choosing to take this as a towntellIn post 14, Lukewarm wrote:I did not even consider the option of picking a Much Too Big number to guarantee uniqueness strat, kinda wish I had
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ok, scrolled through the circlejerking, now current
imo at least 1 scum goes for a high number as a hedge to avoid doubling up, meaning at least 1 scum in ceph/unwnd/kingtroll/bell
unfortunately math dictates i must
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well, from a scum pov no one picking 1 means they (incorrectly) guessed someone would pick 1. this can mean a few things, it might mean they went for other low numbers, they could even have all gone highIn post 126, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: peta i was thinking about that while we were draftign after seeing the numbers lke, if there's no one who chose 1, it's because of a scum strategy right? so the strategy must ave thought there would be low duplicates that implies someone who took a weird solo number.
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no super strong insight there, bell's is a silly number where if he had a team he might feel a little more responsibility to make a reasonable pick, ceph is one that's just low enough to be practical. KingTroll's is Interesting for someone new to the site who presumably is unaware of the setup - it feels like a bit a of a counterintuitive number to choose if he's going into this completely blindIn post 133, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
yeah, i agree.In post 132, petapan wrote:
well, from a scum pov no one picking 1 means they (incorrectly) guessed someone would pick 1. this can mean a few things, it might mean they went for other low numbers, they could even have all gone highIn post 126, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: peta i was thinking about that while we were draftign after seeing the numbers lke, if there's no one who chose 1, it's because of a scum strategy right? so the strategy must ave thought there would be low duplicates that implies someone who took a weird solo number.
but i think in nearly every instance of this setup there's a scum who picks a high-ish number to avoid doubling up and get a better draft slot
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idk man it was pretty boring that's why i chased that sweet sweet 4% above random chance groupingIn post 139, Taly wrote:In post 121, petapan wrote: ok, scrolled through the circlejerking, now current
imo at least 1 scum goes for a high number as a hedge to avoid doubling up, meaning at least 1 scum in ceph/unwnd/kingtroll/bell
unfortunately math dictates i must
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"sucks" is a strong word
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i think he'd be more likely to be self-conscious as scumIn post 224, unwnd wrote: Like does notty think as scum 'im being voted by 3-4 people' and start and bemoan it publicly? Feel he's more tacit when redfree crypto-
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eh i could keep it going longer but i was starting to feel bad
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this was basically what i was doing as well with the added effect that i wanted to party like it was 2010 where someone would just get called scum and everyone would wagon them right away. thought additional pressure would provide a more useful responseIn post 434, Cephrir wrote: Ok I don't think it's doing anything anymore so: I had a moderate gut ping on notty (which still persists if I'm honest) and I decided it would be fun to go on the attack and get some reactions
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you think she'd have gone back to the well a third time as scum? weird take.In post 268, Lukewarm wrote:There is a weird tension between Ydra and unwnd.
I have played two games with both Ydra and Unwnd in them before, and they also had a weird tension between them, But the tension here is ~different~
Like, in both of the other ones Ydra leaned REAL hard into it, and she was scum both times, and she isn't doing that here. I think that Ydra can have one (1) townie point.
imo dunn is always going to talk about mechanical things because that's the player he is but it felt like a smokescreen for substance in this case. kingtroll fos from him also doesn't really click with me, could be making something out of a pretty nothing explanation for a number pickIn post 291, Save The Dragons wrote:I think I tr dunnstrals opening but I also sr it because dunnstral doing stuff d1 doesn't sound like them
when that's the case you gotta go deeper and ask yourself who is likely to be playing a good scum game that would appear town on first passIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote:I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
you say this like i'm good as town and not someone who everyone here has seen blow games repeatedlyIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote:I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
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In post 308, unwnd wrote:
Most egregious line in the game coming from a -you- perspective and just in generalIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote:I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
@Peta, why are you voting Dunn?
that's a pretty flippant comment dude i think you're making too much of itIn post 314, unwnd wrote:I mean it fucking sucks a little bit when I have to meta meta meta everything because hey I happen to know everyone but
Man that line made my skin crawl. I feel like you're someone who values your thoughts way beyond asking two people even if it was tongue-in-cheek. I also don't think they've done anything worth being townread for? You're not typically willing to just hand over your thread responsibilities??
