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Howdy Reading now.
I am so glad to be town for once.
To that end kinda wanna see where everyone’s head’s at:
Meg: Long time no see. Who is your top town and scum read?
Mala: Is this it? The fabled game where we are both town and alive?
Roden: What are your vibes of the game so far?
Elements: Don’t know you that well. What’s your favorite thing about the game so far?
Campbell: Looks like your a strategy guy. Do you have a plan now or more just thinking mechanics?
Gamma: Nice work in the theme game. Gonna see if you have similar vibes. Any strong reads/feels?
NK15: Got any spicy thoughts? Usually you are good but tend to be drowned out so hope you see this and drop a spicy thought or read.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Elements and NK15 probably contains at least one scum.In post 20, Elements wrote:
oooooIn post 19, MegAzumarill wrote:Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture
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This feels fake.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You can have a light TRIn post 25, Roden wrote:
Why the unvote?In post 20, Elements wrote:
oooooIn post 19, MegAzumarill wrote:Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture
UNVOTE:ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am of the opposite opinion imho.In post 28, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.
My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.
I think aim for any cult is fine. If we get CL awesome but if we get a generic cult we can use that to aim for CL.
But if we aim for CL and hit town then we are kinda in trouble.
Once we have a foothold then narrow in.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because I got a sense of Drapion from the last few posts is that Drapion has some strong opinions re Gamma based on Meg’s posting.In post 176, Roden wrote:Oh sweet, I can actually read Math
Vibe of the game so far was that your slot wasn't doing much and seemed frozen. I scum read Drapion independently of Hutmeil, but I read Hutmeil's inaction as scummier. Meg, Elements, and Gamma all seem pretty townie, not sure on Mala and Fred yet. NK15 is a player that I'm waiting for a meta tell before I settle on a read there.
Why no question/comment for Drapion?
Drapion is one of those people who will speak enough.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And lol if you can read me I would be thrilled but the more often someone says that the more often someone is wrong about it or scum. So kinda going to see if you read me right.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I kinda think maybe Meg (if Elements is scum) as a good CL or Drapion. If Elements is town.In post 54, Roden wrote:I agree with the early read on Elements, CL probably just does their best to fade into the background D1.
I think certain players play scum and therefore different.
Still catching up but I don’t get Meg’s posting re elementsScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Spicy I like this
You can have a TR if Meg is scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Requesting this.In post 65, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
and will be produced upon request after a certain period of time has passed.In post 64, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I mind explaining that. Explanation will be typed up in a .txt file.
VOTE: MegScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nah I think Gamma’s town.In post 73, ProfessorDrapion wrote:In post 72, Roden wrote:Fred looks like he's having fun, probably town just because he's staying active while not making a big deal out of the slow game activity
Drapion, do you think Gamma is the CL? Or is it just a general scum read?
More of a general wolf read. Could be CL could be other Cult.In post 72, Roden wrote:Fred looks like he's having fun, probably town just because he's staying active while not making a big deal out of the slow game activity
Drapion, do you think Gamma is the CL? Or is it just a general scum read?
He was also the first player to cast suspicion and I don’t really like how he did it with the vote and saying that elements vote was bad.
Then later says it’s also a vibe read.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I can definitely see Cult not wanting to be on me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This reads informed Drapion is town.In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.
I think it’s NAIScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This Unvote feels fake.In post 171, MathBlade wrote:
You can have a light TRIn post 25, Roden wrote:
Why the unvote?In post 20, Elements wrote:
oooooIn post 19, MegAzumarill wrote:Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture
UNVOTE:
Everyone knows it’s RVS and people vote for dumb crap.
Then people start to get reasons for reads.
Unvoting for a crap reason feels artificialScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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.. I very much don’t like this.In post 29, MegAzumarill wrote:
As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.In post 27, Not Known 15 wrote:
The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.In post 24, Roden wrote:That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.
Very unstable positioning today.
Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.
Instead we need positivity.
We have some of the best town hunters in the game.
