Open 413 - Duck, Duck, Shoot! (Game over!)

[mcqueen]

VOTE: kondi2424

If you're not town with me, I want revenge.

[mcqueen]

I have nothing to say.

[mcqueen]

Well, throghout the day, I've thought of one thing to say - I've no need to arm myself unless I'm being called obvious town by a lot of players, as mafia will want me alive for mislynch bait, later in the game. So, yes I'm a PGO, and I'm not arming myself unless I'm being called obvious town.

Other than that, I'll unvote, as even my RVS vote isn't meaningful to me.
UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

andrew94 is just being andrew94. And McQueen is just being McQueen.

[mcqueen]

Both of you equal silent asses?

Silent but deadly. Yup, you guessed it - I'm a Paranoid Farter.

[mcqueen]

He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

get on my page. you see what im seeing mcqueen is doing?

? Even I don't see what I'm doing, so how can you?

(Answer - He's a Gypsy!)

[mcqueen]

(I was dropped on my head as a baby... heh, not my fault.)

P (stands for Paranoid Ninja Tigers) Edit - I never lurk. Not as town, scum, cult, third party, fourth party, fifth party, or even seventh party.

[mcqueen]

McQueen - drmyshotgun, what's 1+1?
drmyshotgun - 3?
McQueen - NO! YOU'RE SCUM! *votes drmyshotgun*
drmyshotgun - Heh, I'm paranoid. Gimme a break.

[mcqueen]

I don't get it.

lol. I'm tempted to vote you for not getting it.

[mcqueen]

Anyone else understand why I say something very true, yet andrew94 changes it, says it's scummy, and votes me for it?

andrew94, scum don't keep everyone alive for mislynch bait. They keep me alive for it. My best games are when I have good endgames, and get away from mislynches, thereby screwing scum.

[mcqueen]

Oh, I made that post from a regular townie point of view, not from a PGO's. As far as I'm concerned, while I don't use my power, I'm just like a townie, anyway.

[mcqueen]

Also, andrew94, anyone can say anything, so there's always a chance I'll say something everyone can say, so why are you calling me out for it?

(Answer - He might be Indian, or just naive.)

[mcqueen]

andrew94 or Quinter? Hmm. Well, Quinter isn't going to be on his buddies wagon, and I know andrew94's meta is making ridiculous cases, so my decision should be obvious. I'll vote myself.

VOTE: mcqueen
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Quniter

[mcqueen]

drmyshotgun. Listen here, buddy. (I'll assume I'm thinking the same thing as Phillammon.) I voted Quinter, but only recently. Other than that, Quinter has made no impression on me at all -- in fact besides his one or two posts, I don't even remember the other two -- whereas andrew94 called me out on something that you honestly can't call someone out on. That goes for anyone and everyone. There'll always be a chance that I say something everyone else can say, so there is no reason to call me out on it. Anyone can be dumb and call me out on it. So, in retrospect, andrew94 is being a hypocrite.

P-Edit -
UNVOTE:
VOTE: drmyshotgun

I have my mislynch troubles endgame, and Phillammon has a problem with being manipulated. We both have seen this from each other, and you're not going to lynch him for it. I don't play, "Let's policy lynch him because he's trying to buy leeniancy by claiming he's easily manipulated," games. Period.

[mcqueen]

I didn't say anything about policy lynching Phill let alone because he is "easily manipulated".
Why you misrepping me?

But oh you are going to cut me off?
Oh you are easily manipulated?
Am I trying to manipulate you here? How so?
And what about Mcqueen? Oh never mind.

Yes, this won't end up in a policy lynch. It'll just end up handing Phillammon a victory. Great job!

[mcqueen]

You think that will end up in PL? I'm just trying to get the reason why Phill sees Quinter as not as Scum as Andrew.

Because Quinter hasn't made an impression on him. I don't policy lynch lurkers because I forget about them, as they make no impression on me, as an example.

[mcqueen]

We should just play Duck, Duck, Goose! and lynch whoever the chosen player chooses as his/her goose. See how it goes.

[mcqueen]

You think that will end up in PL? I'm just trying to get the reason why Phill sees Quinter as not as Scum as Andrew.

Because Quinter hasn't made an impression on him. I don't policy lynch lurkers because I forget about them, as they make no impression on me, as an example.

You ignored the right question and answered the wrong one.
The question you were meant to answer is: Do you think that will end up in PL?
The question you answered was meant for Phill.

No, because I won't let it.

hi

Get your cheeky butt in here.

[mcqueen]

COME ON, PEOPLE. I'M WAITING HERE FOR POSTS TO REPLY TO, BUT NOT ARE FORTHCOMING. MORE ACTIVITY WOULD BE NICE. THANK YOU.

[mcqueen]

The mini Andrew bandwagon doesn't make sense. I don't particularly care for the people on that wagon either.

Mcqueen

: What exactly is your reasoning for voting drmyshotgun?

I'm not repeating myself.

My reasoning for doing so is now understood by him, and it's not a good long-term vote. I just did it to put a little pressure on him, for a couple hours, or so.

UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

Also, back at AcRv, just because someone is new is no reason to hault a good case. Now, I'm not saying the case on Quinter isn't flawed, but if you get a good case on anyone -- anywhere, in any game -- then you should drive it home. Don't stop because he's new. Now, maybe it might be a good idea to give him a little leeniancy, but don't stop driving your case.

[mcqueen]

Request Replacement

I've been hurtful to town so far and that I apologize for. I'm requesting replacement so I can focus on a game already finished, one I'm modding and one I'm ICing.

I could probably try to speculate on this, but it's just going to be useless WIFOM and crap, so I won't bother.

[mcqueen]

I'm pretty sure there is a bee in my house, but I can't tell. Weird.