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this is, hm, maybe a town post actually. i don't -think- kingtroll is overplaying his naivete for towncred, though. just not knowing the setup. he's played several games on MU, i was in one of them although we didn't really interact in it. i'm withholding judgment for now though i'm tempted to simply say new player to the site gets the D1 pass unless he openly claims scumIn post 353, Dunnstral wrote: The fact that KingTroll calls them wolves indicates that they have more experience than their newbie status would suggestfree crypto-
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i agree with cephIn post 434, Cephrir wrote: Ok I don't think it's doing anything anymore so: I had a moderate gut ping on notty (which still persists if I'm honest) and I decided it would be fun to go on the attack and get some reactions
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i mean i would do that as scum but i'm not notscience lolIn post 438, Lukewarm wrote:Do you really think that on like page 3, scum!notty would think that the best use of his time to get town read would be to do some meta work on the Taly slot?
Like, that does not seem like the natural thought process on how to spend time for scum.
Is in thread actively talking to players -> decides to stop posting for 20 mins to do some meta on a slot, and then not even use it to make a push -> unvote from the slot that.
It just does not seem like realisitic scum motivated plan.
Compared to the town process
Sees something that they find suspicious about a player -> go skim that player's opening games to see if it was scum indicative -> realize that it is a play style difference -> unvote.
Yeah, the town process seems more likely to me then the scum one.
the answer is nah, you leave the inactive slots (GI and KT) alone and they show up or get replaced (tho i'd be sad to lose GI i don't think i ever actually played a game with him back in the day despite being around at the same time)In post 445, Bell wrote:I'm chewing on whether I should start voting Grayice. But I don't wanna yet.free crypto-
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i agree with what cephrir is saying to a frightening degreeIn post 458, Cephrir wrote:I am townreading taly
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this is a pretty wack thing to townlean me for actuallyIn post 315, Lukewarm wrote: LLD is null, and I did kinda like that Peta both established a list of people that he could default to scum reading, and then immediately proceeded to vote three people not on that list.
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vote ydrasse, her vibes are offIn post 493, GreyICE wrote:God am I supposed to read this game and shit? It’s 20 pages long and a bunch of furries in zebra outfits are harassing grown men and making me watch.
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the following people have been towny enough that i don't want to kill them day 1:
marcistar
notscience
unwnd
taly
bell
these people have said towny things but my read on them is more hesitant:
cephrir
dunnstral
greyice
(i'm going with GI plainly not giving a fuck as being towny
that leaves the following people as people i am not townreading:
kingtroll
lld
std
lukewarm
ydrasse
kingtroll could be whatever, he has 2 posts, as said earlier we're not voting him Day 1 because that's a bad environment for a new player (to the site). lld isn't getting voted out Day 1, that leaves me with a pretty narrow pool of people i wanna votefree crypto-
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i think him taking a swing at you/taly early is more likely to be genuine and him getting ahead of himself thinking about worldbuilding etc early (and just, some him-specific behavior i'm not sure is worth getting into because it wouldn't be convincing even if i explained it)In post 499, notscience wrote:Whatcha seeing with bell peta
i thought her opening to the game was pockety but that's not a read i'm strongly committed to. this isn't "bUt ShE cOuLd Be PlAyInG a GoOd ScUm GaMe" because i hate those kinds of reads, just haven't seen a moment from her i could mark in my head as townyIn post 501, unwnd wrote:Think peta's last readpost comes from a decent place that I mostly agree with
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no i'm just shit at reading youIn post 502, Save The Dragons wrote:Hey I'm on the scum list
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kind of yeah the sense that it was leaning into wee happy fun times vibes and saying stuff to get on people's good side and bring about positive feelingsIn post 506, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What about it was pockety to you, or is your instinct the same as Unwnd's in that you both think I could theoretically get high and go shitposty loose style to try and engender townreads as a strategy so there's a fear of it there?
