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The cult cannot afford to lose the CL today at all; it is a win in 7 of all 9 setups and a de facto 7:1 Nightless with 1 IC in the JK setups without FN. That's definitely something to look for.In post 24, Roden wrote:That would only be true if we mis-elim today. On the other hand, if we kill the Leader today then town gets like, five more chances to kill the second cultist. So it's a bit swingy.-
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Or purposely doesn't do that to avoid being limmed. Not a reliable reasoning.In post 54, Roden wrote:I agree with the early read on Elements, CL probably just does their best to fade into the background D1.-
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What, really? Ok... it's probably elements and cult leader Drapion then, the hedging is really obvious.In post 126, Elements wrote:I fully disagree with your thoughts on Drapion. I don't think they're hedging anything.-
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And this is another post that points to drapion being wolf.In post 226, ProfessorDrapion wrote:If you think I’m wolf you need to find those key details and push me.
If you think I’m town you need to find those key details and defend me.
^ (this is to everyone)
I find it unlikely that Drapion would make this post as town. This is the "give me reasons" of a wolf, very elaborate, constructed...-
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Who?In post 266, MegAzumarill wrote:It's a clear case of constantly moving the goalposts to justify his reads and thoughts when challenged. It's a clear sign of not having genuine desire to solve.
He spreads explicitly wrong information and tries to manipulate the information in the game, doubling down by obfuscation when pressed.
I can see how you may not see it now, heck took me a while to realize exactly what was irking me about it. Reread the interaction with that in mind, it's purely a charisma fueled wagon.-
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Why not? Day 1 CL is sooo much better than Day 2 CL.Very likely even an instant win.In post 269, MathBlade wrote:I am not going to shot in the dark for a leader. I am going to aim for scum and if they happen to be CL fine.-
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But the Cult leader will not play like a normal cult member. And Drapion checks a lot of boxes there with the early play and meg's hedging on Drapion, elements terrible reactions to my drapion hedging early case and the follow up read, and, actually, your own reluctance to vote Drapion after what you said, they all point in the same direction. Unless there is no cult in Elements/MegAzumarill/MathBlade then Drapion is Cult, and if Drapion is Cult then very likely Cult Leader. And yes, on day 1 you actually should CL hunt; just a 50%chance of someone being Cult leader and 50% of being town Day 1 is a far superior option to someone with 33% chance of being CL/other cult/town.-
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In post 280, Elements wrote:can someone tell me what this bad reaction was?
No questions, no real pushback, just this. Doesn't look like town hunting scum. Looks more like scum trying to thwart further discussion by calling my line of reasoning ridiculous, indirectly.In post 130, Elements wrote:Sure thing my dude-
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Not entirely. I have seen other suspicious happenings (Meg and Math); but Drapion is very likely Cult Leader.In post 300, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Not Known 15, how sure are you that Elements is mafia?
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Well, why not?In post 303, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I don't think Drapion's early game really suggests 伊 is cult leader.-
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And? That was obviously not very confident(apart from them being the only one to not vote in the first post there was no evidence).In post 383, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:VOTE: Not Known 15
Upon looking at Not Known 15's ISO, Not Known 15 called ProfessorDrapion cult leader in his first post. And what did ProfessorDrapion post before that? One post, post 5. Since then, Not Known 15 has continued to call ProfessorDrapion cult leader.
Yet Drapion indeed showed many more signs of being Cult Leader later on.... so why should I have dropped it?-
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Being afraid of voting and taking a stance.In post 386, Elements wrote:What's cult leadery about not voting in your first post?-
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Yes, and now I should townread you for changing your play like that after I already pushed you for hedging?In post 393, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
I did take a stance.In post 391, Not Known 15 wrote:
Being afraid of voting and taking a stance.In post 386, Elements wrote:What's cult leadery about not voting in your first post?
On Gamma.
