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Deadpool; Re: Post 1094 about the only line in Oversouls Post 455 I felt was really really genuine in that post was the "Do you want me to show you our hydra logs because I will do if it will stop you from acting all high and mighty like this", I felt a lot of the other stuff was very over-the-top and him directing aggression and frustration with me is something I still cannot fathom given that I hadn't spoken to him. I don't see how Post 750 is a town-tell at all, asking 'Am I scum for X" is relatively null. I also don't understand what I'm missing that you and apparently Thor are seeing with the logic for your town-read on Post 902, if they still thought Piggy was scum there'd be no need to question Thor or suspect Thor there at all because the game would be over. There was no real sense of eagerness to find out if it was over that there was from a lot of other people, specifically Tammy and you guys. When someone is lynched with one-lynch-ends-game for scum losing town are always very much praying that it is over whereas scum can't fake that well and instead pre-plan the next days lynch and Souls comment to Thor there reads as that.
In post 1097, Soul2277 wrote:A. Buddying in reference to the votes being next to each other.
B. I've made my suspicions pretty clear. I could ask OS to write a wall case but honestly I just don't want to.
I still don't understand A) I don't know if it's because I'm still somewhat asleep but what does buddying have to do with anything they've done or their votes being next to each other? Explain it clearly for me please. I rather you do B) if they're the only pair you think are possible you would have confidence, confidence means you would know there's a lot of posts and linkages that would create a strong case, show me them yourself if you don't want Oversoul to do it. I have no issue with what C) was anymore since done the reading into that pair and don't think it's plausible either.
In post 1098, Soul2277 wrote:Although curious on what are all the results of the meta searches? That and I'm still waiting to hear reg's reply on the rest of my meta since I don't remember it).
I've got the afternoon and night fully unbooked tonight so I'll be finishing up all of the meta and PoE reading then.-
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In post 1107, Cerulean wrote:Sure. My only reservation with absta's play at this point is how he goes from this to this. This shift in confidence in his Voided scumread is a little jarring.
I think it's just the case of his initial comment being based of what he remembered of Voideds play and the second one being based on him actually going through Voideds ISO. Think that change of opinion with more information added (ISO comments that people often forget) is actually a very natural change.
The broken link that was 993 was meant to say Post 903. But yeah, seems like you guys are roughly on the same page as me at the moment.-
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Jesses frustration towards Soul for 'making him out reads/thoughts before he got his information' in Post 167 reads as very genuine and points against them being partners and his 'you forced me to out something that wasn't even related to you' in Post 173 also comes across as genuine and points away from them being scum together. Their discussion about Jesses read on Sixty in Post 208 and Post 210 is another thing that points against them being partners. Jesse says 'Their rage seems fake' in Post 519 and vote on Soul in Post 639 but moved to vote Thor not long after. His recent reads post though in Post 1038 where he says that if Soul/Deadpool/Cerulean are scum then they're going to win means he now apparently has a strong town read on Soul and the change from scum-read on him towards strong-town read on him has no backing whatsoever. It's as if he forgot that he was bussing and then turned around town-reading them so he has an excuse not to have to push them. Soul on the other hand have a had a town read on Jesse for most of the game and his comment in Post 870 of "does Jesse work with anyone other than Piggy as that's how it sounds" comes across as inside information. That being now that we've gone through Jesse and everyone and he actually only works with them as scum I can understand how they reached this conclusion but I don't think they'd have done the reading into it to rule out all other partnerships with him at that point as town, reads as pre-planning reasoning not to have to vote him later down the line. So yeah, I'm really undecided on whether they work or not so want your guys opinions on this massively. Faraday barely helped with his, fking troll don't even know why I hydra with him.
What all the partnership-work has shown me though is that Thor is a massively suboptimal lynch today - only person he works with as scum is N meaning voting N is more likely to hit scum than voting Thor plus the fact that I'm still finding his play to be fairly townish and I remember Faraday agreeing with me on him about that last night when we spoke. It also means that Jesse is likely a suboptimal lynch as he doesn't work with Thor or N and can really only work with Soul if he works with anyone so odds are I think my vote is going to be on one of Soul or N today. Want to look into Jesses games properly though and see how he interacts with partners in detail and then want to touch on Ns town meta to see how close this is and lastly finish up metaing Soul. Then probably need to do one last re-read through them. And wow, I just realized I have hours worth of work to do. Will probably do a massive chunk of the reading tonight and finish it up tomorrow.-
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In post 1111, Soul2277 wrote:A. Define buddying. Mine is when two people just obviously connect with each other in thread in a nice/helpful way. The votes being next together is buddying.
