Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Game Over !

[Roden]

VOTE: Junko

[Roden]

Enchant vs Gamma feels TvT tbh.

[Roden]

I think this is something Gamma would react to as either alignment

what feels tvt about it

I don't think Gamma comes out swinging at the start of the game if he's scum. I think it's more likely that it's something he'd work his way up to.

Enchant is likely town because he's playing the exact opposite as he did in the last PYP when he was scum.

[Roden]

I picked 1 because I thought everyone else would second guess their way out of it.

I played in a pyp a looooong time ago and the town used some big brain method to determine scum based on numbers. It was slightly different as we drafted two numbers. One of you big brains can probably figure it out although it may have required some pregaming. All I know is I felt like town had esp and got me dead just based on the number I picked.

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Enchant always picks 1

I think this is something Gamma would react to as either alignment

what feels tvt about it

I don't think Gamma comes out swinging at the start of the game if he's scum. I think it's more likely that it's something he'd work his way up to.

what is this based on

Based on experience with playing with you in the past. Early aggression isn't outside of your scum range, but I don't see any motivation for you to do it as scum this game. Like if you wanted to emulate your town game, sure, but the aggression itself is NAI, so I think it's natural. And I think when you fake aggression it isn't always believable, so I really don't see what scum!you gains from trying to fake it so early here. It's good enough for me to want to set you aside as town, at least for today.

VOTE: Roden

Can you explain the point of this vote?

[Roden]

VOTE: enchant

I don’t think that’s true tbh. Stop being more useless than me and maybe try actually answering and see what happens though.

What's the issue with Enchant here? I feel like he's Doing Things^TM right now.

[Roden]

NM making exactly one post and then fucking off means he probably isn't having fun. Which could mean he can't troll anyone in a scum PT, so slight +town.

[Roden]

I'D SAY PORKENS, ENCHANT AND JUNKO ARE TOWN. PENGUIN IS NULL CLOSER TO TOWN, DANNFLOR IS NULL CLOSER TO SCUM. GAMMA IS SCUM.

What's the reason for Junko town?

VOTE: NK15

[Roden]

Spoiler: Content

But for real, either stop with the targeting or explain yourself

Well as i said i won't vote any of "masons" today for sure.

I also won't vote Rosen.

There's also specific members which i don't want to vote for example NM (also how NM and ... Which this one they both sumbitted 14 together i forgot nickname whatever)

Therefore randomly (not really) i picked you


Now selfvote

BASED OFF THE DRAFT I'D SAY ONE

OR BOTH

OF GAMMA/DANNFLOR + PENGUIN/JOHNNY/KITTY ARE SCUM. IF THIS DRAFT SYSTEM HAS BEEN RUN BEFORE I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT NUMBERS WERE CHOSEN BY SCUM IN THE PAST.

Wait what

Where you get this idea from, why scum would pick same number as teammates

To encourage enchant to talk about the gamestate.

Hey i supposed to be blind idiot, why you ask me?

Fairly i "think" gamestate is easy, if mafia are greedy for power as i think.

I would nudge people with higher numbers. Not because they mafia. Just because why not.

Then depends.

Fuck if i knew, I didn't need you all and won solo.

I already said. NUDGE PPL WITH HIGH PICKS.

For example i nudged Gamma not just because it's hilarious, but because 2 fits.

Now can you tell me what your issue with Enchant is please?

[Roden]

Spoiler: Content

But for real, either stop with the targeting or explain yourself

Well as i said i won't vote any of "masons" today for sure.

I also won't vote Rosen.

There's also specific members which i don't want to vote for example NM (also how NM and ... Which this one they both sumbitted 14 together i forgot nickname whatever)

Therefore randomly (not really) i picked you


Now selfvote

BASED OFF THE DRAFT I'D SAY ONE

OR BOTH

OF GAMMA/DANNFLOR + PENGUIN/JOHNNY/KITTY ARE SCUM. IF THIS DRAFT SYSTEM HAS BEEN RUN BEFORE I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT NUMBERS WERE CHOSEN BY SCUM IN THE PAST.

