Open 866: CK9++ [game over!]

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I'm Townleaning MariaR, Roden, and Mala with a

very low

level of certainty.

VOTE: CSF

For the naked vote.

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??

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I think she wants you to be more certain! Tbf I don't know where the Roden read came from?

Aww! I completed a game with scum!Roden recently and 7 struck me as being a lot more fluid and unafraid to post in the thread than he was in that game.

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I'm cautiously Townleaning Gamma now as well and I'm tempted to Townlean Bella.

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There's a difference between stiff entrances (something people wolfread but shouldn't) and entrances trying to just fit in and I think that's what I got from yours.

Real quick, this is especially unlikely to come from scum IMO.

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There's a difference between stiff entrances (something people wolfread but shouldn't) and entrances trying to just fit in and I think that's what I got from yours.

Real quick, this is especially unlikely to come from scum IMO.

I'd say with a

low/moderate

level of certainty MariaR is Town.

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I think cat, Maria, Frogster, Bella, gamma are all slightly more townie than null for me

I'd add Roden and Mala to this list (and swap my name for Dease.)

Was that elected decisions? I was shit that game but my early town reads were right.

Yes that's the game I was thinking of. Do you agree/disagree Roden seems different this game or do you think it's NAI for Roden?

Ayo Frog when’s your survey happening?

It's under renovations. My plan going into this game wasn't to use it.

What do you like about cat? You and cat have been the players I've gone ?? About the most, but you included her specifically in your ok pile.

I don't like this post though

My thoughts on Bella pushing the affable angle as scum are that she may not have included these comments if that's what she's going for.

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UNVOTE: CSF VOTE: BBT

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VOTE: Lammolde
Why does your gut say it’s Frog?

I just read the roster and got bad vibes from his name i guess. You can get a townie point for pushing things along. Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.

Lammolde,

Is there any reason you can't post a list of your reads so far?

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UNVOTE: CSF VOTE: BBT

Breadcrumb something something

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Enchant, Roden, MalaKittens, BBT, Cakez and Tet. When i see posts like "Gameboy advance content" or "mew" the only thing that pops into my mind is ...ok then. Since this is early on in day 1 the only town reads i have are due to the fact that some people are active and trying to advance talks by asking questions etc.

One observation i made is that Bella was not really into this game when she posted

Lammolde's reads list:

Town:
Gamma, Frog, Dease, Cat, MariaR,

Town lean:
???

Null:
Enchant, Roden, Mala, BBT, Cakez, Tet

Scum lean:
???

Scum:
Bella

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Can you sort the leans?

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

Is there anyone who fits this bill?

I thought this question sounded funny for some reason

It's under renovations. My plan going into this game wasn't to use it.

I can be flexible, this is pretty slow.

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

Is there anyone who fits this bill?

I thought this question sounded funny for some reason

Funny as in worded funny?

Yeah, I thought it sounded silly-funny, not sketchy-funny.

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Re: Roden, I've just finished a newbie where I was scum and he was town, and he was very obvious town in a few posts, but he replaced in later in the game. I'm not getting that from the slot yet, but it isn't one I have confidence to be able to sort day one.

Replacing into a game feels a bit easier than starting in one for me, idk why.

Do you dislike D1?

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

I disagree, but thought i think is town.

Where do you think scum are hiding, Enchant?

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

I disagree, but thought i think is town.

Where do you think scum are hiding, Enchant?

AMONG US

Lol, for real though?

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idk it's page 4

I have two townreads thoug

Cakez and BBT?

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Who is it

It's Cakez for mentioning his dream and BBT for playing to their Town meta.

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i don't know but I distinctly remember being upset about it

This is the exact moment I believe you Towned Cakez.

PEdit:

Town!BBT only writes 1 post usually by this stage of the game, maybe you think they're efforting by writing 2?

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Am I right or am I right??

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Who is it

Am I right or am I right??

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ugh not really

Am I close at least?

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Ignoring this on purpose for currently undisclosed reasons.

Did you breadcrumb it?

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ugh not really

Am I close at least?

hell i know

Are they 2 real reads, like not including yourself?

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

I disagree, but thought i think is town.

My readlist right now:

Enchant - Town
Everyone else - Null

Like, these better not be the 2 Townreads...

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ugh not really

Am I close at least?

hell i know

Are they 2 real reads, like not including yourself?

But i am town...........
So i count

Am I speaking to scumchant?

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Oops my bad:

Am I speaking to Enchscum?

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Who are these people


I am town

Okay. The other one is Lammolde? I was right?

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idk it's page 4

I have two townreads thoug

You have two Townreads, yourself and Lammolde?

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idk it's page 4

I have two townreads thoug

You have two Townreads, yourself and Lammolde?

ye

Lmao

If you were me, would you Townlean Enchant for writing that?

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You are just jelaous, because my list are confirmed atleast 50% being right

Yes lol and you didn't answer my question though, should I or anyone Townlean you for what you've written so far?

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Kudos to you Frog for sticking to this as much as you did. UNVOTE: Frog

I appreciate the gesture there!

This game have problems if i am top2 poster

Welcome to my life. Do you think you can dig up a few more reads?

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They will not be true reads though

As long as you try at a ~60% max effort level, your reads will be accepted.

