Open 443: Attack on the Ice Cream Convention! - Day 1

[TeChNoWC]

/confirm

plus, ive been working on some theories to break this setup. Ill post on gamestart

[TeChNoWC]

Whiskers. Dat obvi logical fallacy.

Anyone up for no lynches, D2 hypo claims and/or predetermined targets?

Whiskers link your Carbon game and lets break the fuck out of 443 (and yo face if you are scum)

[TeChNoWC]

no lynches keep the townpool up to help move the gamebreaker along. Basically when you combine all three elements, every night we:
1. Conf a townie
2. Condemn a maf/werewolf to a horrible death
3. Direct maf/wer kills

instead of lynch we vote on someone to be copped and seered. Flaw I see is that we could run up a PR, and am currently trying to work out whether the risk of that is worth it (considering this is a risk anyway).

[TeChNoWC]

Breaking games leads to better development of games, and encourages change and fixes balance issues. Its also one of the main interests I had in joining this game.

Ill play anyway, but not happy Jan. It's like asking someone to limit the strength of their play and thus impedes on the gamestate.

Barring the fact that your opinion is based on a differing interpretation of MafiaScum policy and tactics, I guess I do see your viewpoint. If you would like to assess the level of approval you have for "breaking the setup" in this game, you are free to do so and there will be no Mod action taken against you. I would, however, ask that you not push the prospect if it becomes unpopular, and I would like this issue to be resolved soon. (As in, before Night 1.) If, at that point, there is sufficient support for breaking the setup of the game, so be it. If it is not popular when Day 1 ends, please disregard that means to an end for the duration of the game.

I would like to stop talking now, as I feel I am imposing too much of my opinions on this game. Please move forward with this compromise in mind.
You know...do RV's or RQ's or something.

~Maestro

[TeChNoWC]

There is no real definition of breaking anyway. So no strategy that utilizes the setup? Because that would take hypoclaiming out of the equation too.

Not sure I want to play a game where Im not free to do my upmost to win for town. If everyone decides to just go with hypoclaiming, im fine with that, seeing as 'I' still did my best... But I dont like the idea of the mod telling is we cant hypo claim or direct targets etc if everyone wants to do it.

what I guess I am asking is: maestro what constitutes 'breaking'? What can we and cant we do?

[TeChNoWC]

ok im fine with that maestro and it looks like people want minimal 'setup abusing' anyway. Personally I love it and do my upmost to try and work out strategies I can implement. I also think it is positive and healthy.

hypoclaiming is the more important one and must be done. Direction and no lynching makes it far more powerful though as it is easier then to disguise the PRs.

[TeChNoWC]

No it's not, breaking a game is more like trying to find a way to do the best with as little effort as possible. It's not a test of your abilities at all.

It does test abilities. Setup abuse can still be manipulated by scum and it tests towns ability to make it work. It just changes the tone of the game, and some people dont like that. Its still Mafia though. Scumhunting still drives the game (at least with my idea for this game).

my plan isnt town autowin, just gives town a better chance at it. If scum play well enough they would still win, it would just be very hard. Scum would still win if PRs made themselves look scummy

pedit: exactly, few games rely on skill in scumhunting alone. One inno can change an entire game

[TeChNoWC]

^ clearly scenario based.

pedit: dont worry Maestro. Rules understood and I am sticking around. Discussion doesnt need to continue.

ppedit let me post

[TeChNoWC]

lets leave this now for MD. Om scum points for putting suspicion on a player who clearly said 'for example'

lets go whose scum and why

[TeChNoWC]

Well I'm just curious why he only mentioned a Seer and not a Cop.
Methinks he could be part of teh Warewoofs.

Also I'm actually trying to advance the game and get away from the discussion about breaking the game.

plus slight townpoints again because yeah that last point is town motivation and so and so.

pedit: because I was a naughty boy but im gonna behabe now :p

ppedit: vote for?

[TeChNoWC]

True. Gunny no reading. Gunny baaad. Gunny MIIIIGGGHT be scums.

vote drmyshotgun

why am I calling him gunny though? Silly me I call him drmy

pedit: oooooo defensive

[TeChNoWC]

unvote

ITS FOUR TO LYNCH GUYS dont forget.

scum points go to whiskers for not claiming L-1

[TeChNoWC]

unvote

ITS FOUR TO LYNCH GUYS dont forget.

scum points go to whiskers for not claiming L-1

What, did you not intend to lynch him? What's the point of wagonning if you're just going to hop right off again as soon as there's any meaningful pressure? Put him back at L-1 and let him claim.

er you're scum ill leave my vote here

you seriously want a player to claim on page 2?!?!!)?!??!!? Da fuckles

[TeChNoWC]

wait i didnt vote u yet

vote: whiskers

[TeChNoWC]

Im more town than you brotha, person who didnt want town to win but wanted to have fub instead

[TeChNoWC]

im more town than you brotha, considering you didnt want town to win but have fun instead

pedit: theres that slip again, im wondering now if there is something in it

[TeChNoWC]

You got scumvibes from me in 418 and I WAS MASON

youll soon see how town i am, if you havent already.

gut guy cannot beat meta man because meta man is different every game

[TeChNoWC]

Na no conf there. Scum can break games too.

lets all pretend me and whiskers might have been a scumteam going for townpoints and forget that shit.

pedit: damn now i wanna be scum

[TeChNoWC]

L-1 is not a good derphammer find scum reactiin test particularly in this game. Argh so much content ily u all i hope we are all town

[TeChNoWC]

Drmy might be scum but not for those reasons. Hrs trying to get me modkilled.

drmy if u are town shut yo damn trap bout me and townbus me so i stay alive ok

[TeChNoWC]

aww guys let me slow the game a little, u all didnt want an instawin and now im having fun...

