Open 443: Attack on the Ice Cream Convention! - Day 1

[Whiskers]

/Conform!
We should all read my Carbon game for gamebreaking strategies. Anyway, I don't trust TeChNoWC to be town and lead us in a game-break yet. I think it's a lot more likely that he's

CHOCOLATE!

DUN DUN DUUUUUN.

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Vote: Whiskers

British English is her favourite.

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..... Can you vote for yourself?

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What I mean is: If scum leads the town in a "setup-breaking strategy," then they can do about whatever they want just so long as town doesn't

quite

understand.
Hypocop/seering Day2 makes sense, I don't see the point of no-lynches, and the game is in my "Topics," clearly marked Carbon 14 (I'm a bit relaxing right now and not doing links. Maybe later if you or somepony else hasn't linked it.)

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I was actually going to say, "eh, let's not break it anyway," before the modpost, because I'd rather lynch. I'm not really happy with it being taken away anyway-- hypocopping is still a good bet (in pretty much any open-cop game), but let's not direct PRs. Okay?

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Why ask? Just fuck around and see. At best, Om and I don't want to break the setup outright because it's more fun to play ("play"), so you're already going to have some resistance to any plan that gives town an autowin (which is breaking the setup-- any plan that causes the town to win no matter what-- a plan that prevents scum from hiding regardless of how well they play, THAT is breaking the game).

So: Implement or try to implement as many thingies as you want-- if it breaks the game, then OK, you win. But play it like a normal game; in other words, don't call it "breaking the game" because it makes the mod cry.

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I would personally constitue breaking as "finding a strategy to make it almost an assured win."

Now of course there are times when that's impossible to avoid, but that's fine since it's unavoidable.

I really don't want anything like that to happen willingly, as to me it'd ruin the fun of the game.
Hypoclaiming is fine, as it's just a way to get the most out of night actions.

For example, it's Day 3 and you've already lynched one scum, and the un-CC'd seer outs a guilty. Boom, autowin, right? That's okay. complex strategies requiring the whole town to act in a predetermined way are not.

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Yep, defensive.

Vote: Shotgun

["leaving it in the hooves of the players" to me means "Do what you want but they'll lynch you." From the way Maestro says it, I don't think that's what it means to him.]

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Well I'm just curious why he only mentioned a Seer and not a Cop.
Methinks he could be part of teh Warewoofs.

I also could be mafia trying to convince you that you should be looking for teh Warewoofs.

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unvote

ITS FOUR TO LYNCH GUYS dont forget.

scum points go to whiskers for not claiming L-1

What, did you not intend to lynch him? What's the point of wagonning if you're just going to hop right off again as soon as there's any meaningful pressure? Put him back at L-1 and let him claim.

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You and everypony else had an enormous townboner for me last game. It's how I play scum, man. I tell all the truths.

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Techno, put Gunny back at L-1.
Gunny shouldn't claim though.
Anyone who hammers him prematurely will get a severe yelling from me and is probably scum.

Uh. What? So... YOUR whole goal of the wagon is baiting a scumplayer into hammering?
Consider the following:
-a newbie could hammer.
-an uncareful player who doesn't realize it's at L-1 could hammer.
-if Shotgun doesn't claim, you could hammer the Seer.

So-- you want him at L-1. But you don't want a claim. And you don't want a hammer. And you

voiced

this, nullifying any meaning any of it could have had.
Why?

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Also lol at how he slipped refusing to participate in breaking the mechanics.

How is it a slip when I actually want to play the game?

Not to mention that I wanted to do the same thing.

@Maestro: Don't worry your pretty blue head about it. You didn't confirm anypony.

Naw bro, you aren't town at all this game.
Like seriously, I'm getting scumvibes from you right now.
Like in Mini 1332.

PEDIT: Whiskers, you must be new here.
If Gunny's at L-1, it will produce reactions from him. I deliberately left that out so that it would be somewhat more effective, but now that I have to say this it probably nullifies this

Yeah but look. If you tell everypony "DON'T HAMMER" then why will there be any reactions at all? Especially emotional, telling ones? He'll either hold his breath until the wagon is off, or he'll think about it for a second and plant towntells.

You got scumvibes from me in 418 and I WAS MASON

youll soon see how town i am, if you havent already.

gut guy cannot beat meta man because meta man is different every game

(okay, so it's Mustache Man, but I tried.)