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I mean if i didn't notice something on first glance, then it's likely my mind making me to think "oh it's townie/scummy", knowing i doing it just to appease you lol

You can break through this limiting belief with a commendable ~60% effort. Tonight is going to be your first fearkill; I can feel it. Gone is the era of getting executed at lylo for random reasons, now begins the era of getting executed at lylo because you're being BoP'd.

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Bbt can you post a reads list?

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UNVOTE: BBT

Because I just played a game with BBT and this is like an exact replica of their Town game. The only thing that prevents me from Town leaning them is that in the game we just completed they were less afraid to thunderdome me than they appear to be here.

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I thought CSF was scum for a hot second there because of the naked vote but then she started writing and I changed my mind. CSF I think told me they're less serious when they're scum and I think they're being pretty serious in this game.

I liked BBT's catch up post. I had bad vibes about Maria's entrance too but I can't really put a finger on why

I don't really agree with the non-BBT part of this though, MariaR is my strongest Townread with a

moderate

degree of certainty. I feel like they don't write their first post as scum because it seems likely to draw them a lot of negative attention:

Hearing the bells, they're ringing.

VOTE: Bella

Weird early post la la la

I feel like this shows a lack of fear to post in the thread and I rarely see scum playing this aggressively early on.

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I really disliked cats early posting but this page has been much better, Maria calling her town and me scum for not very much looks worse on Maria than cat, I've decided.

149 partly in response to this BTW

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VOTE: Lammolde

I believe with a

moderate

level of certainty this is a scum flip. It's mostly based on tone but there are a few things I can point out that are concrete. I think the tone read is reliable in this case because Lammolde hasn't played in 5 years so they're having a hard time pretending to scum hunt.

I was playing anti town by lying (concealing) but I think it's good play because I wanted to give Lammolde time to spew their team, and I tried to breadcrumb that my read flip is coming:

VOTE: Lammolde
Why does your gut say it’s Frog?

I just read the roster and got bad vibes from his name i guess. You can get a townie point for pushing things along. Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.

Lammolde,

Is there any reason you can't post a list of your reads so far?

UNVOTE: CSF VOTE: BBT

Breadcrumb something something

That vote on BBT was a filler vote because I wanted to wait on voting Lammolde until I questioned them.

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VOTE: Lammolde
Why does your gut say it’s Frog?

I just read the roster and got bad vibes from his name i guess. You can get a townie point for pushing things along. Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.

Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

These posts are scummy by tone and I think are written with the sole purpose of obtaining Townreads, ie 40 and 83 are the reaction I think these were fishing for. I believe the fishing part with a

low

level of certainty and the scummy by tone with a

moderate

level of certainty.

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Lammolde,

Is there any reason you can't post a list of your reads so far?

#1 To be honest

,

#2 i am simply incapable of making any conclusion out of fluff(Not sure if this is the accurate term) posts meaning i have no read on:

Enchant, Roden, MalaKittens, BBT, Cakez and Tet. When i see posts like "Gameboy advance content" or "mew" the only thing that pops into my mind is ...ok then. Since this is early on in day 1 the only town reads i have are due to the fact that some people are active and trying to advance talks by asking questions etc.

#3 One observation i made is that Bella was not really into this game when she posted:

VOTE: Frog
My gut is right around 30% of the time. Haven't played in 5(?) years and the only one i remember from the people here is Bella.
She was scum in my first newbie game if anybody cares.

Did I flake? I can't remember you, sorry! I don't like this post though

If she payed a bit of attention she would notice my account is brand new. My name, avatar and ip address are all different. The question would then be "What was your main account's name".
So does her not paying attention at that moment mean she isn't really into this game thus making her scummy?

#4 Maybe. Maybe she was feeling bad, or maybe she got a boring role thus the lack of enthusiasm. Maybe people don't look at avatars and account creation dates and only look at names.

I do not know

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#1

This is qualifying and implies they don't feel entitled to post in the thread.

#2

This is a simple excuse not to post reads while shading other players.

#3

This is an attempt to pocket MariaR by supporting her indirectly against Bella.

#4

This is a nasty hedge/fence sitting on Bella.

I feel

moderately

certain on #1, #2 and #4, and

low

certain on

#3

.

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Kudos to you Frog for sticking to this as much as you did. UNVOTE: Frog

And finally I think this is a pretty blatant attempt to pocket me. I'm

highly

certain this is an attempt to pocket me, and my feeling is that it comes from scum, but I can only be

low

certain it's an actual scum attempt vs another one.

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The main things gained from waiting on pushing Lammolde is that they shaded the fuck out of Bella and Enchant and maybe tried to pocket MariaR as well as Roden I think. I think the biggest thing learned is that I think Enchant is Town. Let me write up some examples here.

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I already wrote about pocketing me/MariaR so I'm going to point out the Bella shade, Enchant shade + town spew, and maybe Roden pocket.

Bella shade:

Bella is just a question mark for me right now and isn't in any category

One observation i made is that Bella was not really into this game when she posted:

@Bell

: Could you elaborate a bit on why my posts sound awkward? Is it the vibes, or do you think i don't know what i'm doing etc.?
Your thought process behind the vote on me looks kinda forced and fake.