What the fuck? Buddying is when someone attempts to suck up towards someone else to gain favour with them. "Votes being next together" means voting each other? That's not 'next-together' at all. And I don't think Thor and Jesse have interacted in a 'nice and helpful' way at all.-
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Okay, so if you realized that Jesse and Thor didn't work back as a pairing and thus realized that Jesse has to be town to you because of no partner interaction that work as scum then why didn't you mention as much in your Post 947 where you ruled out Jesse + N and used that as your reasoning for voting Thor?
And now I'm confused as fuck, I continue to not understand what the fuck you're talking about re; buddying and votes being close to each other. HOW does votes being the same and close together be an act of buddying and if you're saying that X voted Thor so Jesse wanted to buddy X so he voted Thor too then how would that even work as anything. I really really cannot understand a word you're saying about this whole thing. Slow it down and link me to post numbers. Who are you saying buddied who in what vote and what scum motivation was there attached with it.-
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Soul, so I take it you mean by 'buddying' that you mean Thor and N were voting Jesse together then? If so then that's not 'buddying as the scum motivation behind 'buddying' is to make the person buddied less likely want to lynch the buddier. Here's the proper definition if you're interested.
N, if you want to try and change my mind and suggest a pairing that involves Deadpool you're going to have to convince me what is wrong in Post 1072.-
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What I've got from Jesses scum meta so far: In Open 256 his only mention of his partner were to list them as a FoS but never went into them or voted them, they were always the 'lesser scum read'. In Open 252 he states a scum-read on CES his partner saying that his play is antitown but refrains from voting due to not being confident enough, busses Furcolow last second when he has to and never really goes back to CES. So think his meta is scum-reading his partners but having it weak enough that he never has to actually follow through with having them lynched. Also shows he's willing to hammer and buss partners when they're dead meat so his vote on N this game rather than Sixty is a point towards him being town. I couldn't find scum qts in either game though, seems they weren't posted.
But yeah, growing more and more convinced that the play today is either Soul or N.-
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In post 1111, Soul2277 wrote:A. Define buddying. Mine is when two people just obviously connect with each other in thread in a nice/helpful way. The votes being next together is buddying.
And you think this is scummy? (Or makes them more likely scum together why?)
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In post 1131, Soul2277 wrote:In post 1123, Justin Timberlake wrote:In post 1111, Soul2277 wrote:A. Define buddying. Mine is when two people just obviously connect with each other in thread in a nice/helpful way. The votes being next together is buddying.
And you think this is scummy? (Or makes them more likely scum together why?)
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I already said why in the first post I quoted where this started. They want mislynches most right now. So being willing to connect more to push for two mislynches works. Especially when neither really is pushing the other nor does it look like they plan to vote the other.
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Okay. I agree. Vote N, I'll vote him and then Ceru can hammer. (Since I found thor the townier of the two)I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23569 Empire I think REGFAN wants you to take a look at this as it's Soul22222222227's only hydra game. he's gonna be reading it later when he stops partaking in the rather fun activity of watching cricket (lmao cricket)I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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Thor, while I can understand the 'not partner hunting' in other games, with this being a white/black flag game where scum lose if two of them are lynched scum cannot afford to let their last partner get lynched so there's a lot more information to work with on who does and doesn't work as partners.
Soul, I don't mind if you post them together or separately, as long as they're posted sometime today. I think I understand what you're saying re; them voting together now, just don't find it to be any real tell - they can also be voting together because they have the same scum-read so it's really null.
