Open 874 - Donner Party - Postgame

[Flea The Magician]

I smell nerds....

Honestly probably smelling myself, I spent the day running around in costume pretending to be various baddies until about 4pm when i spent 4 hours being the pissiest and second deadlist elven thaumaturge in the land, recovered a bit in a pub, came home, and then had to SPEEDRUN making a Gastrodon (which doesnt have curse and is the wrong teratype) to a catch a pikachu within an hour. I made it with 4 minutes to spare.

I am now exausted. AMA.

[Flea The Magician]

Don't deny anyone their sandwich. Thats just scummy.

[Flea The Magician]

doesnt even deny he stole it.
look at his avi
that box he is holding has my sandwich in it.

i am 100% certain of this

VOTE: Norwee
Genuinely not the worst idea and reasoning in the last 24 hours xD

[Flea The Magician]

I smell nerds....

Honestly probably smelling myself, I spent the day running around in costume pretending to be various baddies until about 4pm when i spent 4 hours being the pissiest and second deadlist elven thaumaturge in the land, recovered a bit in a pub, came home, and then had to SPEEDRUN making a Gastrodon (which doesnt have curse and is the wrong teratype) to a catch a pikachu within an hour. I made it with 4 minutes to spare.

I am now exausted. AMA.

What even...does this mean? Is this code?

I can could post in brainfuck if you'd prefer... That said most ganes have a thing about encrypted nessages :p

[Flea The Magician]

they seem to pry what people think but in an unnatural way.

How do I pry thoughts in an unnatural way?

Would you prefer to find the Cereal Killer (RIP Captain Crunch, i never knew ye...) Or the mafia?

[Flea The Magician]

they seem to pry what people think but in an unnatural way.

How do I pry thoughts in an unnatural way?

Would you prefer to find the Cereal Killer (RIP Captain Crunch, i never knew ye...) Or the mafia?

what exactly is ur method for hunting a cereal killer

Leave a bowl of Coco Pops out with cold and heated milk - cause you never know, some people like hot mill which their choccy rice (it me, im people) under a large box propped up with a stick and rope.

[Flea The Magician]

they seem to pry what people think but in an unnatural way.

How do I pry thoughts in an unnatural way?

Would you prefer to find the Cereal Killer (RIP Captain Crunch, i never knew ye...) Or the mafia?

what exactly is ur method for hunting a cereal killer

You get cereal
You leave cereal open
You see who kills cereal
You find cereal killer

Skipping answering me is noted.

[Flea The Magician]

Norwee say i have a gun.
Say i wanted to eat someone tonight.

Don't have to answer this now since not everyone checked in.
Who should I eat

Gut is Flea for talking about cereal but yeah probably better question for later.

You funny, i like you.

[Flea The Magician]

they seem to pry what people think but in an unnatural way.

How do I pry thoughts in an unnatural way?

Would you prefer to find the Cereal Killer (RIP Captain Crunch, i never knew ye...) Or the mafia?

what exactly is ur method for hunting a cereal killer

You get cereal
You leave cereal open
You see who kills cereal
You find cereal killer

Skipping answering me is noted.

I thought you asked someone else...
I want to eliminate mafia

You asked a question, i answered with a relevant question.

Who told you to give that answer?

[Flea The Magician]

early townread on norwee

I'm the other way currently, which probably means townwee

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly i just do n better in smaller games :p

[Flea The Magician]

they seem to pry what people think but in an unnatural way.

How do I pry thoughts in an unnatural way?

Would you prefer to find the Cereal Killer (RIP Captain Crunch, i never knew ye...) Or the mafia?

what exactly is ur method for hunting a cereal killer

You get cereal
You leave cereal open
You see who kills cereal
You find cereal killer

Skipping answering me is noted.

I thought you asked someone else...
I want to eliminate mafia

You asked a question, i answered with a relevant question.

Who told you to give that answer?

You?

I like you.
And not in the Norwee style of like.
You can stay.

[Flea The Magician]

I smell nerds....

Honestly probably smelling myself, I spent the day running around in costume pretending to be various baddies until about 4pm when i spent 4 hours being the pissiest and second deadlist elven thaumaturge in the land, recovered a bit in a pub, came home, and then had to SPEEDRUN making a Gastrodon (which doesnt have curse and is the wrong teratype) to a catch a pikachu within an hour. I made it with 4 minutes to spare.

I am now exausted. AMA.

Assuming you were cosplaying at a convention, what convention was it?

... Convention?? Why would I go to one of those? Theyre boring.

Then again LARPCon could be interesting ... But id spend all my money on a weird ass looking sword knowing me...

I was out LARPing in a forest :p

[Flea The Magician]

Heh I thought conventions were popular among nerds (such as myself).

Well, larping also sounds fun as heck, I haven't done much of it tbh.

I also have stupid amounts of anxiety :p

[Flea The Magician]

I like you.
And not in the Norwee style of like.
You can stay.

What does that even mean?

Means you sus

[Flea The Magician]

Norwee say i have a gun.
Say i wanted to eat someone tonight.

