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In post 26, Om of the Nom wrote:Ich finde Mafia ist Spaß.
Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch.
Ich lerne Deutsch in der Schule.
Hat jemand von euch sprechen Deutsch?
This does not please the english reader.
@Gen: If I'm scum then why don't ya vote me? Callin yo' bluff.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 49, PeregrineV wrote:Not sure, since i've never played with you and didn't know you were supposed to be flailing. If you were, than yes.
This game does need to get moving though.
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In post 84, Om of the Nom wrote:He's stating something already known to get towncred.
The person who quickhammers you probably wouldn't have known.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 86, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 71, Om of the Nom wrote:<--- Is debating whether or not to claim because A) it's page 3, B) two of the votes on me are RVS, and C) nobody has claimed intent to hammer.
This clearly implies I'm at L-1. Anyone would have read it to know that I was at L-1. Plus, if they quickhammer and then claim they didn't know it was a hammer, then it's an obvious scumclaim.
I was just saying it for those of us that needed it spelled out for them.
I'm assuming anyone who quickhammers won't be smart enough to take your hints. And when they do say "Omg I didn't see that post!" we can point to the post that says you were at L-1.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 89, Om of the Nom wrote:Yeahno, I don't believe you. I can't see anyone not being able to get it from my post.
You obviously aren't thinking like a quickhammerer then.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 93, Om of the Nom wrote:People who quickhammer at times when it won't win them the game are stupid. I'm not stupid. I don't see how I can think like a quickhammerer.
If you're smarter than a quickhammerer, then I would think that it would be even easier to think like them...Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 119, TvK wrote:In post 112, Lastsurvivor wrote:TvK, I would expect you of all people to know that Om flails epicly when under pressure.
Yes I know, but last time he was town as well so I don't want him to do the same thing twice.
Everyone should submit how they interpreted this post.
Basically, you have two interpretations to choose from. Om's interpretation in #119, or TvK's interpretation in #121. But you can come up with your own if you want.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 144, kondi2424 wrote:Pretty sure TvK is scum, but I'm WILLING AND ABLE to vote Gen_Wolf
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AND AAAAAAAAAAAAAAABLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE
VOTE: GW
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In post 158, kondi2424 wrote:Can we vote vijay instead?
Shit you are as floppy as a fish out of water.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 164, PeregrineV wrote:We are not running people up to L-1, getting a claim, and doing it to someone else. That's twice today for no good reason.
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In post 144, kondi2424 wrote:Pretty sure TvK is scum, but I'm WILLING AND ABLE to vote Gen_Wolf
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VOTE: GW
In post 149, kondi2424 wrote:In post 146, PeregrineV wrote:In post 144, kondi2424 wrote:Pretty sure TvK is scum
Then you're saying the JK claim is fake? And you don't think he's town fakeclaiming it, and you moved your vote?
Need to explain more and better.
Vote: kondi2424
I was just saying that I think TvK is scummy and his claim doesn't stop that.
In post 158, kondi2424 wrote:Can we vote vijay instead?
Note that Kondi made these posts basically in a row (With one post that said "Possibly" in between them somewhere). Flip. Floppy.
@Kondi: Out of these three people you said were scum...which one(s) do you think are actually scum?Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 185, Gen_Wolf wrote:Vote: Last Survivor I don't need a case I am just using blind luck and gut. Don't worry I am allowed too. Om of the Nom said so. Idiot.
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I find it interesting that the whole "LS asked for interpretations" thing is coming up now. Ha. Ha. Ha.
Also, Gen's self voting gig makes me think he's town. Self voting unless your self hammering is stupid and I don't think scum would do it. Kondi's reads are good, but I'm still not feeling alright about him. Not reading the thread isn't really an excuse to do stupid things.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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Alright, just looked back and I see Kondi's at L-1. Anyway, gonna actually read through his catch up post since I just kinda skimmed it yday...
In post 227, kondi2424 wrote:- I want everyone who believes TvK scumslipped to explain why they jumped off of him.
Erm, shouldn't the reason be obvious? I.e, he claimed JK and is Un CCd.
- I feel like LS can't be scum with Om, GW, or PV due to RVS stuff.