Empire, I found Souls play in that game to be a lot more emotion-based and I do think a lot of their play here barring Oversouls rants are mechanical and robotic but I skimmed through their game last night at about 2am and want to do a proper read through of it later. Also glad to see you're right where I am re; partnerships that work. Out of all of them I'd say the one I'm the most most most confident in never ever being the case is Thor / Jesse - it's really not possible for Thor to have voted N and told Jesse to join him on N so he could push and buss on Jesse for the rest of the game, it makes zero sense whatsoever which means as long as you guys and deadpool are town, which is the case then lynching Soul and N make this game a fairly certain win. Uh, about Post 1152 do you guys actually have a scum-read on Thor? Because Faraday and I both think he's town.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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I'll go into the town read on him in more detail in about half an hour when I'm not half paying attention to the cricket at the same time.
I don't think Thor not wanting N lynched is that big a thing considering that he's pushing for Jesses lynch instead and has been pushing hard for Jesse for days now and given how stubborn he is that's natural from him.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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Cerulean, you're going to have to wait until tomorrow for me to explain my Thor town-read, procrastinated and got distracted far too long today.
And I think the last two hours of reading and conversation that I've done have actually confused me more than helped. But anyway here's what I make of the cases on Thor and N - Mind you there's still a bit more reading to do. It almost feels like this game is an entire novel of reading.
There's only a few points from the N case that I find that valid, I still need to do the meta comparison on him though so the whole "Too context driven / tone ect." issue I'll have to focus more on in the morning but I don't think his comment in Post 436 of being annoyed that we replaced in and posted more walls is a scum-tell at all nor do I think it contradicts his stance in the other game. I think the point about him calling it a town vs town fight and not reading into it in Post 513 holds quite a bit of merit though, not something that I like at all. I don't think his Post 647 is a scum-tell either, when he was stating 'as bad as Sixty' I think he was referring to their blitz hammer. I don't think his asking of an explanation for a Deadpool town read in Post 1054 is a bad thing at all, I do want to hear his response towards my explanation for it but I also don't think his attempt at elaborating into why he thinks Jesse and Deadpool are a scum team in Post 1117 is that bad either.
I went back through his ISO too trying to relay thoughts of Faraday and he's just trolling me back, lesson to learn; never trust the Irish. There's a few things that I'm leaning towards being town-tells though, want to hear others thoughts on them. 1) Attacking Ceruleans reasoning for town reading him in Post 241 feels like a minor town-tell, not sure the scum motivation for trying to kill the town read on them. 2) His backing down of suspecting Piggy in Post 533 and Post 647 with a partner lynched as scum he'd need whatever mslynch bait there is and him backing down on his scum-read on Piggy saying that Sixtys case on them makes him waiver would be anti-productive when he could easily just continue to pretend that he thought she was still scum. 3) His 'fake scum claim' in Post 922 if this was his first game as scum ever not sure he'd be so ballsy to say something like that.
I like a lot of the case on Thor is a massive stretch, I don't find his comments on Piggy and meta in Post 17, Post 21, Post 58, Post 65 and Post 69 are that bad at all. He has a point in that scum and town meta are needed to make a full detailed proper meta comparison. I can also think of a lot more useless questions that Oversoul asked than Thor. I don't think his change of read on Cerulean in Post 136 is that unnatural or him 'changing because he got no traction'. His read on Sixty in Post 307 is waffly but I find the post genuine for some reason. I don't think the interaction with Sixty from Post 373 to Post 375 is awkward. I have no issue with Thors Piggy hammer in Post 898 at all, the case on Piggy was a lot of Piggy - Jesse interaction and he had a scum-read on Jesse so it's a very natural time for him to hammer, especially when we're all yelling for him to get in the thread and hammer. So yeah, a lot of the Thor case is a stretch.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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Because gut. I haven't read him in a while though, so I'll do that soon.
Anyway the case is a stretch. That doesn't mean it wasn't genuine or anything just that he's stretching. Any case that long is a stretch unless it's an indepth meta study showing behaviourl differences. Also in terms of case making you should attack a couple of major points and leave it at that if you're trying to go for the throat. Or at least that's what I do when scum and it's effective enough. There's one or 2 points that give me pause and are pretty good, though. Not going back through it now because fuck that but I find most of the things Oversoul finds scummy pretty null. This doesn't surprise me anyway, as even if myself and Oversoul had a similar conclusion I'd expect we'd arrive at a result for different reasons.
It being a stretch doesn't make it wrong, either. I need to see how I FEEL about it.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1189, Soul2277 wrote:However, I want to know something. JT (I forget which head) said that my activity checks out.