yep, i gave you hammer in f3 and you won itIn post 507, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:also, peta, for the sake of my read on you, I have a question:
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nah tbh i think i'm readable if you know how and don't get afraid about itIn post 510, unwnd wrote:I'm sure it thrills your ego but I think you're town right now peta
Funny enough I don't think I've ever experienced a snowing from you, maybe this could be the one
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that's a good questionIn post 515, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I guess I get it, since I'm not really known for it? I feel as if I've come back to normal level and have been putting in a lot of work since sobering up, so... it's bothering me a little to get heat for something that was just me enjoying myself and chilling? Not that this is major heat just... I'm hearing a lot of it.In post 509, petapan wrote:
kind of yeah the sense that it was leaning into wee happy fun times vibes and saying stuff to get on people's good side and bring about positive feelingsIn post 506, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What about it was pockety to you, or is your instinct the same as Unwnd's in that you both think I could theoretically get high and go shitposty loose style to try and engender townreads as a strategy so there's a fear of it there?
yep, i gave you hammer in f3 and you won itIn post 507, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:also, peta, for the sake of my read on you, I have a question:
do you remember the newbie game we won together? This question has a follow up, but I need to know to what extent you remember that game first.
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Right, awesome. Okay, so... in that game we had a talk about how it was hard to get reads on each other because of the paranoia of shared knowledge and respect for the skill level of the other player, which inevitably led to you giving me the hammer while I was calling you scum and trusting me to find it, because it was the only move you had as a townie.
The question I have for you is,
Given you were able to find me as town in that game, and you're currently saying you've gotten 0 town pings from me, what was it specifically in that game that found me as town for you that you're NOT getting from me here?
specifically to that game, i think there was a great deal more context to the situation we were in - there were several days' worth of gameplay, there was a flipped scum, there was a nightkill to analyze. also it was a 50/50 between you and another player who was doing absolutely nothing.
but in particular in that game what got me to a townread of your slot was that you had replaced The Bulge, and i went to the effort of doing an extensive meta dive of him and came away with the conclusion that his play while he was in the game, even if a bit confusing, was solidly in his town mode of play
now, i don't have that advantage here, which means this is going to be trickier. i also don't have any of that other data, because it's roughly 24 hours into day 1. i could easily be seeing ghosts with my read on you, which is why i'm not pushing it at all. if you're town i will figure it out at some point.free crypto-
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right, so again, very different contexts - that was a final 3, game on the line, i was basically laying everything on the table because i wanted to convince you and win.In post 525, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Let me tell you my version of this question, if it was pointed at me. Because after you trusted me, I had to find you too, right?
What let me find you that game was how completely earnest you were being, in a way I'd never seen as town you before. You were emoting, you were fighting for it, it was like the mists parted and I could see it.
And it was SO strong and SO blinding that it shook me from a hand I was 90% set on. I was literally going to just hammer you, and you sold me out of it with genuine reactions and emotional play as town.
So it's a bit early, and one of my struggles with you right now is I feel like if you had wanted to, you could have gotten into it with me while I was high or even when I was being a little more silly and tried to connect in that emotional way to find each other.
So what stopped you from doing that, and ended up with us here discussing how you're mildly paranoid about it over having engaged with it directly?
here, it's day 1, and i play this spot very differently than i would a f3, i'm less concerned with making myself findable, i'm still doing stuff but i'm also in observer mode a lot of the time because me directly interacting with things can interfere with my read on people, and often it's more useful to leave people to their own devices and see what they do
if i had wanted to i could have argued with you but i think coming at you with a half-assed gut ping in the early game isn't going to be productive - like, i couldn't have imagined it would lead to a meaningful conversation, if you're scum you're not going to get caught on that and if you're town we probably get bogged down in minutiae.
so i did what i do with a lot of early game reads and kept it in my back pocket while mentally marking you as Under Observation. sometimes that type of read turns out to be nothing and i quietly abandon it, other times i bring it up when it strikes me as being worth mentioning. what made me feel like actually mentioning i wasn't townreading you was the fact that in my estimation other people had started to look more towny and you were left somewhere in the remainder. of course it's still early and there are big error bars, but like i said i'm not pushing youfree crypto-
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i don't think i'd be able to get an accurate read on you via direct engagement, especially in the early gameIn post 527, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like, put more simply for you Peta:
If you thought my early game was possibly basic pandering to get general town reads, why didn't you bother to engage directly to either find out if you were right or possibly find someone to work with?
