Open 451.2: Vengeful Mafia

[Whiskers]

Do it.

(and that one ofc)
I don't remember my role in this game, let me go check my PM.

[Whiskers]

I thought you wanted to vote yourselv?

[Whiskers]

I want to vote Sala.

VOTE: Kondi

I'm a better gambiter. Quit being jealous.

VOTE: Salamence
He's a better alt. Quit outting him.

[Whiskers]

Look, he's going under the name Klick. To call him kondi is rude and annoying.

[Whiskers]

Game is slow. Post ponies and trot home from school.

http://pinkamenaparty.bandcamp.com
NSFW for hardcore & noise.

[Whiskers]

That's L-1, I believe.

[Whiskers]

Is it somehow my personal burden to create discussion? I'm not a unicorn, Om.

[Whiskers]

It is imperative that Om posts.

[Whiskers]

A lynched Klick that shoots voided wins this for town.

Not really sure about whiskers.

No it doesn't.

Actually, ok. I didn't pick up on this before.
But what is this even supposed to

mean??

If Klick even gets a shot, he can not win the game by shooting scum. Remember last game where we lynched you and you shot the Godfather, and town didn't win?
What do you mean by this quote, Salamence?

[Whiskers]

VM, Om: is ^this scumflailing, or townflailing?

[Whiskers]

Why is my opinion not asked? I'm assuming because I already showed a scumread on Sala?

Because Om was't posting and VM wasn't voting.

[Whiskers]

Om. You know me. Everything I do is a bluff. I only

look

like I know who to shoot.

And let me say this: I'd shoot Guille. I might be having a little cross contamination thing.

[Whiskers]

My point exactly.
So: What's to keep you from replacing out of this game?

[Whiskers]

Salamence is:
1: the Godfather with VM as goon.
2: the Godfather with Om as goon.
3: the goon with Whiskers as GF.
4: the goon with Klick as GF.
5: town (some other combination).

What I mean in saying this is: Salamence is not the godfather with Klick or Whiskers, and Salamence is not the goon with Om or VM.

unvote

On to the next reaction test.

[Whiskers]

Whiskers is odd, but town.
Klick is quiet, but scum.
I am inaccurate, but town.
Voided is mean, but town.
Om is town because I believe in gamblers follicy.

So one out of four is scum. Are you betting on Klick being the GF?

(also, it's

fallacy

.)

phallus-y

[Whiskers]

Don't go there, Whisky.

Also, explain your actions already from #78

Those last few posts on the last page are a huge CF.
What do I need to explain? VM and Om not quickhammering Salamence, clears a few scumteams.
So from there, let's keep going.

...I think there must be something else to explain, because I thought I already explained that?

[Whiskers]

Had we been mentioning that?
...beforehoof?

Salamence is:
1: the Godfather with VM as goon.
2: the Godfather with Om as goon.
3: the goon with Whiskers as GF.
4: the goon with Klick as GF.
5: town (some other combination).

Anyway, consider this: My list up there still allows Salamence to be scum with each player, only in one role or another. That way, if we do, for instance lynch (or shoot) OmGoon, we can cross all Non-OmGoon possibilities off the list-- in that case, the only on remaining is OmGoon+SalaGF.
Or, if KlickGoon, we know that none of those are applicable.

And, if we do end up lynching her today, and she flips scum, we can use it to (help) deduce the other partner from the flip.
The problem with lynching her is, what if she flips town? Since we have this information, I think we'd be better off random lynching, even, and trying to determine Salamence's alignment/role after, than lynching Salamence first.

[Whiskers]

Sorry, tried to keep things hypothetical-- why I included OmGoon and KlickGoon, as they can't both possibly coexist in this game.

[Whiskers]

Of course, read his ISO. He's not a half-bad (and therefore a more-than-half-good).

[Whiskers]

Salamence, unvote.
Just a second.

[Whiskers]

1: OmGF with SalGoon.
2: OmGF with WhiskersGoon.
3: OmGoon with KlickGF
4: OmGoon with VMGF.
5: OmTown



...It's interesting to me to see that Klick is always on the wagons. Like, he's always gotta get his vote in there.

[Whiskers]

Salamence is:
1: the Godfather with VM as goon.

2: the Godfather with Om as goon.

3: the goon with Whiskers as GF.
4: the goon with Klick as GF.
5: town (some other combination).

Om is:

1: GF with Sal as Goon.

2: GF with Whiskers as Goon.
3: Goon with Klick as GF
4: Goon with VM as GF.
5: Town

Actually going to suggest

actually lynching

Klick. So far, he has the highest likelihood of being GF. If he's not, he can shoot whomever.

