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So if I follow I am the public noble.
I have done a quick skim but am separate from my notes.
Will comment later.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Can you go into why you suspect these players so I can check my notes later?In post 849, Herta wrote:Eiralox PBE or Meg.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?In post 854, Polar Bear Express wrote:Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm
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So thanks NM is probably trolling.
With the recent vig game where he had the trolliest legit claim I had to check since I don’t have a voyeur I can read him with.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?In post 863, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..In post 859, MathBlade wrote:
I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?In post 854, Polar Bear Express wrote:Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm
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HEAL: Mega
Maybe better.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?In post 867, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.In post 866, MathBlade wrote:
Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?In post 863, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..In post 859, MathBlade wrote:
I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?In post 854, Polar Bear Express wrote:Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm
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HEAL: Mega
Maybe better.
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I mean this is something I can verify when I get off work just #lazyScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I honestly would love a direct list.In post 870, Polar Bear Express wrote:
No one CC’d Enchant but that’s obviously not the same as an elected noble, which you and NM are. But I think he’s probably telling the truth about that since he wasn’t CC’d. With Eira and NM it’s less clear. But because it’s NM, the odds of Eira telling the truth about being HN are higher because NM trolls.In post 868, MathBlade wrote:
Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?In post 867, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.In post 866, MathBlade wrote:
Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?In post 863, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..In post 859, MathBlade wrote:
I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?In post 854, Polar Bear Express wrote:Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm
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HEAL: Mega
Maybe better.
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Because it might be to DA’s advantage to claim nobled when they weren’t.
Then compare against VC totals and see which claims are verified.
Then actual DA pool is in not verified and never claimed
We probably still elim in never claimed but always trust but verify,ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Care to explain why?In post 876, Not_Mafia wrote:Herta's kinda obvscum hereScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 879, Polar Bear Express wrote:
If you can figure out the VCs, I think there’s a way to tell because HN vote counts but isn’t listed.In post 875, MathBlade wrote:
I honestly would love a direct list.In post 870, Polar Bear Express wrote:
No one CC’d Enchant but that’s obviously not the same as an elected noble, which you and NM are. But I think he’s probably telling the truth about that since he wasn’t CC’d. With Eira and NM it’s less clear. But because it’s NM, the odds of Eira telling the truth about being HN are higher because NM trolls.In post 868, MathBlade wrote:
Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?In post 867, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.In post 866, MathBlade wrote:
Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?In post 863, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..In post 859, MathBlade wrote:
I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?In post 854, Polar Bear Express wrote:Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm
~Nancy
HEAL: Mega
Maybe better.
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Because it might be to DA’s advantage to claim nobled when they weren’t.
Then compare against VC totals and see which claims are verified.
Then actual DA pool is in not verified and never claimed
We probably still elim in never claimed but always trust but verify,
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I believe they are only confirmed not DA.In post 878, MegAzumarill wrote:So PBE, Eira, ?NM? and Enchant claim to be hidden nobles?
And hidden nobles must be town?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s more look at the last day’s VCs.In post 879, Polar Bear Express wrote:
If you can figure out the VCs, I think there’s a way to tell because HN vote counts but isn’t listed.In post 875, MathBlade wrote:
I honestly would love a direct list.In post 870, Polar Bear Express wrote:
No one CC’d Enchant but that’s obviously not the same as an elected noble, which you and NM are. But I think he’s probably telling the truth about that since he wasn’t CC’d. With Eira and NM it’s less clear. But because it’s NM, the odds of Eira telling the truth about being HN are higher because NM trolls.In post 868, MathBlade wrote:
Why do you say claimed? Are you not sure of it?In post 867, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Everyone other than Mega, Herta have either been elected or claimed noble. Enchant claimed HN and wasn’t CC’d but both NM and Eiralox claimed HN yesterday.In post 866, MathBlade wrote:
Is there a list somewhere of who has been noble?In post 863, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I didn’t mentioned NM in this post but both he and Eiralox claimed hidden noble yesterday. If Eiralox was telling the truth, than DA would have to be Mega unless I’m wrong about Herta..In post 859, MathBlade wrote:
I take it then you’re suggesting NM is trolling?In post 854, Polar Bear Express wrote:Lol. I’m a hidden noble. Enchant tried to push me really hard as DA last day. Hmmmm
~Nancy
HEAL: Mega
Maybe better.