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VOTE: MegAzumarillIn post 458, Elements wrote:Are they CL? My thoughts
MegAzumarill - Interesting. I started off thinking there was no way Meg could be CL but looking through their iso there are a lot of times Meg has said what Drapion is doing is scummy and that they're not town reading Drapion for it but never putting a read into words. Then later when getting to the end of the day phase with so much pressure still on Drapion, flipping to scumming Drapion.
Malakittens - idk. Could be CL trying to just survive the first 1 or 2 days? Could also just be town. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter.
Roden - I don't think was scum on day 1. I do think this could have been the recruit slot last night.
MathBlade - Not CL
Fredrick A Campbell - Little to no interaction with Drapion. Calls Drapion town in 296 then says fre doesn't think Drapion's early game is alignment indicative in 305. Neither Drapion or Campbell interacted with each other at all on day one but both called the other one town. At this point this is my best bet for CL
Gamma Emerald - Not CL
Not Known 15 - Pushed Drapion all day 1.
VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell
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Can you explain that "bad vibe" a bit more?In post 479, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.-
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We all can say with confidence that Mathblade isn't CL.
So Mathblade was Town Day 1.
This is " I think X but". We saw this on Drapion, who flipped Cult.In post 423, MathBlade wrote:I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.
I kinda want to see how people open.
Yeah no. That assessment is actually made out of thin air. All rests on the unsubstantiated "Drapion is one of those too honest scum"; and even if it was honest it might have been something Drapion wanted toIn post 462, MathBlade wrote:
This read way too honest for me. This reads to me like Drapion had a plan to be TR’d early and Drapion is one of those too honest scum that doesn’t know yet how to highlight which points of scum to highlight and which not. This makes me think that Drapion will have never voted the cult leader.In post 28, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.
My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.avoid doingbecause they knew it.
This is some next level BS because this rests on "there was a bus" which we have no credible evidence for. It took a lot for Drapion to be limmed.In post 464, MathBlade wrote:
I think furthermore if my theory that Gamma isn’t CL is correct because of the vote then it’s likely Elements isn’t either because I don’t see any evidence of a planned bus. Maybe a planned conversion of Elements later but this really reads as TMI.In post 92, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.
The "elements is town" case is, again, made out of thin air.
Why would Math assume that the CL would try to convert them? Maybe because it succeeded?In post 470, MathBlade wrote:
This very much reads to me like Drapion’s CL had the intention of converting me and then driving that bus into the ground. Let’s look at the prior post Drapion had.In post 417, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Yes.
One of my voters are definitely a cult and I think it’s Math.
This is again, Math's scum bullshit mode meta.In post 472, MathBlade wrote:Now comes the question of who Roden would convert.
If they tried me and failed they would know they would need to buddy me. Especially if they think I am the inconvertible Townie.
This really matches his open and why I wanted to back off and give space to see if someone else was a convert target.
Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.
VOTE: Roden
This rests on the assumption that Roden failed to convert(something that is not likely from the position of a VT). It also rests on "no one else has been converted".
Backed up by exactly nothing.In post 473, MathBlade wrote:
The one exception is maybe Frederick because imho that PoE is terrible.In post 456, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.
We have to remove the CL. So this is a soft defense of Elements.In post 486, MathBlade wrote:
Agreed on bad vibe. I don’t think Elements can be CL thoughIn post 483, MegAzumarill wrote:
Ditto here tbhIn post 480, Not Known 15 wrote:
Can you explain that "bad vibe" a bit more?In post 479, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.
But if a wagon forms again with TRs I will follow onto it like Drapion
Mainly I kinda don’t think any wagon except Fred is on a potential CL candidate though :/
So I am just blah.
That isn't the only telling thing though, here!
Remember what Math said before?Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.But if that thing would give them a bad vibe, and element isn't CL, they could be the convert, right?
However, Mathblade never backs down from that theory:
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Repeating this repeatedly is toxic af to the gameIn post 505, Roden wrote:I didn't take back a read on you. Like there's nothing else to say here, what you're seeing here is a completely foreign interpretation of what actually happened.