Wait what

Where you get this idea from, why scum would pick same number as teammates

To encourage enchant to talk about the gamestate.

Hey i supposed to be blind idiot, why you ask me?

Fairly i "think" gamestate is easy, if mafia are greedy for power as i think.

I would nudge people with higher numbers. Not because they mafia. Just because why not.

Then depends.

Fuck if i knew, I didn't need you all and won solo.

I already said. NUDGE PPL WITH HIGH PICKS.

For example i nudged Gamma not just because it's hilarious, but because 2 fits.

Now can you tell me what your issue with Enchant is please?

Not answering me?

I feel like that was SUPER obvious.

He did answer you though? Do you mean that you just didn't like the answer?

[Roden]

Can you explain the point of this vote?

I thought you were the most likely to be scum at this point

Is this your first time playing in this set up?

[Roden]

Can you explain the point of this vote?

I thought you were the most likely to be scum at this point

Is this your first time playing in this set up?

yes, why is this relevant

What role do you think the player at the top of the draft should always take?

[Roden]

Can you explain the point of this vote?

I thought you were the most likely to be scum at this point

Is this your first time playing in this set up?

yes, why is this relevant

What role do you think the player at the top of the draft should always take?

I have not given it much thought

I could see an argument for a lot of things

but I don't see it how it matters when you can just as easily be scum no matter your role

I don't believe this thought process.

why does my page 5 scum read bother you so

"why me"

VOTE: Dann

[Roden]

No one thinks Gamma town and this kinda strange.

Or people really don't care to answer my questions. Or no one cares.

I do.

[Roden]

Are you always this robotic?

No, I am angry.

Cool.

Cool, found another TvT.

[Roden]

Roden what's your read on Porkens

Zero town pings.

[Roden]

No one thinks Gamma town and this kinda strange.

Or people really don't care to answer my questions. Or no one cares.

I do.

Why.

I answered this early on.

I picked 1 because I thought everyone else would second guess their way out of it.

I played in a pyp a looooong time ago and the town used some big brain method to determine scum based on numbers. It was slightly different as we drafted two numbers. One of you big brains can probably figure it out although it may have required some pregaming. All I know is I felt like town had esp and got me dead just based on the number I picked.

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Enchant always picks 1

I think this is something Gamma would react to as either alignment

what feels tvt about it

I don't think Gamma comes out swinging at the start of the game if he's scum. I think it's more likely that it's something he'd work his way up to.

what is this based on

Based on experience with playing with you in the past. Early aggression isn't outside of your scum range, but I don't see any motivation for you to do it as scum this game. Like if you wanted to emulate your town game, sure, but the aggression itself is NAI, so I think it's natural. And I think when you fake aggression it isn't always believable, so I really don't see what scum!you gains from trying to fake it so early here. It's good enough for me to want to set you aside as town, at least for today.

VOTE: Roden

Can you explain the point of this vote?

[Roden]

@Roden

what are your thoughts on the current gamestate

Initial thoughts were that it feels stale, but votes have actually been moving around a lot and I think there's been a fair bit of aggression in trying to get certain players eliminated. I think the wagons getting pushed are town lead for the most part.

[Roden]

Junko constantly self-voting and deploying is AtE is uh not great. Feels more scum manipulative than town manipulative since I don't think the frustration seems natural from a townie perspective. I'm fine voting there unless people want to wait before we the end the day.

[Roden]

What makes Roden so town?

Weird question to ask right now when Junko is flailing and you seem to be fine with an elim there.

[Roden]

I really just want to talk to NSG before EoD but I won't be like, distraught, if someone hammers before them

I get there's not a lot of motivation right now

I'm fine with waiting then.