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Because it might be to DA’s advantage to claim nobled when they weren’t.
Then compare against VC totals and see which claims are verified.
Then actual DA pool is in not verified and never claimed
We probably still elim in never claimed but always trust but verify,
~N
If there were enough people to hammer without hidden noble then it’s possible hidden noble is lying if off wagon.
Mainly it’s math I have to do after work.
But if day 6 needed for elim and 5 were on wagon and player was elimmed hidden noble is in those 5.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am just shocked NM gave a read.In post 884, Polar Bear Express wrote:
+1In post 877, MathBlade wrote:
Care to explain why?In post 876, Not_Mafia wrote:Herta's kinda obvscum here
Think I was probably right about NM being town. Sounds like town!NM to me.
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Assuming DA is the one we don’t noble we might lose. Scum hidden noble the other if I follow the setup right?In post 886, MegAzumarill wrote:I mean we just noble me today and herta tomorrow and win?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think we have to think things through and focus on elimming scum too.
If we don’t hidden noble the da today then odds are scum will do it tonight. We might be in danger of losing here so let’s go slow.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Let’s assume DA between Meg and Herta. I believe this is the common assumption. Late night will verify this later.In post 891, Enchant wrote:so let's elim and noble remaining two?
Assume we noble Meg and the DA is Herta and we miselim. Then scum likely DA Herta. Mafia gets a one shot dayvig.
We are at 8 alive. Into night 7 alive. DA Herta, they leave. NK someone. 5 alive into day, scum dayvig, we lose.
If you like swap Meg and Herta. If wrong same consequence.
So if we aim to win the game with DA we absolutely have to be sure on scum.
Mainly I am trying to figure out how to proceed in the safest manner possible.
It might be that we don’t try to win via DA. Or if we do try to win via DA we understand and acknowledge the risk as a group.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The way I figure assuming DA between Meg/Herta
We miselim -> We DA right -> We win.
We miselim -> We DA wrong -> We lose.
We no elim -> We DA right -> We win.
We no elim -> We DA wrong, scum DA correct -> 8 alive into night, scum NK 6 alive start of day -> no elim again, elo
We elim proper -> No way we lose. Possible chance to outright win on DA.
I guess this boils down to how sure we are on DA pick and elim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think mainly we need to build a town block first over DA or mafia hunting. Yes I plan on ISOing but I want to see if we can get a town block together to decide things.In post 905, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I see what you’re saying but even one vote on DA could mean we lose if wrong. Problem is it’s harder to tell who’s mafia than DA.In post 901, MathBlade wrote:The way I figure assuming DA between Meg/Herta
We miselim -> We DA right -> We win.
We miselim -> We DA wrong -> We lose.
We no elim -> We DA right -> We win.
We no elim -> We DA wrong, scum DA correct -> 8 alive into night, scum NK 6 alive start of day -> no elim again, elo
We elim proper -> No way we lose. Possible chance to outright win on DA.
I guess this boils down to how sure we are on DA pick and elim.
I think Mega might be wrong based on Junko’s posting. Can you ISO her and tell me what you think?
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Then we can determine if we elim or not and how we noble.
Defensive = Noble a TR and no elim
Offensive = Noble in Meg/Herta and elim scumread.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Just by posting alone if we elim I would say Enchant.
DA would be Meg.
I think DA Herta doesn’t really make sense I don’t think because Meg just disappearing feels really bad.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mainly I don’t feel comfortable weighing in on betting the game or not being a replace.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The fact we don’t have to take that gambleIn post 916, Enchant wrote:What in statement "We need to noble+elim Meg/Herta" you don't understand?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sorry I just blanked thought you were done til weekendIn post 872, MegAzumarill wrote:I'll try to catch up best I can this weekend (prolly sunday) but for today give me the tldrScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Crap let me redo the calculationsIn post 920, Herta wrote:Hidden nobles: eiralox, enchant, PBE
Elected nobles: Mathblade (Tapio), Not_Mafia
Not nobled: Herta, Meg
Assuming hidden noble claims are true, DA is in Herta/Meg.