So I think we can hit scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You’re more than welcome to join the Drapion wagon btw.In post 176, Roden wrote:Oh sweet, I can actually read Math
Vibe of the game so far was that your slot wasn't doing much and seemed frozen. I scum read Drapion independently of Hutmeil, but I read Hutmeil's inaction as scummier. Meg, Elements, and Gamma all seem pretty townie, not sure on Mala and Fred yet. NK15 is a player that I'm waiting for a meta tell before I settle on a read there.
Why no question/comment for Drapion?
I don’t SR Drapion but could be wrong.
The wagon seems pretty Townie.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This readwall also feels fake because NK 15 has 6 postsIn post 115, hutmeil wrote:
Why am I below the line?In post 109, Elements wrote:Above The Line
Roden
ProfessorDrapion
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Fredrick A Campbell
MegAzumarill
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Gamma Emerald
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Below The Line
Where as my predecessor had 5 but my slot is inactive and therefore scum?
Doesn’t compute.
I think Elements is the most likely scum on my wagon.
Meg and Elements are kinda together for me and I would do either.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s subtle. “suddenly 5:3 nightless” it’s like pink elephantIn post 191, MegAzumarill wrote:
Do you disagree with the notion we must be more proactive today for discussion as opposed to a normal mafia game? Do you disagree with my setup analysis here? I don't see how this is possibly fearmongering or even what end it would acheive if it was.In post 188, MathBlade wrote:
.. I very much don’t like this.In post 29, MegAzumarill wrote:
As opposed to not killing Cult today and its suddenly 5:3 nightless with a big asterix next to the clears.In post 27, Not Known 15 wrote:
The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.In post 24, Roden wrote:That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.
Very unstable positioning today.
Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.
Instead we need positivity.
We have some of the best town hunters in the game.
So I think we can hit scum.
You just thought of a pink elephant.
It’s the same shit I do.
If I like or hate a game day and it’s gone on a while I will say “Days been going on a while” then everyone becomes lethargic. It’s poisoning a well.
Here you’ve poisoned the well that we will be in a 5:3 nightless when there’s no foundation for such a fear.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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First post is pretty straightforwardIn post 192, MegAzumarill wrote:In post 185, MathBlade wrote:
This reads informed Drapion is town.In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.
I think it’s NAIThese also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.
Overall this feel really contrived
Gamma’s push on Drapion (and some Roden but mostly Gamma) is about word choice.
I was providing a counter example.
I think it’s NAI
But I don’t scumread anyone on the wagon so I am not like OMG no
The latter is simple
I am a top wagon
Tons of people are inactive yet random dogpile indicates scum
Second vote is usually scum and I already scumread ElementsScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then don’t try. Just be.In post 194, MegAzumarill wrote:Well the point is to avoid that through being more proactive today? I'm trying to be and I feel that's the logical next step to take with that information. "Mislims are more impactful today" It's the same reason people consider things more in depth in ELO situations.
It feels like it would have the opposite effect than you described, and that was my point
Sure we could end up with all town elims and lose but now people are thinking about it.
There’s no reason to be negative right now.
I think people do consider stuff more in-depth in elo
Right now is about social reads though not mechanical ones.
Trying to force continuous elo is sketchy for no good reason.
If we have an elo situation then it can be addressedScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Drapion does look noncommittal (agreeing/egging Gamma on)In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
But I don’t think you’d expect town here to be completely committed
It’s a cognitive dissonance.
If you think he’s scum then you’d just vote Drapion.
But instead you agree and say he’s town for no good reason or say you don’t expect him to be town and don’t vote him
But “not a fan”
It’s hard to tell if you made a grammar issue and meant to say you think Drapion is town (how I took it)
Or you continue to think Drap is scum but then random not a fan and no action
It’s just feels like you know Drapion is town with the inaction.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why?In post 200, MegAzumarill wrote:Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town
Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK here
What motivation is there?
I am not asking people to vote me.
I already pointed out that you’re too chicken shit to do so.
This says some points are “easy”.
Are they “easy” or confusing?
I don’t have any preflips in my arguments.
I have reads. The closest thing you could say to preflip is if Elements is scum and if elements is town then etc.