Anyways, andrew94, I'm posting fluff because what am I supposed to do? Scumhunt? Off of what? Nothing here interests me, or appeals to me, enough to speculate on. What's said has been said, there's really not much else, at the moment.

And a one vote for pressure works in aaround an hour, then it dies. It's to show you don't go along with something, and it won't happen while you're here. Then, when it dies, that's when you unvote.

[mcqueen]

Nothing much I can do about the activity right now, but I think the shotgun vote was still a solid lead. I understand that people sometimes do not read the setup at all or skim it, but it's more likely that a scum would not know the exact powers of the town roles because they didn't get a PM telling them about it.

Um. Not reading your Role PM is a shit case. There was a game that got eaten by tigers in the crash, and I nearly forgot my role, yet I the Mod wouldn't send me another Role PM. So you can't make a case on someone for not reading it fully. Because they could have also missed something by mistake and not noticed. It's just a shit case.

[mcqueen]

Which is why I'm no longer endorsing it.

Well it's hard to tell, you really make no impression on me, so I have hardly any clue what in hell you're doing.

[mcqueen]

Which is why I'm no longer endorsing it.

...as of when?

As of when I switched my vote away from him.

Hmm. I push a case. I find someone more scummy. I push a case on them. A + B + C = D, where D means I'm not endorsing my original case, A. Makes sense, huh?

[mcqueen]

I reread this multiple times and cannot understand the addition analogy. Right now I am endorsing the Jal lynch, since I am voting for him.

You find drmyshotgun scummy for a dumb reason. This is A. You make a (shit) case on him. This is B. You find someone scummier than drmyshotgun, which would be Jal. This is C. You said you are no longer endorsing your case on drmyshotgun, because you're endorsing Jal's lynch. This is D. A + B + C = D. Well, that addition is incorrect, because (although this is not proven, it's mostly common sense), just because you are endorsing someone else's lynch, doesn't mean you aren't endorsing your case on drmyshotgun. You're just not posting it in-thread. But you're endorsing it to yourself. Probably to be used later, in which I will ignore, because the case meant nothing to me.

Don't take any of my thoughts to be rude, I'm just using the rudeness for emphasis. Sorry if I've insulted you. Wasn't intended.

[mcqueen]

I understood it. He's asking why you having additional scumreads makes you stop endorsing your original scumread.

Correct. Thank you, kondi2424.

You can only endorse one lynch at a time.

@Phillammon:

I don't like his tone at all. It's way too snarky. His push on AcRv and attack for an OMGUS vote is bad.

You weren't endorsing two lynches at a time. You were endorsing your case on drmyshotgun, while endorsing Jal's lynch.

[mcqueen]

Quinter's making good points, and everything's explained adequately. His point on shotgun is good, and I dislike the whole exchange from 107 to 110, but I ddislike how McQUeen is sort of buddying up to me there more than I dislike the perceived manipulation, so VOTE: McQueen

I'm not buddying to you, I'm buddying to your problems. I will not let anyone -- I don't care if it's a fucking shitter -- get policy lynched because of his troubles, such as late game lislynch bait, easily manipulated, bad player, etc. I don't play those games. I play Mafia.

[mcqueen]

Besides Phillammon, if we're both town, I'm just going to let scum lynch you? Um, no. So why should it matter if I "buddy you?"

[mcqueen]

Quinter's making good points, and everything's explained adequately. His point on shotgun is good, and I dislike the whole exchange from 107 to 110, but I ddislike how McQUeen is sort of buddying up to me there more than I dislike the perceived manipulation, so VOTE: McQueen

I'm not buddying to you, I'm buddying to your problems. I will not let anyone -- I don't care if it's a fucking shitter -- get policy lynched because of his troubles, such as late game lislynch bait, easily manipulated, bad player, etc. I don't play those games. I play Mafia.

Who is this person we are talking about?

Not you.

[mcqueen]

Vote: Jal
I don't like his tone at all. It's way too snarky. His push on AcRv and attack for an OMGUS vote is bad.

Are you mostly voting me for not liking my tone or do you actually think I'm scum?

Mcqueen

: No one was going to get policy lynched.

~ I've decided to take this part out, when I P-Edited. ~

Anyways, it could lead to a policy lynch. It

could

, but

didn't

. That's why I

unvoted

.

[mcqueen]

I really don't like AcRv.

First, he won't explain a townread. Since when do people not explain reads, because scum might use that against him? That's why you don't make tons of lists explaining all your reads. I do it, but only occasionally. Thus, you should explain your (town)read (or any signular read, if requested to explain it).

Second, he tries to make a case on someone for not reading their Role PM. First, this cannot be proven; he could lie about it (don't ask me why, but he could). Second, it's just a bad case. It ends up in a big arguement, with a whole lot of reasoning based off of shit WIFOM. That's not a legitimate arguement. Neither are cases based on "What if?".

Third, he's voting someone (I can't remember)* for denying defending a player. Well, if you haven't noticed, I denied defending Phillammon, on the basis that I wasn't defending him, I was defending his problems he has. Well, maybe whoever you're voting has a legimate reason for "defending" whoever he was "defending." Just because he denies something, esepcially something minor, that you

assume

is true, doesn't mean he's scum.

So, I'm liking an AcRv lynch right now.

VOTE: AcRv

*@Lastsurvivor - I don't know if you've posted a votecount recently, but I don't see one in the number of previous posts I can scroll through on my New Post screen, so could you post one? Thanks.

[mcqueen]

THat's terrible, mcqueen. UNVOTE: , VOTE: McQueen

1) Explaining how to get a townread out of you will end up in you being permanently crippled in all future games, as Scum will be able to emulate.
2) Not having read a core mechanic of the game as well as not reading their role PM properly? That's not bad grounds for a policy lynch, let alone a scum lynch. I've seen people hang for far less.
3) Okay, that's fair enough. But the other two are terrible.