I'm a little bit less sure about this at the moment so I'll move onto the next two

Roden pocket:

My feeling is that following up with Roden on the seed planted in 40 and tucking a reply in here at the bottom of a bigger post implied some intentionality and that Lammolde is 4real trying to pocket Roden rather than distance with reverse psychology.

Can you sort the leans?

All the town reads are actually town leans. Bella is just a question mark for me right now and isn't in any category

Tbf 'i don't remember playing with you ' is also an invite to clarify you were under an alt. If you don't wanna reveal who, fine, but this whole convo then becomes pointless.

I actually made a new account because i couldn't remember my username, password or e-mail, not because i wanted to be anonymous. I only remembered that my name was Charloux when the game started because Maria left it in her footnote.
I wonder if i should replace my alt with my main now, although i would have to pester the site admin for my password or e-mail.

Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

Is there anyone who fits this bill?

Ignoring this on purpose for currently undisclosed reasons.

I read Lam as awkward town atm, and Bella seems fine and is engaging with people

.

I don't know why i sound awkward but this is just my way of posting, and i don't think this will change. I try to be honest and pragmatic as much as possible and look for motivation behind posts rather than personal opinions regarding the words in the posts

.

I guess my read isn't that deep, that's basically it. I think with

low

certainty this implies Roden is Town.

Enchant Town:

Okay fjnally this is what I wanted to write about.

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First of all I think Enchant's high activity level and refusal to forge reads is +town, but it's pretty

low

certainty, and I think we can get better confirmation on that from flipping Lammolde

Enchant SHADE

Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.

To be honest, i am simply incapable of making any conclusion out of fluff(Not sure if this is the accurate term) posts meaning i have no read on:
Enchant,

I feel like an idiot for taking this game so seriously until now after i read Enchants posts

I think this is shade ala SCUM SHADE recognizing Enchant as a traditionally easy mislim but not wanting to push them and take the credibility hit themselves. I think

moderate

certainty this is what Lammolde is doing, rather than trying to sort Enchant or figure out what their deal is, because

Lammolde knows Enchant is Town.

I think I'm being a little conservative even by classifying this as moderate certainty, because I don't know what else this could be aside from scum distancing (which can be ruled out in the next part.) I don't believe that Lammolde is actually angry/frustrated because their tone is off.

Enchant gets Pocketed:

Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

I disagree, but thought i think is town.

Boom post 83, Lammolde now can use Enchant as a pocket rather than just a mislim, that's why they add these comments in 115:

Enchant Pocket/Town spew

but they are so chill even 6 votes wouldn't be enough.

Had a laugh at Amongus tho

Lammolde adds these to 115 because Lammolde doesn't want to push Enchant too hard that they lose the Townread they got from him in 83. If Lammolde were partners with Enchant who was trying to distance them then there's no reason to add these sweet nothings. Also, I think a scum who comes off as scummy as Lammolde and is returning from a 5 year experience gap is probably preferring to distance from their partners traditionally by sticking to weak pushes rather than enter wifom territory by complimenting them. I believe again about

moderate

certainty this is an accurate deduction and we can flip Lammolde red D1 and it will spew Enchant Town.

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158

tl;dr

Lammolde scum flip moderately implies Town!Enchant, and Lammolde is probably flipping scum.

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*Sits on computer*
*Reads text*
*Groans*

My writing made its readers feel something! I am blessed

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I like that Pooky liked my case on Lammolde.

VOTE: sircakez
Am also underwhelmed by Cakez

Do you/anyone else have meta on SirCakez?

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Recall the TFT game that just finished? I waffled on it later but I had Cakez as town early

Yeah I do remember that actually

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He did? He had you at null and Lammode as town...

I'm pretty sure it was an NM-style reads list. If you recall, they voted Lammolde shortly before posting it and didn't unvote him after. I assumed he was sheeping my case because he voted Lammolde and didn't specify otherwise.

Also, if you recall DeltaWave from the game we just finished, I'm getting a very similar tone read on Lammolde to what I had on Delta from that game.

Also, why do you Townlean Bella and Dease, BBT?

PEdit:

MariaR will you sheep my vote on Lammolde if I promise to sheep your vote tomorrow?

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Wait, didn't I scum read Delta in that game and you said he was town? Or am I misremembering?

I don't think so and if I did I was lying. I made the same play on Delta that I'm doing here with Lammolde where I was cagey about my read (except I waited way too long to start pushing Delta.) There's evidence available in my notes PT that game once Gamma releases it.

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MariaR will you sheep my vote on Lammolde if I promise to sheep your vote tomorrow?

. . . .

Baaaaaa

VOTE: Lam

VOTE: Lammode

Hell yeah!

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L slash 1

VOTE: Lammolde

Hey look hammer

HERO HAMMER

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Big ego warning

Spoiler:

My D1 reads were right I am the best/

my D1 reads were wrong but it was just D1.

*puff chest* pride, ego etc.

Okay, I'm done.

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VOTE: cakeboi

choo choo

I want to hear your reasons first if it's concrete and if it's purely intuition I want to know what kind of feeling it is and when roughly it started.

VOTE: cakez

Either town it the fuck up or die.

(:

But in all seriousness I’m down with him being scum

Mala do you just dislike playing on D1? Also, I want you to answer the same question I asked Pooky above.

