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just do <youtube>2S24-y0Ij3Y</youtube> but replace the < with [

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WHEN I SCRAPPED MY KNEE AT THE AGE OF 4...
IT WAS

DRAGONS!

WHEN VERONICA DUMPED ME BEFORE THE 6TH GRADE DANCE...
IT WAS

DRAGONS!

WHEN I GOT DENIED AT TOP CHOICE UNIVERSITY...
IT WAS

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WHEN MY WIFE LEFT AND TOOK THE KIDS...
SHE LEFT ME FOR A

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I'VE HAD ENOUGH
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- Brad

sounds like you've had a pretty awesome life

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V/LA tonight to the 20th

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Can I join

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I think not a dragon self voting was weird. Bad vibes from that.

that was a meme post. it's something Not_Mafia does in every game he plays, including this one

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VOTE: Abby and Rani

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Hey pooky catboi is tr ing you

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Apparently Brad is a cutie

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Catboi why is abbyandrani town

Abomination seems town tbh

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I don't really know if I think they're scum

My problem is the shade on me for doing NMs opening post but they ignored when other people did it

And another reason I forgot that maybe I could remember later

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Oh yeah I thought they were getting overly angry over some things that seemed rather chill I didn't buy it

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I'm lazy what do you want from me

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I'm way behind

Will reread and catchup when I get back home

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You're calling me frozen, I've literally been posting in the game for most of the day phase so far.

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I feel like you taking that shitpost seriously is more likely to come from scum!you because scum tend to think townies are "serious"

Doesn't help that most of that is a fucking insult towards me.

catboi: I disagree with you, it doesn't make me scum. i think the ATE is a bit much and over defensive, i think being prickly could be a scum indicator, so i'm doubling down on my read here.

so i'll ask you again because you failed to answer my question afaik (i don't know i haven't read everything). what makes them town?

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UNVOTE: The Abomination

I unfortunately don't want to vote this anymore

VOTE: Meditation

while we're talkin'

what's with this mediation vote?

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opening thoughts

4maskedwolf:

it is unlikely that the hydra will reduce themselves post-wise, so do you have concrete thoughts on any other slot?

PenguinPower:

similar take to

4mw

but what do you think a wagon will accomplish with a congested slot?

staypositivefriend:

me want something more juicy than

"

abomination's

posts aren't wolfy"

, since majority of their presence has been fluff.

catboi:

the fake read was

SPF's

non-scumread on

abomination

and not the vote on you? also hello again

Abomination:

is there any consensus on any viewpoint within your hydra?

nobody else has given an impression

some of these feel like questions just to ask questions and not serious. especially the one at abomination, you think 13 players are going to have a consensus 7 pages in? doesn't seem likely...

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whats your read on spf so far

slight scumlean, her read on abomination looked like she might have come up with it to have "content" in her opening, a review of abomination's posts to that point showed they were mostly joking/shitposting, which is fun and good but hardly an alignment tell. do think abomination has had towny posts since then though, and since there are so many scum in this setup, having a handful of townreads means everyone else has greater than a coinflip chance of being scum

i disagree with this, i think abomination's jokey posts and stuff can be read for alignment, like, would scum still make that particular joke? what kind of energy is being given off? i don't think it's a bad read by spf just to post content.

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There's like 2 mafia and 3 wolfus right? So five slots are scummy? Why are people only giving like two or three lists?

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@arete - i don't understand why you quoted #44, #67, or #115 as examples of penguin "trying to look like he's doing something", when #44 was a non-game related post, #67 was a filler post, and #115 was a meme post. how do any of those posts give off the impression that penguin is trying to "look' towny or look like he's producing content? the only posts i can grant you as being relevant to your point are #31 and #217, but even those don't feel like they come from the perspective of someone who is trying to project townyness, regardless of their alignment

and the only reason im so hung up on this point is because i feel like your reasoning for having penguin in your scumpool is just kind of ....demonstrably incorrect? it's not the read on penguin itself, just the logic, and i feel like it exemplifies a broader issue of your reads in this game feel like they are being formed too quickly and not proportional to your actual reasoning, which is very unlike the town games ive seen from u in the past

i might be conf biasing/tunneling so ill give you some space but yeah i just dont really like your reads list and think it might be scum indicative

44 I'm pretty sure is referencing Vroendal since I'm not sure why else they would randomly bring up someone who isn't even in the game

67 ...... is, as you say, a filler post. Yes. That is kind of the entire problem here, that they're writing a lot of tangentially game-related filler posts that are just related enough to look like they're doing something, without actually doing anything.

