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VOTE: Jackal711
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Oh no you di'int!
UNVOTE: Jackal711
VOTE: RachMarie
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Bring it.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Well aren't you original?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 17, Venmar wrote:
Why do you want me to give you solid reasons Rach? It isn't even past Day 1.
Are you saying you aren't going to give any solid reasons on Day One?
Zachrulez wrote:I'm voting him for the same reason Venmar is.
Correction, Venmar is voting me for the same reasons you are. Not the other way around. And yes, there is a difference.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 22, Venmar wrote:
- Sorry, that was a typo. I meant Page 1. Funny you would make that kind of assumption really..
You could see my astonishment at someone saying they wouldn't be giving reasoning on Day One. It wasn't an assumption, you said it. Not me. I'd be an idiot not to call it out.
Zachrulez wrote:In post 21, Robocopter87 wrote:
Zachrulez wrote:I'm voting him for the same reason Venmar is.
Correction, Venmar is voting me for the same reasons you are. Not the other way around. And yes, there is a difference.
What would the difference be?
The difference would be that Rach made a random vote.
You made an actual vote based upon my response. This was very obvious. Not needed to be spoken.
And Venmar proceeded to make a vote after you. However, unlike you, his reasoning was not obvious. Making him a bandwagoner in my eyes. Until he explained his reasoning, he was a bandwagoner. But he still voted me for the same reasons you did.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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That was the mother of all OMGUSs. Don't undershoot my OMGUSness. It was pro.
And you're getting worked up about this... why??
You got a better way to spark discussion?
RachMarie wrote:
@ Mort it was the WAY he did it just sliding on after 2 other votes on Robo. I was questioning to get discussion going.
Wow. Rach has got this figured out. Bravo.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Good question. Yes.
Zachrulez wrote:
So... do you actually find Venmar scummy? I'm seeing you being critical of him, and seeing indications that your vote on Rach was mostly to get things going, so if you find him suspicious and don't have any other underlying reason to vote for Rach, why is your vote still there?
Venmar for me is still nullish. His reactions aren't really indicative of alignment because I could see both town and scum doing the same exact thing. It isn't like this is the first game where a bunch of people randomly wagoned in the beginning.
It was however a nice place to start discussion.
On the placing of my vote. I simply forgot to remove it. We are kinda walking out of RVS. Not much has happened and my vote wasn't even close to serious.
I don't really have any other place to put my vote at this moment but I don't think Rach deserves it. Especially now we are getting into some actual discussion.
UNVOTE: RachAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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/facepalm
Did you even read the quote that you quoted?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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I said I didn't really have any other place to put it at the moment. When someone does something scummy and I find a valid reason to vote someone then I will. Otherwise it would be another random vote.
I'll vote when I find something voteworthy.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Why did you ask Jackal why no one looked suspicious? Why not me?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 49, FuDuzn wrote:Because I know you have been following the thread, but I don't believe Jackal has been.
And when Jackal says no one looks suspicious, it seems fake.......since how would know if people look fake if he hasn't been following the game?
What? He looks fake? I'll tell you whats fake, your reasoning.
In post 51, Jackal711 wrote:In post 46, FuDuzn wrote:No one looks even remotely suspicious to you Jackal? Nothing that would cause you to at least place a tentative on someone?
Not until you posted that...
VOTE: FuDuzn
In post 46, FuDuzn wrote:Serious question, have you read this thread?
Of course. I am currently involved, in some way, with 4 games. 2 of them games I"m modding. I check all games at least once an hour for new posts.
PEdit: This is totallyNOTOMGUS. I wrote this post before your vote.
Umm what? Why does that post make you vote him?
In post 53, Mortontfrh wrote:No, Rach definitely deserves your vote.
You tell Rach to Vote me then tell me to vote Rach? You never said anything about Rach being scum either. What is this i dont even
In post 55, Time Traveling Scumhunter wrote:Dear game members of 24-hours in the future:
Zach is scum. His focus on an easy target in jackal is a scumfession. He says something is scummy without believing it to be so. Does he really think that a misplaced RVS vote is "scummy" no. Town zach might believe it doesn't help town, but does he really think he's found someone who is evidencing scum tendencies? No. He does not.
VOTE: Zach
Sincerely,
Scumhunter from 24-hours in your past.
So far Zach is the only player who has done anything reasonable. He didn't focus an easy target. He focused a target he thought was scum.