What I'm understanding is that because I didn't unvote Hutmeil after you replaced in, you think that I scum read you as well. If that's the case, that's something I can understand. If not, I don't know what to say, I can't argue with something that I know didn't happen.
I will just go after you tomorrow when we don’t flip the CL today because we cant
Well, that was not what I was expecting....
but Mathblade has spewed themselves as the convert... and Elements as Cult Leader.
Every time Mathblade said loads of massive BS it was when scum-pushing someone, with one exception. Elements.
This is also telling us that Elements is Mathblade's CL: Math is trying to establish a thought progression here, but on Day 1 Math said:In post 423, MathBlade wrote:I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.
I kinda want to see how people open.
I was evidently wrong on that one post (458) coming from town.In post 207, MathBlade wrote:180 is how I form reads
Scum rarely if ever do relational reads or feel where the vibes are
So I make hypothesis and test them
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Do you have an alternative explanation? One that doesn't make your "confbias" the mudslinging it probably is?In post 529, Elements wrote:Spoiler:
It's amazing how someone can conf. bias themselves into a particular viewpoint. That or Fred is CL and 15 is the convert trying to get the wagon off them.-
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Read my case on the previous page.In post 527, Roden wrote:Why are there so many blank votes? And what's the case on Elements?-
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It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.In post 536, MegAzumarill wrote:NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.
Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.-
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Please share these inconsistencies you are seeing.In post 543, MegAzumarill wrote:
I still really prefer hunting for CL first then working the way down. I also think even Math's day 1 in isolation ia inconsiatant at points so I'm hesitant to be certain on your math case since I don't think their play has changed a huge amountIn post 541, Not Known 15 wrote:
It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.In post 536, MegAzumarill wrote:NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.
Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.-
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This is a scummy post.In post 542, MathBlade wrote:This is a prod dodge as I have work stuff.
I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed. Will discuss later.
Rest I haven’t read-
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Looked at it. That is a playstyle clash with a bit of tunnelling on Math's part. An 1v1 with tunnely behaviour is not the same as pushing multiple BS reads(their scumreads, and the Elements townread).In post 547, MegAzumarill wrote:
See: My scumcase of Mathblade day 1In post 544, Not Known 15 wrote:
Please share these inconsistencies you are seeing.In post 543, MegAzumarill wrote:
I still really prefer hunting for CL first then working the way down. I also think even Math's day 1 in isolation ia inconsiatant at points so I'm hesitant to be certain on your math case since I don't think their play has changed a huge amountIn post 541, Not Known 15 wrote:
It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.In post 536, MegAzumarill wrote:NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.
Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.-
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In post 545, Not Known 15 wrote:
This is a scummy post.In post 542, MathBlade wrote:This is a prod dodge as I have work stuff.
I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed. Will discuss later.
Rest I haven’t read
Me:Scumcase against Math,pointing to Elements as scum, too.In post 546, Elements wrote:how?
Math:"I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed "
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You seem to have read it. Why don't you agree?In post 552, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
Well, that was 521 by Not Known 15.In post 527, Roden wrote:Why are there so many blank votes? And what's the case on Elements?-
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Drapion was very hedgy Day 1. I attributed this to a cult leader. There were multiple people with questionable... wait a moment I need to check something very important.In post 556, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Not Known 15, why did you think ProfessorDrapion is the Cult Leader in day 1?-
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So, like I said... very likely CL.(but in this case cultist instead)In post 278, Not Known 15 wrote:But the Cult leader will not play like a normal cult member. And Drapion checks a lot of boxes there with the early play and meg's hedging on Drapion, elements terrible reactions to my drapion hedging early case and the follow up read, and, actually, your own reluctance to vote Drapion after what you said, they all point in the same direction. Unless there is no cult in Elements/MegAzumarill/MathBlade then Drapion is Cult, and if Drapion is Cult then very likely Cult Leader. And yes, on day 1 you actually should CL hunt; just a 50%chance of someone being Cult leader and 50% of being town Day 1 is a far superior option to someone with 33% chance of being CL/other cult/town.