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COME ON MOD. STOP SLACKING OFF [/rib]

Day 1 : Current VC #1.p0ny

jamestfox [1] L-3 Greywing
Whiskers [1] L-3 TeChNoWC
Greywing [0]
Om of the Nom [0] L-3 drmyshotgun
Malakittens [0]
drmyshotgun [2] L-2 Om of the Nom, Whiskers,
TeChNoWC [0]

Not voting: jamestfox, Malakittens,
With [7] alive it takes [4] to Lynch.

Oh no, you did not just fucking post tha- Grrr. C'mon. It hadn't changed that much.

Day 1 : Current VC #1.30

jamestfox [1] L-3 Greywing
Whiskers [1] L-3 TeChNoWC
Greywing [0]
Om of the Nom [0] L-3 drmyshotgun
Malakittens [0]
drmyshotgun [2] L-2 Om of the Nom, Whiskers
TeChNoWC [0]

Not voting: jamestfox, Malakittens
With [7] alive it takes [4] to Lynch.

[Whiskers]

Now, tech: why don't you jump right back on here. Shotgun is being uncharacteristically stupid and meta meta meta.
Regardless, caughtscum is caught. He's trying to break the game in stupid ways and either:
a, knows he's going down already and is mad and this is his reaction to it or
b, is trying to establish himself as a VI which, having played with him before, I know he is not.

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AHAHAHA.
VOTE SHOTGUN. BUDDY BUDDY BUDDY.

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aww guys let me slow the game a little, u all didnt want an instawin and now im having fun...

ARE ALL THREE OF U SCUM??

I'm the white one.

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Wait, what's "townbussing"?

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urgh that came out wrong.

player a and player b are masons who know each other is town but they call each other scum on the thread. Thats townbussing

I thought this game was all non-linked townies.

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Techno is trying hard to look relaxed and townie but he just isn't pulling it off. The question is, is his unwillingness to put Shotgun at L-1 to defend a scumbuddy or to gain him towncred?

[preedit]
Um. Oh.
Also, I'm not sure how it's supposed to modkill you.

Anyway, now I'm confused. Where are our reads, and who do we lynch? Furthermore, where is Malakittens?

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holy cats, that was hard to read.
drmy is NOT confscum to me. you're being silly. However, he is scummy, and, as far as we are into the game, he is my strongest read.
You aren't scum for not quicklynching, exactly. You're scum for backpedalling offf the wagon when it hits that critical moment, L-1, where tells and hammers alike are dropped. Since an L-1 wagon is technically what we want, It doesn't make a whole lot of sense why you'd jump off of it like it was on fire. Now: We're in the early game and I'm happy calling you scum instead of cautious town for pretty much no reason.
Thirdly, my L-1 without announcement was a mistake. Sorry. I hadn't realized it's only four votes to-lynch, I don't usually play in games this small. This actually kind of dampens the whole, "why would you want to back off from L-1!?" attack on you, since if Shotgun doesn't know he's at L-1, he won't make those reactions. I pushed it anyway to hide my own fault.
Either you are scum going for towncred, or your are scum protecting your scumbuddy. In truth, you are not necessarily either of those, but if I assume you're scum, and that you have scum motives, those are the explanations for your behaviour. Like I've said, Shotgun is not obvscum, just scum. I'm not as sold on drmy scum as you think I am.
Any questions?

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It's bullshit and you know it-- the question is, why do you continue to push it?

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So the real question is, when did you become shotty?

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See, techno, this is what I was talking about when I said scum could try to lead town in a gamebreaking strategy that really only led it into a loss. If shotty had confused a few more townies into thinking we had any confirmed town players, they'd have the PRs right in their hooves. Nightkill, nightkill, then it's like, 3/2, right?

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Since an L-1 wagon is technically what we want, It doesn't make a whole lot of sense why you'd jump off of it like it was on fire.

This is silly. No one wants L-1 wagons so quickly into D1 except scum. I jumped on the drmy wagon for content like any sane person should have at that point in time, not for quicklynching.

No, wrong: no one wants lynches so quickly into D1 except scum. L-1 wagons are perfectly fine.
Seriously, there's been this thing where everybody thing L-2 is the new L-1 and expects people to announce L-2, claim at L-2, and have reactions at L-2. What the hell? L-1 is not a lynch.

but if I

assume

you're scum, and that you have scum motives, those are the explanations for your behaviour.

