Open 872 | Citadel Conflict | Postgame

[Elements]

VOTE: Doctor Drew
I know it's meaningless I just want to express my displeasure

[Elements]

Obviously there is still a lot of free choice for them, but I figured any little bump in the road I could give them is a plus.

Pre Edit: Put Elements in the room with me, and scum has no chance(especially if Elements is scum).

Which game/s are you referring to?

[Elements]

Have any of y'all played this setup before?

[Elements]

I think from towniest to least town we want:
Palace
Dungeon
Dungeon
Dungeon
Palace
Palace
And the three scummiest players in whichever the one that confirms a town

[Elements]

I have thoughts to say when I get home

[Elements]

Have any of y'all played this setup before?

No, have you?

nope

[Elements]

For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why what

Drew

did was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.

What Drew did was neutral at best, scum siding at worst. Either way it was a bad idea and makes me scum Drew.
It stops us from being able to properly plan where we want to throw people on the town-scum scale in locations.
My list from earlier doesn't work if we think Drew is sucmmy as they've already chosen a spot so we have so suboptimally (imo) place people.
It's also a huge benefit for a sucm to choose early. I find town hunting easier than scum hunting so I'd want to assign who I think is town first before sorting the remaining players. It's just really bad.

I'm towning Nona and RR and scumming Drew atm

[Elements]

This feels like trying to cash in a lot of shade at Drew.

I

really

don't like that Drew chose early

[Elements]

no, but I think putting certain players in certain locations would be better.

[Elements]

I don't think it's irrelevant
I'd much rather have three scum reads in the place where they clear one as town

[Elements]

I don't want a utr in the court only for them to be confirmed as town

[Elements]

not if we only put 1 scum there

[Elements]

hmm

[Elements]

Lets say we have a hypothetical list who's scum rating is their name:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Where 1 is lest scummy and 9 is most scummy.
Courte - 9, 4, 5
Dungeon - 2, 3, 6
Palace - 1, 7, 8

I think that would be a good distribution of players.

[Elements]

Putting scum there means they would be free to swap one in and do so anyway

Ah but that gives us a bunch of info about the swap.
Either town for town or we had 2 scum in the court.
So I think that's good for town

[Elements]

I think that's actually really good for town seeing as finished locations immediately resolve

[Elements]

Does that take into accoount that tommorow the only reads that would matter is the ones within the groups themselves?

everyone can help out though.
Which is also something I've been wondering. On day 2 is it better to choose a location and finish that game before thinking about the other 2? Or maybe ignore locations altogether? Or something inbetween?

You aren't going to get an objective list. If you could mafia in general would be so much easier ;P

Metoculously organizing assignments isn't particularly effective in this setup either

well yeah but you can't mech solve with subjectivity so I just make everything numbers while I talk through it so I can understand it better

[Elements]

Are you arguing for giving scum agency?

[Elements]

VOTE: Meg

[Elements]

Surely stopping scum from being able to do what they want to do is better. They'll have to change their approach on the fly which will make it more likely they make mistakes and therefore easier to catch

[Elements]

Supposing Drew is Scum, it's beneficial because now scum can avoid auto-loss by having either of the other two join another location.

This was it.

Yea, Rat put it better than I could think of

[Elements]

What are you catching?

The scum...

[Elements]

What do you call it when you've hunted a scum down and voted them out?

[Elements]

On them trying to influence the game

[Elements]

On what? Them not making any decicions?

And quite possibly yes.
If we run the game and get all three scum in the same location then we just win.

[Elements]

Our information is better tomorrow the less we force consensus and unless town as a whole both wants to strictly enforce it and is 3/3 correct then it is the wrong move.

Nothing's ever gonna be strictly enforced

[Elements]

I'd quite like Nona or Rat in the Palace with Meg and Drew atm

[Elements]

They're all vibe reads

[Elements]

Your vibes feel different here to the newbie

[Elements]

But you were a pr so

[Elements]

I'm a PR here too

:O

[Elements]

I'm a PR here too

Wouldn't think being a PR would have much to do with how I handled that game

I tend to base my reads on how I feel when playing. And I find I'm much more conscious of being scum read as a pr then either VT or scum

[Elements]

I guess we have been warned you might be a hot mess all game

[Elements]

Honestly, didn't really think about the setup and thought it was best to not allow scum to choose where they want to go(I think we all are in agreement there), and in my haste thought that it was best just to choose a place before them.

Guess I got a bit too excited lol.

Can I back out of my spot? Or am I stuck there forever?

ew

[Elements]

Herta
, why do you want to be number 2? And you don't contest to me being number 1?

For whatever reason I thought we were popcorning. I don't really care where I fit in I don't think. I do wonder why you want to be first though.

also kinda ew, but not so much

[Elements]

what is the "ew",

Elements

? (for

Herta

and

Drew

)

Guess I got a bit too excited lol.

Can I back out of my spot? Or am I stuck there forever?