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Thank you for explaining, Pooky:

bella can u stop defending yourself and focus on hunting down bad guyz

self meta defense is boring

killing bad guys is fun

i will not vote you or call you a hellbusser until day 4

If town!Pooky thinks unknown!Bella is getting defensive, why call out and shut down the spew?

both of them basically have shit interactions with lan molde and ghosting the thread not even pretending to solve

happy to kill either

I'm not impressed with this point because I thought lammolde spewed Roden as Town. I also just finished a game with scum!Roden and they were really proactive as scum in a really townsided setup and worked hard to dig their way out of a hole when their scum buddy Greeting got fragged D2 and I was scum casing them from like page 1. I guess I could see an argument that Greeting was coaching them so they overperformed, but Greeting didn't do all that great that game and I feel like Roden is way more likely to be Town who isn't all that into this game.

Can you elaborate why lammolde has shit interactions with roden and cakez? Also, how solvey is Cakez normally as Town? I've played like one game with them and they were Town and just said some random stuff and then flaked out.

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Hi my list was still 50% accurate

Enchant can you ISO dive someone?

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idk i want to kill Gamma already

ISO dive them then?

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I'm not impressed with this point because I thought lammolde spewed Roden as Town. I also just finished a game with scum!Roden and they were really proactive as scum in a really townsided setup and worked hard to dig their way out of a hole when their scum buddy Greeting got fragged D2 and I was scum casing them from like page 1. I guess I could see an argument that Greeting was coaching them so they overperformed, but Greeting didn't do all that great that game and I feel like Roden is way more likely to be Town who isn't all that into this game.

I believe with

low certainty

that Roden is Town.

PEdit

Thanks fpr that, Enchant

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VOTE: pooky

I want to know why the interactioms are shit between roden and lammolde amd cakez and lammolde.

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What's up Roden I'm on tilt.

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Mala fake claim Tracker and find the scum.

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Did you get bad vibes from Pooky's solve? I'm pretty sure bussing roleblocker D1 is within Pooky's scum range and Lammolde was likely going down anyway at the time Pooky came into the game so it wasn't even like *that unheard of* for him to hop on wagon with a nothingburger case.

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I agree Frog, I don't think Pooky is clear by any means, but they are snuggly so that makes it okay

What's your PoE look like, Dease?

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I agree Frog, I don't think Pooky is clear by any means, but they are snuggly so that makes it okay

What's your PoE look like, Dease?

It's not at the stage of the game where I have a PoE

That's a *little* sus

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Lammolde wasn't looking likely to be elimmed at all, I'm not sure where this perception has come from.

Lammolde was sitting comfortably at E-3, if he was being bussed then scum would hardly have been concerned. The fact he gained 3 votes in 20 minutes (including hammer) negates any real sort of VCA because the wagon just happened too quickly.

Why are you defending pooky? When did you start Townreading them?

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I agree Frog, I don't think Pooky is clear by any means, but they are snuggly so that makes it okay

What's your PoE look like, Dease?

It's not at the stage of the game where I have a PoE

That's a *little* sus

I think we have different ways of playing, and that's okay.

That's probably true, I even thought you were scummy when I was scum against you and I knew you were Town, that's why I tried to push you like D5 LOL.

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Good posting from Roden

I can agree with you on this.

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Why are you defending pooky? When did you start Townreading them?

I think you just made two incorrect assumptions.

So you believe that lammolde was bussed D1 or not? I'm confused.

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I'm kind of feeling a Pooky + BBT solve at the moment. I was planning to push Dease later but he seems alright actually LOL.

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I agree Frog, I don't think Pooky is clear by any means, but they are snuggly so that makes it okay

What's your PoE look like, Dease?

It's not at the stage of the game where I have a PoE

That's a *little* sus

I think we have different ways of playing, and that's okay.

I like that Dease didn't fake any reads here, I read that as +Town.

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Yes I hate d1

Do you have any thoughts on Gamma yet?

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MariaR kas been killed night 1. she was a

town vengeful

.

Cat Scratch Fever has been killed night 1. she was a

vanilla townie

.

the sun rises. it is now day 2.

I don't think either of these are Vig shots btw. I'm not softing anything, I just don't see a Vig shooting anyone on the wagon, especially since neither were particularly scummy.

I kinda want to town lock Pooky just because I don't think he bussed Lam and I doubt the player he replaced saw a SK role PM and said "no thanks". Like it's not impossible, but it's so rare to get and I don't see why anyone would join a potential SK game and not actually want to play as one.

I get the angleshoot with the SK but I don't get the points about the Vig or why Pooky couldn't have bussed?

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I'm kind of feeling a Pooky + BBT solve at the moment. I was planning to push Dease later but he seems alright actually LOL.

What's your case on BBT?

He seemed a little off but I like that he's down to go for Pooky.

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I'm just kind of tossing shit out right now if Pooky is scum I don't know who his partner is. I think he easily could have bussed D1 though and I need to see him elaborate why the associatives are shit on roden+ cakez and lammolde.

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I appreciate 273 by the way, Enchant. Thank you!

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MariaR kas been killed night 1. she was a

town vengeful

.

Cat Scratch Fever has been killed night 1. she was a

vanilla townie

.

the sun rises. it is now day 2.

I don't think either of these are Vig shots btw. I'm not softing anything, I just don't see a Vig shooting anyone on the wagon, especially since neither were particularly scummy.