That’s just SvT/TVS things people do.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not asking people to not vote for me*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then my point remainsIn post 202, MegAzumarill wrote:
I'm saying in general it's a scummy thing but in this situation it would be reasonable for town to do it? If both alignments would do it it's by definition NAI. The "not a fan" is saying that I don't townread them for it.In post 199, MathBlade wrote:
Drapion does look noncommittal (agreeing/egging Gamma on)In post 103, MegAzumarill wrote:Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it
But I don’t think you’d expect town here to be completely committed
It’s a cognitive dissonance.
If you think he’s scum then you’d just vote Drapion.
But instead you agree and say he’s town for no good reason or say you don’t expect him to be town and don’t vote him
But “not a fan”
It’s hard to tell if you made a grammar issue and meant to say you think Drapion is town (how I took it)
Or you continue to think Drap is scum but then random not a fan and no action
It’s just feels like you know Drapion is town with the inaction.
You seem to be egging Gamma on.
There’s no reason to agree then deflectScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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180 is how I form reads
Scum rarely if ever do relational reads or feel where the vibes are
So I make hypothesis and test them
You have yet to give me a reason why my gut relational read is wrong
You aren’t voting who you scumread and your posts ping me
The entire case on me is predecessor was inactive
I have stuff now to be evaluated on.
If anyone still scumreads me then go for it but you not voting me is damningScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am not insisting on you being voted.In post 209, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Like Math why are you trying to insist on me being voted.
Roden has also shown sus on me.
I mean I kinda get what your saying that Meg hasn’t really made it clear on their read towards me. (Even though I’m pretty sure they wolf read me) but saying “oh you should have voted this” is just bad it seems like your trying to get others to vote on me without stating a wolf read on me so you don’t look bad when I go over and to help out your partner Gamma who’s currently pushing me and is top wagon.
To the contrary, I think you’re town.
I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.
I am trying to coordinate with Roden. I don’t think you’re scum yet the wagon doesn’t seem bad.
If you are town then my prior assumptions of the gamestate are wrong.
So either way is protown.
I’d rather we do Meg or Elements but you’re not bad strictly speaking.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Gamma’s posts were almost word for word what I was thinking when I read in real time.In post 208, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Not sure why you TR Gamma.
Not sure If I like or hate Math so far.
I mean I’ve liked Meg so far and Math’s slot was kinda null with the “town!meta” read from Gamma.
I think Gamma/Math might be the team. Not sure which one is the CL though.
I am town therefore Gamma is probably town.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am not insisting on you being voted.In post 209, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Like Math why are you trying to insist on me being voted.
Roden has also shown sus on me.
I mean I kinda get what your saying that Meg hasn’t really made it clear on their read towards me. (Even though I’m pretty sure they wolf read me) but saying “oh you should have voted this” is just bad it seems like your trying to get others to vote on me without stating a wolf read on me so you don’t look bad when I go over and to help out your partner Gamma who’s currently pushing me and is top wagon.
To the contrary, I think you’re town.
I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.
I am trying to coordinate with Roden. I don’t think you’re scum yet the wagon doesn’t seem bad.
If you arent town then my prior assumptions of the gamestate are wrong.
So either way is protown.
I’d rather we do Meg or Elements but you’re not bad strictly speaking.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Think a momentIn post 217, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
It does make sense.In post 213, Roden wrote:VOTE: Drapion
Last few posts just look like an intimidation tactic. Warning someone that you'll vote them if they do a certain thing doesn't really make any sense from a town perspective. Why let your suspect know how to avoid getting scum read if you actually think they're scum?
To me if they do it they would be an obvious wolf or very likely.
“Avoid getting scum read” “think they are scum” if it’s the same thing how is it being avoided?
And I don’t entirely scum read Math I just think they can be aligned with Gamma here and is making some kind of wolf play.
Idk, if this is your only reasoning that you have now decided to of voted me can you tell me what prevented you before? Was it just that you thought Math was more wolfier like I think you mentioned before or was there something else with it like something in regards to my posts.
You’re assuming I would be an obvious wolf.