Don't have to answer this now since not everyone checked in.
Who should I eat

Gut is Flea for talking about cereal but yeah probably better question for later.

Cause this.

[Flea The Magician]

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

[Flea The Magician]

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

[Flea The Magician]

Mine.

Swing and a miss?

[Flea The Magician]

I've been asked a thing in 13 where I've blipped and I'm outta juice for tonight. Will be catching up later

[Flea The Magician]

I wasn't able to be active, sorry. I'll try to catch up later today.
In the meantime, can anyone please give me a tl;dr?

Dont do that, apparently you have a life and stuff happening and you pick up 3 votes, including one of them from someone who only ever having 2 games with you knows your meta apparently.

Laptops loading, spotify is loaded.
Wall of quotes incoming.

[Flea The Magician]

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

[Flea The Magician]

Bad vote on Norwee^

Is that all?

Well I guess something is better than nothing.

[Flea The Magician]

Was a vote for the sake of having a vote down. Did become sus in the meantime, I quoted the posts somewhere and Norwee even responded to them.

[Flea The Magician]

Furtive, you say my entrance was bad as well, was it just the vote? Or anything else in particular?

[Flea The Magician]

@MOD V/LA - My ISP forced an upgrade and bodged it. Depending on how bad the bodge is I might be out for a couple of days, hopefully not but better safe than sorry.

Noted.

- Alianna

[Flea The Magician]

I got some mobile data I can tether a bit, good job really given there's 4 pages to read

I wasn't able to be active, sorry. I'll try to catch up later today.
In the meantime, can anyone please give me a tl;dr?

Dont do that, apparently you have a life and stuff happening and you pick up 3 votes, including one of them from someone who only ever having 2 games with you knows your meta apparently.

Laptops loading, spotify is loaded.
Wall of quotes incoming.

this is exactly the type of irony flea used a whole lot as scum last game we played.

Almost like a sarcy twat

[Flea The Magician]

@bianco: same difference

it was the mutiny one. fae was just like lurkey scumposting throughout. I think fae's towngame has a kind of sparkle that fae is unable to replicate as mafia, so I didn't like fae's early start. I like the last post that I read though, so I suppose fae is a townie for now.

The main thing is, I'm NEVER out of my scum range

[Flea The Magician]

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

---

hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

The thing is, yes it has a townie vibe but if you read it carefully it's mostly fluffy commentary with very little game advancing opinions on who's scum and who's town. It kinda nudges me the wrong way, but it still feels townie in vibe.
IDK, does anyone here know Flea's meta well? Or can link to past games of theirs?

My wiki page has all my games on main.

[Flea The Magician]

I've seen flea do this catchup style when fae were scum

I see where you are coming from gimli wrt flea and bianco I just don't know if one game is enough to base a lock town read on

You've also seen me do it as town...

SING TO MEEEE

(aaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaa-aaaaa-aaaa-aaaaaaah)

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

Great, first I see VOTE:Cephrir'snot a vote nekkid butt now I get to see StD's as well x.x

[Flea The Magician]

Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.

Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.

Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read

Well at least you got a towel... not much of a towel but still.

I never have substance, especially on D1, you want me to pull a herosolve from somewhere or what?

[Flea The Magician]

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

The thing is, yes it has a townie vibe but if you read it carefully it's mostly fluffy commentary with very little game advancing opinions on who's scum and who's town. It kinda nudges me the wrong way, but it still feels townie in vibe.
IDK, does anyone here know Flea's meta well? Or can link to past games of theirs?

From scrolling through Flea’s ISO in HMS Mutiny I see the exact same thing that Gimli’s saying. I think this is +town for Flea and slightly +town for Gimli.

Curious, you read my ISO on HMS Mutiny, didn't read my post here - or if you did ignored my question.
Whats the difference you're seeing between here and Mutiny?

[Flea The Magician]

Flea - while i liked

FAER

last colorful performance post, i didn't feel it alignment indicative as much as interesting. Rather annoyed

FAE

said i was only a 3 out of the spicey meter. I guess its solving? I just think flea scum could do the same there, it didn't feel that inspiring one way or other. I am actually surprised others feel more strongly about flea one way or other.

While I realise you're not a fan of my pronouns Fire, I'd appriciate they/them over he/him. We've had this discussion before.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Sail

Seasoned player ignoring someone who can probably get the grasp of them quickly? Nah not about that life.

[Flea The Magician]

One very angry phone call later, I have internet. Lets see what happened shall we?

[Flea The Magician]

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

The thing is, yes it has a townie vibe but if you read it carefully it's mostly fluffy commentary with very little game advancing opinions on who's scum and who's town. It kinda nudges me the wrong way, but it still feels townie in vibe.
IDK, does anyone here know Flea's meta well? Or can link to past games of theirs?

From scrolling through Flea’s ISO in HMS Mutiny I see the exact same thing that Gimli’s saying. I think this is +town for Flea and slightly +town for Gimli.