Also, you better not talk like this all game. Get an avatar too.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Man, page three and we are already out of control.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 61, Mortontfrh wrote:In post 59, Robocopter87 wrote:You tell Rach to Vote me then tell me to vote Rach? You never said anything about Rach being scum either. What is this i dont even
When did I ever tell Rach to vote for you?
Sorry. Typo.
"Pursue". Not "Vote".Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Way to avoid the actual question though.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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There is more stupidity flying around than scumminess.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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So let's break this down then. Robo not only put someone to L-2 (Which you obviously find questionable giving your pressure towards Venmar) but on top of that you think that his OMGUS is problematic and yet you still opted to pursue Venmar instead of Robocop?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 69, Mortontfrh wrote:Dear lord, you interpreted that as asking Rach to pursue voting you instead of asking her why shedidn'tpursue you? There's a pretty big difference there, and I thought that was pretty obvious in my post.
It was more implied that she should be pursuing me instead of Venmar. It wasn't directly said. Or at least, thats what it sounded like.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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You stated two things wrong with me and then asked her why she wasn't pursuing me. Again, thats what it sounded like.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Well, I was the last person to post actual game related content so I have nothing to say.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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You think he is more town for defending you?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Then what did Zach do that changed your mind? It appears that you said he was town right after he defended you.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Stop talking like that.
Get an avatar.
@Venmar: You have something more important to talk about?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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@TTS: Stop talking like that. Its annoying and useless. How about you make a more sound case than assuming he might've thought something about someone else.
Also, he wasn't the only person to drop in with a filler post, activity dropped, multiple people had to say stuff. Why are you tunneling Zach?
@Jackal: Morton beat me to thread, but I also would like the answer to his question.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 110, RachMarie wrote:Mort tends to have tunnel vision. He almost always assumes I am scum even when proven wrong.
Meanwhile I want to hear more from Robo, now that Venmar spoke. I really do have a method to my madness even if it is not fully apparent off the bat.
I am a big picture person and I work hard to peg everyone as soon as I can, leaving room of course for some major scum tells. So it is not set in stone town or scum especially this early, however it gives me a good guideline of who is likely scum and who is likely not scum.
Mort, on the other hand, has a very straight for the jugular approach on one person and not let go til they are dead.
Yes I have been having RL issues and I am working hard to keep up with my games. Looks like I won't be going V/LA though, since my dad will not be able to come down after all before starting chemo and radiation therapy on Thursday.
What I read from this,
"I don't have a response to Mort so I'm going to deflect to Robo. I am scumhunting, you just don't know it."
The last part though i don't mind. Your activity level is non indicative of your alignment. I know your in a rough spot. Still calling you out though. Sorry.
Jackal711 wrote:Popping in to
VOTE: RachMarie
I've seen her as town and scum (I was also in that newbie game that Morton linked where she flipped scum) and am getting mostly scum-vibes from her posts so far.
This vote is pathetic.
@Mort: You really are throwing your vote around. What gives? You were voting Zach and then the next thing I know you are calling him town.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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@ TTSH: You are just twisting Zach's words to make it seem like he has done something scummy. He is right, you have clearly tunneled only Zach this whole game and have not provided any useful information whatsoever.
I'm not saying that Zach is obvtown, I'm saying that your case on him being scum sucks. If you were to actually provide a decent case I would look into it. But right now you think Zach has some Ego problem when in reality its kinda obvious that hes frustrated your pushing your stupid case.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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You did not answer the question in its entirety.
When I say "throwing votes around", I mean, "Dropping reads fast"
You were voting Zach, then suddenly you voted Rach and called Zach town. Why did you do that?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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I could've sworn that sentence under Mort's Rach vote had something to do with Zach being more towny. Upon ISOing, I find that this is not true, he never said a word about Zach being town.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 154, Time Traveling Scumhunter wrote:To: Weekend Warriors of the Future
From: TTHS
Re: Robo skims and spouts off
Zach wrote:Starting here, I don't scumhunt this way, so your entire analysis in this regard is faulty. I indiscriminately hunt for scummy play, I don't take into account whether the person committing the actions is an "easy target."
Also going to note that attacking someone for going after an "easy target" is lazy play. It's a very easy thing to attack. (For example, I could villify everyone on the Rach wagon as going after an easy target since her wagon has formed while she's apparently had real life issues if I completely ignore that her play has actually been scummy and that the wagon is warranted.
I don't see how your scumhunting differently in any way changes the fact that your attempt to equate my saying "scummy vote" to jackal and your vote on him earlier in the game are the same thing. Your attempt to cast it as something else is pretty damning.