I kinda want to town lock Pooky just because I don't think he bussed Lam and I doubt the player he replaced saw a SK role PM and said "no thanks". Like it's not impossible, but it's so rare to get and I don't see why anyone would join a potential SK game and not actually want to play as one.

I get the angleshoot with the SK but I don't get the points about the Vig or why Pooky couldn't have bussed?

I think if a Vig exists then they shoot me or Cakez, or at least bare minimum shooting someone off wagon who might look like they were trying to save Lam. CSF and Maria weren't particularly scummy enough to outweigh someone who didn't participate in a flash wagon on scum, and no one seemed to be tunneled on either of them so I doubt it was a shot from a overconfident Vig.

Pooky could have bussed, but I think he's also a very influential player who people want to listen to and keep around. I think if he wanted to, he could've killed the wagon's momentum and made people look elsewhere.

Okay thank you for explaining about the Vig. I think scum!pooky probably could have derailed the wagon if they wanted to, I'm not sure that's how scum!pooky thinks though. I also think the way lammolde got hammered scum!pooky may not have expected the wagon to go through when it did and hopped on it mainly for distancing.

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Why not, she could push me

If you were a Vig, then you'd be confirmed town and she couldn't push you

PE: Maybe my view of the game is just the odd one out

It's possible I'm the odd one out as well, I'm on tilt right now.

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I don't think lammode/enchant internations say s/s

+1

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I am Bodyguard. I protected Frogster N1.

HELL YEAH

I guess we have to actually solve the game though if we aren't getting any real mech clears. A BG + Vengeful roll is kind of shit for Town.

PEdit

Enchant is beast moding on this setup spec.

I'm going to have to go to sleep so I can make reads that actually make sense. I still like Pooky for group scum.

[Frogsterking]

I think cakez is probably more likely to be SK or Vig than groupscum. That's the real reason behind pooky's push. The process pooky is using makes a lot of sense if you're looking for SK/Vig only and not groupscum. I think pooky + bella look partnered today, and D1 I noticed lammolde pushed Enchant a lot harder than Bella, and their early interactions about the account and stuff kind of look like scum theater/distancing. I think Bella + lammolde weren't planning a bus and were distancing while their partner lurked out, and pooky entered the game and saw his partners pushing each other and I had just posted a WoT on his weakest scum buddy and pooky was like alright Bella lammolde is dead, let's push someone offwagon tomorrow and hope we get lucky with the Town rolls. When there were 2 deaths pooky deduced roden/cakez were most likely to be the Vig or SK and he pushed cakez first because it's in his town meta. I think if Cakez had claimed something other than Vig or SK and it sounded believable pooky was planning to switch to Roden. IMO it's best to wagon pooky first while we still have Enchant and I'd also be down to wagon Bella.

Low certainty

on all of this.

[Frogsterking]

I believe with

low certainty

that pooky hit correctly his first try on cakez by the way.

[Frogsterking]

If it's an SK and it's not Cakez then BBT is my 2nd choice for 3rd party. I was thinking for a while that Bella might be Vig because I felt like they were kind of soft claiming it and then Enchant claimed and Bella looks like a scum flip now.

[Frogsterking]

What

Do I need to go back to sleep?

[Frogsterking]

I was low key hoping you would carry today Mala. I read a bunch of your Towngames N1 and I realized your reads are good but only after D1. I've lead on scum D1 and then imploded D2 on more than one occasion.

[Frogsterking]

What

Do I need to go back to sleep?

No all I saw was word vomit

I think I might need sleep.

I’ll do my best to focus once I sleep tonight.

Unfortunately my mafia play style is linked to me emotionally
& I have been tucked out the last few days.

Okay sounds like we're on the same non existent sleep schedule then.

[Frogsterking]

Is frogster high? Like, that all came out of nowhere.

How could you tell??

[Frogsterking]

I also need to sleep though.

[Frogsterking]

okay already from a quick reread I feel safe townbinning Frog, Enchant, Bella, Gamma
Scum prob in BBT, DV, Mala, Roden

How did you get 8, Cake?

[Frogsterking]

I don't know Cakez well enough to know if this is how they usually sort players as Town. I get what Dease said about Cakez reaction being over-the-top or performative (359) and I see where he's coming from and my reservation is that I've been voted for writing stuff which seems that way as frog!Town.

I believe with

low certainty

that pooky hit correctly his first try on cakez by the way.

what does this mean

I’ll do my best to focus once I sleep tonight.

Unfortunately my mafia play style is linked to me emotionally
& I have been tucked out the last few days.

mala is town she doesn't make this post as scum

okay already from a quick reread I feel safe townbinning Frog, Enchant, Bella, Gamma
Scum prob in BBT, DV, Mala, Roden

How did you get 8, Cake?

8 what?

8 reads, I feel like you have a lot of reads and I'm not sure where they're all coming from.

And your first question, there's a multiball tell where a player is only looking for one member against the Town and not the others, and that's what pooky's push looks like to me. I think you're a much better candidate to be the SK rather than a groupscum and I think pooky D1 looks like damage control for a floundering scum team.