[Whiskers]

Maybe, but this was me, suggesting a wagon, and you and VM hopping onto it. If nothing else, I'd say Om is not the Godfather with either one of you bussing, because Om totally had three people up for lynching him. If he's the GF, it's got to be with me (I'm still not voting him) or Sal (attacking his attackers).

[Whiskers]

Technically, VM was the one who placed the first vote.
You asked if we would lynch om, which could just be a reaction test-- but, whatever, if you want to take credit for it.
Then I said, "yes, sure" and didn't vote.
Voided voted. You voted. I made a list.

[Whiskers]

Look. What it comes down to is, I don't believe Om is the Godfather-- not with Voided, not with you. Since, if Om were the godfather with Salamence, he would have hammered her earlier for towncred, I have to believe that Om isn't the Godfather at all.

You

have to believe that Om couldn't be the Godfather, except with me.

Om can only be the Godfather if I am the Goon.

[Whiskers]

Does anyone want to lynch OmNom?

Sorry, tried to keep things hypothetical-- why I included OmGoon and KlickGoon, as they can't both possibly coexist in this game.

Of course, read his ISO. He's not a half-bad (and therefore a more-than-half-good).

Well, I believe in Whisky-town, so I guess I can go with Sala or Om.

Vote: Om

VOTE: Om

Klick, your last post is wrong.

[Whiskers]

I'm not saying they HAVE to. I'm saying that, it would make a lot of sense.
Even if you want to just narrow it to, "Sal is not the GF with Whiskers or Klick as Goon (because they voted her)" and "Om is not the GF with Klick or VM as Goon (because they voted him)", that's still four possible couplings we can discount.

___

Thought you were at L-1. Be glad I scrolled up before hammering. Any thoughts?

[Whiskers]

vote: Klick

I actually think you'll make a good shot.

[Whiskers]

People you should not shoot: Om.

[Whiskers]

Actually, I take it back. Om is still scummy, he just looks really good in comparison to Salamence.

What does lurky Om signify?

[Whiskers]

In conclusion: I'd still shoot Salamence over Om. I'd still shoot VoidedMafia over Whiskers. I'd shoot Om over VoidedMafia.

just imo.

[Whiskers]

But you don't suspect a Sala/Om team, do you?

Not really. But you should. It's unlikely if my lists hold any water

(neither one can be GF with the other as a goon)

, but you don't believe they do.

[Whiskers]

Of course, if they're both scum, it doesn't really matter which one you shoot: if you vengekill the godfather, the game doesn't end.

[Whiskers]

Just so everybody is clear, it was Lorancae who made the bit about "where to go fuck yourself." I hadn't said anything of the sort to him.

[Whiskers]

If it's decided, may I ask who you're shooting?

Why do you care?

Because I want to know whether we have a chance at winning or if we lost.

Who cares?

I do, I'd like to fucking win the game, thanks. Beyond that, I don't think any of us cares, it doesn't really have a lasting personal effect.
Sorry that you've flipped and therefore can't respond.
Please shoot someone.

[Whiskers]

Salamence is:

1: the Godfather with VM as goon.

Salamence flipped Goon.

2: the Godfather with Om as goon.

Salamence flipped Goon.

3: the goon with Whiskers as GF.

4: the goon with Klick as GF.

Klick is dead, and flipped town.

5: town (some other combination).

Salamence flipped Goon.

Good. by POE, I am the GF with Salamence, and that wraps everything up nicely.

Or-- wait...

[Whiskers]

I have?
Why wasn't I notified of this?
I've been busy, I'll post when I am less busy-- no fear, that'll be soon.

[Whiskers]

Okay!
First, Om, your play

here

looks identical, to me, to last game. You're making sense and you're quick in doing it.

I'm not sure how you "could be easily mislynched." I don't think I'm really in a position to point hooves right now-- those two lists

are

all I've done, and according to them, I am the last scum. The only thing to do now (for me) is to ignore them and look through the game with more traditional scumhunting methods in mind. As I said, I will do this soon.

Voided: How is Om "scum by POE"?
Om: Why do you think scum "knew you could be easily mislynched in LYLO"?

[preedit]

I'v been ninja'd by Om, Om, and VM. lemme post

[Whiskers]

Okay, reading VM's new post about how I did all this great stuff, I went back to read my ISO. I don't have the best memory, but VM,

what are you on about??

Maybe it's not the best tactic to go, "Oh yeah?