[Roden]

Pretty sure Gamma is too burnt out as scum from Lost to put in this much effort but I don't think I can really convince anyone of that

Porkens and Bear chainsawing me is interesting

[Roden]

Pretty sure Gamma is too burnt out as scum from Lost to put in this much effort if he were scum again, but I don't think I can really convince anyone of that

Porkens and Bear chainsawing me is interesting

Edited for clarity

[Roden]

Mine

[Roden]

RODEN WHY IS MY INTUITION TELLING ME TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT YOUR ISO? IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T USUALLY ACCUSE PLAYERS OF CHAINSAWING D1 WHEN YOU'RE TOWN?

RODEN WHY IS MY INTUITION TELLING ME TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT YOUR ISO? IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T USUALLY ACCUSE PLAYERS OF CHAINSAWING D1 WHEN YOU'RE TOWN?

BECAUSE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR EARLY READS IS NOT TOWN AI FOR YOU AT ALL. SO SAYING THAT I'M CHAINSAWING YOU PINGS ME QUITE A BIT.

[Roden]

Bear it's kind of annoying that you're trying to meta read me here while hiding behind an alt, because you're kinda just wrong here. But I don't know if you're wrong because you didn't play in those games where I have had confidence in my early reads or if you're just lying.

[Roden]

Doesn't really answer anything, so I guess you're admitting you lied about your meta read?

[Roden]

Bear it's kind of annoying that you're trying to meta read me here while hiding behind an alt, because you're kinda just wrong here. But I don't know if you're wrong because you didn't play in those games where I have had confidence in my early reads or if you're just lying.

There's a pretty implicit question here.

[Roden]

Bear it's kind of annoying that you're trying to meta read me here while hiding behind an alt, because you're kinda just wrong here. But I don't know if you're wrong because you didn't play in those games where I have had confidence in my early reads or if you're just lying.

There's a pretty implicit question here.

IT'S NOT REALLY AMBIGUOUS, YOU ARE PLAYING IN YOUR SCUM META AND YOU KNOW IT. MY IDENTITY IS IRRELEVANT. I'M NOT OFFENDED THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACT COY OR WHATEVER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS IN THIS SITUATION. YOUR ISO LOOKS TERRIBLE ANYWAY EVEN WITHOUT CRUTCHING META. THE ONLY REASON YOU AREN'T GETTING WAGONED YET IS BECAUSE YOU WERE TOP OF THE DRAFT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A BAD REASON NOT TO VOTE YOU BECAUSE THAT ALSO MEANS YOU HAVE A PR ROLE FOR THE SCUM TEAM.

You keep on saying I'm playing in my scum meta but you aren't really giving any examples, if you think "just trust me bro" is a good enough case then just say that instead of pretending you understand how I play the game.

[Roden]

Here's a game where I had confident early reads as town: CultD3

Here's another: Mini 2276

A game where I explicitly comment about how I'm too often too confident in my reads before then making confident early reads: GnG Upick

I explicitly avoided linking games where I just tunneled because I don't think that's the same as me having a confident read, but these games are recent enough to be relevant for my meta. Either way Bear I think you're just full of shit here.

[Roden]

Why are you shouting?

This is gimmick on gimmick violence

[Roden]

Here's a game where I had confident early reads as town: CultD3

Here's another: Mini 2276

A game where I explicitly comment about how I'm too often too confident in my reads before then making confident early reads: GnG Upick

I explicitly avoided linking games where I just tunneled because I don't think that's the same as me having a confident read, but these games are recent enough to be relevant for my meta. Either way Bear I think you're just full of shit here.

MY FIRST THOUGHT IS THAT YOU PLAY A BUNCH OF WEIRD THEME GAMES (WHERE THE THEME MAY ALTER YOUR PLAYSTYLE) AND YOU CHERRY PICKED THREE GAMES TO "DISPROVE" ME.

I LOOKED AT THE OTHER UPICK GAME AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITY IN YOUR D1 PLAY.

I WILL GET SOME SLEEP AND LOOK MORE AT THE FIRST TWO LINKS THOUGH.

"weird theme games"

What do you think this current game is...?

[Roden]

VOTE: NSG

Seems like she's trying to wait out the elim. NK15 feels pretty clearly town.

[Roden]

She’s past prod so I’m not sure how thats your determination.

That's...how waiting out an elim works.

