Open 453 - SCIENCE! ( Game Over! )

[Robocopter87]

Fastest confirmation time ever?

I think perhaps.

VOTE: Venmar

[Robocopter87]

Just do the best you can to get it to the top of the page.

Its more of a visibility thing.

I see you didn't count my vote on you.

Probably because you are already dead.

So.

[Robocopter87]

Close, but no cigar.

UNVOTE: Equinox
VOTE: Robocopter87

Aw, don't be like that

[Robocopter87]

[Robocopter87]

Mine are serious! Mafia is serious business.

Come on Equinox, I'm clearly town.

Get your head in the game.

You too Tierce what the heck are you doing i dont even

Yeah I know what you are thinking, "What robo, you just gonna sit there and do nothing?"

Well I just might.

[Robocopter87]

Hey you are the one who is down for a policy lynch.

[Robocopter87]

Oh is there more?

[Robocopter87]

No no no, hold on a moment.

What more is there?

Please enlighten me.

[Robocopter87]

So you are saying I'm scum because I have no reaction to anything?

I'm not one to care if I get voted for, I do care if the person lacks a decent reason why.

You wanted to lynch me because I was being useless. Thats a pretty decent reason imo, I don't see any reason to fret over that.

To be fair, you're just sitting there wondering why I'm wondering about your vote on me.

[Robocopter87]

Robocopter--so you see two people voting you, claim that one of them at least has a decent reason to be voting you, and don't adjust your behavior to be useful to town?

The votes aren't going to go away because "

[you're]

not one to care". You're still being useless, while Equinox is voting a scumspect--she's not "just sitting there", as you're trying to paint her.


I would also lynch CES.

You guys are voting me because I am anti-town. Not because I am scum.

I think that says a lot about you and less about me. Don't you think?

[Robocopter87]

It says you are more willing to policy lynch than to scumhunt for a proper lynch.

Am I really worth the mislynch? Or do you honestly believe that I'll flip scum?

I don't know who scum is, not yet.

[Robocopter87]

One cryptic player is probably enough.

Robocopter went from calling Equinox's vote on him (and mine, as I gather?) a 'policy lynch' to saying she has decent reasons to be voting him. When called out on the fact that he is still doing nothing, he went back to calling it a 'policy lynch'.

So what is it, Robo? You are showing no evidence of trying to contribute; that could be lazy town, but you are trying to throw mud at the people voting you by saying that they are not interested in lynching scum, when by your own admittance your play does not help town.

Who do you think you should get away with doing nothing?

It is a policy lynch.

I did not react because it was a decent enough reason to vote.

Doesn't make the lynch any less bad.

Don't bother asking for a claim.

I'm amazed at your ignorance, you know that I have done nothing scummy, yet you continue to feel I am a worthy vote?

Perhaps you should explain your EXACT reasons to why you vote me. Because I keep getting "deeper meaning" phrases but nobody has told me exactly what the deal is.

So go on Tierce, why should we lynch Robocopter87?

[Robocopter87]

Exactly.

[Robocopter87]

Um what?

You assume to much.

Seeing as I said this,

So go on Tierce, why should we lynch Robocopter87?

And her next post was this,

UNVOTE: Robocopter87
VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

So yeah. don't know what the heck you are talking about.

[Robocopter87]

You haven't provided a link that clearly shows that Tierce unvoted because there was no reason to lynch Robo. It is a POSSIBILITY, yes, but you haven't shown it to be the definitive reason (nor has Tierce commented on why she's unvoting you).

You are battling with technicalities.

[Robocopter87]

scummy ass

Oh yeah?

Give me three good reasons why I am scummy.

I'm not asking for all out case.

I'm asking for three reasons.

Judging by the amount of scumminess I apparently have I don't think that you should have any problem doing three reasons.

[Robocopter87]

1. If it more anti town than scum them then it is a policy lynch to lynch me based off this reasoning.
2. See point one. Also you say that it is not a policy lynch but you have failed to give any specific reasoning for lynch me besides being useless.
3. No such reasoning exists? What about the fact that Tierce posted twice without acknowledging me?