I think that was in relation to you not posting here but also not being on site. (If it was reasonably recent)I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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Tammy, friends are coming over for drinking now but I'll get to Thor-Town when they leave in probably 3-4 hours.
In post 1194, Soul2277 wrote:As for has OS ever written that long I know you've searched it, but if you haven't found it I know he mentioned his longest past walls were written in his first lylo as town (although he said that before he'd finished writing).~M
Yeah, it was in Sedilla where Mastin was. Also found him doing a similar thing as town in another game, we have yet to find him doing on in a scum-game but god damn he's been town in like 95% of his games nearly so finding enough scum games to compare whether he wall case posts as scum is difficult.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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If there's anything you don't understand just ask away and I'll try and explain it clearer when I'm not somewhat tipsy.
Why I think Thor is town:
1) I find his change of read change on Cerulean from voting them to calling them obvtown from re-reading their play in Post 136 to be a town-tell, think he'd have been considering parking his vote for longer as scum, especially if the wagon alternate wagon at the time was on Piggy-Town. 2) I think him asking Piggy for a town-game where she's been lynched in Post 78 is a minor town-tell. 3) I think his catch up method of reading through, responding to some and then doing the rest later while noting for himself where he was up to such as said in Post 231 is more likely to come from town, think scum would be using the QT for stating where they're up to or where to catch up from. 4) I think the manner in which he goes 'got the opposite read off it' in Post 242 and asks for you to get together, discuss it and post both sets of opinions to be something that is fairly town motivated, I know as town I try and understand how a hydra is thinking not just together but individually so you can judge if the conclusions they've got to at the end make sense given their individual thoughts and conversation had. 5) I find the "If he flips scum I'm obvtown" comment in Post 362 about Voided to be genuine and it's something I often think when lynching a scum-read. 6) I don't think his Post 387 is him talking to partner in-thread, think them blitz hammering would have been discussed in the scum QT. 7) I think his whole play of voting N to see who would join him is massively massively town in thought process, he showed that he did suspect Sixty and knew that an N lynch wasn't going through so him pushing a 'counterwgon to save Sixty' cannot be the motivation for his move meaning that as scum either he planned the entire gambit of push someone else, then push whoever joins him which I don't think is the case. Especially not with the amount of flowing that occurs in the whole thing. I actually consider that whole situation to be a really really strong town-tell. 8) I found his whole Post 1125 to be genuine even though I think his opinion on partner hunting is wrong in this game.
With all that said my thoughts on N / Soul / Jesse is very jumbled up at the moment. Thought I was making progress on solving this entire game two days ago but it seems everything I've read since then re; Souls and Jesses meta and re-going through their ISOs has just thrown me of completely. I really think I need a day or two to just process everything and really want to hear from Jesse in the meantime as well as more from N - particularly about his thoughts on my reasoning behind Deadpool being town since him continuing to push and suggest that's what he thinks is the team while avoiding the reasoning makes little sense since he asked for it.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1200, Cerulean wrote:I know I said earlier that scum have daytalk and thus Sixty would have been yelling at Jesse to bus vote but Vi was on V/LA and Tierce was pretty much ignoring the thread.
But probably not the QT. Which doesn't weaken your point as Jessie could have been.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1203, Thor665 wrote:Why rebut Justin's anti-N case comments but not rebut his anti-Thor case comments?
He responded towards my town-tells on N, not my anti-N case and at that point I hadn't gone into my town-tells of you.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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Tammy, while Thor might say there's little to no difference between his scum and his town game, I've seen that said by a lot of players in the past and it's very very rarely true, people often like to think of their scum game as stronger than it is or just plain don't know the differences in the play themselves. With all that said I think there are a lot of elements of Thors playstyle that are null-tells but I haven't seen anything from him that I'd consider that scummy in this game and am finding his play to be genuine. I haven't played with Thor-Scum before, I know I've played with Thor-SK though but I have followed along with a Thor scum game from memory. Look forward to hearing yours and Empires detailed thoughts on everything soon though, really need to settle and agree on a few things.