What RVS stuff exactly? Or is this something you can't explain?Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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@Kondi:
In post 181, Lastsurvivor wrote:In post 144, kondi2424 wrote:Pretty sure TvK is scum, but I'm WILLING AND ABLE to vote Gen_Wolf
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VOTE: GW
In post 149, kondi2424 wrote:In post 146, PeregrineV wrote:In post 144, kondi2424 wrote:Pretty sure TvK is scum
Then you're saying the JK claim is fake? And you don't think he's town fakeclaiming it, and you moved your vote?
Need to explain more and better.
Vote: kondi2424
I was just saying that I think TvK is scummy and his claim doesn't stop that.
In post 158, kondi2424 wrote:Can we vote vijay instead?
Note that Kondi made these posts basically in a row (With one post that said "Possibly" in between them somewhere). Flip. Floppy.
@Kondi: Out of these three people you said were scum...which one(s) do you think are actually scum?
This is mostly why I find you bad. I can't say much for other's.
Also, if you could answer those questions I asked you that'd be kewl.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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@TvK's/Jal's case:
Meta part I can't really say much about. I believe at one point the game I played with TvK was the only game I was playing, and now my activity is split across three games. So meh. Maybe that's why he thinks I"m not as busy as I usually am. But I'm still scumhunting.
Anyway, the whole thing with asking for a TvK interpretation is weak. It was pretty obvious that I thought TvK scumslipped. And I was still the first person to vote him, so it's not like I let a wagon form and then quietly slipped on.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 263, kondi2424 wrote:A scumslip is a scumslip, though. If there was any belief in it, there would be no need for an unvote.
That's ridiculous. If no one comes out with a CC, then I'm not gonna lynch him, even if he did scumslip. It's that simple. Plus, TvK apparently meant something else, and I'm willing to believe him since...he's the Un CCd JK.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 268, kondi2424 wrote:If people ever actually BELIEVED that TvK scumslipped, it wouldn't MATTER what he claimed. A SCUMSLIP MEANS SOMEONE IS CONFIRMED SCUM. It's possible (and correct play on the Jailkeeper's part) that the Jailkeeper didn't plan on claiming because his CC FREAKING SCUMSLIPPED.
I would assume that the real JK would have claimed by now since the chances of TvK getting lynched today are low.
Vijay coming in here and echoing something already said is unimpressive.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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shotty is correct. Not sure what you're trying to say Gen.
Kondi is saying that if TvK slipped, then the real JK should not have claimed because TvK is irrefutably scum. I replied that the real JK would have claimed by now since, as it stands, TvK is not getting lynched today and the real JK would be letting a confscum (from their POV) slip.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 292, Jal wrote:It seems unusual you weren't taking the lead on the lynch. Why ask others first before taking the leap?
There were two interpretations of the post and I wanted to see if anyone was going to push the much less obvious one TvK proposed, essentially. I won't claim it was a reaction test, because it wasn't, but more so seeing if others saw what I saw. You can misconstrue that into being scummy all you want, but it's a extremely weak and irrelevant point in the grand scheme of things.
And I don't know how you could say I wasn't taking the lead. First to vote and all that.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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Jal's placed himself in a convenient spot in that he's placing suspicion on the top two bandwagons (myself and Kondi). I think he's bussing Kondi though, really. I propose Jal/Kondi as my "called it" team.
And, no, he has not. Has someone declared intent to hammer?Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 302, Jal wrote:Which could have been similarly accomplished by voting him and asking the same question to others. Why wait for others validation before voting?
I've already explained why I did what I did. Why the hell does it matter, Jal? You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Jal wrote:Where have I said Kondi is suspicious? I said earlier:
In post 257, Jal wrote:I'm going to look over Kondi later today after my class. He has always seemed flip floppy so I just took it as Kondi being Kondi.
You cut a part out of #257. Here, let me paste the whole post.
In post 257, Jal wrote:I'm going to look over Kondi later today after my class. He has always seemed flip floppy so I just took it as Kondi being Kondi. Of course, I've yet to know his alignment in any game I've been with him. I'll post more (useful) content later.