[Robocopter87]

EDIT: "1. If it

is

more..."

[Robocopter87]

Robocopter: please explain why you think it's acceptable for a town player to not vote, to just complain when others are voting him, to have no visible reads at all, not even about the wagon on you. This is supposedly what you are doing. I don't treat these players as policy lynches, I treat them as

scum

, because

this is scum behavior

. Behaving like this as town is pretty unnacceptable on my book. It's more likely to come from scum than town, there is no town motivation for it (if your motivation is getting reactions, you're not going to get anything useful, because

town

has every right to be riled up that you're effectively not helping your faction), so I vote it.

But Rainbowdash calls you town, and I can see why. I wish you'd play to your wincon already if you are town, but I'm not going to lynch you. Not because I have any measure of acceptance for what you're doing (I very clearly don't), but because

I

am playing to win this. I'd love a

Justice

lynch, but

Justice

doesn't win me games. (

Will

does, though. (>")>)
PEdit: Hi. I didn't acknowledge you because I was dealing with urgent stuff. Learn to read, kthx.

I see what you mean, however I don't think that being "riled up" was the only reaction that could occur. And it certainly wasn't.

I'm quite surprised that some of these players, most of which are very well experienced, were willing to lynch me for being useless. When they were full capable of finding scum they chose instead to attack me for being lazy.

Though they claimed that it wasn't about me being useless, but they didn't actually get around to fully explaining that point of view. Or at least not adequately enough in my opinion.

In other news, a lot of the problem stemmed from the fact that I had not voted. And that my single vote was a joke on the mod. I'm not entirely sure why it was such an important thing for me to be voting. I can understand pumping me for reads, but voting?

Obviously you must be thinking, "So what are those reads?" And my answer is soon to come. Probably my next post. Probably.

[Robocopter87]

Wait Riss is an alt?

My mind is blown?

I've pretty much been cutting slack on that slot due to inexperience.

How experienced of an alt are we talking here?

[Robocopter87]

Generally newbies play pretty weak in games that aren't designed for newbies. And due to that inexperience, that player is usually cut some slack.

However when you learn that a player that DOES know what they are doing and is pretending not to then you got a serious issue on your hands. Because that player has been coasting.

I don't really care who you are, I'm just curious as to your experience. June isn't that long ago, so my slack cutting is quite well placed imo.

[Robocopter87]

Intent to hammer.

[Robocopter87]

VM is nullish for me. Leaning scummy. But not enough to place my feet in that ground.

[Robocopter87]

I could've sworn I just said that VM was null.

[Robocopter87]

What, didn't you pay attention the first time you read it?

Is there really any gain from rereading it?

[Robocopter87]

Good luck.

[Robocopter87]

I'm not hammering Tierce, btw.

[Robocopter87]

I'm not hammering Tierce, btw.

Scratch that, now shes talking about Mason pairs and she shouldn't be.

[Robocopter87]

and I guess I can trust that you've found

something

in Robo's ISO to call him town and hard-defend him this much

Pfft my towniness is obvious.

And how much of this is based on me sheeping Equi and Tierce onto you?

(also, null-scummy can still let you make a scumteam, yknow.)

None if it is based on that. Just slight quirks and honestly some PoE. Like I said, not enough to put me in that ground.

(Why? You partners with Riss?)

Where'd you get the idea she wanted to out the mason pairs?

I know you directed this at CES, but I gotta say that attempting to find possible Mason pairs in order to clear town is the same thing as attempting to find mason pairs in order to choose a nightkill.

[Robocopter87]

and I guess I can trust that you've found

something

in Robo's ISO to call him town and hard-defend him this much

Pfft my towniness is obvious.

(Not.)

NO U

Like?

(No, but the point is that you're being disingenuous (or however that's spelled) by saying I'm nullscum and then quickly backing up to saying I'm just null when Tierce asks you about that possible scumteam.)

Like this,

It says you are more willing to policy lynch than to scumhunt for a proper lynch.