HEAL: Meg
WRT mafia, I don't know.
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Math, there are 7 alive, so 6 into night. The VC says 8 votes because you have 2 votes. So 7 into night, 6 alive tomorrow.
If mafia select DA tonight, DA leaves so 5 alive tomorrow, 3 town 2 maf, with dayvig town loses.
If mafia do not select DA tonight, 6 alive tomorrow, 3 town, 2 maf and 1 DA.
Is that correct?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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DA right -> we win (this is omitted for brevity)
7 alive -> DA wrong no elim -> 7 into night. Lose two (DA+NK) 5 alive. Scum have dayvig we lose.
Ergo miselim we lose on DA wrong.
If we decide the DA ourselves we have to elim scum in case we misfire on the DA. Miselim isn’t the safer option if we decide DA.
If we don’t decide the DA ourselves then 7 into night, 50/50 we lose.
That’s a lot less appealing and might be time for hero shot. But yeah we might have to elim one noble the other but I hate the fact I agree with Enchant as he’s so scummy.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.In post 937, Polar Bear Express wrote:In post 935, Polar Bear Express wrote:
So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.
Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
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So I hate that I agree with Enchant.
But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am off work give me an hour or so for noms. Then can do more awesome things.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Break it down?In post 943, Polar Bear Express wrote:
We don’t have a choice because we lose if we’re wrong on DA today.In post 940, MathBlade wrote:
This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.In post 937, Polar Bear Express wrote:In post 935, Polar Bear Express wrote:
So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.
Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
~N
So I hate that I agree with Enchant.
But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.
~N
If we DA a non DA not in Meg/Herta then scum have a 50/50
Can you highlight my mistake please?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Give me a bit after dinner
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It’s more if we didn’t noble either of you and killed neitherIn post 950, MegAzumarill wrote:
What do you mean by 50/50? 50/50 chance of hitting DA? They know who it is (who wasn't nobled) If we kill the one we don't noble, it's a 0% chance because DA is dead.In post 944, MathBlade wrote:
Break it down?In post 943, Polar Bear Express wrote:
We don’t have a choice because we lose if we’re wrong on DA today.In post 940, MathBlade wrote:
This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.In post 937, Polar Bear Express wrote:In post 935, Polar Bear Express wrote:
So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.
Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
~N
So I hate that I agree with Enchant.
But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.
~N
If we DA a non DA not in Meg/Herta then scum have a 50/50
Can you highlight my mistake please?
We could just noble someone not DA and elim one of them
Mainly this sucks to decideScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Do you agree with the premise that DA is in Meg/Herta?In post 964, Eiralox wrote:My Likliest Scumteam: MegaAzumarill/Not_Mafia.
Dark Angel: ??????????????
Guess herta if PBE is telling truth and I'm on Mega/NotM. But herta.... sorta feels town so eh?
I'm still undecided on enchant. Felt weurd but can actually be coming from viewpoint of town concern.
Meh that's it for now? Yeah.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I do? What problem is that?In post 967, Herta wrote:Math has a problem.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What are your solves Meg? Assuming DA is Herta?In post 980, MegAzumarill wrote:My brain is auto correcting DA to "duh" and it's making me have to reread each new posts but it does make it funnierScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I haven’t played with Junko enough really to make a call.In post 991, Polar Bear Express wrote:Why I asked Math to read Junko ISO is I got the impression she didn’t know who DA was but of course that could have been faked.
With the game riding on things I kinda want to be collaborative than “rah rah elim X” since wrong we lose.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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After my car servicing is done I will start ISOing people.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mainly it’s a catch 22. Assuming DA is in Meg/Herta
They will heal/elim vote the other.
If the other one of them is scum (which we kinda need) then only one scum exists outside to do any influence.
Then I kinda want to see who gets picked first for elim.