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hm, i'm less worried about being convinced of the wrong thing and more that if i come at you with a weak accusation it gives you an easy argument to defeat and boost your own standingIn post 541, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Right, okay. Fair enough.In post 535, petapan wrote:
i don't think i'd be able to get an accurate read on you via direct engagement, especially in the early gameIn post 527, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like, put more simply for you Peta:
If you thought my early game was possibly basic pandering to get general town reads, why didn't you bother to engage directly to either find out if you were right or possibly find someone to work with?
anyone who's good enough at scum is going to have a pretty well trained response to pressure and they're not gonna get caught easily
One last question:
Is it that you think an interaction like that would be pointless, or that you think it would be dangerous?
i.e: do you think it just never amounts to anything for you, or are you worried about being convinced of the wrong thing as a result?
like, in some games where i'm scum someone might come up with the correct read, but they'll present an argument that is flawed in some way, so i can pick it apart logically and inevitably i win the argument in people's eyes
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he definitely plays differently than he did a couple years agoIn post 564, unwnd wrote:Bell did you change the way you play a little bit from the last time we hung out?
What's got you being more informal and less I dunno
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i wasn't complaining! i just think it's useful to examine contexts relative to the game and how that influences people's behavior and thinkingIn post 559, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:See: What I just did with Peta. Weird ass conversation using a metaphor of a 2 year old game as the call back point. Did it need to be done that way? Nope! Infact Peta complained about how the scenarios were different like, twice.
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i think it's not uncommon practice for people to repeat things they said as town when they're playing scum to fake a towntell, i'd have to check the original interaction to see how similar it is but if it's a copy i'd be more concerned, not lessIn post 587, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Okay, so Unwnd, can you tell me if you think Luke is the type who would specifically mimic an interaction to try and engender a townread?free crypto-
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because the feeling is not her being town and unmotivated but awkwardly trying to fit in, her vote on you justified as you "feeling weird" was weakIn post 609, Taly wrote:Notty, you've alluded several times to suspicion on Bell, what stops you from wagoning there?
peta, why are the off-vibes from Ydrasse scum-motivated?
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nopeIn post 614, Taly wrote:In post 613, petapan wrote:
because the feeling is not her being town and unmotivated but awkwardly trying to fit in, her vote on you justified as you "feeling weird" was weakIn post 609, Taly wrote:Notty, you've alluded several times to suspicion on Bell, what stops you from wagoning there?<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">peta, why are the off-vibes from Ydrasse scum-motivated?<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">GaiaBell'swasn't?
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i also came to dislike your kingtroll vote as a potential cop out! at the time i made that post your vote hadn't caught my attention as i was focused on other peopleIn post 617, Lukewarm wrote:
Is there a reason why this is something that you feel about Dunn, but not saying that about me? I feel like I have said just as much about that from KingTroll as he hasIn post 475, petapan wrote: imo dunn is always going to talk about mechanical things because that's the player he is but it felt like a smokescreen for substance in this case. kingtroll fos from him also doesn't really click with me, could be making something out of a pretty nothing explanation for a number pickfree crypto-
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talk to me a little bit about why you have those scumreads?In post 650, KingTroll wrote:Third: Reads! I haven't been around much this game but I have a good few days ahead of me so I'm going to sort things out:free crypto-
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i spent about an hour staring at the post and if i squint hard and turn my head i could see the kingtroll bit as an attempt to create fake nuance, and the bit saying she's not as towny as people seem to think is little strange because i don't know what purpose it actually servesIn post 669, Ydrasse wrote:
@whoever's aroundIn post 633, Ydrasse wrote: it is hard for me currently to verbalize myelf well.
lld has the capacity to be scum, as i respect her play. however i have liked her overall contributions thus far. this is vague. i apologize.
marci's 351 felt wrong to me. in part i do not believe it to be a marcilike (read: coached) post and i dislike what feels like potential tmi on kingtroll. her tone is similar to town games previously but i believe that this could be a reflection of general attitude, and am not putting as much weight into it.
is the bolded a possibility/am i off base?