Prove

I'm town."
Actually, scratch that. This is proving me your townread. Why am I a townread? What things have I done that pushes the game forward? In my own mind, I:
#Made the lists, and
#Explained and defended the lists.

ninja'd again

[Whiskers]

Did you seriously replace all instances of "Klick" with "kondi2424" in my quotes?

[preedit]
How... what's the difference? I explained the theory behind them--

why they work,

you need, uh, different reasons?
I didn't explain the reads because I wasn't using reads. I was Eliminating likely pairs.

[Whiskers]

I didn't say that I WON'T, I said that I DIDN'T.

If I were determined to not bother reading people

at this stage,

I would have selfvoted already.

[Whiskers]

Is there something you're not understanding? I'll put it in new terms for you:

Before:
#I was using POE, not reads.
#I was under the impression POE would let us win the game pretty easily, if we caught one scum Day 1.

Now:
#I will go and read the game, look as players' ISOlated posts, and make cases, etc. I've got my bowl of cereal, I've already got my head back into mafia, I might as well just do it now.
#I no longer am 100% on my lists, considering that, if my lists

were

correct, I would have to believe that I was the last scum player.

Clearer?

[Whiskers]

That^ was @Om.

[Whiskers]

Okay, I can't lie. I have a lot of confirmation bias right now.
But I ISO VM and Om together and already, immediately, I get,

So, Klick and Sala are being derps this time, huh?

Sala's obvbussing, though.

I was seeing Sala/Whiskers.

Gonna have to sell me on the Whisky part.

Learned: Sala is scum, Whisky is town

Aah, and I'm glossing over most of the game. Here's why: Voided doesn't post too often, but posts townish things when he does. Om posts more often, but posts a lot of filler.

This evidence is contrary to my reads; I believe Om is town.
At the end of the first Day he made a Huge deal about "Shoot Sala, not me." He knows that it doesn't matter

which

mafia-member is shot; the game does not end.
If someone wants to refute this point, I can see one possible way to do it.

The other large reason is recent: he's attacking me. I don't see any reason for him to do as scum. I

think

he thinks it's that harder of the two paths he could take as scum. I think he thinks he could get Voided lynched more easily than me lynched. The rebuttal to this point is, "But he just played you last game. He has to switch it up, or you'll catch on to him."

Sorry, Om, I'm pretty much stopping here. I'm not into it tonight.

[Whiskers]

That's about it, is that I don't have the energy or care right now to play the game. I'll do it later.
And, I want to come to an agreement. I want to see the other sides and get all the stories straight, because that's how I play mafia. I didn't even mean to lynch you last game, it was a gambit and I messed it up. I considered trying it again tonight. I decided against it.

[preedit]
That's the other thing. It's great that you have a townread on me, but it seems unjustified, and especially if you don't go and read Om's ISO to try to pick up a townread and compare them, I don't see how you can have such a confident read that he is scum.

It's like having two playing cards, and trying to determine which one has the higher value (1-10). Even if you look at the first one, and it's a six, you can't conclusively deduce that it is the higher card. You can guess, but until you look at the other card and compare them, you

can't

know which is more.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Voided

Thought we were gonna lose this one.

[Whiskers]

Some of the lurking is tactical lurking, some of it is that I'm losing interest again. I have the time and willpower to stay up to date in games, mostly, but I don't care enough to go back and reread and make big cases. It's time for another sitebreak for me, I think, until it comes time to mod.

[Whiskers]

P_EDIT: GOD FUCKING DAMMIt, YOU TWO, STOP FUCKING DOING THIS!

CAN I PLEASE GET THROUGH POSTING AT LEAST ONCE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD?!

Lol. I've got to say, it was a pleasure quicklynching you from the same Lylo.
Maybe next time, you'll be scum... I guess we'd still quickhammer you though...?

[Whiskers]

Whisky is definitely scum, and if he isn't he's probably good enough to make the right shot.
Can we just lynch Whisky?

This should have happened goddamnit people should listen to me more

It scared the hell out of me, because I couldn't fucking argue with that-- I agreed.

[Whiskers]

And learn in this game that

Whiskers doesn't lie!

I didn't make up some post about how the flip made me town, or how I couldn't be scum with Salamence. I

literally

gave you the scumteam.

[Whiskers]

The other thing that scared the heck out of me was not knowing who Klick was going to shoot-- I only knew it wouldn't be VM. Withholding that info is, IMO, a really good thing to do as town, Klick. I kept thinking about it and how it was a really good idea.

[Whiskers]

Ew, 5p Vengefuls? I'll pass.

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