I appreciate that 2 would be better grounds for hanging shotgun, but he said something else that makes me hesitant on that front. So, next best thing, I guess.

I've never been told it's not a good idea to explain a singular read if asked. No matter townread, scumread, cultread, third party read, etc. Only if it's consistant long reads lists.

... So you know that he got a town PM do you? You right there admited it. My case was because I assumed that if he got the PGO PM he would have read it, which was why he wouldn't know. You just then said that the case was on him for not reading his PM. Is that because you know he got a PGO PM so you automatically ruled out the fact that he didn't get a PGO PM?

This is WIFOM. I never said I knew he had a PGO Role PM. I said (and meant it in the way of) I have a townread on him, so I'm assuming he has a Vanilla Townie Role PM. Mhm. (Yes, I put Vanilla Tonwie on purpose, just because I felt like being sarcastic. I do mean PGO, not Vanilla Townie.) But my main point was, you can't base a whole case or read on not reading, skimming, or misreading your Role PM. It's only a small part of a case. Basing a whole case off of it is pure ignorancy to me.

[mcqueen]

Time to switch.

unvote

Vote: Quinter

Why??

Why not?

Because we would like to hear your reasoning? Oh wait, I thought just voting random people and jumping on bandwagons was a townlike thing to do. My mistake.

[mcqueen]

Time to switch.

unvote

Vote: Quinter

Why??

Why not?

Because we would like to hear your reasoning? Oh wait, I thought just voting random people and jumping on bandwagons was a townlike thing to do. My mistake.

Yo SV. Get your ass in here and "defend" yourself. Cmon. What? Too busy in your Scum QT? Well then. Can I spank you? You're just sooo bad.

[mcqueen]

How was that opportunistic if it was valid?

Because "busy in a QT" doesn't mean they have daytalk. It means he could be masturbating while reading whatever was posted pregame (as it's unusual for scum not to be able to talk pregame).

[mcqueen]

So yeah more mcqueen votes

Lull. Get me a sammich first.

[mcqueen]

I usually don't pay too close attention to the front pages, and I doubt mcqueen does either. My bad, but I still find it a scumtell.

I do. Even in Large Games. But in Large Game's, usually after the first 20 pages I just stop reading everything, as it wastes my time. I try to, but sometimes I'm not going to sit there 20 minutes or more, reading 100 or more posts.

[mcqueen]

Sorry, missed you first time. I thought I was still voting quin, so I voted mcqueen. Both times. So yeah, forgetful is correct.

As a friend of mine on another website -- by the name of Mine Tanker -- would say, "Wow bro."

[mcqueen]

Time to switch.

unvote

Vote: Quinter

Why??

Why not?

Because we would like to hear your reasoning? Oh wait, I thought just voting random people and jumping on bandwagons was a townlike thing to do. My mistake.

Yo SV. Get your ass in here and "defend" yourself. Cmon. What? Too busy in your Scum QT? Well then. Can I spank you? You're just sooo bad.

As much as I'd love to assist in your deviation, I'll have to decline. You aren't my type.

unvote

Um. I still want to hear your "defense." Or are you too bad to "defend" yourself?

[mcqueen]

UNVOTE: Phill

For the time being, I'm willing to drink the town Phill kool-aid due to his latest posts following my vote.

Kondi reads town as well. Derp town, but town nonetheless. Reviewing this page, although I don't agree with what Kondi originally voted McQueen for, this post of his does seem suspicious:

Because "busy in a QT" doesn't mean they have daytalk. It means he could be masturbating while reading whatever was posted pregame (as it's unusual for scum not to be able to talk pregame).

It seems he's going a long way to find a defense. It's very obscure and unbelievable. This is on top of the fact that there was a perfectly reasonable explanation available to him which he admits to later - that he did read the first few pages and knew scum have day talk.

There is some weirdness going on between Phill and McQueen, and for now I'm satisfied that the problem isn't on Phill's end.

VOTE: McQueen

LOL. Nice one, noob.

I made that post, because, in fact, "busy in a QT" doesn't mean talking. It

can

mean talking, but doesn't

necessarily

mean talking. Hence, he could be

masturbating, while reading pregame posts

. It's a very realistic possibility.

I wish I could just shoot, instead of firing back at people who target me, because there are a lot of people I'd consider shooting tonight.

[mcqueen]

... So you know that he got a town PM do you? You right there admited it. My case was because I assumed that if he got the PGO PM he would have read it, which was why he wouldn't know. You just then said that the case was on him for not reading his PM. Is that because you know he got a PGO PM so you automatically ruled out the fact that he didn't get a PGO PM?

This is WIFOM. I never said I knew he had a PGO Role PM. I said (and meant it in the way of) I have a townread on him, so I'm assuming he has a Vanilla Townie Role PM. Mhm. (Yes, I put Vanilla Tonwie on purpose, just because I felt like being sarcastic. I do mean PGO, not Vanilla Townie.) But my main point was, you can't base a whole case or read on not reading, skimming, or misreading your Role PM. It's only a small part of a case. Basing a whole case off of it is pure ignorancy to me.

Why would I put a case on someone for misreading a Role PM? I put the case on him because I thought that he didn't get a PGO PM. You're twisting it to sound like I put a case on a poor townie who didn't read their Role PM... they may have not read their Role PM, yes. I don't like the fact that you're pushing that he MUST have misread his Role PM.

The reason that I'm voting you is because you defended a player and then denied you did. Town have no reason to deny defending someone. Scum can do that for distancing, which can be WIFOMed into buddying. You're only point on me thus far has been "you're making it look like me and gunny are connected". But the thing is that you are. At least you've got a connection to him... he seems mostly oblivious to it, so I dunno if you actually are buddies or if you were buddying him.