Would also love to hear your rationale on NK15 being town here.

Why? What makes you think my case is worth listening to when you dismissed Gamma's fairly extensive case?

[Roden]

NK15 was already hammered by porkens.

Why did you ask for my town case then?

Also if that was hammer then Porkens needs to come under heavy suspicion tomorrow for hammering without a claim.

[Roden]

VOTE: NSG

[Roden]

No, i won't assume it to be cop check.

It isn't a Cop check, but I wanted it to look like one.

VOTE: NSG

But like why tho? They were moments from being replaced, I don't think the inactivity was malicious

She avoided the entire end of day and had no real involvement with the elim. She could just be busy, but she confirmed she was still playing pretty quickly when she was going to be replaced. It seems tactical to wait until the mod gave the "X player is being replaced" message, like she didn't want it to look like she waited until the Day ended to confirm, but thought it looked better if she confirmed herself at the last possible minute. And now a full 24 hours has gone by and she still isn't here and hasn't posted anything, which doesn't make sense with her last minute confirmation that she was still around and the implied promise that she was going to post. I could maybe buy it if she was no effort all game, but when she was around her content was actually pretty good and she looked townie, so the six straight days of no posts doesn't really add up without some kind of ulterior motive.

I think she isn't posting because she's frozen scum who has no idea what to post right now. A townie who sees me blank vote them at the immediate start of day knows that I don't have a guilty Cop check on them and should have no problem posting. But scum has to play it differently depending on whether or not I actually have a guilty result; if I have a guilty then they need to set their team up to win (fake claim a PR, create false associations, make anti-partnery posts, anti-spew, etc.). But if I don't have a result then they know they can still survive and have to play like they knew I didn't have a guilty result. NSG doesn't seem to know which is the correct path here and is waiting for me to announce my result or lack thereof, which I feel just means she has a scummy mindset.

Even if you think I'm wrong and none of that is AI, she still completely missed out on the elim and how it went down, and hasn't posted for six days. At the very least, NSG should still come under pressure for that until she starts giving content. I don't think her early posts are enough to continue to town read her at this point.

[Roden]

Picks. People who tried for Doctor/RB (and any role if we speak) but failed, knew there's doctor higher in order.

I'm not suggesting that we do this right now, but a draft claim roll call would probably catch at least one scum if we keep this in mind. Mass claim on Day 3 might be optimal.

[Roden]

Probably will ask something stupid but by NSG who you mean?

northsidegal

Yep.

[Roden]

Slightly related but Junko is very likely town if NSG flips red. Their interactions with each other don't feel partnered, and scum!NSG dipping out when Junko is about to be voted out doesn't make much sense if Junko is also scum. If it's a bus then it's a really awkward bus.

EDIT: Maybe you could vote SIDE or GAL then?

[Roden]

Hey Roden why nsg first and not Porkens?

They can both be scum. Porkens isn't doing much to scum hunt and seems more focused on defending themself. I only voted NSG first to see what would happen.

[Roden]

Because I’m town. Therefore bad reads.

My scumhunting lead to an elimination. The fact that I was wrong is moot. You can’t say I’m not trying to scumhunt.

Nsg is just better than this. I’m not going to scumread her for it. This is abnormal in my experience.

What was the extent of your scum hunting beyond stealth hammering NK15 without asking for a claim? What has your scum hunting amounted to today? Because so far all you've done is ask two people to explain why they're voting you, and when they did you didn't respond to them and instead voted Yume without giving an explanation for it.

[Roden]

Junko constantly self-voting and deploying is AtE is uh not great. Feels more scum manipulative than town manipulative since I don't think the frustration seems natural from a townie perspective. I'm fine voting there unless people want to wait before we the end the day.

This reasoning doesn’t feel substantive to me. Am I alone in this feeling?

I’m leaning townchan.

What happened to this? What changed?

[Roden]

Can you quote the post where you directly responded to Junko's explanation for their vote?

[Roden]

Excuse me for not being paragon of scumhunting today I am having to play defensive because people are performática pearl clutching about hammering someone ECERYONE thought was scum.