I don't remember "policy lynch" being among my list of reasons for wanting you dead...

You said this but it took a LOT of pressuring and questioning to get you to explain why it wasn't a policy lynch. And even now I still don't feel that it was adequately dealt with.

However, I do still see where this could be from a town mindset, but I think of it more as scummy. And due to my lack of scumreads but abundance of townreads, it takes that little bit to throw you on the scum side of things.

(Except no because I said that you were null with a hint of scum BEFORE Tierce said anything. I don't know how many times I must explain that you are a null read. But slightly scummy. But that scumminess doesn't mean you are scum with Riss. But you know all about "WELL IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY STATED SO YOU CAN'T ASSUME THAT EVEN THOUGH ITS OBVIOUS ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION." So I shouldn't have to tell you.)

Okay, I guess that makes some sense. Not that I expressly agree with it, but it makes sense.

What does this have to do with answering how people got the idea that she's trying to out the mason pair?

If you are searching for mason pairs, regardless of your intent, you still are forced to reveal the mason pairs. A.K.A, outting the pairs.

You can't masonhunt and not expect to out masons.

PEDIT: I too find myself to be a townread. You can add me on the list of reliable sources.

[Robocopter87]

You see RBD? Me not voting worked out quite well for me.

Now I have the power to decide a Day One lynch and on top of that I'm being generally called town (Thanks to you)

I could just coast on this through the whole game. But I'll be nice and help out a little.

Now, on the subject of the Equi & Tierce debate. I'm going to just see what everyone else has to say about it. Honestly what Tierce and Equi say are irrelevant due to the fact that they both do not wish to die. They are obviously going to fight tooth and nail to get the other killed. One of them will have to die, and honestly I don't really see any downfall to either.

Tempted to just flip a coin and laugh but I'll see what others have to say first.

Connections and whatnot.

[Robocopter87]

Yes, Equi, continue to persuade me even though I just said both of your opinions are irrelevant to me.

I wanna know what CES and RBD think.

[Robocopter87]

But both of their votes ARE on Tierce...

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Tierce

[Robocopter87]

Like I need a coach.

I regret lynching Tierce already.

I feel as if I gained nothing.

[Robocopter87]

Robo, don't hammer.

You are one lucky duck.

[Robocopter87]

err, Dinosaur thing

[Robocopter87]

Ok, I've got nothing else to say, bring on the hammer.

In a normal situation I would come into thread and read this and instantly hammer.

But I'm not.

Unless two people ask me to.

Thats like a double dog dare, and I ain't no wuss

[Robocopter87]

A)

VOTE: DoomYoshi

Hammers all yours.

B)

HE SAID TO BRING ON THE HAMMER. THAT DINOSAUR THING IS VERY DANGEROUS. I DO WHAT HE SAYS.

(Thats actually why I'm okay with the hammer. I always vote/hammer people who play the "Lynch me" card. He wants to play that game, lets play. Hammer dat fool)

[Robocopter87]

I laugh at this three man LyLo.

[Robocopter87]

So here is the point where I ask myself, "Who is scum?"

The answer is Equinox.

VOTE: Equinox

[Robocopter87]

Reasons:

1. Tierce voted Equinox in her first post.
2. CES never made a single accusation towards RBD. He did however vote Equinox.

I feel very strongly that I just won us the game.

[Robocopter87]

I don't believe you.

DONT LIE TO ME

[Robocopter87]

Because scum often do that to screw with people's minds.

Anywho, I was going to pick you anyway. It was better for me to just up and vote than sit around and mumble

[Robocopter87]

Well played, RBD.

Well played.

[Robocopter87]

Ugh now I feel bad about this game.

[Robocopter87]

Shoutout to venmar though, you did epically. Usually I got a few things I say to first timers. But heck man, you did it beautifully.

[Robocopter87]

Nice manipulation, RBD. You really had me.

Sorry town & Equi, I did what I thought was best.

I don't think i've ever properly lynched in a LyLo situation before.