ARE ALL THREE OF U SCUM??

[TeChNoWC]

woohoo three man scumclaim i win

pedit: drmy is a good player
i found the second slip
you just did something scummy you called whiskers scum for

[TeChNoWC]

whiskers/greywing scumteam?

and actually om is town for townbussing me without needing to be asked

[TeChNoWC]

oh wait, greywing didnt put whiskers on L-1 my bad

pedit: nah youre town

[TeChNoWC]

yeah nice Om keep townbussing haha jk

townbussing is precisely that, making you think someone might be scum when you are town and you know they are town

[TeChNoWC]

urgh that came out wrong.

player a and player b are masons who know each other is town but they call each other scum on the thread. Thats townbussing

[TeChNoWC]

yeah i was joking.

but i do think om might be town.
also if drmy really thought i was mod confirmed and is town he should have townbussed me or at least just called me town for something else, not put me in danger of modkill. But lets get off modstuff now.

[TeChNoWC]

The real question is why is drmy confscum to you, why am i scum for not quicklynch yet you are town for trying, and if you are wobdering if i am scum going for towncred, then you arent as sold on drmy scum as you are making out and should be voting me.

ergo sum you are heavily contradocting yourself and are likely scum.

[TeChNoWC]

Since an L-1 wagon is technically what we want, It doesn't make a whole lot of sense why you'd jump off of it like it was on fire.

This is silly. No one wants L-1 wagons so quickly into D1 except scum. I jumped on the drmy wagon for content like any sane person should have at that point in time, not for quicklynching.

'drmy MIIIIIGHT be scum' is specifically what I said when I voted him. Doubt in there somewhere? Why on earth would I be comfortable with an L-1?????!!?!??!

Rather, the shit you are spouting is mouthfuls and mouthfuls of scumtells.

but if I

assume

you're scum, and that you have scum motives, those are the explanations for your behaviour.

You just false dilemma'd. So I'm not scum for those reasons at all, but if I AM scum then these would be the reasons behind what I did. Uh DERRRRRRRRRR.

Again, on the ASSUMPTION. But you have no reason to make that assumption and the reasons you are providing are hypotheticals to the extension of the assumption, not factors that lead to the assumption itself. Provide one good reason why you should assume I am scum.

You can't. Your opinion on me isn't genuine and has no substance. Claim scum already, kthanks

Like. That'll give us 4 conf Towns and we win!

This is ridiculous and needs to be ignored. Drmy if you can't figure out why, well... [insert picture of me blowing my brains out, I can't be bothered doing]

Also it's some intense fishing, like fucking whale fishing. And that's illegal bro.
How about follow my plan now you trust me, rather than this estupido one?

See, techno, this is what I was talking about when I said scum could try to lead town in a gamebreaking strategy that really only led it into a loss. If shotty had confused a few more townies into thinking we had any confirmed town players, they'd have the PRs right in their hooves. Nightkill, nightkill, then it's like, 3/2, right?

Paranoia without assessing the validity of a plan is just plain paranoia and stupid and scummy.
1. Drmy's plan is horribly bad and dumb. Don't do it.
2. My plan could work, and no one has bothered to weigh in on it. Could work.

The source doesn't matter. You examine the text, and you'll find out the true nature of the source.

[TeChNoWC]

Uhhh, L-1 wagons in RVS are great for discussion and reactions, which are highly beneficial to town. The only way it could go wrong would be if someone is stupid enough to hammer it prematurely,

and I don't think anyone in this game is like that

. Plus, if they're scum, it's twice as bad as it just puts them under severe scrutiny the next day, which is something scum wouldn't want.

And if a derp-PR hammers another PR and we lose both to a stupid stupid stupid notion that it's a great reaction test?

Who is more likely to derp hammer, town or scum?

And also about the bolded; do you know everyone in this game? Can you vouch for every player that they would not derphammer?

Whiskers almost derphammered. She didn't look at the VC and didn't even realise drmy was put on L-1, sooooo no. And basically she proved my entire point by what she did, and yet she is still postulating about my scumminess and scummy intent from jumping off the wagon when she is a prime candidate as to why it was necessary.

[TeChNoWC]

Also I just noticed how Gunny is attacking me for being against breaking the game when he hasn't even voiced an opinion on what he thinks.

Gunny did weigh in, post 64.

The only person I don't know is jamestfox, and I don't think he's stupid enough to derphammer.
But seriously, I've played tons of games, and I've

never

had a lynch on a RVS wagon.

If you don't know the guy then you don't know what he is like and what he might do.
Beside the point, Whiskers nearly did and she admitted to being unaware so I am right and you are wrong.
It's rare but it can still happen. Would you like this game to be your first?
Why are you not commenting on Whiskers reasoning about tech-scum because I jumped off the wagon?

Seriously has everyone taken crazy pills?

[TeChNoWC]

No, he didn't weigh in on saying whether or not he wanted to break the game at all.

I don't get why it can't be attempted though.

I see that as him saying he wanted to.