Curious, you read my ISO on HMS Mutiny, didn't read my post here - or if you did ignored my question.
Whats the difference you're seeing between here and Mutiny?

I did read your post here. In fact, I responded to one of the points about Cephrir that you made in your post. Are you talking about this?

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

I thought this was a joke/non-serious. I am not well-seasoned at mafia, I've played forum mafia on-and-off for the past 3 years and chat mafia on-and-off for the past 5 years.

You're not well seasoned, despite 3 yearsish forum maf experience, pass off a follow up question as non serious and just respond with what you've already stated.

And you're still not answering what you see here that you didn't there... unless there's another post further down....

I'm a bit lazy to scroll through the entire ISO (or even more than a handful of posts). What I did see is that in Mutiny, Scum!Flea was putting on a pretense of scumhunting and participating which I don't really see here, and which actually made me townread them in Mutiny. So I guess bc they are scummier they are town? Is that what you guys are seeing?

In that game, it seemed that Flea cared a lot more about how other people saw them. Flea felt more of a need to justify their, albeit valid, reasons why they were away/not reading than in this game. What most stuck out to me about Flea's ISO in HMS Mutiny is that it seemed like Flea was either faking being friendly, or Flea was more nervous - I can't tell which. Either way, I don't perceive this to be how Flea is playing in this game.

Yup. There's another one.
I never fake being friendly, and nerves are something that don't bother me in games.

Thing is, I'm hard to pin down as either alignment, as Gimli is currently learning. Dragons probably got the better measure of my play tbh. Scummier I look, townier I am.

[Flea The Magician]

especially if what fae is complaining that sail is ignoring faer is a silly question about a position in a tournament. like ?????????

You have anything better to do than provide commentary? Like hunting maybe?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Sail

Seasoned player ignoring someone who can probably get the grasp of them quickly? Nah not about that life.

Spoiler:

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

The thing is, yes it has a townie vibe but if you read it carefully it's mostly fluffy commentary with very little game advancing opinions on who's scum and who's town. It kinda nudges me the wrong way, but it still feels townie in vibe.
IDK, does anyone here know Flea's meta well? Or can link to past games of theirs?

From scrolling through Flea’s ISO in HMS Mutiny I see the exact same thing that Gimli’s saying. I think this is +town for Flea and slightly +town for Gimli.

Curious, you read my ISO on HMS Mutiny, didn't read my post here - or if you did ignored my question.
Whats the difference you're seeing between here and Mutiny?

On a vacuum I wouldn't like this, as it fabricates a reson for a vote that looks credible but it's really just a nothingburger, but then again Sail is a pretty high hanging fruit at the moment, or at least I get the sense that he's pretty generally TR'd. I don't think this is the direction a scum wanting to appear solvey would go

You're going to hate me. <3

[Flea The Magician]

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

The thing is, yes it has a townie vibe but if you read it carefully it's mostly fluffy commentary with very little game advancing opinions on who's scum and who's town. It kinda nudges me the wrong way, but it still feels townie in vibe.
IDK, does anyone here know Flea's meta well? Or can link to past games of theirs?

From scrolling through Flea’s ISO in HMS Mutiny I see the exact same thing that Gimli’s saying. I think this is +town for Flea and slightly +town for Gimli.

Curious, you read my ISO on HMS Mutiny, didn't read my post here - or if you did ignored my question.
Whats the difference you're seeing between here and Mutiny?

I did read your post here. In fact, I responded to one of the points about Cephrir that you made in your post. Are you talking about this?

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

I thought this was a joke/non-serious. I am not well-seasoned at mafia, I've played forum mafia on-and-off for the past 3 years and chat mafia on-and-off for the past 5 years.

You're not well seasoned, despite 3 yearsish forum maf experience, pass off a follow up question as non serious and just respond with what you've already stated.

And you're still not answering what you see here that you didn't there... unless there's another post further down....

I'm a bit lazy to scroll through the entire ISO (or even more than a handful of posts). What I did see is that in Mutiny, Scum!Flea was putting on a pretense of scumhunting and participating which I don't really see here, and which actually made me townread them in Mutiny. So I guess bc they are scummier they are town? Is that what you guys are seeing?

In that game, it seemed that Flea cared a lot more about how other people saw them. Flea felt more of a need to justify their, albeit valid, reasons why they were away/not reading than in this game. What most stuck out to me about Flea's ISO in HMS Mutiny is that it seemed like Flea was either faking being friendly, or Flea was more nervous - I can't tell which. Either way, I don't perceive this to be how Flea is playing in this game.

Yup. There's another one.
I never fake being friendly, and nerves are something that don't bother me in games.

Thing is, I'm hard to pin down as either alignment, as Gimli is currently learning. Dragons probably got the better measure of my play tbh. Scummier I look, townier I am.

This argument is pointless. I see differences in your play, and I have expressed what I perceive those differences to be. As for the MU Championship thing, I have no idea who you are on MU nor did I compete in the championship.