How does this make sense?

Okay, here's a clearer version of what I'm trying to say: I'm saying that for you to defend shotgun so early on, you must either be town, or scum buddies with him, because scum like cases going around. If you were scum and he were town, you would have left it.

Although now I think about it, I do see a bit of a problem with my logic.

Here is your original vote on me in post 56. I hadn't yet ~denied defending~ anyone. You created the entire notion of me defending/denying defending. You work under false assumptions and make faulty conclusions in an attempt to make something out of nothing being there.

...

If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.

Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him.

This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.

Uhm...

despite having apparently

read

your PM, and despite both PMs being posted above?

Whoa whoa whoa. We're already assuming too much here.

... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.

Also, I haven't yet stated a case against you. Why do you keep saying so? I voted you because you are scummy.

Pointing out scummy things someone does and voting them for it is putting a case on someone.

Yes my logic was wrong with the connection, I'll admit. However - your response to the incorrectly placed pressure by saying "I never defended him" and "I never put a case on you", seems off.

Uhh Kondi

• Daystart
  Mafia have daytalk
  Each PGO must select which night they would like to arm themselves. They only get one night.
  Mafia may opt to no-kill if they wish.
  

... Wow, that's a new mechanic... that would have been useful for scum last time, seeing as two of them never confirmed and so the Mafia had NO discussion time at all.

Okay, Phill's reply is ringing Town.
VOTE: Jal
Strange how Quinter mentions your vote is fishy and you change your vote to the most popular wagon just now?

I was going to say something similar...

@Top - I could keep trying to make an arguement out of this, but I'm going to leave it. I'm getting nowhere, and since the rest of your post rings very town to me, there's not much point.

[mcqueen]

Except that's fucking retarded.

Except I didn't ask you to speak, did I?

Except it's still a very realistic possiblity, no matter how retarded. How am I supposed to know what he does when he reads? Honestly, I don't want to know.

Except that was another one of your useless fluff posts, trying to paint it as content, by giving me something to post about. I can honestly post about anything, so it doesn't make your post useful. Only to me keeping active, so thanks for that, I guess.

Except when you've played up to your fluff post meta, it's never turned out good between us, as we've never had a good game, even if the other loses (I still want my revenge). Be more pro-town like you were in New York 150 (I think it was this one), before you replaced out, and that game that I lost in, Mini 1390, I believe. I liked that kondi2424, more fun to play with. You do that, and I'll be the towniest guy in the game, like I was in New York 150.

(For reference, here is New York 150 and Mini 1390.)

[mcqueen]

Also, here is the whole reason I've been "defending" Phillammon a bit. Go read (yes, I know it's 100+ pages, but read from Day 5 or 6 to the end) Worst Role Mafia. As you can see, (although part of the reason was because of my stupid fakeclaims), I was scum's (callforjudgement's, as he was the only mafiosi left, at the time) late game mislynch bait. If I could have gotten mafia-n00b lynched, I would have been onto callforjudgement the next day. After that, in LyLo, Phillammon voted Trevor early, and callforjudgement hammered. But Phillammon pulled a 360, and said (this actually ranks as my favor quote on MafiaScum), "Yup. Genuine town. Except you forgot something. Game's not over yet." Technically, if you argue this out, when callforjudgement (would have) targets Phillammon the following night, callforjudgement is roleblocked, and loses his ability (in his case, factional ability) for the night, while becoming part of the Green Goo, yet never able to kill Phillammon, so it could be said as a tie. But izakthegoomba called the 1v1 rule, hence giving callforjudgement the win. I honestly, despite being bitter over my incompetent phailure, enjoyed watching Phillammon almost pull it off, yet I didn't want that to happen to him in this game.

Almost pulling it off

, but not quite. Honestly, I left my alignment out of my "defending" of him, and took a personal approach. That's why it seems weird.

Take this how you want, but I've said what I've had to say, so yea.

[mcqueen]

I don't have as much time as before. I'll try, but don't have high expectations.

Fine. But you try to do better, so will I. Good luck, mate. Have fun.

[mcqueen]

Om of the Non has commented on nearly everyone, but me. :c

[mcqueen]

Fuck. Nevermind. Dumb shit kindle.

[mcqueen]

I DON'T LOVE YOU

I just told my mommy on you. Good luck with her tonight. Btw, it's 2:30 AM here, and I'm not even tired.

On this note, duck, duck, goose. I choose Om of the Nom. Want to 1v1 me boii? I am bad. You can spank me now.

[mcqueen]

COME AT ME, MR. POTATO.

[mcqueen]

I NEED AN ADULT! I NEED AN ADULT!

Depends, I am obvious town, but I don't know if you are scum yet. If you are scum, I'll happily 1v1 you. But if you are town I'll decline because I don't wanna die either

You are not obvious town to me. No one is, yet.

@AcRv

"Shooting down a case against player x is defending player x."

- No, this is called

Attacking Player X

.

Defending Player X

is shooting down someone else's case about them, in order to protect them.

[mcqueen]

You are not obvious town to me. No one is, yet.

Something must be wrong in your head then. I am always super duper obv townie and that's the way I like it :3
Responding to AcRv now.

Um. You claimed scum in Open 384, when I was Modding.

[mcqueen]

As Mitt Romney drawls on about a boring topic, gunfire rings through the stage. Suddenly, Mitt is on the ground. Mitt Romney,

Politican,

died Pregame. The crowd begins to shout at Barack Obama, who must have staged this stunt, but he is shot as well. Barack Obama,

Politician,

died Pregame.

People chant throughout the audience. "Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!"
Everyone grimaces. Those weren't the only Ron Paul fans kicked out of the stage. Ron Paul mafia has begun.
One of the townsfolk changes the channel.