Oh, and very "clever" to try the old "I am rubber you are glue" attack: You're scummy because you made an easy attack on me for making an easy attack on Jackal.
To give you a visual representation:
More seriously, if I wanted to go after someone easy, you aren't likely the one I would have targeted. I'm an unknown here. People aren't just going to take it off faith I know what I'm talking about, so going after you was always going to be an uphill battle. But given the fact I'm reasonably sure you're scum, it's the good fight.
Zach wrote:Are you assuming Jackal is a bad lynch? How would you know that exactly? Also how can you possibly know I'll avoid responsibility for a lynch I am on? This is magical knowledge of the future you are ninjaing into the discussion where you hope to lynch me on hypothetical arguments regardless of whether they actually prove true.
I am not assuming anything. But I AM saying that in the case where you want to pursue an easy lynch to get through the day without taking any responsibility for the lynch if it goes bad IS scummy. Which is what you do when you say that your vote is simply something to "advance the game."
Robo wrote:@ TTSH: You are just twisting Zach's words to make it seem like he has done something scummy. He is right, you have clearly tunneled only Zach this whole game and have not provided any useful information whatsoever.
Am I? Or is this an instance where you gave a very cursory skim to the exchange we've had and have concluded it?
And what "useful" information should I have been providing that I have not? I have a blinking red light of a scum read on Zach, and until someone comes up with something better, I will continue to try and show everyone else just why Zach has been scummy. His initial passive-but-I-look-like-I'm-aggressive play followed by his enraged response to me is what I'm talking about.
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You saying things like, "Robo skims and spouts off". Doesn't provide anything to your case. I have read the thread and find your argument to be fail, saying I spouted off doesn't make me wrong, it just makes you look ignorant.
Where is this list of easy lynches coming from? Who made the list of "easy to get a lynch"? You saying that nobody understands you is creating a scenario where you are a victim.
You are twisting his words. I read the thread. Stop saying I haven't. I read your argument and it sucks. I explained why, you saying that I didn't read is not a valid response.
What useful information? You haven't said a word about anybody besides Zach. You haven't given reads, possible partners, insight upon other people's cases. You aren't contributing besides these cases on Zach being scum.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 178, Jackal711 wrote:In post 177, yellowbounder wrote:In post 175, Mortontfrh wrote:Understandable. I can definitely see how it is hard to answer a simple paragraph in under 4 days.
I'd certainly say she's coming across as unhelpful.
Agreed.
Unvote, Vote: Rach
Wow.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Ugh. Jackal wtf
y u do this to meAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Deadline is not an issue yet, we have plenty of time.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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@Morton: Honestly I never believed meta to be an accurate scumtell. But you clearly show he is purposefully doing it now.
His play has become outright ridiculous, and to have him in a situation like LyLo is simply not going to happen. The only reason I was not voting him was due to everybody saying it was his norm.
However, with the addition of your insight and the realization that I am not voting, I will definitely vote him for this crap.
VOTE: JackalAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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This isn't a newbie game anymore, I'm not backing off because he self voted. Hammer that after he gives his info.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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This is absolutely ridiculous.
I want Jackal dead on the grounds of prohibiting the town from actually moving forward.
On the downside, being anti town and being scum are two different things.
It annoys the crap outta me that he can get away with this crap behavior though.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 236, Jackal711 wrote:Scum these days are apparently too smart to fall for that anymore...
I have, in the past, caught scum with that gambit. In a 2-scum setup, sacrificing 1 town for a near-guaranteed scum lynch the next day is overall a good trade.
And then he goes and covers it up by saying it was a gambit.
The problem with your "gambit" is this.
Somebody hammering doesn't make them scum. So you dying wouldn't have caught any scum.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Gonna get poked if I don't say something.
Waiting on Rach.
Try to keep the discussion to a min till the massclaim is finished. Don't want scum getting any ideas off of town discussion so they can fake their actions.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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And by massclaim I obviously mean action claims.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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popcorn it to someoneAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 308, Venmar wrote:You've been popcorn'd.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Do it.
Only scum have reason to hold back.
Just claim your action.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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If it is because you protected Jackal, then just say it. Because at this point that is all I can see you would hold back for.
I will claim, even if I wasn't popcorn'd. Mort didn't have a single reason to be last to claim. But I don't have any problem claiming my action so I'll just go ahead.