But then having the double vote no one wants to go first and wants to just sheep me. It’s really annoying.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Gun to my head I think Herta is the DA and Meg is trying to look like the DA as scum. But it could just be that Meg actually is the DA and I am drinking too much metaphorical wine.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Going to be afk for holiday stuff a bit. Probably can post later.
Mainly have to eventually suck it up and decide the plan I just don’t like that is the situation. I kinda think we are getting lost in the weeds a bit. We have one piece to solve today. The DA. The rest in theory handles itself unless I am missing something.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I agree with that theory.In post 1053, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Gth, I think Herta’s more likely to be DA than Mega. Herta contraidicted himself by saying I get 2 votes, than later saying I’m a “ big hole” for him. Mega not doubting my HN claim and assuming she can win today with Herta heal looks not DA and possibly +town.In post 1050, MathBlade wrote:Going to be afk for holiday stuff a bit. Probably can post later.
Mainly have to eventually suck it up and decide the plan I just don’t like that is the situation. I kinda think we are getting lost in the weeds a bit. We have one piece to solve today. The DA. The rest in theory handles itself unless I am missing something.
Do you agree?
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However I also can see Meg as a DA knowing they lose no matter what being despondent.
I can make an argument for either so I am just sort of picking at this point based on nothing but gut.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think Nancy this is one of those times where we don’t wanna brain meat too much.
With flipping one and elimming the other we should at least be insured scum don’t get a day vig.
At worst we have 2 scum elo. At best we win. We can see who scum kill.
With how many miselims there have been seeing who scum kill if we don’t just win outright is the best.
I believe you are the hidden noble Nancy.
I think we learn from who scum kills overnight if it happens.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 1086, Polar Bear Express wrote:I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.
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Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.In post 1087, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Seriously Noraa?In post 1085, Polar Bear Express wrote:I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.
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Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.
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I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I pretty much said everyone’s opinions don’t matter except on DA. I wouldn’t call that nice. I gave an opinion Herta DA gun to my head and Meg is scum trying to sound like a defeated DA. If Noraa scumreads me tomorrow let’s sort it out then.In post 1092, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Math, Noraa thinks you’re both being too nice and too “wishy washy” to quote her. I still think you’re town for your stances which read protown to me but you are not usually this nice to me in any game ever where you know my main. So maybe explain that part and I can dispense with any paranoia on your slot.In post 1090, MathBlade wrote:In post 1086, Polar Bear Express wrote:I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.
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Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.In post 1087, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Seriously Noraa?In post 1085, Polar Bear Express wrote:I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.
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Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.
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I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.
I haven’t been wishy washy, but I have been lazy and noncommital because either A) we win or B) tomorrow is elo with less slots to sort or C) we lose.
I then can focus narrowly on what matters. Who we elim and who we nobleScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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A lot of your posts are kinda negative let me get a sampleIn post 1098, MegAzumarill wrote:Trying to get in your head here since that doesn't really make sense to meScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This one here. You’re talking self hammering when we haven’t decided which way.In post 1084, MegAzumarill wrote:Also I will give fair warning I will selfhammer if it would leave Herta as noble. I will not self vote without hammer given that scum could change plurality to another player and win. (Especially since my vote is the only one that would be counted for herta)
Should be a given but wanted to mention
It’s very “whelp this is my last day no matter what and I have no way to achieve my win con let’s just hammer me and end it” energyScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yeah exactly. I think you’re either A) a DA who loses no matter what so you’re having fun with itIn post 1102, MegAzumarill wrote:The only alignment that wouldnt be a win for is if I was mafia
Or B) Mafia working towards a win con by dying and trying to look like DA so you don’t lose by us elimming Herta.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think you have a strategic plan of some kind and are begging for hammers. I don’t know the full plan though.In post 1106, MegAzumarill wrote:So to clarify do you think I'm trying to be the noble vote today?
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Incorrect. Mafia you would aim for noble if Herta is DA because scum you knows Herta is DA and making Herta noble = you lossIn post 1108, MegAzumarill wrote:
I'll put it this wayIn post 1107, MathBlade wrote:
I think you have a strategic plan of some kind and are begging for hammers. I don’t know the full plan though.In post 1106, MegAzumarill wrote:So to clarify do you think I'm trying to be the noble vote today?
