Open 865 | CultD3 | Postgame

[MegAzumarill]

ISOing drapion looks so much different than in context.
Like it looks like a tunnelled townie until you realize, that's all there is. Basically nothing that doesn't recur to Gamma and the whole ISO is surface level.

It also strikes me as pandered toward me in a way. Following along with my mathblade push when I had been fairly vocal about being neutral overall on drapion. Strikes as trying to win me over almost. Additionally I don't really thinks his Mathblade vote makes sense from a Town!Pov if he really scumreads gamma that much. I don't really buy this as a solve.

I'll suspend some disbelief here on town!Math for now and VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

Roden has your read's reasonings on Drapion shifted significantly since the start of the wagon?

I think he's just looking worse as the game goes on. He keeps trying to scare people into doing what he wants and talking in a way that's giving tips to the cult in how they should play tonight.

I mean if mathblade does indeed flip CL i would say you'd look aligned but that's not really what they are saying I guess.

[MathBlade]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

This is incorrect.

If I was cult leader and thought I was going down I would know a limited space of which setups would exist and then claim a PR of that. Then by other players reactions I would know where the PRs were and would guide my team accordingly, I mean I am not CL so the point is null and void, but if I was CL I would know I would be on borrowed time so I would be claiming a PR of some kind.

[MegAzumarill]

If you get CCed as CL your faction loses?

[MathBlade]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.

Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.

If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.

Like I said I am a VT. Since I am not a PR my flip isn’t the be all end all and it’s more important my TRs communicate and collaborate with each other.

Right now that seems to be happening and a town block can form. If Drapion (or whoever my town block picks) flips town then either A) People see my reads as true or B) scum in my TRs or both

If Drapion flips scum then my reads are wrong

I am forceful when I feel things will be bad if I don’t get my way

I don’t feel that here whether we elim me or someone else.

I wish we would elim Meg or Elements but like I said town block more important especially if we don’t hit CL so we can look for changes in players

[MathBlade]

If you get CCed as CL your faction loses?

No.

I have a track record of winning “unwinnable” games.

Hitting big scum D1 has lead to lots of town losses before because town eats itself alive as scum watch idly by.

Being wagoned D1 almost inevitably leads to a short shelf life regardless of alignment.

Thinking something is “auto loss” is shortsighted.

As either alignment I am planning days and days ahead.

[MegAzumarill]

No but literally its nightless with more clears than mafia 7/9 times

[MegAzumarill]

8/9 chance of losing unless a confirmed townie is eliminated.

Like literally massclaim day 2 on a day 1 CL flip is GG

[MathBlade]

No but literally its nightless with more clears than mafia 7/9 times

“Clears” have workarounds.

I really wish you’d have seen a game where I am good scum.

I don’t want to detail this because it would give advice to you and I think you’re scum.

I don’t think hitting CL is as big a jackpot as represented, but I think people don’t play scum the way I do.

[MegAzumarill]

This setup is open right?

Wtf do you expect to do

In genuinely curious

[MegAzumarill]

What would a lone cultist have to do in day 2 massclaim to win

[MegAzumarill]

Assume a setup that isnt C2

[MathBlade]

8/9 chance of losing unless a confirmed townie is eliminated.

Like literally massclaim day 2 on a day 1 CL flip is GG

Fine.

Let’s pretend.

Assume mass claim d2.

Best case for town is three clears. Scum doesn’t claim PR. This is autoloss.

Worst case scum claims PR. Then no clears and have to elim in the PRs giving room for breath.

Like stop pushing this

You won’t convince me of that.

[MathBlade]

Quite honestly I would make a slight tweak to the setup if CL is elimmed d1, remaining cult becomes cult leader otherwise no backup.

But what is your goal here? Does this help you read me going into this mechanic reads?

It’s just bloat

[MegAzumarill]

8/9 chance of losing unless a confirmed townie is eliminated.

Like literally massclaim day 2 on a day 1 CL flip is GG

Fine.

Let’s pretend.

Assume mass claim d2.

Best case for town is three clears. Scum doesn’t claim PR. This is autoloss.

Worst case scum claims PR. Then no clears and have to elim in the PRs giving room for breath.

Like stop pushing this

You won’t convince me of that.

There is at most 3 PR claims, and if there is three every VT is clear.

If there is 2, and one is Cop they check the other one after 1 VT claim lim, giving two clears or a game win.

If there is 1 PR claim then they are clear and either a JK or a cop, if JK scum *can win, but as cop they create more clears.

[MathBlade]

Quite honestly I would make a slight tweak to the setup if CL is elimmed d1, remaining cult becomes cult leader otherwise no backup.

But what is your goal here? Does this help you read me going into this mechanic reads?

It’s just bloat

And max cult size 2 not 3 to create an actual punishment for scum

But yeah I don’t see the point

I have won a lot of of oh shit games.

You can argue it’s some “omg we win” and strive for it.

I just don’t think it’s the “be all end all” that it’s pushed to be

[MegAzumarill]

Quite honestly I would make a slight tweak to the setup if CL is elimmed d1, remaining cult becomes cult leader otherwise no backup.

But what is your goal here? Does this help you read me going into this mechanic reads?

It’s just bloat

If you want to make an argument you claim a PR as CL that just isn't valid, then I will deconstruct it

[MathBlade]

Quite honestly I would make a slight tweak to the setup if CL is elimmed d1, remaining cult becomes cult leader otherwise no backup.

But what is your goal here? Does this help you read me going into this mechanic reads?

It’s just bloat

If you want to make an argument you claim a PR as CL that just isn't valid, then I will deconstruct it

You’re missing the NKs?

Recruit and NKs?

[MathBlade]

Like N1 if I was cult would be recruit
Other PR multitask their thing and kill if applicable

Next day is 7 alive 3 cult elo

[MegAzumarill]

We aren't playing Cultafia.

If CL dies no recruit, straight up no nk

[MathBlade]

We aren't playing Cultafia.

If CL dies no recruit, straight up no nk

Where do you get no nightkill from?

Rules don’t say no NK?

[MegAzumarill]

I read the role PMs in the setup post

[MegAzumarill]

In what world is this setup balanced with recruit + nightkill

[MathBlade]

In what world is this setup balanced with recruit + nightkill

Re role PMs they almost never say factionals

I figured recruit plus NK is balanced with the TPRs and no defense

But lemme ask catboi if cult have NKs

If they don’t that drastically changes my opinion on some things

Btw if they don’t have a NK you’re now a TR

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like the CL just needs to recruit one player and the cult actually has a really good chance of winning this, even if the CL gets voted out the next day.

Great if Math doesn’t get executed today and gets executed tomorrow and flips CL, I’m going for you after Gamma cause this post screams “Convert Me” in Math’s view.

???

What?

This basically says that you think I'm town and that you're letting the cult know they don't have to recruit me because you'll vote me anyway.

I mean out of my voters I think you are the town yeah.
It’s just my most confident town read is Elements.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Gee now Meg votes me.


Damn Math and Gamma must be having a laugh in wolf chat cause their gambit worked.
Although Gamma isn’t voting me currently they took their vote off to pressure a likely Townie.

Pretty sure Gamma!Wolf also spews Fredrick town as well.
So information wise we have 2 confirmed towns of Fredrick and Elements although TBF nothing can be confirmed cause conversion.