D1 VOTE COUNT #6

Jal (L-2) - AcRv, Quinter, drmyshotgun, brundibar

AcRv (L-4) - mcqueen, kondi2424
mcqueen - (L-4) andrew94, Jal
Phillammon (L-5) - Om of the Nom
Quinter -
andrew94 -
drmyshotgun -
Shattered Viewpoint -
kondi2424 -
brundibar -
Om of the Nom-

Not voting: Phillammon, Shattered Viewpoint,

V/LA: Quinter LA until approximately 6/16 (but he can still post),

With 11 alive, it takes six to lynch

I'm glad you all didn't realize I was V/LA. The asking for VCs made me happy even though I said I wasn't going to be here multiple times...

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-23 23:13:00)

@Mod: Kondi is voting for McQueen

@Lastsurvivor - Please edit and fix the votecount. I've had Mods make mistakes, forgot to edit the votecount, and made the same mistake 2 more times. I don't want to go through that again.

Also, @Om of the Nom - What is your current read on Jal? What is your current stance on Jal's wagon? And if you weren't voting for AcRv, who would you be voting for?

P-Edit -

mcqueen: Feisty! I like it. I'll say more to you later.

I'm having conflicting emotions about this...

[mcqueen]

Hey, Shattered Viewpoint. Would you like to get in here and post, now? Or do you want to keep lurking?

[mcqueen]

You are not obvious town to me. No one is, yet.

Something must be wrong in your head then. I am always super duper obv townie and that's the way I like it :3
Responding to AcRv now.

Um. You claimed scum in Open 384, when I was Modding.

Because that was the most obviously pro-town gambit ever because it started a huge amount of discussion as intended. I knew what I was doing then, I didn't claim scum blindly.

Also, my stance on Jal is leaning-town right now. I haven't bothered to read past Page 3 but I'm not sure if I like his wagon. If I wasn't on AcRv I would probably be on Phillamon.

No. Claiming scum is never pro-town, and some Mods will blacklist you for it. You're lucky I don't have problems with people fakeclaiming scum in my games. Be that as it may, not having problems with it, does not mean that it is not anti-town.

[mcqueen]

On mobile, so excuse me for any mistakes.

I do not care what the

gambit

did,

claiming scum as town

is never pro-town. Now sit down.

You are not obvious town to me. No one is, yet.

Something must be wrong in your head then. I am always super duper obv townie and that's the way I like it :3
Responding to AcRv now.

Um. You claimed scum in Open 384, when I was Modding.

Because that was the most obviously pro-town gambit ever because it started a huge amount of discussion as intended. I knew what I was doing then, I didn't claim scum blindly.

Also, my stance on Jal is leaning-town right now. I haven't bothered to read past Page 3 but I'm not sure if I like his wagon. If I wasn't on AcRv I would probably be on Phillamon.

No. Claiming scum is never pro-town, and some Mods will blacklist you for it. You're lucky I don't have problems with people fakeclaiming scum in my games. Be that as it may, not having problems with it, does not mean that it is not anti-town.

It was the most super obvious gambit and it still worked. There was no problem with it at all. I didn't even get lynched for it.

[mcqueen]

@AcRv: I'm pretty sure "defend" is a verb.

kondi2424, even you got to agree here - he gave the definition of defending himself, then tried to use it for other people. LOL.

[mcqueen]

The action of claiming scum as town is not pro-town, yes. But the intent of it may be pro-town.

My main point focused on just the claim. That is anti-town, making you not obviously town. (Just pointing this out, you aren't always obviously town, like you said earlier.)

[mcqueen]

In a way, I agree with kondi2424.

Alas, Om of the Nom, claiming scum is shit play, and I could have modkilled you for it. Why do you think some Mods do? For the hell of it?

Phillammon, your reasoning has been crap shit, lately. Get it together, boii.

[mcqueen]

No, it's not shit play. It just depends on how it's executed (and I admit I didn't do it the best way).

It's shit play. I refuse to argue this any longer.

[mcqueen]

No it's not depending on how you play it.

No. Sit down. I am not pushing any logical cases about this at you, since you phail to give one in return.

[mcqueen]

No, it's not shit play. It just depends on how it's executed (and I admit I didn't do it the best way).

End of discussion.

OMG. LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

CLAIM SCUM AS TOWN - PLAYING AGAINST YOUR WINCON. SHIT PLAY.
CLAIM SCUM AS SCUM - UM, YOU GAVE YOURSELF AWAY. THAT'S NOT SHITTY?

NOW YOU HAVE JUST BEEN MCQ'D. SIT DOWN.

[mcqueen]

It's not playing against your wincon if it produces discussion and reactions you can use for scumhunting. That's the whole point of claiming scum as town in the first place.

YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN MCQ'D. SIT DOWN, OR GET OUT. >:D

[mcqueen]

Sorry for my small "dissappearance." I went to the kitchen to get a snack, come back, and the power goes out. Just got it back a few minutes ago.

Also, I missed this earlier -

mcqueen: What are your thoughts on Phill?

He's being a very stupidly, aggravating, annoying version of town Phillammon. But, alas, I have a townread on him.

[mcqueen]

Yeah, sure. You're still scum no matter your excuse. What did my reaction do to your read on me?

He's not scum, just a very Vanilla Idiot version of his town self.

[mcqueen]

"More later" should be utilised to delete that problem.

Lmfao.

Quniter and Shattered Viewpoint. Get your ****ing asses in here and give us some ****ing content, ****ing damnit. ****ing thank you, ****ers.

[mcqueen]

But anyways, claiming scum is either playing against your wincon, or exposing yourself. That is shit play. Do not even attempt to tell me it is not.

• Quinter, please explain your reads on the following people - Jal, AcRv, Om of the Nom (in more detail), and Phillammon.
  
• Shattered Viewpoint, stop hardcore lurking, please. Thanks.
  