There’s almost no evidence of that (except the very rare game where I have made a mistake).
It’s more likely that I could be town and wrong on Gamma (I don’t think so).
I have gone obvTown as the big bad in 42 player games.
I am very good at monitoring associations as scum.
If you think you’ve seriously paired me with Gamma you really need to check yourself.
I know for a fact 1/2 of that is false. I just got done with a game of Gamma town and I see no differenceScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Hell you could even assume I am scum and Gamma town
But both of us together is an illogical assumption.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And I just explained why it doesn’tIn post 220, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Why?In post 219, MathBlade wrote:Hell you could even assume I am scum and Gamma town
But both of us together is an illogical assumption.
I already explained how it makes sense.
You said it’s “an obvious play” which is devoid of explanation.
I countered that with many examples why there is never anything obvious about what I do when scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You’re arguing what you’d do as scum and then applying it out versus who is scum.
I don’t judge others by if they play as scum me
I judge them if they aren’t being Townie.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It is simply a meta read yes.In post 222, ProfessorDrapion wrote:There doesn’t need to be blatant evidence you two are aligned, you can look at partner associations simply based on actions.
The way you have chosen to go about the thread was to me a way to get players to vote me without wanting to start a scum read on me yourself cause Gamma already has put one on me.
Remind me Math, why do you town read me again?
Meta read or?
Your first sentence is contradictory. Partner associations is evidence.
I haven’t chosen to get them to vote you because of you. I have chosen them because two fold
1) Cooperating with townreads
And
2) Making scum commit to something.
The fact it is you is of no consequence.
If Gamma and you were swapped I would make the same.
It’s purely a strategic notion.
I TR your wagon. Ergo if I am wrong then letting it go through is fine as it’s just a weak meta TR. I could be wrong. It’s not as strong as my Gamma TR but I have known Gamma a long time.
I find it much more valuable to attract attention and force players like Meg and Elements to vote
And those that vote me explain their read with more than inactive.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What scum would do is what you scum would do. It’s the same thing.In post 224, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
No I’m applying what scum do and where scum is and how you have approached this game so far has good partner equity with Gamma if they are cult, which I believe they are.In post 223, MathBlade wrote:You’re arguing what you’d do as scum and then applying it out versus who is scum.
I don’t judge others by if they play as scum me
I judge them if they aren’t being Townie.
“Townie” to me is someone who I don’t see any wolf motivation from and is looking like an obvious execution that wolves want, and other similar stuff in this regard.
Doesn’t matter how much you post or how good you sound, it doesn’t tell us anything about alignment.
There is key details to determining someone’s alignment.
And no. It’s horrible equity. Let’s grant your premise. Assume it’s true. I have a hard defense of Gamma. I almost never do defense as scum. It’s a waste. As scum it’s a game of control, manipulating people into doing your bidding. Wasting precious capital on defense is horrible. I will link you a prior scum game where I explain this and iirc it was with Gamma I think.
I agree it’s not how someone sounds it’s in the substance
You’re assuming scum play one way.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is my scumread to Gamma which I refer.
I would suggest you give it a look before making bad assumptions about us being teamed.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not sure I follow.In post 229, ProfessorDrapion wrote:You think my wolf read on Gamma was something before?
Damn if Gamma keeps going and I’m 1-shot away from death row, he’s going to be so obvious wolf tomorrow that everyone will see it.
My meta TR on you is weak. I only have seen you be this strong when iirc you were town but incorrect. It matches my read of Gamma.
I see no reason or evidence you’re right. I don’t see any actual argument to rebutt so nothing to change.
What is valuable is if you’re town as I think you are getting you in the proper headspace to read me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s quite possible I am mixing players so I am going to try to find that game.
They all start to blur after a while.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yet you don’t try to get NK15 elimmedIn post 232, MegAzumarill wrote:(Mathblade)
I want Meg to vote for someone who she scumreads which she hasn’t.
watIn post 138, MegAzumarill wrote:I think Gamma is town. This reads as solving much more than aggressive scum to me here.