[Frogsterking]

he seems like the kind of player who would towntell under pressure if significant pressure is applied and if he doesn't and we kill him and he flips town I can be like yea I knew that was going to happen and if he flips scum I can be like yea I got that dude.

also like sitting around and waiting for nothing to happen is very boring

This is a clever set up for a read flip on lammolde if it looks like the wagon can be strongarmed onto someone else, while also providing a good cover for pooky getting his vote onboard the wagon in case it's too late to stop.

[Frogsterking]

this feels like textbook demotivated scum team who dont post or try cuz they fell behind early

when have I ever ONCE ghosted on a failing scum team
i always try and you know that we've gone to war so much at this point

also ya I +1 SK theory cuz I don't see why a vig would have shot either of those people

you pretty much went awol in Eurybia's curse on your scum team then you had to drink like a gallon of vodka just to find the courage to even post

that's just a blatant lie read scum chat

Pooky why not refute this? Instead you linked to here:

this game just ended so I can quote this now:

this is how town cakes feels about me:

viewtopic.php?p=13503084#p13503084

he forgot about it this game cuz he's a scum fuck lolololol

I don't understand the context of the meta argument so the nou nou back and forth doesn't mean anything to me other than one or both of you are lying. The game you linked to in 406 isn't convincing because it feels like a big step back from what --if you were telling the truth-- was a big opportunity to validate your activity tell on Cakez as well as catch them in a lie by refuting 380.

[Frogsterking]

Pooky why not refute this? Instead you linked to here:

refute what he was literally afk

here's game link:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89546

(maf PT)
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89547

I can see Cakez survived that entire game and was the only scum to do so. Cakez said in 380 to check the maf PT which I linked above. I haven't read the main thread yet but based on the maf PT it looks like Town was tearing itself apart and Cakez told his only remaining scum buddy at the time that they were in a good spot now and to
"...not rock the boat." Cakez scum buddy replied
"I think it's safer to rock the boat a little..." followed quickly after by a long string of posts which are some variation of "oh no I made a terrible mistake."

Based on what I've read so far it doesn't look like Cakez abandons a failing scum team. Is my opinion going to change if I bother to read the main thread?

[Frogsterking]

pooky is playing like a shitter but honestly I don't know what to do with him because I feel like most of my desire to SR him just comes from him being really obnoxious towards me every time we play together

this just sounds like you're mad about being caught for the wrong reasons or w/e

also like if i'm mafia and you're town, why would I be obnoxious? the whole point of being scum is to vote out townies. I'd just be playing to my win con. you kinda tmiing that I'm town here

Cuz if ur Mafia being obnoxious will get me tilted, you've done it in the past

Can you link to a completed game where scum!pooky plays this way toward your slot?

[Frogsterking]

should we just mass claim atp cuz tomm is mylo most of the time no

I think so tbh

I’ll start with this: Im pretty sure I was roleblocked n1 and it wasn’t scum

VOTE: Cakez

Bold claim

Roden kill (assuming overkill) and above claim make me think Cakez is flipping some anti town role.

I'm VT by the way. I want Pooky and Cakez to claim next.

[Frogsterking]

I believe Dease is telling the truth on the condition a JK confirms what he's saying.

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Cakez


Wait are Dease and Enchant 1v1 each other ?

[Frogsterking]

Mala and Gamma aren't you guys normally paranoid of each other in game states like this?

Bella can you give a reads list?

[Frogsterking]

Enchant and Bella are my Towncore.

If Gamma can Towncore someone else and look Townie in the process that should win the game.

[Frogsterking]

I did just check tho and I would have stopped the kill outright had one targeted frogster tho so that's noteworthy

VOTE: Pooky

I think Gamma is telling the truth. Pooky tried to kill me/Enchant who were on his wagon yesterday. Regardless of how the claims play out this is 1 anti town slot.

Thank you for explaining, Pooky:

bella can u stop defending yourself and focus on hunting down bad guyz

self meta defense is boring

killing bad guys is fun

i will not vote you or call you a hellbusser until day 4

If town!Pooky thinks unknown!Bella is getting defensive, why call out and shut down the spew?

both of them basically have shit interactions with lan molde and ghosting the thread not even pretending to solve

happy to kill either

I'm not impressed with this point because I thought lammolde spewed Roden as Town. I also just finished a game with scum!Roden and they were really proactive as scum in a really townsided setup and worked hard to dig their way out of a hole when their scum buddy Greeting got fragged D2 and I was scum casing them from like page 1. I guess I could see an argument that Greeting was coaching them so they overperformed, but Greeting didn't do all that great that game and I feel like Roden is way more likely to be Town who isn't all that into this game.

Can you elaborate why lammolde has shit interactions with roden and cakez? Also, how solvey is Cakez normally as Town? I've played like one game with them and they were Town and just said some random stuff and then flaked out.

1. cuz its a distraction, we dont need pages of bella going back to back with bbt about how she doesnt bus or whatever. it doesnt get us anywhere.

2. i havent read lanmoldes spew i just isoed cakez/roden.

Pooky TMI Bella and BBT are Town.

i would like get annoyed and rant but I realize I don't actually care because in multiball even if I get yeeted here, the SK will kill cakeboi at night for being obvscum because this town cant find a bad guy with a map

Lamist/theater

honestly I feel demotivated cuz im vt and this is multiball at 5-2-1 so if we lim VT the scum at 4-2-1 probly try to crosskill and if we lim scum then scum probly try to shoot town so its fine if i die i dont really give a fuck i just want to make sure scum understand they're supposed to be trying to shoot each other if we lim town today

Lamist/theater

stealing this from enchant

VOTE: BBT

cakez is obvscum and i cant believe he is somehow still alive smdh

can we just commit election fraud somehow

Pooky also hammers BBT (who was voting him) and wants the day to end asap. I stand by *some* of my takes yesterday in that I think Pooky is/was genuine in their read on Cakez.