115 would be fine on its own, lots of people meme a bit just as their personality, but in the context of the reset of their posting it feels like a continuation of the same trend, of posts that kind of vaguely surface-level relate to the game (Abomination's PFP in the wagon) but don't actually do anything.

also to be clear it's less about projecting 'towniness' per se and more about projecting 'do-something-ness'

re: the logic, I mean, if you look at the logic I use in normal games and the logic I'm using here, there are going to be some differences, because

normally I look for people who are genuinely solving without TMI

and that's mostly not going to help here -- although even then, my Penguin read

is

based on similar principles to 'normal game logic in not-multiball games' and you're being weirdly defensive of him for no clear reason (you can say you're not trying to but that is in fact the actual effect of what you are doing, so)

What even is your actual read on Penguin, I was sort of hoping I would get it after I pointed out you were being partnery but I guess I didn't explicitly ask for it.

i think this is fine? i don't really see penguin doing much of anything so far and i'm not sure why this take is getting hate

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on page 15 brain is fried will continue my scintillating commentary tomorrow

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I don't really know if I think they're scum

My problem is the shade on me for doing NMs opening post but they ignored when other people did it

And another reason I forgot that maybe I could remember later

Oh yeah I thought they were getting overly angry over some things that seemed rather chill I didn't buy it

Well, you're voting them and not anyone else which would suggest you haven't found a better candidate for scum. I don't find these reasons super compelling. They made one singular mention of you in a post not liking your opener because they didn't know the context, I think that's fairly understandable. SOmeone getting overly angry isn't a scumtell and I don't really believe you believe that. In the particular case of this person it's probably more of a towntell than anything else.

Just feels like you're reaching for reasons here

i don't remember if i responded to this

i've been barely invested in this game since it started shortly before i left for a weekend getaway. me finding something scummy != me being confident in my read, you're trying to attribute something to my read that just isn't there

okay you disagree with me, so what.

i don't think i said it was because they got overly angry, and i don't know why it's a towntell anyway. the ATE seems fake to me, that's what i believe, and why would i be making fake reads in multiball anyway when i could just make real reads if i were scum?

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std is basically floating his read on you feels underdeveloped and the vibe is that he's not really trying to find scum

i feel like you're scumreading me for being on V/LA?

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these reads are all, like, really blatantly fake

why are you looking for fake reads in multiball is it because your reads are fake?

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Hello everyone.

Town list:
SPF
Catboi
Spooky

Abomination is tough because they fall off or they post something I don't like at all and then there's times where 90 posts and I'm a fan of it.

Ydrasse looks... kinda better than Taly? Leaving her alone and waiting to see how she progresses with the game.

Right now my choices to vote would be 4Mask or Meditation.

Everyone else has been incapable of leaving any sort of mark or is unmemorable so far.

- Braaaaaad

Braaaaad, or can I say Mr. Wolf, in what universe has Ydrasse looked better than Taly? I'm asking because Taly at least made a few game relevant posts whereas I've seen nothing of the sort from Ydrasse.

+1 i think taly even though they made game related posts didn't do much of anything and ydrasse has done literally nothing but put up a readslist to this point it some partner equity here

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why don't you answer some of my questions catboi

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town
staypositivefriend
The Abomination
Save The Dragons
PookyTheMagicalBear
Arete Lastname
Meditation

null
catboi
Not_Mafia

scum
4maskwolf
AbbyandRani
Ydrasse
PenguinPower

VOTE: PenguinPower

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is doing nothing towny or scummy

i think it's scummy i think you're actively just floating in the thread doing nothing to make it look like you're playing but you're spending your time memeing

i also didn't like taly's entry so you're suffering from that as well

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I don't really know if I think they're scum

My problem is the shade on me for doing NMs opening post but they ignored when other people did it

And another reason I forgot that maybe I could remember later

Oh yeah

I thought they were getting overly angry over some things that seemed rather chill

I didn't buy it

Well, you're voting them and not anyone else which would suggest you haven't found a better candidate for scum. I don't find these reasons super compelling. They made one singular mention of you in a post not liking your opener because they didn't know the context, I think that's fairly understandable. SOmeone getting overly angry isn't a scumtell and I don't really believe you believe that. In the particular case of this person it's probably more of a towntell than anything else.