But Math... everything we non-CL read Math for happened after this so it could have been staged. Need to look more when I have time.-
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Ok, no. Drapion was pushing Math too much, including at E-1. Way too much risk if Math was CL.
So it's now indeed between Mala and Elements
That's what Math says about Mala.Roden and Malakittens are the only viable suspects that meet all the criteria from Drapions play. However I find the soft defenses of Drapion much more compelling as a CL candidate..
and this.In post 520, MathBlade wrote:
Possible CL pool to meIn post 469, MathBlade wrote:MegAzumarill — eliminated as CL
Malakittens
Roden
MathBlade — me not scum
Elements — established unlikely
ProfessorDrapion — Flipped cult
Fredrick A Campbell
Gamma Emerald — established unlikely
Not Known 15 — established unlikely
This is the pool I see for possible CLs right now.
I strongly disagree with taking Roden out of this pool.
However if after my case you find that Roden is not the CL I will vote somewhere else in my pool.
As I said will move on but I really think Roden is cult here
Contrasting, elements...
OR Math was converted and Elements is scum. This is coming after Math pushing Elements Day 1, and saying (Day 1):In post 423, MathBlade wrote:I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.
I kinda want to see how people open.In post 207, MathBlade wrote:180 is how I form reads
That's a BS reading of this. If (TOWN) flips wolf then (SCUMPARTNER) is town is a classic move to drive attention away from (SCUMPARTNER) for a day, making them survive more(which can be absolutely critical if that scumpartner is CL!), and that assumes that Gamma does go down. It's early day stuff.In post 464, MathBlade wrote:
I think furthermore if my theory that Gamma isn’t CL is correct because of the vote then it’s likely Elements isn’t either because I don’t see any evidence of a planned bus. Maybe a planned conversion of Elements later but this really reads as TMI.In post 92, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.
This was part of the stuff why Math is scum - their "logic" makes no sense at all, first saying "probably no convert", then "Bad vibes but probably not CL", and then continuing pushing Roden backed by the now obsolete argument "probably no convert". That is stitched together instead of natural progression.In post 486, MathBlade wrote:
Agreed on bad vibe. I don’t think Elements can be CL thoughIn post 483, MegAzumarill wrote:
Ditto here tbhIn post 480, Not Known 15 wrote:
Can you explain that "bad vibe" a bit more?In post 479, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.
But if a wagon forms again with TRs I will follow onto it like Drapion
Mainly I kinda don’t think any wagon except Fred is on a potential CL candidate though :/
So I am just blah.
And that also means that "bad vibes but probably not CL" is a defense, and guess why.
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Hmmmmmmmmm votecounts.
Was this planned? Is this SvS? Let me think about this a bit.In post 312, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Yeah honestly I can see it from how Math has went about me and how he brought up Gamma, and the town read, plus indirectly trying to get players to vote for me.In post 310, Elements wrote:
Makes me think math could be CLIn post 309, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: frederick e campbell
ok this is actually scum
mala vote is cheap, sus on me is cheap too
Yeah that could actually be CL and Gamma is trying to save it.
Yeah I hope this flips CL so I can just bury Gamma tomorrow.
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In post 580, Roden wrote:I feel like I'm falling off a bit this game, sorry
I don't want to vote Elements because of their D1 play and interactions with other players, I just don't get the vibe that they're the CL. However I don't really have a compelling case besides my vibe read. Meanwhile NK15's case seems genuine, it clashes with my read but I think I could just be wrong on Elements. NK15 is town by meta, so I'm willing to follow him here since I do feel like Mala's been townier today anyway.
VOTE: ElementsIn post 583, Elements wrote:I think Fred is CL and has recruited either Rodan or 15In post 603, MegAzumarill wrote:
While I'm also curious same can be said to you hereIn post 602, Elements wrote:
why the sudden change of heart?In post 599, Not Known 15 wrote:VOTE: Malakittens
I got a very bad feeling about limming Elements atm.
UNVOTE:
Why the unvote?
