Open 443: Attack on the Ice Cream Convention! - Day 1

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I'd really prefer it if we didn't break the game. Mainly because I'd rather play it normally, and also because I know how stressful it can be as a mod.

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No it's not, breaking a game is more like trying to find a way to do the best with as little effort as possible. It's not a test of your abilities at all.

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Discuss your theories at the end of the game if you really have to, but please don't try to break it while we're playing.

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I would personally constitue breaking as "finding a strategy to make it almost an assured win." Now of course there are times when that's impossible to avoid, but that's fine since it's unavoidable. I really don't want anything like that to happen willingly, as to me it'd ruin the fun of the game.
Hypoclaiming is fine, as it's just a way to get the most out of night actions.

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For example, it's Day 3 and you've already lynched one scum, and the

un-CC'd seer outs a guilty.

Do you know something I don't?

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Setups are designed in a way that makes the chance for a scum win or town win as equal as possible. Breaking the setup tips it completely in the favor of the alignment doing it, and in my opinion that is highly unfair.

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Well I'm just curious why he only mentioned a Seer and not a Cop.
Methinks he could be part of teh Warewoofs.

Also I'm actually trying to advance the game and get away from the discussion about breaking the game.

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VOTE: Gunny
Gunny, are you scum this game?

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Gunny is totally not trying to advance the gamestate or anything.

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Because you know, there is a lot of content already in the game breaking discussion that 'Page 2 herpa derp' isn't really an excuse for not doing anything.

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I also could be mafia trying to convince you that you should be looking for teh Warewoofs.

Nice response :3

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Techno, put Gunny back at L-1.
Gunny shouldn't claim though.
Anyone who hammers him prematurely will get a severe yelling from me and is probably scum.

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Wait...
TECHNO, Y U NO BE TOWN?

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Naw bro, you aren't town at all this game.
Like seriously, I'm getting scumvibes from you right now.
Like in Mini 1332.

PEDIT: Whiskers, you must be new here.
If Gunny's at L-1, it will produce reactions from him. I deliberately left that out so that it would be somewhat more effective, but now that I have to say this it probably nullifies this :P

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Argh, I can't decide who to vote now between Techno, Gunny and Whiskers.

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Also lol at how he slipped refusing to participate in breaking the mechanics.

How is it a slip when I actually want to play the game?

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I also got scumvibes from you in Mini 1332 and you were SCUM.

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Techno and Whiskers aren't mod-confirmed town at all.
If I was modding, and scum wanted to break my setup I'd probably yell at them too.

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Gunny, seriously.
That's just fucking bullshit.

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I was actually going to say, "eh, let's not break it anyway," before the modpost, because I'd rather lynch. I'm not really happy with it being taken away anyway-- hypocopping is still a good bet (in pretty much any open-cop game), but let's not direct PRs. Okay?

Also clearly Whiskers was somewhat against breaking the game. Is he scum too then? But wait, I thought he was confirmed town? He can't be both can he?

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Yeah but look. If you tell everypony "DON'T HAMMER" then why will there be any reactions at all? Especially emotional, telling ones? He'll either hold his breath until the wagon is off, or he'll think about it for a second and plant towntells.

Well you could still get reactions from him. Though admittedly I should have thought that out a bit more :P

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Whiskers stop being town, I wanna call you scum but I can't because you're being towny right now :P

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Whiskers is actually probably town but my arrogance doesn't wanna admit that.

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He has a chance to be town because he also has a chance to be scum.
Like seriously Gunny, you're super obvious scum this game pls make it harder to read you so I actually feel challenged.

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OH NOES TECHNO, HOW COULD YOU TELL?

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but I dislike her one comment about possibly being mafia trying to throw people off the trail. It struck me as insincere.

You know there is such a thing as sarcasm, right?

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and actually om is town for townbussing me without needing to be asked

Or maybe I'm scum trying to mislead you to find teh Warewoofs?
Oh wait, wrong response.

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Oooohh, can I be scum if I put Whiskers at L-1?

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I'm assuming it's me attacking him but we're both town instead. Or something like that except I know he's town also.
tl;dr, I don't really know lol.

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I'd like to know that too.

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I claim Mason with Techno.

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Uhhh, L-1 wagons in RVS are great for discussion and reactions, which are highly beneficial to town. The only way it could go wrong would be if someone is stupid enough to hammer it prematurely, and I don't think anyone in this game is like that. Plus, if they're scum, it's twice as bad as it just puts them under severe scrutiny the next day, which is something scum wouldn't want.

Also I just noticed how Gunny is attacking me for being against breaking the game when he hasn't even voiced an opinion on what he thinks.

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The only person I don't know is jamestfox, and I don't think he's stupid enough to derphammer.
But seriously, I've played tons of games, and I've

never

had a lynch on a RVS wagon.

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No, he didn't weigh in on saying whether or not he wanted to break the game at all. All he did was just call you mod-confirmed town and me confirmed scum because we wanted to/didn't want to respectively.
Believe me, derphammers are way more likely to happen mid-game than in RVS. This game is not my first and it won't be my first until at least 10 games from now.
I wasn't actually paying attention to Whisker's reasoning, though I do agree you jumping off the wagon suddenly is suspicious, but your constant pushing that it's a towny thing to do makes me think it was honestly town-motivated.

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No, he didn't weigh in on saying whether or not he

wanted

to break the game at all.

Just saying what he said, means he can fake an opinion on it without actually giving one.