Just feels like you're reaching for reasons here

i don't remember if i responded to this

i've been barely invested in this game since it started shortly before i left for a weekend getaway. me finding something scummy != me being confident in my read, you're trying to attribute something to my read that just isn't there

okay you disagree with me, so what.

i don't think i said it was because they got overly angry

, and i don't know why it's a towntell anyway. the ATE seems fake to me, that's what i believe, and why would i be making fake reads in multiball anyway when i could just make real reads if i were scum?

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like, lol

the point, I suppose, is that there's slack in them. "I would make real reads" is a nice excuse, but in reality you just don't care as much about who you're killing because anyone that isn't on your team is beneficial, and the reasoning you've used looks uncharitable and half-thought through, like you found something you want to push on rather than actually thinking through why it makes that person scum

std is basically floating his read on you feels underdeveloped and the vibe is that he's not really trying to find scum

i feel like you're scumreading me for being on V/LA?

You were still posting and what you chose to post was underwhelming

my bad, i guess while i was V/LA i didn't articulate what i meant very well

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what part of my posting makes u think i’m trying to pass off my joking as playing

i think there’s a clear line drawn btwn content and the rest

i mean you're not really playing that much imo up until now

like idk

i look at my reads and they halfway match yours right

so we’re drawing similar conclusions

so do you think that i’m like tmi or sheeping or what

our reads can be similar? it just means we have similar reads. it's multiball, maybe we're both right maybe we're both wrong but saying we have similar reads and acting like they're the same is a little uncharitable

esp bc then i feel like

u should have catboi with me in mafia bc we’re thinking like

similar fmpov with different executions of energy

but you’ve left him there in the middle as a maybe

because it looks like he's trying to solve but he's not answering my questions so i put him in maybe

you don't look like you're trying to solve you're just memeing so i put you in scum

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I'll just claim Penguin is Polarized and I've never misread him in all of my years on this site

is that enough

ragh me quite broke

yeah i don't really care this is kind of a meta read

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on that note, are you just trusting pooky then? no one seems to have asked what polarized penguin looks like

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and if penguin decides to change it up for his return to mafia?

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i don't think i've indicated that i have a problem with your tr of him it seems like you're trying to say my read of him is invalid and i'm telling you why not

not much but i know you are a bit memey so i'll admit it doesn't say too much about you. you'll notice i'm not voting you i'm more interested in penguin or abbyandrani tbh

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i think that abby and rani ignored other people who did the same thing i did to specifically target me for some reason and i think that's scummy

i think that abby and rani have done some ATE that have tugged on catboi's heartstrings but isn't affecting me

they've pinged me as scummy just from a vibes perspective i know that's not really answerable but i can't ignore my gut

i think abby and rani and catboi may have some partner equity but that's not really a great point

4mask hasn't really done anything of note. could be scum hiding/not wanting to post frequently. probably closer to a null read than a scum read but just the vibe i get is scummy

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I think not a dragon self voting was weird. Bad vibes from that.

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so why aren't you sus of N_M?

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my opening was basically a copypasta too, how come yours counts but mine doesn't

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i don't think that's the case at all

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why wouldn't i trust my gut over people who could be lying to me?

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no

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so why aren't you sus of N_M?

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my problem isn't that you think self-voting is scummy

my problem is you accuse me of it but don't seem to feel the same way about N_M when he did it

it's his copypasta/meme i was copying entirely in which he self votes, so i self voted

the fact that you are A) ignoring the fact it's a meme and B) ignoring the fact that he did it to is sus to me

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why are you only calling me out on it

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are you FROZEN and WOOFING in CRYCHAT?

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(that's a joke i don't care about your response time)

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i also feel like ydrasse OMGUS'd me with her vote because i suspected her and i answered all her questions but she hasn't reassessed which makes me go hmm

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my problem is it looks like you have a scumtell and you used it on me but ignored it when other people did it which makes me think it's not real

saying "i didn't notice" seems like a copout

it could be the truth i guess but how do i know that

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how does it affect your read on N_M

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scum
4maskwolf
AbbyandRani
Ydrasse
PenguinPower

why is abby here?