I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.In post 172, MegAzumarill wrote:
Elements I think is town. I've been either a fan of their posts so far or feel like they are +town.In post 169, MathBlade wrote:Howdy Reading now.
I am so glad to be town for once.
To that end kinda wanna see where everyone’s head’s at:
Meg: Long time no see. Who is your top town and scum read?
Mala: Is this it? The fabled game where we are both town and alive?
Roden: What are your vibes of the game so far?
Elements: Don’t know you that well. What’s your favorite thing about the game so far?
Campbell: Looks like your a strategy guy. Do you have a plan now or more just thinking mechanics?
Gamma: Nice work in the theme game. Gonna see if you have similar vibes. Any strong reads/feels?
NK15: Got any spicy thoughts? Usually you are good but tend to be drowned out so hope you see this and drop a spicy thought or read.
Biggest scumread is NK15 for the reasons I have mentioned.In post 175, catboi wrote:
You’re proving my pointScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then make them.In post 236, MegAzumarill wrote:I'm still waiting on their response to my orignal push on them. Or frankly most people haven't responded to the push yet.
I don't see the value in trying to get them elimmed this moment as compared to after a response
Instead you’re content on me or Drapion wagons which if you’re right on NK15 one has to be wrong.
You’re way too passiveScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That’s what town tries to do!In post 237, MegAzumarill wrote:Unless you're asking me to blindy try and cause an elim whenever I have a scumread which I have problems with
Elim scum.
They sure as hell don’t go
“X is scum”
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It's just coincidence.In post 241, MegAzumarill wrote:
How many posta has nk15 made since i posted thay push?In post 238, MathBlade wrote:
Then make them.In post 236, MegAzumarill wrote:I'm still waiting on their response to my orignal push on them. Or frankly most people haven't responded to the push yet.
I don't see the value in trying to get them elimmed this moment as compared to after a response
Instead you’re content on me or Drapion wagons which if you’re right on NK15 one has to be wrong.
You’re way too passive
My count is 0
WTF else do you want? That's like the last thing that happened before you showed up
You're more than willing to attack my slot. Not vote it despite the same activity level (before I joined)
Yet lurk it out on NK15.
Yes literally you have a vote on an outdated scumread.
I expect town you to rally people to NK 15 or abandon it for a better scumread. You do neither.
I do not think you're town and just want to fence sitScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.
This is not enough to avoid the content in the thread. What do you think of Drapion? of Gamma? of me?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I can't find the thread. I know we've played together and you were a tunneler. It's annoying me. It was a game where I was town you were town and Titus was scum and it's infuriating me. I was right on Galron being scum.In post 233, MathBlade wrote:It’s quite possible I am mixing players so I am going to try to find that game.
They all start to blur after a while.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I'm getting too angry so I'm going to step away a bit but Meg IMHO is very clearly scum here who doesn't want to put herself with any solid read anywhere.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I didn’t? I copy pasted your post word for word?In post 247, MegAzumarill wrote:
You literally edited out the part of my post that answered your question of gammaMathBlade wrote:I think there's a decent chance of scum in Roden/ Not Known. I don't like the way they handeled Gamma's push on Drapion. It felt like trying to stay off the wagon yet fuel it (implication is that Drapion is scum for playing differently than a town game) in Roden's case. In Not Known's case they seem to be on the wagon and supporting it but backing away from being a major voice there or elsewhere.
This is not enough to avoid the content in the thread. What do you think of Drapion? of Gamma? of me?
There’s nothing there. Even in the quote you did. You don’t like a reaction to Gamma’s push on Drapion. None of that paragraph is an opinion on anyone.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nope Roden moved.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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??? I need to step away. Because now you’re voting me and don’t want me on L-1?
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Why do you say this?In post 259, Not Known 15 wrote:Math, even if elements is town and Meg is scum then Meg is likely partnered with Drapion as CL.
If what you say is true I am voting the most likely scum.
I am not going to shot in the dark for a leader. I am going to aim for scum and if they happen to be CL fine.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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?? Charisma fueled wagon ??
1) I think I am the only person voting you. So no wagon.
2) Every wagon on D1 is charisma based. There’s no day actions to change that. So saying it’s “just Charisma” is duh.