Got what i needed.
Kewl :3

[Flea The Magician]

I'm very good at being null, and Bianco's post makes sense. I don't see why sails voted there

[Flea The Magician]

I don't want bianco to claim

can't say the same about flea

Paranoid reflexive blank Vigilante.

[Flea The Magician]

Tis one of those games where no matter where i am or what i do, I am scum.

Its also day 1. Day 1 blows.

[Flea The Magician]

Cause the problem is now if i start doing something, its HMS mutiny again where im too busy caring about reads on me apparently.

Keep doing what I do and thats embrace whatever mental state im in and try and have fun, im also scummy.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and the moment I'm overly friendly or nervous I'm scum...

The moment i start putting effort in that's my actual big scum tell...


Problem of being a player with infinite scumrange...

Welcome to the new world
Open up the gates of paradise
So let's get cynical
Run into a new maze
Open up your minds
And soon we'll all
Be drop dead cynical

Be drop dead cynical

Be drop dead cynical

[Flea The Magician]

I don't want bianco to claim

can't say the same about flea

Paranoid reflexive blank Vigilante.

I don't wanna pick on you but when you edit out my post and takes it out of context just to insert a joke, I think that's scummy. I'm scumreading you, many of us are. do you have anything to say to what? who's scum pushing you?

idk do something

Oh and youre the only vote on me
So thanks for the claim <3

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and the moment I'm overly friendly or nervous I'm scum...

The moment i start putting effort in that's my actual big scum tell...


Problem of being a player with infinite scumrange...

Welcome to the new world
Open up the gates of paradise
So let's get cynical
Run into a new maze
Open up your minds
And soon we'll all
Be drop dead cynical

Be drop dead cynical

Be drop dead cynical

This is starting to sound like ME when i don't know what to say cus rolled scum so i just start dropping songs and poems.

Norwee look at my signature... what's in there?
Oh look a playlist of songs I've used in my spoiler catchups...

I also use the songs in posts to make a commentary. In this case, Soon we'll all be drop dead cynical.

[Flea The Magician]

So, VOTE: Gimli and lets see how we go.

You're the only one who actually appears to have pushed me, at most everyone else has just nudged me and it's all based on frankly NAI stuff with me.

[Flea The Magician]

furtive was bearly a fart to breeze with that "push". like that was nothing.

[Flea The Magician]

name droping me like that is just going to boost my ego tbh, it's not a case, it's, nothing. its the whole lilo and stitch "TOUCHING MEEEE!" thing.

Gimli flips more than a coin in midair, honestly probably trying to stir the pot and reaction farm at that point. Later on though going on about "people are clearly sus" of me when all I'm getting is naked votes is nothing, asking me about those pushing on me when I'm just getting name dropped and a peep show of votes (far too many ankles on display, heathens) then attempting to adjust the games undertones is actually impressive but not effective against me. I'm an easy target D1, because I hate D1. We have *nothing* to work with here except was Golidlocks a thief?


I ain't going to react to such a weak ass push when my IBS scares me more.

Oh and Ceph, I'm not convincing anyone of anything. It's D1. Unless you want me to pull some serious psychological interpretations, which I'm not going to do because theres

nothing

.

[Flea The Magician]

Not even a tunnel, just got some blinkers on. Kinda cute actually watching him trying to work out the 3rd playstyle hes seen as SAI and convince everyone that it is.

I mean look at the framing.
Personally i think im being very nonchalant about this.
Gimli offers up:
A) im town appeasing scum
B) irritated flailing scum
C) townie struggling to post.

If im so widely scumread, why is A even a suggestion?
Flailing implies im doing everything i can to worm out of a situation which to me says id be hyper posting, which C says Im not.

Truth is, its none of them. Im not struggling to post, i just cant be arsed and I have a life.

And Ceph, because thats all D1 is anyway, who can shout the loudest and convince everyone their D12 or whatever roll is better.

[Flea The Magician]

Like sure, do nothing but don’t use some BS excuse to pretend like you’re justified. Ur just being lazy.

Norwee, im going to give you one chance to retract that before I go Hellsinger on you.

And I aint screwing around.

[Flea The Magician]

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flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.

I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.

I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.

anyway good morning team

Pronouns. Watch them.
Https://my.pronouns.page/@FleaTheMagician

[Flea The Magician]

Not that youd particularly care gimli, I had nancy to bounce off D1 in legends. D1 is my weakest play. Always has been.

[Flea The Magician]

Difference is I could soulread Nancy and worked her out in a day.

Dont use it/its for me. Works for some, not for others, and really not for me. I struggle using it/its for the people it does work for.

If youre keen on meta, go look at my other towngames. Its rare I have a strong D1.

But as youll quickly learn, I dont have usable meta.

[Flea The Magician]

Like sure, do nothing but don’t use some BS excuse to pretend like you’re justified. Ur just being lazy.

Norwee, im going to give you one chance to retract that before I go Hellsinger on you.

And I aint screwing around.

For what? Simple criticism of D1 play? I don’t care if you’re not screwing around i got the moral right to criticize anyone i want as long as it’s within limits. And if you can’t handle something as tame as being called out for an attitude of not thinking day 1 is worth playing to get reads then i don’t feel even slightly in the wrong if you’re going to get insulted over that.