I did not take an action. I did not find anybody town enough to be protected and knew someone else would protect Rach, also I figured that the less amount of actions flying around the more likely it would be to sort through them to figure out the vary degrees of sanity of our doctors.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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I'm sure you have a reason behind the question but I don't understand why he would choose me/mort over Rach. I wasn't aware of popcorn techniques, whenever I did it I would just kinda throw it to anyone.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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I would continually hound you due to the fact that it didn't make sense to hide that information.
Also, I didn't hound you continually, I made the assumption and then moved on to claim before you just to get you to stop being a big baby about it.
Now from the information we have gathered we can begin deducing sanities.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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In post 325, Mortontfrh wrote:Didn't make sense to hide that information? How so? Town shouldn't care whether or not I was withholding information or not considering they had no reason to do anything other than claim their night action out right. Scum on the other hand could only benefit from having more information when deciding what they should claim.
As a town we decided that a popcorn mass actionclaim was the way to go.
Instead of following our predetermined path, you resisted. This is where the problem lies.
You should have simply claimed your action when you were popcorned. You had no reason to not claim the action.
Understand what I'm saying? Personally I think you are telling the truth. But you not claiming your action was a problem with no town motivation.
yellowbounder wrote:Not really sure we can work out much about our sanities from one night's round of protections. Lots of ifs and buts. Another night would be more conclusive.
I couldn't agree more.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Nobody was town enough to protect except for Rach. Even though it was deemed that she would not be a likely choice for a scum kill. I had no fear in Rach's death and did not find anybody else worthy of my protect. (I was correct in my assumption that Rach would not die.)
However, like all actions there is repercussions. The downfall of me not taking an action is that we cannot figure out my sanity easily.
I think that PoE will solve that problem, anywho.
Also, I would like to point out the possibility of scum not killing anyone in an attempt to screw with us figuring out our sanities.
Like yellow said, we can't know anything for sure just yet. But more nights will solve that problem. We should focus on scumhunting as well.
(Man this game is fun)Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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I was hardcore ninja'd, I began writing that post in response to post 331Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Very good question.
However I think that a better question is, who is town?
In which case I would say (In a top to bottom in towniness level)
Me - Obv reasons. (Because I'm so sexy of course)
Rach- More obv reasons (Not as sexy though, but she does a mean dance)
Zach - I have felt overall town vibes from Zach and have him not in my scumpool right now
Venmar - Has done some scumhunting, I would've questioned me not doing an action as well. Has done some thought and even if it is false(Which I don't know yet), then he still attempted. And I believe the attempt was genuine.
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Mort - His refusal to not send in an action intrigues me. I would like to see his response before categorizing him. I think he is town though.
Scum
Yellow - PoE
Fu - PoEAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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No no. I never said that it was only PoE. I just didn't give more reasons than PoE.
(I'll give more soon, I was just kinda pressed for time)Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Indeed there is a typo.
send in an action ought be, "reveal his action"
Dunno what the heck I was thinking.
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hur i amAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Venmar V Zach is TvT imoAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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They were strong scum reads.
He thought they were scum.
They died.
They flipped town.
What is there not to get, Mort? I don't see what you are getting atAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Ummm. No.
Nobody wanted to kill Jackal because it was normal for Jackal to act like an imbecile scummy VI.
That doesn't mean he doesn't think he was scum. That means that we didn't want to kill him because of his meta.
He thought he was scum, we didn't kill him (Even though we wanted to). He has to rethink his reads because he died during the night and flipped town.
Thus. His two scumreads turned out to be town. Thus he needs to rethink.
I'm not defending Venmar but you are blatantly misrepping him.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Aren't you dead?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Rach is so lucky she is confirmed. I'd be all up in her grill if she wasn't.
To answer whoever the heck asked me about my scumreads.
It is currently yellowbounder and funduxuzhbuuzbguzbavsbdkjhsdAlthough the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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VOTE: Fuduzn
Way to wagon.
Second pick is YB.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Are you kidding?
Look at his ISO, he never says a word about Mort being scum until he says that Mort might be scum out of a group of three.
And now he just happens to place a vote on someone who has a little bit of pressure?
I call BS. He doesn't have any case on Mort.
Mort is pretty obvtown, btw. The fact that he wished to conceal his action doesn't make sense at all from scum POV. Scum would definitely like to make sure that they state their action clearly in order to not be trapped by misinformation. Plus he is making genuine attempts at scumhunting (Even if they are weird and false). He is trying. I believe him to be town.Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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Confirmable? How? Sorry did I miss something?Although the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
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