[Frogsterking]

Is elimming in pooky/cakez a really bad idea?

Terrible

Eh, am I totally pocketed?

Definitely

[Frogsterking]

well I'm a doctor
I targeted Frog both nights because I felt like anything else was "too much of a fancy play", definitely should have thought more about my n2 action given enchant was also claimed going there but whatever
I do still trust Enchant, tho DV is in an interesting spot as atp there would need to be like 3 Ps in play for me, Enchant, and the alleged JK to be in play

I did just check tho and I would have stopped the kill outright had one targeted frogster tho so that's noteworthy

because I wasn't paying attention when I submitted my action

I thought this was sketch at first but Gamma just finished modding a game where they got distracted and killed the wrong target for the vig.

[Frogsterking]

remember the only people who know who did the nightkill on roden are mafia and the SK

frogster is speaking with CERTAINTY that the mafia kill is

not on roden which he can only have if he was the one who killed roden last night

Who said anything about a mafia kill

I think Gamma is telling the truth. Pooky tried to kill me/Enchant who were on his wagon yesterday.

Regardless of how the claims play out this is 1 anti town slot

.

POOKY SLIPPED AAAAHHHHH

[Frogsterking]

remember the only people who know who did the nightkill on roden are mafia and the SK

frogster is speaking with CERTAINTY that the mafia kill is

not on roden which he can only have if he was the one who killed roden last night

Who said anything about a mafia kill

I think Gamma is telling the truth. Pooky tried to kill me/Enchant who were on his wagon yesterday.

Regardless of how the claims play out this is 1 anti town slot

.

POOKY SLIPPED AAAAHHHHH

POOKY SLIPPED

POOKY SLIPPED

POOKY SLIPPED

POOKY SKIPPED

[Frogsterking]

remember the only people who know who did the nightkill on roden are mafia and the SK

frogster is speaking with CERTAINTY that the mafia kill is

not on roden which he can only have if he was the one who killed roden last night

Who said anything about a mafia kill

I think Gamma is telling the truth. Pooky tried to kill me/Enchant who were on his wagon yesterday.

Regardless of how the claims play out this is 1 anti town slot

.

POOKY SLIPPED AAAAHHHHH

Signal boosting my first legitimate scum slip ever caught.

Also @pooky's accusation of trying to curry favor with the doctor, yeah I'm guilty as charged

[Frogsterking]

I believe with

low certainty

that pooky hit correctly his first try on cakez by the way.

LOL

I have the presence of mind to underline the

low certainty

because I tinfoil so much.

did you forget you've been pushing me for being mafia that's sk hunting and bussing lanmolde and all the other horseshit you spewed yesterday lol

Clearly you didn't. Motivation for the NK right here.

At the time of writing 546 I thought you were some anti town role who was pissed at my tinfoil either way:

Pooky also hammers BBT (who was voting him) and wants the day to end asap. I stand by *some* of my takes yesterday in that I think Pooky is/was genuine in their read on Cakez.

You imagined what you wanted to see in 546 because you're looking for the SK. I think it's also a bad sign that you value my D2 tinfoil higher than I do because I think it implies that you know it has some value.

PEdit:

You're wrong about the SK by the way, I suspect your first guess on Cakez was correct.

[Frogsterking]

I feel like stating that I believe Gamma's claim helps facilitate a chain link later? I already said Enchant was Town core for me and claimed VT. I'm not saying I had thought of that (I hadn't), but we didn't talk about night stuff yet.

PEdig
UNVOTE: Pooky

[Frogsterking]

I have something to say, pls don't vote anyone (unvote better)

Are you going to say it now or wait for Mala to claim?

[Frogsterking]

Crier line

___________

[Frogsterking]

so has to be strongman sk shoot thru deasvail bg if deasvail is telling truth

Ahhh, I didn’t realise the SK could be strongman

After all that, Pooky flips SK

[Frogsterking]

If we kill SK today, mafia will most likely concede, as it's like 1% percent win for them. So we need to do so. Somehow.

That explains a lot actually (Pooky's OMGUS onto me.) He had to pivot onto me off of Cakez to avoid auto loss.

My solve for the VTs are

Pooky groupscum
Mala groupscum
Frog VT
Bella VT
Cakez SK

I'm pretty confident but I'll wait like 12 hours or w.e

[Frogsterking]

11. Mafia Goon - Deus
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer - Gamma Emerald

Gamma what is your SK game called?

[Frogsterking]

literally

Please

[Frogsterking]

frogster sk trapped himself in a prison of his own lies

thought he was going to cakewalk to a win with all the town protectives on him but now malding

I'm feeling pretty good about this gamestate, thanks for asking though.

[Frogsterking]

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89712

Gamma Emerald, I am a dead fish apparently (according to others). Read newbie 2097 dead chat, Bell called me a blockhead and dense!

your responses to me feel pensive tho, like you don't wanna give too much away

LMAO SHADE

Furtiveglance probably deserved what Bell said based on my game w/ him.