Norwee you made a whole song and dance previously of your out of game circumstances. You also know I have chronic pain issues.

It took me 1 hour to do a 15 minute walk yesterday. It took me 4 hours to psych up to that and i passed out for an hour after. The fact i posted at all is amazing and my dedication to this game. But hey I'm lazy.

I never said D1 isnt worth playing, so dont twist what I said. I said D1 is crap because theres nothing solid and its basically rand what happens. D1 bores me more often than not. Doesnt mean you dont hunt, doesnt mean I dont take notes, and it doesnt mean im not watching.

So may I suggest you sit down, let me do my thing, and ill let you do yours.

[Flea The Magician]

And don't ever call me lazy.

[Flea The Magician]

I am a performer after all, an unwell performer but a performer nonetheless.

I simply accept my place as infinite scumrange and frankly im proud of it. You have to admit, i have a point though... Where was I..? Ah yes.

Oh woe is I, for already upon the first day I hath been pinned, accused and found out by those whom I would decieve. In these dark times where the cereal is no longer safe, mortified am I to have been found a cannibal. Devourering relentlessly upon the flesh of the townsfolk I shall eat no longer, as revenge they seek, and truely, they shall have.
*Dramatic collapsing*

[Flea The Magician]

(This is why you dont play with LARPers kids. We're weirdos)

[Flea The Magician]

if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today

Or practice what you preach.

Ngl is actually nice seeing StD and Ceph not being the D1

[Flea The Magician]

The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.

Pedit - Norwee hit a button so got shut down.
Dont ever call me lazy. Simple as that.
I am an unorthodox player, who never leaves scumrange. Theres a lot of naked votes and sheeping on me with "I like this" and nothing else. There is no defence. There is nothing I can do. Anything I post at this point isnt genuine. My flip provides information, it condemns you if we have sensible town.

My actions and approaches show my reads. If you cant find them, look closer.

[Flea The Magician]

And frankly now im in a mood so my brain wont process this game.

[Flea The Magician]

The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.

okay but is std and furtive bad? cause they're also scumreading you

are they mafia?

You tell me.
Have I said anything towards them that would imply that?

[Flea The Magician]

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flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.

I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.

I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.

anyway good morning team

This looks like you actually just want to flip me lol, after all, if you say whatever Flea flips would prove I'm scum then after fae's flip I'm just scum.

Almost like Gimlis already preparing to chain the eliminations

[Flea The Magician]

You are vaguely amusing, I will admit Gimli. You seem to be attempting to force an inference that my position is solely based on OMGUS while leaving yourself exit room to deny that.

[Flea The Magician]

The funny thing about this is calling OMGUS is a scum tactic used to depower a legitimate town vote.

[Flea The Magician]

Norwee you made a whole song and dance previously of your out of game circumstances. You also know I have chronic pain issues.

It took me 1 hour to do a 15 minute walk yesterday. It took me 4 hours to psych up to that and i passed out for an hour after. The fact i posted at all is amazing and my dedication to this game. But hey I'm lazy.

I never said D1 isnt worth playing, so dont twist what I said. I said D1 is crap because theres nothing solid and its basically rand what happens. D1 bores me more often than not. Doesnt mean you dont hunt, doesnt mean I dont take notes, and it doesnt mean im not watching.

So may I suggest you sit down, let me do my thing, and ill let you do yours.

Yeah you're well justified in feeling mad about that... if it was what i was even saying, which i was not.
You can be fighting a snowstorm for 23 hours a day just to get to that computer and make a post, point is i don't like how you say that day 1 is pointless and we can't get reads blah blah. Has literally nothing to do with whatever other problems you may have in your life. In fact, that's when you can say "I'm not gonna post a whole lot for now because of RL" and that's perfectly fine.
But yes, i'd love to let you do your thing, but i'm not gonna retract the fact that i think every single person that says "ugh, day 1 sucks cus impossible to get reads" have an attitude i don't agree with.

Don't ever call me fucking lazy.
Its not impossible for others to get reads, for me it is. I loathe D1, it bores me, I have no solid information to work from.
That's my thing, my style, its how I work, and I don't give a flying monkey if you agree with it or not, I'm not changing my viewpoint just for you.
I didn't say it was pointless, I didn't say it wasn't worth playing. So how about you don't twist what I say, you don't add information that doesn't exist, and do not get to call me fucking lazy.

Is that clear?

[Flea The Magician]

*Stretches and yawns*

Spoiler: Don't mind me, just being lazy

1.15

Votecount 1.15

Flea The Magician (E-2): Gimli, Save The Dragons, Detective Penguin, furtiveglance, Cephrir

Spoiler: gimli

VOTE: flea

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

1. furtiveglance - idk scum?
2. Save The Dragons - idk
3. biancospino - town
4. Flea The Magician - town
5. KawaiiKame - town
6. Detective Penguin - town
7. Firebringer - town
8. Sail - town
9. Cephrir - idk
10. DragonEater70 - town
11. Gimli - town
12. NorwegianboyEE - idk

all my towns are locktowns

you know what

okay

VOTE: flea

I think we shouldn't flip flea today

VOTE: biancospino

let's try this for a while

All that time of flip flopping and never moving the vote despite calling me town. Yeah ok.