The sentence you cut out ("He's always flip floppy BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT SO DUN DUN DUNNN") is what made me think you were placing yourself in a position to cast suspicion on both wagons.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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Oh, Jal, you're also forgetting this post:
In post 292, Jal wrote:
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I disagree with LS that your reads are good. Most of your list has left the majority of the town open to be scum down the line. Shotgun, Lastsurvivor, Gen_Wolf, Jal, PV, TvK - While giving barely any definitive reason for finding them scummy, with the exception of TvK. By the looks of it, most of your reads also seem to be heavily based on RVS interactions, which I question the usefulness of. Your reads, at most, is a list of very vague suggestions that has no good reasoning behind them and has barely any substance for others to build on. No one can really criticize or agree with them. There's nothing to work with. You don't even provide an actual reason for why I am scum.
Why did you originally vote for Vijay and think he's scummy?
In post 289, kondi2424 wrote:I have a feeling Jal is scum if TvK is not based on reactions.
More vagueness. What reactions are those specifically?
Can you really tell me you aren't suspicious of Kondi? Sure, you neversayit, but shit you might as well have.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jal
Feel much better about this than Kondi.
REASONS
In post 91, Jal wrote:Seems to me you're latching onto the most simplest thing in an attempt to make someone elselook scummier than you.
(BOLD ADDED BY ME)
Not too bad on it's own. I think Jal's taking advantage of Om's flailing here, but obviously nothing to prove it.
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE.
Jal says this about #91:
In post 101, Jal wrote:I never said you were scum,If you believed that was what I was doing, it's interesting that you didn't deny it. Are you scum?nor did I say that in an attempt to portray you as such.
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Excuse me? How can Jal say that he never attempted to portray Om as scummy? Look at the bolded phrase in the first quote. "in an attempt to make someone else look scummier than you." What?
#128 - I find it interesting that Jal was on the TvK wagon. Me asking for other's people's input before I voted wasn't badthen. In fact, he totally sheeped me. But now that the dust has cleared on that wagon, it's suddenly scummy that I did so. Aight.
And my last post. Jal's claiming that he never found Kondi suspicious yet basically said so in two posts. Huh.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 316, Jal wrote:You're avoiding answering the question. I'll restate it again for you: Why wait for others validation before voting and not after? For wanting to see if others saw what you saw, why did you wait for only one person to post their interpretation?
I don't know. I just did.It's not important.Can you please explain why doing that is scummy? You're taking something so small and irrelevant and making something huge out of it.
Also, you're really accusing me of being anxious scum? You've totally got nothing.
In post 316, Jal wrote:This misconstrues my post. My original post was in direct response to drmyshotgun's post 241 and Om's post 250 wherein suspicion is cast on Kondi due to his behavior. My post is stating that I'll look over Kondi today (to see what everyone else is seeing), as up to that point Kondi's behavior is similar to what I've seen from him (and thus I see him as townie), but I don't know his alignment in any game I've been with him (I already said prior I in post 223 I don't get scum vibes on him this game), and thus why I'm going-over his posts once again (to see if he is actually acting differently, but so far I only see town).
I didn't misconstrue anything. "He's always flip floppy, but I don't really know his alignment [in any of my other games]." was the implied statement.
In post 316, Jal wrote:The only suspicion I was casting in that post was of you. In post 254 you called his reads good. Seriously? Most of his scum reads/teams had no reasoning behind them, which your criticized him for previously in post 183. What?
In post 258, Lastsurvivor wrote:Alright, just looked back and I see Kondi's at L-1. Anyway, gonna actually read through his catch up post since I just kinda skimmed it yday...
AKA, I didn't really read his list in depth when I read it.
In post 317, Jal wrote:Also, I always thought that your post post 123 was on the scum side - at the time I only thought TvK staying by his vote to be scummier. I evaluated GW, found the wagon wanting, thus I voted for you.
Ohalways? And you never said anything?
In post 317, Jal wrote:Instead of copying and pasting #91 and going "excuse me", how about you explain how exactly that sentence is an attempt to make Om look scummy? How is it even scummy?
Did you even read the post? You said you weren't trying to make his posts scummy. But in the first post, you said he was trying to make others look scummier than him. I, you know, said that in the post.