Bell told me that I don't have genuine compassion for other people, though he took it back and tried to help w/ my vulnerability to manipulation.

PEdit

I would be down to look at a Bella SK game because I mostly Towncore them due to being divergent from my experience with scum!Bella in LOST D1.

[Frogsterking]

Gamma's SK game is full of SHADE, example in 611.

This is the closest stuff I can find:

VOTE: Lammolde
Why does your gut say it’s Frog?

I just read the roster and got bad vibes from his name i guess. You can get a townie point for pushing things along. Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.

I kinda town read this

Though I do think Frog is fine for now

closest roden has been to engaging/addressing me at all
so like, clearly not talking about roden

I can't not see Bella's posts as fishing for a sus on me, which I hella dislike

Ftr he hasn’t told in either direction yet but my impression is a lack of tells from Cakez early is scum-indicative

I'd argue I think this is town!Gamma sorting rather than SHADE

[Frogsterking]

If we kill SK today, mafia will most likely concede, as it's like 1% percent win for them. So we need to do so. Somehow.

That explains a lot actually (Pooky's OMGUS onto me.) He had to pivot onto me off of Cakez to avoid auto loss.

My solve for the VTs are

Pooky groupscum
Mala groupscum
Frog VT
Bella VT
Cakez SK

I'm pretty confident but I'll wait like 12 hours or w.e

VOTE: Cakez

Okay I stand by this with

moderate

certainty. The fact that Pooky pushed Cakez so hard yesterday makes me think they aren't paired.

[Frogsterking]

Any other things I should look at?

VCA. That's something I relied on Titus for in the TFT game. I feel like it's also where I'm most likely to have missed something in this game.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Frogsterking

@people voting Cakez, why Cakez over Mala?

Dease:

I don't believe you understand the part where scum!Pooky has to shift the vote OFF the SK today in order to keep any chance at winning the game.

Pooky's SK pool is Bella and I because he townreads both of us and can't allow the SK to be eliminated. Also, because it's unlikely Bella or I busses lammolde D1, that means we are unlikely to be groupscum, which means FYPOV we are less likely to be trying to MISLEAD you AWAY from the SK which the groupscum MUST do or they will face auto loss.

That said: your ideology of the gamestate is completely backwards that "scum!Pooky is still trying to find the SK."

Yes, scum!Pooky may be trying to find the SK, but he's not trying to help YOU find the SK because then scum!Pooky is in autoloss.

__

FMPOV, I agree with you that Mala is scummy as shit and I want to vote her.

My problem with this is that in order for the SK!Mala theory to be true then I have to believe Pooky bussed Cakez on D2 or Bella bussed lammolde D1, and I don't believe either of those are particularly likely, which is why I believe voting Mala will net us a groupscum kill but it won't net us an autowin.

PEdit

Thank God [gifv][/gifv]

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Cakez

This is Town autowin I think

[Frogsterking]

My reads were right I am the best player

/my reads were wrong I am the worst player

Not good. I'll take a step back.

PEdit shut up Pooky

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Bella

Everyone who do you think is mafia and why and who is SK and why?

Bella is SK because they're snowing Dease and they set up lammolde D1. Pooky + Mala are groupscum because they're playing like a team. AFAIK kill SK; win game because of circular protection.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: pooky

[Frogsterking]

Well played to everyone. Just wanna give a last chance to convince me to vote even though I probably won’t but maybe there is a case out there

I do have a case, actually.

[Frogsterking]

It depends.

Ngl I kinda was pissed but I guess I’m over it

I feel like all three teams in of itself deserves to win

The closest we can get to that is a draw between mafia and SK.

[Frogsterking]

Those are of course options and the ones you would like us to consider. However, there is a cleaner option available. If Mala and I have some trust and there is no bad blood between us, mafia and SK can draw together by voting no-lim and overkilling Math tonight.

[Frogsterking]

Those are of course options and the ones you would like us to consider. However, there is a cleaner option available. If Mala and I have some trust and there is no bad blood between us, mafia and SK can draw together by voting no-lim and overkilling Math tonight.

Lol that results in an SK win. Nice try. I applaud you.

I asked the mod about win cons.

I thought 1 maf + 1 SK is a draw?

[Frogsterking]

If we all agree draw we can draw there’s usually some rule for it.

I'd agree to draw.

[Frogsterking]

Those are of course options and the ones you would like us to consider. However, there is a cleaner option available. If Mala and I have some trust and there is no bad blood between us, mafia and SK can draw together by voting no-lim and overkilling Math tonight.

Lol that results in an SK win. Nice try. I applaud you.

I asked the mod about win cons.

I thought 1 maf + 1 SK is a draw?

@mod

Can we get verification on this?

[Frogsterking]

Okay whatever VOTE: Math

Sorry Math, Mala is cute and I'm not built for diplomacy.

[Frogsterking]

Why not, she could push me

If you were a Vig, then you'd be confirmed town and she couldn't push you

PE: Maybe my view of the game is just the odd one out

It's possible I'm the odd one out as well, I'm on tilt right now.

I feel like you've got your finger on the pulse of this game tbh.

Roden died because of this comment. It made me paranoid and suspicious about what he knew.