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If you think I am not trying to be noblized today, then you think I am either not mafia, or Herta is not DA. Nothing else makes logical sense.
Realistically my strategic plan is I know DA and we automatically noble him and therefore win when I am elimmed. I'd be happy to expedite that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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But you begged for hammers? So you do want noble?In post 1110, MegAzumarill wrote:I agree. therefore if I am not aiming to make myself noble, I am either not mafia or know Herta is not DA, which is what I saidScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You don’t want noble*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Which is odd…
* logs out to do some thinking *
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You just socially feel scum to me and I don’t know why. Anytime I read your posts I just see scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I figured out what I don’t like I think.
I don’t like Meg and Herta agree.
It makes me really want to noble Meg and elim Herta.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think you’re wrong but I understand the argument. I am not too attached to my way though as it’s pure gut and haven’t read and to be honest probably won’t have time to.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Going to be working so let me know when you want to pull the trigger.In post 1139, Polar Bear Express wrote:
Actually after sleeping, I reversed my position. Mega is acting super scummy in the hopes that we’ll elim her. Herta otoh, is trying to sound townier, so he’s probably either mafia or town.In post 1134, MathBlade wrote:I think you’re wrong but I understand the argument. I am not too attached to my way though as it’s pure gut and haven’t read and to be honest probably won’t have time to.
I think we should heal Mega and lim Herta, just to be safe. Also Mega hasn’t questioned my being hidden noble but Herta has.
And as you pointed out they’re agreeing which is definitely suss. It’s in both mafia’s and DA’s interest that we lim DA and heal mafia but in case we’re wrong, one of them has to be healed and the other limmed. Also Herta was happy when he thought he might get two votes, someone you wouldn’t expect DA to say but because of:
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I forget which way voting had to go to confirm you noble.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So then you vote then I vote and I think we are good? Then we just have to make sure elim happens yeah?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Explain it like I am 5 please?
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I think the part where I am struggling is I can see scum angles from almost every player alive. I hunt by motivation and the why people are saying what they are and if things logically match the emotions.
And right now without a scum flip I know the following
-> Town flips DA scum lose. So it should seem almost a third buddy for noble votes. But that’s contrasted by scum just not getting the dayvig. So then scum probably might argue for who they think is not DA today. I think that’s the major takeaway. So I think players who are more open like PBR are less likely to be scum.
-> Scum know the players who are likely going to die (namely Meg and Herta). If one is scum the other DA then scum know they’d be wanting to jockey for position making the players we aren’t sorting white noise. So whoever is scum would be aiming to make their player look as good as possible. So I think it would be best to review before today for most associations. We still end up with 2 deaths but then it’s 1 v 5 and that remaining scum has to survive two miselims.
-> In a town one DA other world then we end up in a win or elo scenario for scum if my math is right. Then if we noble DA we win, if we noble the Townie and elim the DA then night kill. Two deaths so 7 alive brings us to a 5 standoff.
So the main part of why I am confused is I don’t know which end game scum are preparing for. So then I don’t know if scum are aiming to be townread or aiming to paint someone as scum.
Can someone provide me some thoughts?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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(And yes I know technically there’s others that can be DA like PBE but I find that super rare so I am discounting that)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Who is this at Nancy? I literally said I am not considering a you HN world.In post 1179, Polar Bear Express wrote:I don’t like your post. It’s obvious I’m telling the truth about HN here and I find posts suggesting otherwise pretty damned scummy.
No CC and Enchant is now my top townread. Anyone currently doubting I’m HN here is outright scumclaiming imo.
I also wouldn’t be pushing so hard to be on hammered wagon if I was lying here, Duh!
HEAL: Herta
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You ready to do this? I will go with what you want in the am. I just have this feeling that it should be Meg we noble.
I don’t have a good explanation for it or reason other than my gut says so.
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I kinda feel Herta and Meg are trying too hard to seem DA like and only one can be.
I think Herta is doing it worse so noble Meg?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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