Soul, RE; Post 1209 2) I find none of his preference or comments about meta to be scummy or contradictory really. 6) What are you trying to say here? It has nothing to do with who was voting who but rather their in thread interaction. 7) I think is by far the strongest town-tell so really really disagree with you attempting to treat it as a 'scum-tell' and part of your case. And as for our read on you - I think you're scum. If it came from push to shove right now and I had to place a vote down it'd be on you. There's a few things that are holding be back though, that being I'm not entirely sure I buy Jesse and yourself being completely working scum-team, there's a few comments between you guys that don't look like partners and OS's first wall resembles what I know of him as town and I've yet to come across a scum-game where he made a wall case. Pretty much a lot of small things like that are really throwing me off right now and I'm hoping a little time away from the game will help me either think it all through on a run, in the shower, on the train ect. I think I do a lot of my best thinking when I'm away from the game.
N, RE Post 1216 I'll respond first paragraph downwards 1) I don't really find 'buddying' to be a legitimate scum-tell, I don't think scums attempt at game start would be getting on the good side of someone by voting them and then unvoting them. The whole thing as town makes a lot of flowing sense. As scum it makes little. As for reactions / reads that he got; He did get one, on Equinox. 2) His tone and comments in his prior replace out posts don't read as him just being 'demotivated' the 'I won't post anymore' and 'I need to think about replacing out, okay yeah I will' ect. doesn't resemble that at all. Plus I think his consideration of replacing out would happen in the scum QT, not in-thread, all up this is a fairly massive town-tell. 3) The difference between Tierce/Piggy and Tierce/Absta is that Tierce joined the Piggy wagon late and the case looked like bussing partner for town cred whereas she was on Absta early so it can't be a 'scum thinking partners lynch is inevitable' reasoning at all. And while I think Thor/You are possible I don't think it's the case since I'm leaning towards him and to a lesser degree yourself being town. 4) Not everyone did. Soul didn't and it's one of the biggest things that are making me lean scum on them and as for the image post I meant 903.
In post 1219, Deadpool wrote:Preliminary thoughts: I am really undecided on the whole "baiting to see if anyone doesn't join the Sixty wagon." I can see both town and scum motivations behind it - town because of just what he said. Scum because he had a neat explanation for derailing the Sixty wagon - one that town would buy, so win-win. If somebody else gets lynched other than Sixty, that is the second mislynch. If not, he gives his explanation that he was baiting players off the Sixty wagon.
I think Thor-Scum and Sixty-Scum would have known without a doubt that in this playerlist they weren't going to be dodging the lynch that day so the motivation of 'derailing the Sixty and getting a mslynch elsewhere' makes very little sense and is very very unlikely - plus the fact that he only works as scum with N means you're saying he was trying to get another partner lynched instead of just bussing one partner. And while I get that it's possible that he pre-planned this entire explanation towards his actions I don't find it to be the case - I think the entire thing is very natural.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1207, Cerulean wrote:JT - how does thors own statement that his town game and scum game aren't really different affect your reading of his town tell? Also, have you ever played in a game with Thor scum?
(I have, at least once.)
Also SELF META IS INVALID LOL. SO THEREFORE HIS GAMES MUST BE DIFFERENT.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1263, theslimer3 wrote:I'll get on PC shortly and do some ISO reads on the suspected (myself too so I can see what I did to be so lucky)
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In post 1231, Cerulean wrote:Your face is boring
What the fuck?
In post 1232, Cerulean wrote:Just sayin
WHAT THE FUCK?
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In post 1249, Deadpool wrote:JT, do you think Oversoul is capable of explaining all his emotions as scum the way he did? It is not the rage but the explanations for it that makes me lean town on him.
Hmm? Is that a thing that's hard to do. if you'regenuinelymad I think you can probably explain it? It doesn't seem something that is hard to do as scum, I know I've been able to explain my reasons behind being angry (whether angry or faking!anger). Eh, I'll re-read it again with a clearer picture in mind.
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Sorry, been really busy lately. Good news is that things are getting a lot clearer in my head, want to talk with Faratroll though to see where his is.
Really don't like Slimers replace in but trying to determine how much of it is just derp and how much is actually scummy, I remember browsing a recently completed game of his where he blitz hammered as town on what essentially was lylo so think it's likely his whole "Not reading 50 pages" is just him being a moron. The "I never get scum roles" comment though comes across as really forced and ungenuine.