In post 317, Jal wrote:As for the rest of your post, it's funny how now after I voted and pushed you a tad, that now you vote for me. HMMMMM. I guess it would be easier to lynch the person most suspicious of you than to kill them during the night and gain further suspicion.
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In post 332, Jal wrote:You have yet to further comment on it or change your opinion of Kondi's reads. One can therefore assume, that after catching up you still feel his reads are "good."
If you read the post I quoted, I ask for clarification on a bunch of his reads. No, his reads weren't good. Jesus, Jal, you aren't this dense.
In post 332, Jal wrote:Sure I did: post 223. I already explained my reasoning for the timing.
Jal, you know what I meant. You never said anything about itbefore223?
In post 332, Jal wrote:... is an attempt to portray Om as scummy? I want to hear your reasoning here. Also, how is my saying this even scummy? There is a reason this exchange between Om and I was dropped. Taking old discussions and making something out of nothing initially there in an attempt to push a weak lynch is just reaching at this point.
Again, I've already explained. I'll extract the two contradicting things to make it easier.
In post 101, Jal wrote:I never said you were scum, nor did I say that in an attempt to portray you as such.
In post 91, Jal wrote:Seems to me you're latching onto the most simplest thing in an attempt tomake someone else look scummier than you.
...Do you see it?
In post 333, Jal wrote:Feel free to do the legwork yourself. While you're doing that, try taking some more time looking up things to use in your next attempt to discredit me. This stuff isn't flying.
Before I couldn't do that because we weren't in any completed games together BUT NOW I CAN. <3
N1239 In this game you are a totally different Jal. You don't pull shit like calling people anxious scum or accusing them of OMGUS. And you aren't this fucking dense.
Anyway, now that there's a counterexample, I'm going to guess the answer to my question is 'no'?Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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@TvK: I stayed on the sidelines during the Om thing because I know how badly he flails under pressure. There's no point in asking him anything because he just gets worse and worse. Also, I'm pretty sure the conversation was happening outside of my timezone (i.e, while I was at school) so meh.
And there's really no good reason as to why I asked for validation. Really, I wanted to see if others saw what I did, but I guess I thought that I didn't really care after Peregrine posted. No one has yet explained to me why it's important.
Anyway, TvK, what do you think of Jal? Look at our argument. How do you think he's holding up?Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 339, Om of the Nom wrote:Excuses. Sure I flail under pressure, but that's only because I try to get everything out there too fast. You know what I say is right when I flail.
Yup. Really, I said more during that argument than TvK is giving me credit for. I did side with you after we got that silly quick hammering thing out of the way.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 341, Gen_Wolf wrote:Sorry. I have totally neglected this game. Just read over it and will do a in depth response tonight. I would say Jal is strong town from what I read now though!
His responses are giving you town vibes?
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In post 344, Gen_Wolf wrote:I think Jal is town because he is playing like normal Jal to be honest. He is posting frequently and in depth and makes a decision and does what he usually does. Right now Jal is town in my eyes based on meta the same as LS and Kondi are leaning scum based on meta and previous experiences. More so LS than Kondi at the moment!
Oh, please. Your vote's based off of meta? Feel free to include your unexplained meta reasoning in your case, but try to find some actual substance from this game.
Anyway, you really think Jal's playing like he normally does? The Jal I know doesn't need things explained to him three times. The Jal I know doesn't call people anxious scum or accuse them of OMGUS because he's trying to lynch someone he's got nothing on. ETC.
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Just gonna echo this question.
In post 347, Lastsurvivor wrote:@Everyone not voting for Jal (excluding Jal obvs). AKA Gen Wolf, TvK, Peregrine, Vijay, Shotgun:
Tell me what you think of Jal.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 350, Jal wrote:Asking a question regarding Kondi's reads does not negate your early contradictory motivated statement, "Kondi's reads are good" nor does it give the impression of otherwise. You made a big slip here.
How did I slip? If I said "Oh, I didn't actually read Kondi's reads" and then start asking questions about them, it implies two things.
1) My statement "Kondi's reads are good" isn't credible because I DIDN'T ACTUALLY READ THE READS.