Why do you feel the need to play defensive when you only have two votes?

I don't think you're even playing defensive tbh. It's more like you're just trying to discredit people.

[Roden]

Uh...

[Roden]

Roden, have you played with NSG before

I don't think I have unless it was with a mystery alt. If you're asking if I'm taking meta into account, no I'm not.

I feel like I shouldn't be town reading Penguin so hard but I'm finding it hard not to be pocketed by the absolutely incredulous tone he has in every single post

Agreed, Penguin feels locktown.

[Roden]

Also I'm not gonna vote Gamma today barring something wild

Johnny can you elaborate on this like you elaborated on your read of me that one time

The two things that jump to mind when thinking about Gamma's position in this game are

1) The way their wagon rose and fell yesterday feels natural to me

2) I don't think scum hears whoever say "yeah scum prolly tried for Bear's role and didn't get it" and goes YEAH I DID THAT out loud in the thread

This is a good point actually.

[Roden]

I don't buy Porkens' claim. 10th place in the draft wouldn't be able to get a PR that's as coveted as a Vig shot.

VOTE: Porkens

[Roden]

I holstered because I thought it would be more helpful to the town not to fungun night 1. Just didn’t feel confident in my reads enough. Just wasn’t feeling it.

Oh sure I thought about it, but I like shooting scum more than town lurkers so I was waiting for more info.

Thjs is the same player who impulse hammered NK15 without a claim.

[Roden]

I don't buy Porkens' claim. 10th place in the draft wouldn't be able to get a PR that's as coveted as a Vig shot.

VOTE: Porkens

I mean - it's self-resolving. Scum doesn't have a roleblocker.

Unfortunately we can't really guarantee that because of the Universal Backup. Unless it's alignment locked I guess, might need that confirmed. But a scum JK can also exist.

[Roden]

I holstered because I thought it would be more helpful to the town not to fungun night 1. Just didn’t feel confident in my reads enough. Just wasn’t feeling it.

Oh sure I thought about it, but I like shooting scum more than town lurkers so I was waiting for more info.

Thjs is the same player who impulse hammered NK15 without a claim.

More pearl clutching. Is this performative? Are you

really

that indignant that protocol was not followed on nk15? You think as scum I’d be that excited about a questionable value miselim?

It’s better to let me shoot my shot, regardless. If I get jkd at least I’m sucking that up.

It's not pearl clutching, you can stop trying to reframe my posts now.

The point of bringing up the hammer is that you're very clearly impulsive and don't really care who you kill. Before NK15, you were willing to kill Penguin when he was getting wagon'd, but you never gave a reason for why you scum read him. So now we're supposed to believe you're suddenly a thoughtful and reserved player who doesn't shoot people the first chance you get?

Vig claim doesn't make you town even if you were telling the truth, scum can still take the Vig shot and kill town tonight. You're not even claiming who you plan to shoot, which should've been the first thing you did after claiming since town should be using the threat of a Vig shot to pressure their scum reads and avoid hitting town PRs. Instead, you're just using your claim to try to defuse pressure on your wagon.

Hypothetical worst case scenario: you're town telling the truth but get blocked tonight. Scum try to shoot me because they know I'm not a PGO and manage to succeed. What exactly is meant to happen tomorrow? What makes you town?

[Roden]

We playing what ifs now?

Let's just leash them?

Why?

[Roden]

roden what exactly is the problem if we leash porkens tonight and revisit this tomorrow

I guess worst case scenario porkens uses his vig to take out someone town read like Penguin but then we just have conf scum

I don't really think I have much of a choice but to openly say this, huh?

Porkens has more or less counter claimed me. Scum didn't know whether or not I made the safe choice in picking Ascetic Cop, or the gambit choice in picking PGO to bait the kill. By claiming early and unprompted, town!Porkens has told scum that I'm not PGO because they actually took that draft pick. And despite knowing that I'm most likely Ascetic Cop, they're still choosing to shade me and throw a fit every time I talk to them. They should be asking me for my Cop check if they actually think I'm scum, but they aren't. This is objectively anti-town play.