Maths refutation of my case gives me doubt.In post 565, MegAzumarill wrote:
I would highly doubt itIn post 562, Not Known 15 wrote:Hmmmmmmmmm votecounts.
Was this planned? Is this SvS? Let me think about this a bit.In post 312, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Yeah honestly I can see it from how Math has went about me and how he brought up Gamma, and the town read, plus indirectly trying to get players to vote for me.In post 310, Elements wrote:
Makes me think math could be CLIn post 309, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: frederick e campbell
ok this is actually scum
mala vote is cheap, sus on me is cheap too
Yeah that could actually be CL and Gamma is trying to save it.
Yeah I hope this flips CL so I can just bury Gamma tomorrow.
VOTE: MathBlade
What Meg said gives me doubt about Drap/Elements.
And Roden, with that reaction, could be easily the convert to Malakittens.
My townread Campbell is voting Mala over Elements.
The reaction "VT" could come from resigned CL, but Elements doesn't look resigned.
I've got a bad feeling I should change course, which I usually have before town gets limmed with my help.-
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All of these together.In post 608, MathBlade wrote:What specifically gives you doubt?-
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In post 610, MathBlade wrote:
My refutation of your case gives you doubt? Why? What about it?In post 609, Not Known 15 wrote:
All of these together.In post 608, MathBlade wrote:What specifically gives you doubt?
That answer about tunneling and why you still CL read Roden. It's believable, at least.-
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In post 626, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I actually am still not sure about Not Known 15's allignment because I think that 伊's posts are the sort I myself have no problem making as mafia.
Can you compress your towncase on elements into a single post?In post 623, MathBlade wrote:To be clear I think Elements is town but I am not like OMG scream it sure.-
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What's more risky: Forcing a claim that doesn't cause much trouble in 2/3 of the possible setups(JK is likely useless after CL has been limmed, which needs to happen until day 3 pretty much every time anyways, and an Unrecruitable Townie claim this day means the other one claims, and then we have either the exact scumteam including 1 PR convert or two townies) or not eliminating correctly if we know that the CL absolutely CAN recruit next night (unless interfered with) and that this will extremely likely result in lim CL or lose, and does not allow a near autowin in the majority of the situations.In post 631, MathBlade wrote:Not exposing us to more risk than absolutely necessary and mutually agreed upon.-
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Limming CL now is an autowin in the cop setup without a cop convert
Limming CL now is not an autowin in the JK setup because the JK cannot be trusted, but 6:1 Nightless is still very good.
Limming CL now is an autowin in the 2x Unrecruitable Townie setup.
If we get to Day 3, unless there was no convert on Night 1 and/or Night 2, we have 3 cult trying to stop a CL lim.
Including one that was town and might be trusted.
Limming CL then is likely a win in the cop setup if the cop isn't converted,
but in the JK or converted person setup, it's not so good.
And 2x Unrecruitable is no longer an autowin and actually allows an Unrecruitable fakeclaim.-
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You said that we shouldn't switch to Mala because claims would be terrible.In post 636, MathBlade wrote:To be clear some/most of it is likely true
It’s garbage in the sheer fact it’s antitown and doesn’t help.
I refuted it, and you say that some/most of my refutation is likely true....
and then you say "it's antitown and doesn't help".
How does that make sense? If my refutation can help us go past your refuted argument that making Mala claim would be not worth the risk if we aren't absolutely sure that elements was town then that helps town.-
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It's not just you but it isn't scum indicative. Not with his POE.In post 638, Elements wrote:Anyone else think that Fred is just sort of sitting here agreeing with things but not actually doing anything beyond that or is that just me being tunnel visioned?-
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That mech spec says why switching to Mala is not as a great risk as Math claims it to be.In post 640, MathBlade wrote:
You did not “refute it”In post 637, Not Known 15 wrote:
You said that we shouldn't switch to Mala because claims would be terrible.In post 636, MathBlade wrote:To be clear some/most of it is likely true
It’s garbage in the sheer fact it’s antitown and doesn’t help.