VOTE: flea

I think it's too early for E-1

I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?

And we're back. No reasoning given.

flea is getting a disappointingly small amount of votes now

is anyone townreading any part of fae's reaction to my suspicion of faer?

anyway I'm ISOing sail now

The push begins.

when I wake up I'll revisit dragon eater and maybe firebringer. I might be clearing them for bad reasons.

I'll also think about this: the way flea is acting now is more or less likely to come from someone who wants to be townread and appease to people as scum, or is it scum irritated with the scumread and flailing, or is it a townie struggling to post cause fae hates d1s?

q's for tomorrow gnight thread

No elaboration ever given. Nothing I'm doing is set to appease town, given I'm a universial SR.

Fae's not even trying to look good or appeasing imho, so that's not (a). I think you're in a bit of a tunnel

fae was. fae's first few posts are definitely some sort of LAMIST posting. it's now just complaining about my SR and complaining about d1, and not doing anything else, which feels a bit like scum losing their ground in the game. ofc I could be wrong... are you townreading flea?

Buzzword attack, no elaboration.

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flea in legends of the hidden temple. it's not crying about d1, in fact it's playing the shit out of it? so.

I'm just voting there and asking other people to vote there. unless you guys wanna flip bianco. unwilling to flip anyone else this gameday. bianco defending flea just makes them look aligned, but it could also be TMI posturing? idk.

I have a POE outside of these two of (STD, ceph, firebringer, penguin). but these are simply 4 players I don't think I can read well and they've all made townie looking posting. so they're not good d1s, IDT.

anyway good morning team

Second game considered, the game where Gimli replaced into a scum slot and lolcatted, didn't even participate in the game.

Not that youd particularly care gimli, I had nancy to bounce off D1 in legends. D1 is my weakest play. Always has been.

of course I care, do you think I want to be wrong? I want to be right, I want to flip scum. if you're town town it up, start making good reads and townhunt.

you have me to bounce reads off of if you want. doesn't need to be in a hood. you didn't know nancy was town so what's the difference?

you think you don't have usable meta, clearly.

I'll dive into you

and sorry for using 'it', for some reason I didn't think I was using a pronoun or something. english is complicated.

Waiting on that dive, there's well over 50 games you get to cherry pick. The only tell I have is the effort I put in. Those who can read me and learned to inverse their reads on me for a true read.

you're making reads in all your town games

here it's like, IDEK what you're doing, but I don't see the reads. you're voting me cause I'm pushing you, okay, but when we talk it's not like you think I'm scum or anything.

who are you suspicious of? who are you townreading?

Anyone who knows me knows I don't give reads. Look at how I play, my reads are quite obviousl.

if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today

Sheep cycle begins. Strong Associative between Gimli and StD - StD being someone I'm happy enough with my read rate on. StD knowing I can be formiddable when I need to be.

I told you to post reads and you're like *personal stuff* which is fine but it's what you were doing in mutiny too and you were a wolf there

I don't even think I should interact with you anymore, I think we should just flip you and figure out what your d1 meant

if you start playing mafia and posting reads I'll read that

Almost like I have several chronic conditions that affect my day to day life and someone pissed me off by calling me fucking lazy.

Nice reframe though. That was aimed at Norwee, not you. You told me to post reads and I responded directly to you, instead you go for this.

Tell me Dwarf, what do you gain from flipping me? What associatives? What information?
I've been playing mafia from the start. And i'm still not posting reads for you, or for anyone.

The only problem is if I flip, i dont trust town to extract the correct information. Especially if Gimli keeps being loud - self admitted to being bad at mafia and yet still attempts to town lead.

okay but is std and furtive bad? cause they're also scumreading you

are they mafia?

OMGUS framing. Attempting to further depower my vote. Someones shakin in his boots.

Gimli's whole play today has been to get rid of me.
This is either scum scared that i'll lock down on this read because he did his research and knows when I'm hot I'm damned hot, or someone scarred by my wolf game.

Spoiler: Save the Dragons

I've seen flea do this catchup style when fae were scum

I see where you are coming from gimli wrt flea and bianco I just don't know if one game is enough to base a lock town read on

VOTE: flea

Fleas potential scum because fae just tried to impress with a town sounding post but didn't have a ton of substance to it.

Norwee is potential scum because he's not doing anything to advance the game state and he did nothing in business company to do so and he was scum there.

Cephrir is potential scum because I don't like how he reacted to my shove onto him and I think he's doing stuff he does as scum but this is my weakest read

VOTE: cephypoo

VOTE: flea

feeling good with flea :thumbsupemoji:

i think my problem is i do expect flea to do more

and faer kind of like "d1 d1" and it's like...not enough...and the defense is just pinging my scumdar.