2) That I have problems with the post.
re the questions: Those were my only two problems with the post. So I guess if they aren't about his reads, then sure, Kondi's reads were fine. But the post itself wasn't...if that makes sense.
re the "explain (for the fourth fucking time) why that contradiction was scummy". I'll walk you through it...like you're five.
Spoiler: explanation
...Are you happy?
Jal wrote:Also - why would I need to further portray Om as scummy when Gen was already there to hammer him and most people thought he was scummy anyway?
Because you had nothing else to say and you needed to say something? Who knows? I'm not you.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 351, Jal wrote:. . . knowing that at the time of posting this I couldn't answer you? So basically, you just tried to discredit me knowing I wouldn't have the ability to reinforce myself or back myself up. I honestly can't see anyone but scum trying to do this. Why would a townie need to do this in an attempt to push weakly push a lynch?
Your first quoted statement implies you couldn't do the the legwork until we had a completed game together. Being in a game together isn't necessary to look up someone's meta. It is also implying you were aware I had no completed games prior to the one you listed, as you had to wait until the one we were in was completed to give "examples."
You're erm...grasping for straws here.
You could have easily said "No I don't really accuse people of OMGUS, anxious scum etc" without any completed games. And, yes, I could have done the legwork, but I
a) wanted to see how you would respond to the question (your lack of a definitive yes/no is what I expected) and
b) Just wanted to point people to a completed game. If the game wasn't completed, I would have said that you didn't act like this in our games together.
Also, I didn't know if you had any other games completed, but I was just talking about games we were in together. I wasn't going to go prowling through your completed games and read them.
re OMGUS: Let me quote the statment.
In post 317, Jal wrote:As for the rest of your post, it's funny how now after I voted and pushed you a tad, that now you vote for me. HMMMMM. I guess it would be easier to lynch the person most suspicious of you than to kill them during the night and gain further suspicion.
I think everyone would agree with me that you just described OMGUS perfectly. You vote me, and then I vote you. Re it being about an ongoing game: Obviously you can't point out where, but I have no idea what you're talking about. You'll have to elaborate once the game ends I guess.
Jal wrote:So far the only thing you have on me in this regard is that I'm acting "totally different" by calling you out as anxious scum in this game and somehow I am more dense here. This is the meta you have? Nothing on my actual playstyle, which Gen mentions in his post is similar as it is in our previous game together?
You're tunneling too. You didn't do that in N1239. But yeah, basically. I care more about the other stuff in my case more than the meta.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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Also VERY LATE POST EDIT
I wrote:I believe #2 is the definition we want here. You did not depict or describe Om as scum in #101, according to you.
This should read "You did not depict or describe Om as scum in #91"Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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In post 358, Jal wrote:No.
Sorry that wasn't a yes or no question.
re post 350: That doesn't really help you out much. Can you explain how that disproves what I just said? All I see is you describing what happened.
jal wrote:1. You set me up with a question in which I couldn't definitively back up yet due to no completed games at the time of you posting this.
No. You could have easily said "I do that often/I don't do that often." I would have not believed you/believed you because...quite frankly, I already knew the answer.
Jal wrote:2. Apparently, I passed/failed a sort of reaction test because I didn't give a yes or no answer to a non yes or no question. Just to save us a page of bullshit - "how often do you accuse.. yada yada" is not a yes or no question. It's very odd that you're now giving some excuse on why you didn't do the legwork when originally asking the question. At the time you couldn't really do any legwork because there were no completed games of mine at the time of the question. Why do you feel the need now to make up an excuse now for not originally doing it that doesn't even make sense?
Oh, you knew what I meant. Your lack of an affirmative response/negative response. You didn't answer the question.
Jal, I've been in like three games with you. Why are you saying I can't do the legwork? I've probably seen a majority of your posts already. <_<
Jal wrote:Also, how does this question point people to a completed game? There were no completed games of mine available at the time of your question. You really can't keep your story or posts straight anymore, can you?
What are you talking about here? I was referring to this post. I pointed people to a completed game in that post. Not sure what you mean by not being able to keep my story straight.Game(s) where I have in fact been the last survivor, or been among the last survivors: 1-
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