3) The only point you have that’s anywhere close to valid is misrep where I made some literal mistakes but the spirit is still there. You’re hunting for minutia versus the spirit of the words.
You’re not actively campaigning for who you want dead. Content to sideline.
You pinged me and I explained why.
Your defense of Elements was bad. Elements whatever their alignment clearly has a bad reaction. You said it was good with nothing to back that up. I keep bringing up bad reactions and you argue tiny points over substance.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Same reason you don’t aim to win the lottery just improve.In post 271, Not Known 15 wrote:
Why not? Day 1 CL is sooo much better than Day 2 CL.Very likely even an instant win.In post 269, MathBlade wrote:I am not going to shot in the dark for a leader. I am going to aim for scum and if they happen to be CL fine.
Yes D1 CL is great. But continually aiming for it denies relationships and other information.
Aiming for anyone who is cult which by definition includes the CL is better as we either maintain or improve our status. If we hit town then we know our foundations for evil are wrong and reset.
Whereas if we aim for CL and hit town we don’t learn anything.
So to me it’s always better to just filter between cult and not.
Later on when we have a few flips then aim specifically for CL with evidence.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This Unvote for starters.In post 171, MathBlade wrote:
You can have a light TRIn post 25, Roden wrote:
Why the unvote?In post 20, Elements wrote:
oooooIn post 19, MegAzumarill wrote:Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture
UNVOTE:
As I already explained I don’t think that’s a Townie Unvote.
This feels very “let’s have some interactions” between you and MegScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I mean I have done “This is dumb and yelled about it for 400 pages” the only thing that does is make people more likely to elim you.
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Don’t have one yet.In post 285, Gamma Emerald wrote:What is your read on Mala, Math?
She’s too quiet for my liking but she has done that as both alignments.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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?? I am voting Meg.In post 287, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You may wish to change votes if you mean thisIn post 159, Malakittens wrote:
Hot take: I think you are town tooIn post 149, Gamma Emerald wrote:I do think roden is town tho
Why would Mala agreeing with me on you and Roden being town impact that?
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Wait a minute why is Mala voting you?
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I am E-1 and VT.
Still think Elements and Meg are cult. Maybe Mala but her needing a prod is NAI since her EMT work gets busy sometimes.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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MegAzumarill — Very likely scum
Malakittens — NAI inactivity
Roden - town
Me — ice cream lover
Elements - very likely scum
ProfessorDrapion - town
Fredrick A Campbell - town
Gamma Emerald - town
Not Known 15 - town lean
Final reads
VOTE: elements
Elements vote on me makes me think elements is not CL as elements will get focus when I flip green.
I don’t get how Drapion thinks Elements is town. If I am wrong on Meg reconsider Drapion TR
Good luck as I will be busy today.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I kinda think voting for survival is the wrong play. I could vote Drapion in the case I am wrong on Meg but kinda hedging my bets here.
I think my flip is way more helpful for the gamestate as the only reason that has been brought up is inactivity (now false) and being confusing (standard me) so *shrug*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is incorrect.In post 331, MegAzumarill wrote:CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI
If I was cult leader and thought I was going down I would know a limited space of which setups would exist and then claim a PR of that. Then by other players reactions I would know where the PRs were and would guide my team accordingly, I mean I am not CL so the point is null and void, but if I was CL I would know I would be on borrowed time so I would be claiming a PR of some kind.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Like I said I am a VT. Since I am not a PR my flip isn’t the be all end all and it’s more important my TRs communicate and collaborate with each other.In post 335, Roden wrote:
Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.In post 331, MegAzumarill wrote:CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI
Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.
If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.
Right now that seems to be happening and a town block can form. If Drapion (or whoever my town block picks) flips town then either A) People see my reads as true or B) scum in my TRs or both
If Drapion flips scum then my reads are wrong
I am forceful when I feel things will be bad if I don’t get my way
I don’t feel that here whether we elim me or someone else.
I wish we would elim Meg or Elements but like I said town block more important especially if we don’t hit CL so we can look for changes in playersScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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