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imo don't worry about itIn post 726, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm just feeling a little... Weird.
Like I was sort of not expecting people to think it is weird thar I'm having fun and cooperating even though i guess that is weird for me?
It's a bit of ennui maybe
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this is real weakIn post 804, Lukewarm wrote:Speaking of my *kill for being forgettable pile* KingTroll, STD, and GreyIce are all rounding out that space where I am struggling to remember much of anything that they have done this game outside of KingTrolls initial entrace, STD's meme posts, and GreyIce yelling for LLD to make him a sandwich.
greyice clearly didn't give two craps about the game, which for someone who is basically retired is a nulltell at worst
kingtroll to that point was behind in the game, so, like, of course he didn't do much. but i think since catching up he's been fine and tbh i buy the story about not reading/paying attention to the setup as a slightly disinvested townie, doesn't strike me as the type of player to fake something like that
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this isn't bad thoughIn post 845, Lukewarm wrote:Anyways
VOTE: std
I feel like he has seen me floundering every time I have been in a discussion about you and me, and he just purposefully pulled me back into that conversation as soon as he saw me drifting away and getting into talking with Taly about the rest of the player list
I cannot think of the town reason to go "you know what I need, is luke to talk more about unwnd this game"
And it felt like he walked in with the goal of framing it that way, because me actually explaining why I think unwnd is town did not phase him and the push he was setting up
"You are acting like unwnd is town" "I am pretty sure that unwnd is town because X" "oh, well you are scum for thinking unwnd is town. Vote"
He did not even seem to care about my reason for thinking he was town, or stopping to gauge if I really feel this wayfree crypto-
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I don't like this postIn post 741, marcistar wrote: why do i still see kingtroll hate wtf
shades of her as scum in holiday dance party i thinkIn post 849, Cephrir wrote:i don't either
he has, but i'm not sure it actually makes him townIn post 945, Cephrir wrote:I see STD has finally showed upfree crypto-
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you're getting at that he has luke and dunn as scumreads but they picked the same number?In post 972, GreyICE wrote:Oh no. I'm criticizing that when you made this list you forgot the central mechanic of the game. This is, after all, PYP.
Now I'm not going to expect a shoot-from-the-hip dgaf player to remember how the game works, but analytical players always do. Faking analysis though, well, there's a lot of interaction, and you can smell the Lukewarm wagon, but Dunnstral just isn't doing anything. So he has to slide down. And of course for a second you forgot it was PYP when you put it together.
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i don't really get what people liked about ydrasse's content posting, i thought it was pretty perfunctory and didn't really do anything to dispel suspicion i had on her
however i would be willing to compromise with her and
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4In post 978, notscience wrote:What the fuck is a number four bear bc I’m still confused what I’m missing exactlyfree crypto-
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i don't worldbuild on day 1, or at least i try not to even though the thoughts inevitably creep into my head, because i don't think it's feasible or realistic to nail the exact team that way and you get a lot of false positives
but i don't think it's impossible and find them individually scummy
what i think about marci is this:
she has 16 posts and is one of the more divergent players in the playerlist who would struggle to post as scum
her vote on unwnd is an rvs vote and she hasn't really pushed it further or pursued any other scumreads
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i'm fairly sure in the ensuing decade+ of this setup being run scum have never doubled up, not once. letting town get first shot at the strong PRs is too risky. Was the same when I drafted as scum - we discussed it but chickened out.In post 992, GreyICE wrote:
They could of course. Hoopla pulled that gambit in the first PYP I played in, and I called it out (to famously mixed results). But the thing is, they have to think "I'm the sort of player that can benefit more from the town cred if the other half dies than getting good PRs."In post 988, Ydrasse wrote: i feel like in a recent pyp scum picked same numbers
i might be hallucinating
And man, there's some PRs I wouldn't want to dodge in here. Cop? Oof. Even ascetic is no bueno. And there's a universal backup if you happen to find the ascetic cop early. Jailkeeper, doctor, etc. Not the weakest roles I've ever seen.