I refuted it, and you say that some/most of my refutation is likely true....
and then you say "it's antitown and doesn't help".
How does that make sense? If my refutation can help us go past your refuted argument that making Mala claim would be not worth the risk if we aren't absolutely sure that elements was town then that helps town.
You said a lot of irrelevant mech spec.
The irrelevant mech spec is antitown and causes apathy.
You just ignored my points and said a lot of mech that didn’t address the heart of what I am saying.
I encourage you to step away and reread what I said.
That Math dismisses mech spec like this is not his town meta.
I personally witnessed it as his scum meta, though. When he was desperate. And Math being desperate and scum can mean only one thing. Mala is CL.-
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Only at first glance.In post 643, MegAzumarill wrote:There's the alternative approach of keeping it at 3/3 and forcing scum to take a coinflip or act if they are S/T (which feels likely)
I don't really like it though and kind of is a waste of time, but potentially has merit
If scum acts the CL dies tomorrow, then the scum dies the next, and Cult has a maximum of one person remaining.
4:1 Nightless, with a converted Cop/JK is the best they can get there.
4:1 Nightless Vanilla has a 60% town win rate.
If scum doesn't act the CL has a 50% chance to die today and a 50% chance to not die today and probably not tomorrow.
We cannot distinguish between that and T/T. This doesn't help us!-
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Yes, yes. I mean there is also that - if Mala is VT - then the scumteam knows who is VT and who not.... except there is this:In post 644, MathBlade wrote:In post 643, MegAzumarill wrote:There's the alternative approach of keeping it at 3/3 and forcing scum to take a coinflip or act if they are S/T (which feels likely)
I don't really like it though and kind of is a waste of time, but potentially has merit
Post says “Assume Mala VT”In post 642, MegAzumarill wrote:
Ok but I don't think cult recruits a town!Mala regardlessIn post 634, MathBlade wrote:You’re not hearing me. It’s not a binary.
What I am saying is it’s a discussion we need to have and not speed run it.
And yes a claim would be disastrous here.
For a moment assume I am truthtelling
Assume Elements town I am town
Assume Mala is VT
Then cult has a very very narrow window to hit the PRs.
We are at 8 alive -3 (elements, myself, Mala) -2 cult (unknown who) = 3
That means 1/3 chance to hit the cop.
Leaving it here means 1/4 which means maybe one more day.
So I don’t want any unneeded claims. If town agrees then we do it knowing the risks.
If Mala is unrecruitable, that's honestly probably fine
If mala is JK/Cop that's bad
If Mala is VT there's no real change unless scum were real confident in a cop!Mala or somethin weird like that
The odds this hurts town are less than the purely statistical odds of mala being scum so I don't think this checks out
Response says “Mala isn’t likely cult”
Response doesn’t go through my argument? Like this is a nonsequitur
If Mala is VT, and there are two unrecruitables, and scum looks in non-VT then that's good for us.
If Mala is VT, and there is a JK, then, unless the JK stopped/stops 2 recruits, tomorrow is the last day to catch CL and the JK isn't useful after that time.
If Mala is VT, and there is a Cop, then the a chance of conversion will have gone up.
In total, there is obviously a risk, but not as bad as Math claims.-
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Because of the alternatives, and Campbell.In post 686, MathBlade wrote:@NK why the hammer swap?
Malakittens just didn't have the votes behind it. Campbell said:
Campbell was also at Malakittens at that time.In post 621, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I am not sure Elements is town. I agree with MathBlade that we should find Elements guilty if we are not sure whether Elements is town.
Meg(previously voting Mala) had switched to Elements.
My arguments didn't convince anyone present, including Campbell.
The Mala wagon had not sufficient backing behind it.
So, either Elements would have succeeded anyways, or, if not, it would have most likely been derailed into myself or my inno, Campbell.-
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No. If I was wrong about Mala being CL the cult would just pile on and we would lose. We need to find the CL. I need to go and re-read everything to look what I missed, with the knowledge that you and Elements are town.In post 716, MathBlade wrote:Would you vote Mala now?-
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