This is it. This is all there is.
"I expect flea to do more"
What d'ya want me to do? Dress in drag and do the hula?

The catchup style is NAI, I've done it as both alignments. Music is my strength and my coping mechanism. It works its way into everything I do. Yes even at larp I'll be stood there shouting

In the hour of final judgement
All Father lead my way
When the fire of war reign
I will watch my brothers fall
Our names will be long forgotten
We live on forever
The victorious will rise to the glory of the gods

Brothers of Metal - Yggdrasil

Spoiler: Detective Penguin

Penguin, read on Flea?

i have no idea how to read flea...so solidly null, would shoot.

VOTE: flea

let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.

VOTE: flea

let's see what happens. not super hopeful with the info from this since my wagon is made up of three lolvotes and a vote for proveably wrong reasons but eh.

Is Flea actually scummy to you or null?

Null. We have two days left so it’s time to start consolidating. Don’t really want to yeet bianco and Ceph isn’t getting traction.

Null voter consolidating. Fair enough. I've been wagoned twice at this point I need to flip regardless. Fun fact, Gimli's behind both.

Spoiler: Furtive Glance

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

@std, fair enough. I do agree it was something of a jarring shift in conversation, but still

if

the intent was malicious than surely they should've a reason to reroute the gamestate is all I'm saying

Bad vote on Norwee^

Why was it a bad vote?

Because I TR Norwee

Leaving why the read aside. Whether or not Norwee is town has no bearing on the whereabout of Fire's sandwitch.

That particular vote was not serious and Flea said so faerself, so even if you somehow knew for certain that Norwee was town you are also making the argument that random joke votes to town are more likely than random to come from scum

It was Flea's only real bit of game-advancing content in faer entrance and I didn't like it

I think I have a winning POE already which is unusually early for me

[Bianco, Cephrir, Flea, Penguin, STD]

STD most likely to be town from those

VOTE: bianco

I think it's too early for E-1

I think flea is substantially scummier than bianco. what do you think, furtive?

I have three scumreads - Bianco, Flea and Penguin.

You know how Penguin likes to do his wagonomics votes on every wagon?

He's avoided Flea's wagon, and called faer null when I asked him recently.

I don't like Penguin still, but if people are unvoting then I'll shift my vote

VOTE: Flea the Magician

Voting me basically based on my opening. Honestly probably bad town overall. low chance SK.

Spoiler: VOTE:Cephrir

VOTE: Flea

I like the flea post. Running out of places I currently feel like voting

VOTE: KK

So why are you doing it

i feel like the answer to this is self evident

but if furtive doesn't articulate a reason that voting penguin is actually better than voting flea i'm probably gonna vote flea

VOTE: flea

Sorry, but I'm quite happy with my vote right now. I agree with std

Ceph's another weak D1 player and often eats the elimination for it. Meh, could go either way tbh.

TLDR - Whole lotta nothing. Both scum on this wagon.

[Flea The Magician]

As someone who is called lazy often by various ignorami, I do take a large amount of offence to it as its something used often to belittle and degrade me.

Truth is nobody in this game who should be able to read me, is able to read me and those who absolutely cannot read me, are either acknolwedging that or following those who claim to be able to.

Lets go, you have my finalé. Take Gimli out sooner rather than later.

[Flea The Magician]

Kay just gonna ignore Flea cus of the domineering attitude.

Don't join games I'm in in the future please.

You pissed off the flea, twisted faer words, and couldn't handle the heat when it bit back. That's your problem entirely.

[Flea The Magician]

I don't believe I'm being mean to anyone. I believe I am setting a boundary on a thing that annoys me greatly. I'm trying (and clearly failing) to not have my OoG issues affect my game but it is as it is. An impossible task.

I'll admit I'm a little more agitated than usual in this game, and a lot blunter than I normally am. Cant be unicorn farts and sparkles all the time.

[Flea The Magician]

Deadline in two days, no counterwagon, no information to be gleaned from my flip.
Good luck.

When you are battered with a stick repeatedly throughout your life, when you are doing what you do to the best of your ability and then it happens in a game, that was a measured response. This game is under stricter rules for toxic behaviour than normal. Agitated, yes. Toxic? no. People just don't like when the normally fun person gets annoyed.

The fact I am able to use words to emphasise that through my word choice and sentence construction, is just a bonus in my pocket.

You attempted to justify a bad position, a position you amended information to and took to an extreme. That was the point I did not want to play with you again. You have apologised, I will give you further chances to show you have learned from this.

Spoiler: Comparison to a normal flea post.

When you are battered with a stick repeatedly throughout your life, when you do your best and then it happens in a game, it sucks and yeah I'll get spicy. This game is under stricter rules for toxic behaviour than normal and I'll admit I'm a bit miffed by this. People really dont like when I get like that because nobody wants the fun person to be annoyed. It's bad times all round.

That I'm able to use language in such a way to really show my mental and emotional state is powerful admittedly, and something I'm not scared to use.