• drmyshotgun, you haven't been giving much content lately. Could you please give some?
  
• Phillammon, could you play up to your town meta, as I'm pretty sure you're town?
  
• kondi2424, what is your read of Phillammon?

That should do it for now.

[mcqueen]

I've already said that Phil is obvious town.

Sorry, I missed that.

Wait... no I didn't. I forgot... I remember now.

McQueen <- Forgetful.

[mcqueen]

No problem ^_^

[^_^].

[mcqueen]

I'll keep lurking, thanks. Glad you found it acceptable to make the offer.

Here's the thing. It wasn't an offer.

UNVOTE: - (I forget if I am still voting AcRv or not.)
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

[mcqueen]

I personally think SV is town for being more useful than his scum usual.

Lmao.

To be honest, I've never actually

played

with Nobody Special, but I have

seen

him a little bit. I didn't pay much attention, though.

[mcqueen]

I must say this before Lastsurvivor posts the day ending votecount -

Where in my definition did it say "of oneself"? Hm? Yeah, I called it a noun (what happens when you're sleep deprived), but does that change the point? Honestly, that's not even good pedanticism, just stupidity!

I have so much temptation to yell at you how stupid this is, but there is no time for that, and it would be pointless. You explained defending as protecting yourself from an attack (well, I used a different wording, but you get the point). If someone else is getting attacked, and you defend [them], you are defending

yourself

, using your definition. Defending someone else is

protecting them

from an attack, not protecting yourself, then saying it's defending someone else. I know my wording is bad in a lot of this post, but I'm trying to make it quick, but you are naive not to see the flaw in your usage of your definition.

Shattered Viewpoint is just an utter bastard for hammering like that. Am I the only one with a pretty solid townread on Jal, or what?

Phillammon, you are not obnoxious.

Om of the Nom, post your reads,

today

, before Lastsurvivor locks the thread. I will be tempted to vote you at dawn, if you phail to do so.

Jal, I may be the only one with a townread on you, so I wish you farewell in heaven. Have a nice time.

For reads -

• AcRv - Very naive, and seemingly semi-unintelligent, and I have back-up to make a case on how he is town or scum, so I'll just leave him at null. -
  Null
  
  
• andrew94 - He's just being andrew94. Probably town, though. -
  Town
  
  
• brundibar - His activity hasn't been the best, but while he's been here, he's made some good attempts at scumhunting. -
  Town
  
  
• drmyshotgun - Besides that little disagreement we had, he's been pretty townie. Just get your butt in here, tomorrow, and speculate/scumhunt some more. -
  Town
  
  
• Jal - I am like the only one with a townread on him. We'll see when Lastsurvivor posts the votecount. -
  Town
  
  
• kondi2424 - He's been playing like the good, townass, kondi2424. -
  Town
  
  
• Om of the Nom - I do not want to speculate on him. It will take up half the page, and I am too lazy to do that, plus I don't have that amount of time. -
  Town
  
  
• Phillammon - Null. His play has been swinging from townie to scummy. -
  Null
  
  
• Quinter - Stop lurking? You and Shattered Viewpoint are great lurkers, you know that? -
  Scum
  
  
• Shattered Viewpoint - Nobody Special. I'll admit, you seemed nothing like the Nobody Special I (half-)know, so now my read may be biased. But I'm going to have to say you're scum. Even if you're an Alt, you aren't playing anything like the town Nobody Special. -
  Scum

The third mafiosi is probably one of my null reads.

kk, good night, don't let the bed bugs bite, everyone.

~ mcq

[mcqueen]

No. Reads now, or you'll have my vote at dawn.

When the game gets serious, I don't play around. I'm not playing around, now. Reads. Now.

[mcqueen]

God damn you fucking scum, you had to kill kondi2424? Fuck this game, now.

VOTE: Om of the Nom - One of the many with a scumread on Jal, and due to how he was repeatedly saying he is always obviously town, I find him scum trying to buy town points, using his meta. Not falling for it, mate.

[mcqueen]

Hmm. You guys just reminded me of where I left off yesterday... and it wasn't on Om of the Nom. And it was a more solid-based read.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Quinter

If my vote hadn't of been on AcRv yesterday, here's where it would have been.

[mcqueen]

Sorry, I've been V/LA. Let me catch up.

[mcqueen]

All I mainly have to say is -

You tell me where the heck I specified that it was defending oneself. Nobody else get in the way here, I want mcqueen to acknowledge that he's making crap. The word "defend" means the same damned thing no matter who's on what end. It is still repelling and attacker.

You are a complete fucking idiot. Just shut the fuck up, will you?

And, @Phillammon - I don't know how Lastsurvivor will run this game, but it's not exactly MyLo. If we lynch wrong, and scum kill an armed person, then it's (Town:Scum) (X+1):X, essentially LyLo, possible MyLo, as if we no-lynch, and scum kill an armed person, it's still (X+1):X. It's confusing.

Stay civil broski...-LS

[mcqueen]

barring successful PGO-ing

Don't know what barring means.

---

I was trying to post this earlier, but the dumb security thing my mom put on here kept blocking the preview post screen, and the submit post button crap.

It's all like this -

• MyLo (No) and LyLo (No) - No-lynch today. Essentially becomes either possible MyLo (if scum no kill; if scum kill an armed person) or certain LyLo (if scum kill an unarmed person) on Day 4.
  
• MyLo (No) and LyLo (No) - Town lynches wrong, scum kill an armed person. Essentially becomes certain LyLo on Day 4.
  
• MyLo (Yes) and LyLo (No) - Town lynches wrong, scum kills an unarmed person. Essentially ends the game in a scum win.