You just false dilemma'd. So I'm not scum for those reasons at all, but if I AM scum then these would be the reasons behind what I did. Uh DERRRRRRRRRR.

Again, on the ASSUMPTION. But you have no reason to make that assumption and the reasons you are providing are hypotheticals to the extension of the assumption, not factors that lead to the assumption itself. Provide one good reason why you should assume I am scum.

You're not getting it-- I was saying those things from the standpoint that you were scum. There really isn't any way I could have known or proven that you were scum, so I was just acting like you were scum, and explaining your actions as though you were scum.

Also it's some intense fishing, like fucking whale fishing. And that's illegal bro.
How about follow my plan now you trust me, rather than this estupido one?

However, I actually legitimately don't understand why this. No matter what you thought of him before, this is scummy and should be voted for.

See, techno, this is what I was talking about when I said scum could try to lead town in a gamebreaking strategy that really only led it into a loss. If shotty had confused a few more townies into thinking we had any confirmed town players, they'd have the PRs right in their hooves. Nightkill, nightkill, then it's like, 3/2, right?

Paranoia without assessing the validity of a plan is just plain paranoia and stupid and scummy.
1. Drmy's plan is horribly bad and dumb. Don't do it.
2. My plan could work, and no one has bothered to weigh in on it. Could work.

The source doesn't matter. You examine the text, and you'll find out the true nature of the source.

Okay, but look-- I was saying at the beginning that since I had no idea what your alignment was, I wasn't going to immediately entrust leading the town, and leading it in breaking the game, to you. Why? Because you might do something stupid like that. You didn't, but when I said it you hadn't put forth any plans yet.

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Shotty has one RVS post, then fluff. Her second post is actually fluff that's not related to Tech & I being "mod-confirmed town," but every post after that is.

Trolling is a nulltell. However, this is not his normal play.
If drmyshotgun doesn't stop trying to be annoying, or I can't get a lynch on him, I will appeal to the mod lead a WotC to replace him. If that doesn't work, I'll simply replace out, because fuck you, troll.

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I'm not trolling. Dunno why you don't like me calling you and TeCh conf-Towns.

Yeah I wanted to break this game myself.
The rules don't say anything about No Lynching. So we can just No Lynch or reach the deadline without any votes.
But what's the point on saying it after people were told off by the Mod?

Sorry if I was "whaling". I'm not sure why that doesn't work for you guys.
Whiskers is Town. Om is just having a weird opinion on her. Another indication that Om is scumfuck.
TeCh is Town. As I've said. About a gazillion times. No fucking way a Mod will react like Maestro did had TeCh been Scum.
Since breaking the game is only advantageous to Town and guarantees their (almost) certain-win, had TeCh been Scum trying to do that, Maestro would have known that it's the Scums that are participating in the game-breakage thus leading to the conclusion that TeCh

does

have another plan.
Yet TeCh was Town. Mod knew this. Of course he does.
Thus TeCh's sole purpose of breaking the game was for Town victory which is already seemingly possible.
I don't need to use people's words or actions to get a Townread.
Most surefire Town read comes from the Moderator confirming a Town for us.

Tl;dr, the game has already been broken. Good job!

/Replace out

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I don't mind being conftown when I legitimately am.
However, if you

are

correct, then I am only conftown by mod error. I'm not conftown because I've been cleared by all the investigative roles. I'm not conftown because I didn't hammer a mislynch in LyLo. I'm conftown because you're reading a lot into what Maestro said. I don't think you're right, but when I think about it, I also don't

want

to think you're right-- even though what you say has something to it. So thanks, you've taken the fun out of the game, but don't be so shocked that I don't want to play it.

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fuck off griefer. if you don't understand what's not fun about cheating then drop it.

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if you are thinking that Maestro's posts indicate alignment, then you are only cheating there.

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doens't matter, i'm the one who has a problem with it.

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i.o.w., let someone who [wants to be conftown that way] replace in.

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Okay, there's no way for me to do this tactfully:

Maestro, what do you think of restarting the game-- reassigning roles, re-confirming, etc? Same setup, same players, new game. Maybe amend your ruleset to include gamebreaking if you want to. Might be polite to take a vote on it, if you think it's a way we could go.