But more to the point, Unwnd would interrogate that. Unless of course they're focused on the Lukewarm wagon, and bumped Dunnstral down at the last second because they needed a second scumread
now, that being said, let me interrogate your view here - you say unwnd is scum for not paying attention to the draft numbers when he was forming his reads list and putting together two players who can't be scum. what make you certain scum is unlikely to think about/care about such things, as opposed to town who is simply going by feels on day 1 and not thinking about guessing the exact team? maybe he wasn't even paying attention to the numbers. in my experience i feel like town is a lot more likely to be careless about those things and make reads in a free association way, where scum are going to be more concerned with making sure everything makes 'sense' from a draft logic povfree crypto-
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okay, so, why?In post 997, marcistar wrote:that is exactly what im doing petafree crypto-
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so you're not getting the responses you wanted so your solution is to...simply lurk rather than do something different? why aren't you trying to find scum? is unwnd still the scummiest person to you?In post 1006, marcistar wrote:
i didnt get responses in the way i wanted so i decided to not even bother :shrug: its simpleIn post 1002, notscience wrote:
What’s going on marci, you started so good but have fallen off a cliffIn post 1000, marcistar wrote: i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining
cant force something out if people dont naturally wanna give it
just sorta wanted to wait back but now i dont even wanna do that
i also have seen a bunch of bs reasons to sus me, like my activity level or the singular wall post and it honestly just makes me want to thread dodge in response like afk?!?!?! ill show u true afk
(i, like, hate that you do this in response to pressure but it's at leastsomethingovernothing)free crypto-
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is there a particular reason you're choosing to lurk over being more active?In post 1011, marcistar wrote:lurk until i find somwthing i care enough about yeah
and idk lol but i dont see anything i like better yetfree crypto-
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white knighting would refer to scum defending a townie, though, so in your perception are they not teamed?free crypto-
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i don't think that's been true for a while tbhIn post 1057, notscience wrote:I think I’ve been pretty vocal about my opinions but it’s also difficult to give opinions when everyone is playing poker instead of mafiafree crypto-
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nah i'm goodIn post 1016, GreyICE wrote:
I think town is looking to solve game. I think they're going to use what tools they have. Sure, some people don't give a shit. Does that strike you as Uwnwd? As scum you have to fake that. Not telling you much if I tell you scum know all the townies, right? You can't legitimately scumhunt, you have to fake it. All of that is about fitting in. And moving a few names around because it "looks wrong" or "I wouldn't be townreading that person" is common.In post 999, petapan wrote:i'm fairly sure in the ensuing decade+ of this setup being run scum have never doubled up, not once. letting town get first shot at the strong PRs is too risky. Was the same when I drafted as scum - we discussed it but chickened out.
now, that being said, let me interrogate your view here - you say unwnd is scum for not paying attention to the draft numbers when he was forming his reads list and putting together two players who can't be scum. what make you certain scum is unlikely to think about/care about such things, as opposed to town who is simply going by feels on day 1 and not thinking about guessing the exact team? maybe he wasn't even paying attention to the numbers. in my experience i feel like town is a lot more likely to be careless about those things and make reads in a free association way, where scum are going to be more concerned with making sure everything makes 'sense' from a draft logic pov
Do I see Uwnwd trying to solve the game? No. Do I see them trying to look like they're trying to solve the game? Yes.
Do I buy your logic that scum are better town than town? Nah bro. People have thought processes, and you can work through what they are. And Uwnwd hasn't talked to Dunnstral once, yet has them as their second scummiest person, when they should be looking to find a firm town read in those two (what they say they care about?)
This is a good vote. Come. Join in.
i don't really find this a convincing gotchafree crypto-
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: save the dragons
find marci's play frustrating but not sure it's actually scum indicativefree crypto-
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probably because i don't actually have a caseIn post 1137, notscience wrote:I don’t really understand the push on him
and i'm not sure i could construct one
but it's something i feel, right nowfree crypto-
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im disgustingIn post 1136, Ydrasse wrote:im bussingfree crypto-
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