I do wonder why you want to be first though.

[Elements]

I think grouping 3 scum should be our priority

[Elements]

it is the first line of the opening post so I'm amazed you missed it at all...

[Elements]

*first bullet point of the mechanics section of the setup

[Elements]

not sure how that became "first line of the opening post"

[Elements]

I don't have a long enough memory to remember people's town/scum games unless I've finished a game with them in the last month at a push, more like 2 weeks

[Elements]

Your defence of yourself has given me pause to think, I'm not sure if you'd be in my 3 to win anymore

[Elements]

That's the problem with Drew jumping in. It's too easy now for mafia to just declare dungeon, and boom it's over.

Could you explain this a little further? I'm not quite getting what you mean here.

Town wins if all three scum are grouped into the same box. With someone (Drew) declaring a box, that leaves two spots in that box of course.

If Drew is Town, scum just needs one scum to declare the same box as Drew and there's no way we can group the scum together and hit the grand slam.

If Drew is scum, scum just needs to avoid placing another one of themselves into that box.

Either way scum has the advantage as far as the grand slam wincon goes. (grouping the 3 mafs in the same box)

My initial interpretation of this was that you were just saying the former (the Town|Drew scenario), without considering the latter possibility (scum|Drew).

Which could've been a perspective slip
Just saying

[Elements]

Things do need to get moving though, so whoever hasn't said where they want to go yet, start saying that.

My order preference is:
Palace
Court
Dungeon

[Elements]

I'm not feeling the herta town vibes really

I agree with you, but why?

[Elements]

Someone that's townreading Meg, tell me why?

[Elements]

I'm not scumming Meg, I'm just not sold on the town case yet

[Elements]

You and Nona are stronger townreads for example

[Elements]

Maybe bella makes the most sense as a third? The read on herta could be distancing to avoid going with him. Feels too early for a final deciscion atp, but...

I wouldn't be opposed with
(Drew/Herta/Bella)
(Taly/Meg/RR)
(Farren/Elements/Nona)

Discuss

I don't think it wins us the game.
my previous townvibe from Rat has also warn off so maybe swapping Bella and Rat?
I've also got nothing on Farren so that could be scum.

[Elements]

Rat, have we played together before?

[Elements]

@Farren, come and interact with someone other than people I think might be scum

[Elements]

I think That in the palace wins the palace

[Elements]

*Taly
Dumb auto correct

[Elements]

vote palace

...

[Elements]

If

{Meg/Taly/Nona}

is the Palace and we MIRACULOUSLY don't auto-win OR have any of us swapped out

Who are you voting for the Devotee?

I need this shit in writing now.

Any one of the three of us but I’ll go with what you and Meg decide. I wasn’t confident on Rat and I wanted one of us to be voted over them.

But I’m fine with any of the three. You and Meg want Meg, I’ll vote Meg, you both want you, I’ll vote you. If you both want me, that’s cool too.

Excuse me what?
If none of you are swapped that means one of you is scum so you're happy to vote whoever is scum in this hypothetical?!

[Elements]

my town read of Nona has just defenestrated itself

[Elements]

Meg, you get to be town now

[Elements]

In that scenario from a town POV you

know

one of the other 2 is scum. So maybe re-evaluate your reads or something

[Elements]

If

{Meg/Taly/Nona}

is the Palace and we MIRACULOUSLY don't auto-win OR have any of us swapped out

In this scenario there are 2 town and 1 scum in {Meg/Taly/Nona}

Any one of the three of us but I’ll go with what you and Meg decide. I wasn’t confident on Rat and I wanted one of us to be voted over them.

You say you'll vote any of the three of you

therefore you are okay voting for scum.

[Elements]

I'm away for 12 hours and this whole thing becomes a complete mess
VOTE: court

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
Do none of y'all read the setup?
Why didn't the other two of you in the palace not just snap vote yourself?

[Elements]

What's wrong with RR/Nona scumteam?

[Elements]

And why don't we just vote someone in one of the group so we can get 3 flips?

[Elements]

"how much elements has been shading you"
I just put out the suggestion that it could be Nona/Meg.
Now I'm thinking it could be Nona/Rat and Nona is using me as a way to push Meg as scum

[Elements]

VOTE: Taly

[Elements]

Am I the only person that actually read and understood the setup before signing up to this game?

[Elements]

Additional

• Here are some additional rules.
  • During
    Day 2
    , all nine cadets still share the thread and submit their votes there.
    
  • All 3 activities are played in the same thread but cadets may only vote for their own activity.
    
  • After majority is reached in a activity, that activity is immediately resolved, and all cadets involved are flipped.
    
  • Once a cadet's activity is resolved, that cadet may no longer post in the thread, with the exception of the cadet who was confirmed to be a
    Devotee
    at the
    Court
    .

[Elements]

you're right
nowhere do the rules tell you how the game works

[Elements]

You shouldn't, it's less than three pages and not very interesting