From my perspective, I had to hard push Porkens or else I spewed that I'm not PGO. I considered bluffing and counter claiming here, but the hero play doesn't feel worth it if everyone is so against suspecting Porkens in the first place. Game state suggests that most people believe that Porkens is more likely to be a scum-siding townie than actually just scum.

[Roden]

This is all info scum already had btw. If Porkens is town, then scum know they're true claiming and that I'm not PGO. If Porkens is scum, this was an indirect counter claim, and because I didn't immediately claim PGO they know I didn't pick that.

Also, since the Roleblocker flipped first, the Universal Backup can't become an Ascetic Cop now. That's why I think Porkens is just scum who's trying to gambit here do scum knows if they can shoot me tonight.

[Roden]

Besides all that, Porkens

still

isn't scum hunting and has been in anti-spew mode all day.

[Roden]

We all just going to keep claiming?

This is all info scum already had btw. If Porkens is town, then scum know they're true claiming and that I'm not PGO. If Porkens is scum, this was an indirect counter claim, and because I didn't immediately claim PGO they know I didn't pick that.

Also, since the Roleblocker flipped first, the Universal Backup can't become an Ascetic Cop now. That's why I think Porkens is just scum who's trying to gambit here so scum knows if they can shoot me tonight.

[Roden]

porkens big overreaction to like 2 votes but I don't necessarily think that's Scummy

seems probably bad to claim vig as scum?

Yeah I'd think scum wouldn't be so brash. Especially with an autoconfirm role like vigi.

Scum can pick Vig in the draft + scum have Multitasking. It doesn't actually confirm anything.

[Roden]

I never even considered what your pick was most likely rodan. But it looks like you understand I’m town now.

Did you get a result last night as coo?

Really? Even though you had a conversation where you asked why I wasn't getting voted and Dann told you why?

What makes Roden so town?

who said roden was town

I dunno everyone not voting him?

I think we can revisit Roden tomorrow

there's a reason I didn't mention him in my reads list

[Roden]

Why did you claim so early Porkens?

[Roden]

Junko constantly self-voting and deploying is AtE is uh not great. Feels more scum manipulative than town manipulative since I don't think the frustration seems natural from a townie perspective. I'm fine voting there unless people want to wait before we the end the day.

This reasoning doesn’t feel substantive to me. Am I alone in this feeling?

I’m leaning townchan.

What happened to this? What changed?

Can you quote the post where you directly responded to Junko's explanation for their vote?

Excuse me for not being paragon of scumhunting today I am having to play defensive because people are performática pearl clutching about hammering someone ECERYONE thought was scum.

Why do you feel the need to play defensive when you only have two votes?

I don't think you're even playing defensive tbh. It's more like you're just trying to discredit people.

Feel free to respond to these posts as well.

[Roden]

Hey Roden if you was PRESUMING ascetic cop

Who you would target n1

I'll answer this in a bit, I want to give the game state some time to develop first.

[Roden]

Town

Gamma
Penguin
Enchant
NM
Dann
Junko
Roden
Yume
NSG
Kitty

Scum

VOTE: Kitty

Hell yeah

Everybody below Dann on my list is a shot you could do and I wouldn't be mad, Porkens.

I was actually making a shoot here list. Even if it was a readslist I think there like a 60% chance Porkens solves themselves today so I don't wanna waste the spell slots thinking about them

Wait, why am I in your "shoot here" list?

[Roden]

What made you change your read?

[Roden]

Like last I remember was that you were really trying to sell your town read on me and how unique it was.

[Roden]

I checked Penguin, he's a weak spot in my read range and he seemed like he was fairly influential D1. I figured either I'd catch a deep wolf or we would have a strong player conftown'd and around for a couple days. He came back as town.

I considered checking Gamma, but I felt confident in my read there. Checking NSG seemed pointless if she wasn't going to be around and I thought there was a chance she could be Vig'd anyway. Porkens would've been my second choice for a check, but I figured we could make them readable from vote pressure in the end. No one else felt like a notable enough choice for a Cop check at the time.