[mcqueen]

You can't back up your claim so you mindlessly abuse the person asking you to do so. Seems legit. I LIEKD U BT3R WHEN U W3RA TOKNG LIEK THIS!!!11 WTF LOL

Wrong. I do it because I'm not going to argue with a complete fucking idiot that doesn't understand a simple explanation from me.

I'm liking AcRv just due to how much of an idiot he is. Scum tend to crack down and become idiots under pressure, but since AcRv is worse, he doesn't need the pressure to crack down.

VOTE: AcRv

(Disclaimer - I do not mean you are a fucking idiot, I actually casually use bad words, more for emphasis than for insult. People constantly mistake the meaning of the words when I use them. Although it can be said as rude, that is how I emphasize my posts a lot of times. Sorry if anything feels insulting.)

[mcqueen]

Alright, calling it now. Gunny/SV/Mcqueen scumteam.
That was seriously one of the worst reasons for justifying your vote that I have ever seen. AcRv is in no way a policy lynch, and your assertion that scum become idiots under pressure is stupid and has no base or evidence to back it up.

Mcqueen wagon go.
VOTE: mcqueen

I have the strongest temptation to troll about this, then go masturbate on my couch. Please do not tempt me.

[mcqueen]

Um, nice flavor? lol...

You really think so?

[mcqueen]

Don't worry mcqueen, I learned to ignore most insults during the first thirteen years of my life. Now I just make mockeries of them. Although in this case I don't see where you're coming from in that, as I said, my definition never specified that it had to be defending yourself... and that you claim it did repeatedly and try to say I'm stupid for not agreeing with your blatant lie.

I have so much temptation to yell at you how stupid this is, but there is no time for that, and it would be pointless. You explained defending as protecting yourself from an attack (well, I used a different wording, but you get the point). If someone else is getting attacked, and you defend [them], you are defending

yourself

, using your definition. Defending someone else is

protecting them

from an attack, not protecting yourself, then saying it's defending someone else. I know my wording is bad in a lot of this post, but I'm trying to make it quick, but you are naive not to see the flaw in your usage of your definition.

Defend: n. To ward off, repel (an attack or attacker)

... I see that you see defending as "Protecting someone", but to protect someone you must stop the attacker(s) from getting to them. And guess what other terms for that are? Repelling them, or warding them off. Like my definition. They are literally the same, but you claimed that my definition only was for oneself here.

I think SV might be the fall-guy for the Scum team.
Do all the dirty works with an as-a-matter-fact tone.

Sorry, missed that.

The definition you gave is on the fine line between defending yourself and someone else. Can we honestly just drop this argument, as it's not helping us get any closer to winning?

[mcqueen]

Alright. Let's get down to business.

UNVOTE:

@Lastsurvivor - It's... just what it is. It's funny how you have no clue of a baseball player from the Boston Red Sox or New York Yankees, so you just put some good player.

@Om of the Nom - Your play here really agitates me. You say you are always obviously town, and you are trying to be here, but it does not seem one bit genuine. That is where the problem lies. You seem to be faking obviously town, manipulating us with your meta.

VOTE: Om of the Nom

The funny part is that I live 45 minutes from Boston. - LS

[mcqueen]

@Lastsurvivor - [0_-].

[mcqueen]

Lol mcqueen. How am I faking town? I'm just falling into my lazy town meta right now :V
That was a seriously bad reason for an OMGUS vote.

Yea. More meta manipulation. Get your ass up and scumhunt before we lynch you, scum.

[mcqueen]

Okay then.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
SV today, Mcqueen tomorrow, Gunny the day after. Town win.

Iight, captain. And if

any

,

any

,

ANY

, one of these reads is wrong, we lynch you the next day. Deal?

With this, I guess I'll follow for today. If you're wrong, Om of the Nom, my vote will be on you first thing at dawn. You better hope you're right.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

[mcqueen]

Um, just vote Shattered Viewpoint, since Om of the Nom is "so obviously town," he much have his reads right. So let's just see about how right he actually is, eh?

If he's right (about Shattered Viewpoint), you all can bandwagon me tomorrow, hence lynching me. If he's wrong, then we all bandwagon Om of the Nom tomorrow, hence lynching him.

We've already got one supporter (drmyshotgun), so how about others?

[mcqueen]

Uhh I suddenly dislike McQueen's idea.
What if you are Scum and know both SV and Om is Town?

There is a simple answer to this. I'm not [scum].

[mcqueen]

If they are both town, then boy they both suck horribly.

Heh, I don't have a great meta like you. Only in 1 game have I ever played top-notch up to my wincon.

[mcqueen]

If they are both town, then boy they both suck horribly.

Heh, I don't have a great meta like you. Only in 1 game have I ever played top-notch up to my wincon.

I was NKed in that game. Even mastin2 said that

mcqueen

, of all people,

mcqueen

was NKed, so there had to be a good reason for that. And one of those is - I was so fucking obviously town, you could not even laugh about it. Regular, scummy mcqueen, was not in that game. I don't even think I ever reached L-2 in that game. Because I was so fucking town. Other times, when I'm scummy, even as town, I'm

always

the one lined up for the game-winning mislynch (unless I fuck up myself... heh, heh, ohaiderePhillammon, yourememberdatgamebro, right?). And, hey Om of the Nom, why'd you no kill last night? You trying to trick me into using my PGO? Well, I'm sorry, but I don't need to use it, because your goal is to get me lynched late in the game, not NK me, throwing away your best game-winning mislynch. And, looky. If you mislynch me today, it'll be (Town:Scum) 4:3. Looky there. If you shoot at an unarmed person, maybe even one you tricked into using their PGO, you win. How about that? Hmm? I see your plan. I may not have been playing top-notch up to my wincon, like I did in New York 150 (I've referenced this earlier in the game, and above), but I have taken some time to do some setup speculation, as you can see by my listings of what will happen if we no-lynch, mislynch, lynch correctly, etc. above, and what phase (MyLo, LyLo, Neither) it will put us into. Well, I shouldn't say

us

, because you're not part of

us

, you're part of

scum

.