In post 1235, Thor665 wrote:Actually - could someone remind me why N is 'only partners with Thor'? I should probably actually look at that logic.
That's not actually it. It's "Thor only works as partners with N". Soul / N is possible. Pretty much what it is is that Jesse/N don't work and Deadpool/Cerulean are town.
In post 1248, Deadpool wrote:JT, why go to such effort if Sixty was getting lynched regardless?
I honestly don't know why I put so much effort into the game - I think it's very likely that I'm overly addicted to the game and struggle to remove the game and thoughts about it from my mind. Her response and excuse for the hammer didn't make any sense at all given that the hammer looked like it was just a Vi thing so her claiming to be there and have 'discussed it together' I was pretty sure was bullshit so wanted to make sure that time-zone wise it was without a doubt a blatant lie.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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Cerulean, I'm going to need your two thoughts soon because I'm growing more and more comfortable with my reads and Faraday isn't disagreeing with any of them other than perhaps the strength of a town-read or two but overall we're pretty much in synch. So if you guys are on a different wave length we need to know now especially given that the deadlines counting down and there's only 5ish days left or so.
N, RE Post 1293 1. I don't find buddying to be a scum-tell, that's why. You have players that suck up to others as both alignments and you have players that avoiding doing such, it's very rare that someone buddies as scum but not as town or as town and not as scum. So really I think it's probably one of the worst scum-tells thrown around. 2. Not finding the manner of his replace out as him being demotivated but we're going in circles over this point. And I think peoples actions here vs likelihood of it happening in the qt is a big thing, I remember being scum inside a QT in Faradays game and Slaxxs game and pretty much used it as a big communication arena and there'd be a lot of things I could have said in-thread but preferred to or opted to post it inside the QT there and think scum here are likely to do the same. 3. You've just agreed with me here.. I said that her interaction with absta and with piggy weren't similar. And it's not 'Sixty busses one partner' it was her push on Piggy looked like an attempt to grab town-cred given how late she was on the wagon.
In post 1294, Thor665 wrote:How does Day 2 from me flow into scumpartnership with N? I would think Thor/Ceru or Thor/JT would make more sense at that stage. I think the point I'm hinting at is that clearing a connection to me is paranoid derp most likely - and maybe we should lynch off other reasons.
The D2 push on N with you as partners with N is slightly weird, it's another of the reasons that I'm leaning towards it being Soul/Jesse or Soul/N at the moment. And we're not lynching solely for the reasoning of 'connections', that's just to help narrow things down a little bit and find out where is more likely to hit scum and where is far less likely. We'll be basing our vote on reads and right now from T->S: We're probably at Cerulean=Deadpool > Thor > N > Jesse=Soul.
In post 1303, Thor665 wrote:Okay, Deadpool can be a stronger scum read than Soul now. Which is terrible, but...he's just admitted to being two players who don't discuss anything, and that needs to be squashed immediately.
Not discussing reads together as a hydra isn't actually that scummy, it's not optimal play but it's very understandable - finding time when you're both online and able to discuss things is often very difficult and I don't find any real issue with their stances or what it leads to. It's not them saying N is the common partnership denominator and thus should be lynched, it's them saying they both have a scum-read on N and is the scum-read they both share thus want him lynched.I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1338, Deadpool wrote:F-16 said he thinks Jess and N are scummy.
who does he think is scum with N
is it jesse
is that what he thinks it is?I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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In post 1333, Soul2277 wrote:Maybe because I'm not dumb and I realize I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I didn't hard defend jesse right now or do something similar. Do you really think I was scum with jesse wouldn't be defending him more right now or trying to kill the belief of that as a team that could exist. Essentially I'm competent enough not to let the current situation with jesse be occurring and let it continue. Or am I incompetent?
Yes because when people are trying to narrow down pairs you would certainly be incompetent to not defend your buddy
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In post 1361, Soul2277 wrote:That was half of it (and you can explain to me how neither pushing on him a lot or protecting him a lot is wise in this situation if he was my buddy). Not sure what the last line means.
It means do you even lift. (If jesse's your buddy you're kind of fucked either way. It doesn't make you a bad player to not take action, or not to defend)I'M BRINGING SEXY BACK-
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