You tried to defend a bad position that you extrapolated to an extreme, that bugs me and you still missed the point. I don't want to play with someone who does that. You've apologised, awesome, I'll let you slide for now but I need to know you've learned from this.

[Flea The Magician]

Anyway Flea out. See you in the dead thread.

[Flea The Magician]

1k yoink

[Flea The Magician]

Flea's recent posting has been solidly NAI in the context of Flea's meta.

Curious which games you looked at..?

[Flea The Magician]

Because scum lead the day.

[Flea The Magician]

Vig, bianco is the CW to me so if green Im your shot. See you overnight.

(Not that i was correct about gimlis positioning or anything, and yes I believe its posturing and a facade)

[Flea The Magician]

I mean were both done. Unless the vig wants to hero shot.

If either one of us is green, the other is shot. Unless hero shooting vig.

Youve broken my patience for this game with your posturing believing you can read me, when you clearly cannot.

So, tell me, what do you gain from my flip? What information, where do you look for who?

[Flea The Magician]

I flip green:
Youre either bad town tunneled or scum townleading. A wagon should form on you at some point by competent down, i suspect with Sail taking the point. They know their stuff and are actually town and capable.
Your red flip incriminates Ceph and StD who are lambs to your Mary. Hopefully they will have both picked up at that point if theyre town as while StDs D1 tends to be better, Cephs is awful. StD doing little here is a concern .

I flip red you're clear. What associatives do you have?

[Flea The Magician]

I tend to respond better to reason

sorry if you're town?

Ive been nothing less than reasonable with you.
My vote stays.

[Flea The Magician]

Also emotion isnt a tell on anyone, and certainly not for me.

[Flea The Magician]

Not at the surface level at least for most, at all on me.

[Flea The Magician]

And yet... anyone wagoned twice on a day needs to be resolved. At this point I need to be resolved otherwise I'm a question mark until endgame. Scum will now not NK me because of this.

Because of Gimli's bad push.

Leading town requires someone with confidence in their play, Gimli lacks confidence and has already undermined their position by admitting that he's "horrible at mafia". I also don't think bianco sets up the kind of hardball play Gimli is suggesting here.

That said looking over ISO, something I'm seeing in bianco's posts.
Mirroring/language shift.

She started out very informal, then as the day has progressed he's mirroring my more pointed style throughout. It's not fully there, but it is noticeable. Slips back again when talking about me in a scum context, and then immediately returns when not. And this continues. Whenever talking about eliminating me, back to casual. Talking about me as town, is pointed.

Weaponised mirroring, could be intentional, could not be. I can't decipher that just yet with 35 posts.
Mirroring is a behaviour used in social groups to establish a connection and deepen bonds.
I've done this before, rare cases and usually as an escape option. Just start subtly mirroring a widely townread person - and it has worked.
I've seen others use it as pocketing and sometimes to create false associatives.

Make of it what you will. Without being able to decode the information behind it, this is fluff.

[Flea The Magician]

this is already more scumhunting than flea did in one month of HMS mutiny as scum so fae is probably town.

I think bianco's partner is in (STD, ceph, dragoneater)

ceph would have to be bussing the ever living fuck out of his partner which, why not? but somehow I think that's not too likely

STD has softdefended bianco throughout d1, suspecting people that suspect him without townreading him. also called out ceph for putting bianco in the spotlight with the 'I bet you forgot bianco existed' vote (which I think was a nice vote and tone and I had forgotten bianco existed as well).

DE is someone I'm not scumreading and have no idea if associatives work but bianco mentioned him as a potential scum and I think that's interesting as I think bianco would try to distance themselves from a partner while going down.

Funny thing is, it's not even scum hunting.
Funnier still... Just let me do my thing without crappushing D1 and I can actually make sense of stuff like that.

How's that meta read coming on me?

[Flea The Magician]

So basically Gimli's fishing for every elimination possible.

[Flea The Magician]

In the last 24h - also his Vote is currently on Bianco...
STD, Dragon Eater, Bianco, Flea.

Just over 24h ago we have a plea to StD, FB and Norwee. Not only that we have (just) got

if std wants to kill flea then I'm not moving my vote elsewhere today

48h we have the angling for the second wagon on me.


Yeah fair - its an unfair interpretation. Gimli's actually a little more focused than I'm giving credit for.

[Flea The Magician]

"Woe is flea" my freaking ass

NOBODY has been able to properly read me yet The closest two have been Nancy and Nora and even then they still got it wrong xD

GG anyway, honestly just laughed at myself when I saw "QUICK END BEFORE FLEA CAN POST!"

Git

[Flea The Magician]

If anyone wants to get straight back into another game by the way, I'm running a 13p Diffusion of Power set up with some Chrono Trigger style theming, I put a lot of heart into the games I run and I'd love for you to join and help me get back to modding games <3

It is an open setup, partly, and should prove to be a lot of fun <3
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[Flea The Magician]

Big thanks to Alianna as well for running this, I tried running it a while ago, it didn't quite take off and it was one I wanted to play too <3