You have just been

officially

McQ'd. Sit down boii.

[mcqueen]

I like how that's the only thing you can say to defend yourself.

Read the post below the one I quoted right above here (^).

If you're still standing, I am going to spank you, boii.

[mcqueen]

Anyone who knows me knows I like to dive into things without thinking. I would have shot someone no matter what last night. I'd have rather taken my chances instead of not doing anything.

Why don't you go and tell me why I would no kill instead of shooting?

Also I like how you accuse me of lining you up for the game winning mislynch. If your plan goes right, I would be the game winning mislynch. But I'm trying to get rid of you today, not tomorrow.

I am so fucking obviously town this game and anyone who isn't scum and knows my meta can verify that. I am playing to my town meta (lazy-ish town meta) this game and I'm not playing to my scum meta.

I get NK'ed all the time now (I never used to cause I used to suck lol). I got NK'ed after two days of playing a game after replacing in N2 because I was unlynchable.

Just because you suck in general, doesn't mean I can't keep pushing you for your horrible play.

1. I already did. I'm not repeating myself for you. If you want information, or analyzation, whatever you call it, speculation, that I have already given, read my posts, or get out.
   
2. No. I don't give a fuck about your meta. Your whole fucking defense -- not just in this game -- is
   always
   pertaining to your "excellent" meta. If you can't give a defense without resorting to your meta, I would honestly just like to policy lynch you, without even adding in my thoughts/theories about your alignment.
   
3. No. I'm not getting policy lynched because of my "bad play." My "bad play," is not necessarily always scummy play, like people always go back to. hiplop has said before, that you shouldn't just lynch mcqueen because of his play, because his is... unique. Unique it is, my "bad play," is when I broke down in New York 144 (only the signup thread is left, it was destroyed in the crash). This here, is
   not
   my bad play. For me, this is pretty much my normal play. It's not my, "Omg, fuck you, you're so fucking town," play, either, but it's not my "bad play," or my scummy play. My play is always scummy at first glance, you have to be able to
   actually
   read me, to
   actually
   say if it's
   actually
   scummy.

P-Edit - Hey, Om of the Nom, it wasn't a hammer (Shattered Viewpoint is at L-1), and I'm

not

dying today. You are. You are scum, who's only defense is, "My excellent meta; My meta shows I'm so fucking obviously town." Well, actually it doesn't, so look back over that when you're dead.

[mcqueen]

If you care about getting me lynched then you will repeat yourself for me.

If you want a defense that isn't meta oriented then how about this?
I am town because I have made an active effort to find the scum and I am trying desperately to get them lynched as hard as I can. I am not lining up lynches to score myself a win and I am not bullshitting up cases to make my reads "appear" to be scum.
Is that good enough for you?

Who said anything about policy lynches? You're play this game is hugely scummy and I am being pro-town and trying to get you lynched for it.

This whole post is wrong as hell.

[mcqueen]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

This was by far my best scum game, as I was pretty much the leading mafiosi. I didn't portray myself as obviously town in-thread, though, but before Lastsurvivor made his mistake, I felt pretty strong and confident in my debate with Om of the Nom. I didn't feel like I was on the weaker side, like usual, I felt like I had a little bit of power. So, this was, as I said, by far my best scum game.

Good game, everyone!

Btw, Phillammon, I told you I'd get you a win. So much for a double digit losing streak.

[mcqueen]

@Lastsurvivor - I read your Mod Notes... lololololol. Nice predictions... when we no killed, I thought at least one person would arm themselves, but apparently no one did. I knew we'd be in (a special) MyLo, and we could have a perfect win that way, instead of risking one of us dying (as you said, if one of us died, it wouldn't be hard to catch the other two of us), then having it take longer to win. All we had to worry about was getting a mislynch tomorrow, then killing someone we thought wasn't armed, and we'd win. I had it figured out.

[mcqueen]

Also, @kondi2424 - Teehee. I've gotten my revenge, now. Btw, I read the Dead QuickTopic, and at the end, you had both my partners nailed as scum (

brundibar

, drmyshotgun,

Phillammon

), but not me. You even said I was town. I McQ'd you good, boii.

[mcqueen]

You did great this game, mcqueen. You were my second highest townread to AcRv.

Thanks.

Honestly, I wanted to keep you in the game, as it was fun townbuddying to you and all, but I figured you wouldn't arm yourself, and that I could say that scum should go get fucked, as they killed my townbuddy. I actually did say something like that at the beginning of Day 2, although I had to Preview Edit a few times, just so I could make it sound real and genuine, not fake, so I couldn't get called out on it.

Good game.

[mcqueen]

Yes, mcqueen you were great! You even had me convinced at times that you were town.

[mcqueen]

Thank goodness. I knew Ac was bluffing! Finally, I am victorious!

Also, McQueen: Wow. Also, Om, wow, but if I didn't know better I would have thought you were scum there.

I like how you changed your signature to 0% non-scum winning ratio. [-_____________________________-].

[mcqueen]

I'm surprised no one has made comments about the mod notes yet <_<

I eventually started treating this game like a horse race. My edit of #17 in the mod notes kind of shows that.

@Lastsurvivor - I read your Mod Notes... lololololol. Nice predictions... when we no killed, I thought at least one person would arm themselves, but apparently no one did. I knew we'd be in (a special) MyLo, and we could have a perfect win that way, instead of risking one of us dying (as you said, if one of us died, it wouldn't be hard to catch the other two of us), then having it take longer to win. All we had to worry about was getting a mislynch tomorrow, then killing someone we thought wasn't armed, and we'd win. I had it figured out.