[Roden]

Scum slip?

Scum slip?

@1275

*a question directed at rodan about johnnys post

Not sure what you mean.

[Roden]

I don't think you'd just forget about your read on me, it was one of your more notable reads and it got brought up more than once. I just didn't know how you went from "this is town" to "shoot this maybe" when we didn't really interact much.

[Roden]

Thanks for your help. Yume, since my predecessor is currently voting you and nothing in your ISO stood out to me as particularly townie, can you give me some reads?

Well, sure. *clears throat* In a land far, far away, a farm boy fell in love with a goldfish that lived in the pond next to his house. This goldfish had a secret of her own, however. At night, she could turn into a human, but at noon, she would turn back into a goldfish. So the two spent the time they could spend together in each other's company. But then a sorceress came and told them she would lift the curse, but in exchange, they would have to give their third-born to her. Well, they fulfilled their end of the bargain, and she promptly cooked and ate the child while they watched.

Yume...do you actually want to play in this game?

[Roden]

Star seems pretty townie so far, I think NSG was just busy IRL.

Funny, I think both of you are scum.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

I've changed my mind about Porkens.

[Roden]

if it's kitty/nsg + like yume or nm I will throw myself into the abyss

It feels way too easy, but if all the noise all game has been coming from town then it kinda makes sense.

I still like my hero solve

Ngl I don't think it's a bad solve. I still think Gamma is town, but I had a sense of paranoia during Day 1 that both Gamma and Johnny could be trying to play around me so I wouldn't suspect them. Mainly because Gamma mentioned in a previous game's scum PT that he knows how to/what generally works.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

I've changed my mind about Porkens.

Why?

I actually did a little while ago but wanted to see what Star would say before I made that public. I think Star and Kitty have scummy associatives and Porkens doesn't really fit in a team there. Some stuff Porkens said recently resonated with me and made a few thoughts in my head click.

I also have a couple angle shooty thoughts buzzing in my head that I don't think I can or should say. One of them is that I think I know who Star is, who I won't alt out, but if I'm right I'm pretty sure they're in their damage control meta.

[Roden]

Johnny and Freddy are in the same tier though...?

[Roden]

Kind of an awful time to have cold feet on Star tbh

[Roden]

Can we get you to confirm that you understand who we want you to shoot, Porkens?

[Roden]

Yeah I just wanted that in writing to avoid potential shenanigans tomorrow.

[Roden]

Also unrelated but I highly recommend that the draft claims happen tomorrow, starting from the bottom of the draft picks and going up the list.

[Roden]

Kind of an awful time to have cold feet on Star tbh

Roden can you explain your Star meta read to me?

I can't without alt outing, sorry.

[Roden]

Oof, my gut was right D1, I don't think I could've gotten there were I still alive though

GG and thanks for modding Pooky

[Roden]

Subject: PYP Spec Chat

Also NM obviously trolls you

You’re saying he’s trolling me with the Kitty thing? I honestly can’t say I’ve ever been trolled by him before.

Oof, ok she might be scum after all. NM hard trolled her in a game a few months back, Enchant and I were both in that game. It's an unnecessary lie as town, and I doubt she would've forgotten about it either since I remember it really upset her at the time. I wonder if NM and Enchant remember and if they'll bring it up.

I have no clue what you’re referring to here Roden? Please refresh my memory.

I’m gobsmacked that so many people thought it was me until I didn’t hammer. I was beyond bleeding obvtown here. Dann’s scumgame has gotten so good if this is any indication, I don’t know if I’ll ever feel confident in tr after this game.

Actually I think I remember now but NM didn’t actually troll me, he deathtunnelled me because he wrongly sr either my opening or second post.

Roden, I don’t lie about shit like that as any alignment. I thought NM seemed more sincere in that game. It seemed no one in the dead thread but Junko thought it was Dann, so I wasn’t the only one fooled.

Didn't think you'd just forgotten about it tbh.