-90

I feel like I've beat this horse to death

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Were you done questioning me?

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like you or me on MS pooky, she's looking for the longest player on site to see what the site was like in the good ol' days

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she's asking about that but on MU

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back in my day games lasts 5 pages

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why wouldn't i trust my gut over people who could be lying to me?

you could always just look at the meta yourself, a point you have actively been ignoring

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i don't remember what this is in reference to

but meta sucks anyway

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VOTE: abbyandrani

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VOTE: catboi

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predictable

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why would someone night kill you

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Anyway my town list is way shorter than Brad

It's pooty, dragon and penguin.

Penguin probs town.

why are people tring penguin?

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the abomination slot townreading the save the dragon slot when they have been howling for well over a dayphase now is proof to me that the abomination slot is not actually trying to solve regardless of their alignment

live look at me rn

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You know what I'm going to shut up since I'm still at work and read everything when everything calms down. This is too much chaos for me

- sk

pooky is going to flood the thread and throw a tantrum to try to get his way in order to drown out any possibility whatsoever of having actual discussion

how do i VOTE: catboi more

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LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS HE IS A TIME TRAVELER.

catboi are you a time traveler? important question

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i think that abby and rani have done some ATE that have tugged on catboi's heartstrings but isn't affecting me

this sentence is kind of awkward I guess

-90

shut up i'm not awkward you're awkward

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I don't know how to tell you this but STD is capable of significantly more than he's shown here and every indication is just that he's scum trying to lay low rather than actually find scum.

why wouldn't i try to find scum even if i were scum considering i'd be looking for the other team

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[quote="In post 1330, catboi"][/quote]

i hope it has a laugh track

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i mean i guess there's a comedy world where i'm misreading STD too

this is what i meant to quote in the above

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Catboi catboi upupupupu

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I wouldn't describe my not playing as not playing

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I do but I scumread you more

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We don't ping here we wait and we like it

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The latter

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are we not doing obv scum catboi

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Hi

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Why does my interaction with ydrasse look sus

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Why does my interaction with ydrasse look sus

you kept calling them scum but you never voted them and you voted people you had higher on your readlist than them over them, including specifically sharing a wagon with them

i thought catboi was scummier and i literally said that

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I'm in this game

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VOTE: Catboi probably a wolf

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no honestly

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give me the tl;dr;

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I genuinely think catboi is a wolf

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trolling would be me saying nice because we're on page 69

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stg this game - pooky and nm having the same pfp and some newbie having the same rl name as me is confusing.

is your rl name staypositivefriend

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saucy

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i am mafia

arete is not

awoooo

VOTE: arete

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i am mafia

arete is not

awoooo

VOTE: arete

no you're not

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

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live look at arete right now



literally like 10 wolves

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i am hard ccing i've been sucking this game

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you'll notice i actively avoided bussing ydrasse

so much so that arete themselves thought i was partnered with ydrasse:

I think that your interactions with Ydrasse are the partneriest of anyone

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arete rn

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Ydrasse (6): Arete Lastname, staypositivefriend, AbbyandRani, catboi, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia HAMMERED

you'll notice i'm not on this list

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i'll answer if pooky wants me to

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Ydrasse (6): Arete Lastname, staypositivefriend, AbbyandRani, catboi, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia HAMMERED

you'll notice i'm not on this list

okay but serious question though did you actually think she was town because seriously, how

i will answer with a post of yours

Why does my interaction with ydrasse look sus

you kept calling them scum but you never voted them and you voted people you had higher on your readlist than them over them, including specifically sharing a wagon with them

i didn't know sucking at mafia would come in handy but who knew

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arete, pretending to be mafia

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Fenrir what do ydra's posts in the mafia pt actually say?

she said something about taking the slot as her intro

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i sure don't as a wolf

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you are trying so hard and i'm just chillin'

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i wrote a song

it's called

Arete is a Wolf

Arete is a wolf
Arete has a lastname
Arete is a wolf
Yeet them from the game
Arete is a wolf
Arete is a liar
Arete is a wolf
Yeet their slot with fire!

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