Open 481: Duck, Duck, Goose Mafia

[fuzzybutternut]

Alright, if we all arm ourselves appropriately, scum won't stand a chance.

also,
VOTE: Pirate Mollie
Just because.

[fuzzybutternut]

Woohoo! Votes! <3

[fuzzybutternut]

Ohai Wisdom. Nice to see you again.

[fuzzybutternut]

McQueen, you scum this game?

[fuzzybutternut]

Let's try not to let that happen, guys.

[fuzzybutternut]

so..confused...

[fuzzybutternut]

What the hell is going on here. That's what's confusing me.

[fuzzybutternut]

Limo-what was your vote for?
McQueen- You don't have anything else to say to that vote?

[fuzzybutternut]

Alright. It makes sense now then.
Hmm.
Mantis, care to explain the evidence at hand?

[fuzzybutternut]

Hmm.

I'm shocked we haven't seen more of Mollie.

Regardless, I'd like to hear from other people.

Limo, why?

[fuzzybutternut]

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Mantisdreamz

For page 3, (most of which is RVS and nonsense between Wisdom and McQueen) Limo has a pretty good case against Mantis. And Mantis' response boils down to "I don't know how you got that from my posts. It's kind of scummy to build a case from only a few posts." It's three pages in! What do you expect? You don't even really respond to his points; you just shrug them off as being made out of nothing without actually denying his points or clarifying your own actions.

Honestly, I saw this as a kind of town standpoint.

[fuzzybutternut]

I don't think so. Why are you trying to draw conclusions so quick? We don't even have enough information to go on.

[fuzzybutternut]

fuzzy partner.
One more.

Mm, okay.

Meta is a great thing, Wisdom. Do you know that?

[fuzzybutternut]

If Wisdom isn't scum, i'll be damned.

[fuzzybutternut]

In my head.
Thinking.
Reading.

Mantis, you've played with Wisdom before.
Specifically Less Pressure-Micro 86.
He did the exact same thing he's doing now.
"You're scum" and "You're scum's buddy."
Just stating it, with no real reason.

[fuzzybutternut]

Furthermore, comments like post 74. Happened in Micro 86 too.
He was scum that game, btw.

[fuzzybutternut]

Evidence is key to this game, Wisdom.

Mollie, he very well may be.

[fuzzybutternut]

That, my friend, is where you are wrong.
Another scum game of yours, Micro 118, I believe, showed the same signs in early game.
I don't assume anything.
Do you understand the point in Meta, Wisdom? It's to get the feel of a player you've never played with before. To learn the common mistakes they make, or don't make. To

read

the player better. Meta is great. Now you're trying to escape it.

Mollie, I have not played with Mantis before.
I have played with Wisdom, though rather briefly.

[fuzzybutternut]

Certainly. Please hold.

[fuzzybutternut]

Spoiler:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4498247
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4498575
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4675360
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4675549

Notice anything familiar in the first two posts?

The last two stuck out to me too.

He does the exact same kind of posting here, as he does in these games.

If he's not scum, I'll be damned.

VOTE: Wisdom

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not entirely sure. She's null leaning town for me. I can see town getting into a situation where they just don't know how to defend themselves, and get flustered, making themselves look worse. I've done it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Mkay, Mantis is scum.

fuzzy partner.
One more.

mollie who is the third scum?

Tell me again how post 1 and two are nothing like anything here?

[fuzzybutternut]

@Elyse, yes, they can, but typically when they do, they either get angry, or they start shooting off random scum tells that don't even make sense. I haven't really seen Mantis do either yet.

[fuzzybutternut]

I did read the game, or, as much as I needed to. You're either missing the point, or trying really hard to divert everyone away from it. You were scum and you did the exact same thing as you are doing in this game.

[fuzzybutternut]

Exact same thing=exact same tactic. I'm not wrong.

[fuzzybutternut]

First post - I was responding to Klick's gambit.

As scum I found it a good chance to call him scum so that his gambit wouldn't work nothing like that here.

Second post - Townies were telling me that I am scum because unlike them, I read my role pm and knew my wincon. I found this frustrating and I responded. Nothing like that here.
Third post - "Who is scum" is a question that I ask as town too. I can provide a link if you can't find that on your own.
Fourth post - This was the third game I was playing with Mantis and I used the "we've never been town together" excuse to push a case on her. This is the only one that is similar to my behavior to her here - only this time I am town and I feel she isn't.

In short, only the fourth is valid, but wrong anyway.

[fuzzybutternut]

@Elyse
I've seen scum do both, honestly. I've seen them flop more though.

I agree, Meta alone is not strong enough. I use Meta to make cases, and move forward from those cases. Like I'm doing now.

@Wisdom-no one was gambitted. You're missing the point, again. It's not the

reason

you're doing it, it's the

fact

you're doing it.

[fuzzybutternut]

*facedesk*

read. That's all I have to say. Read.

[fuzzybutternut]

Mmm. No, I don't think so. Naturally, I'm going to stick up for someone that I find town. Call it buddying if you will, but I call it trying to win the game.

Mollie also seems town to me.

Again, I'll be damned if Wisdom isn't scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

You are acting scummy, and doing everything you can to avoid reading my posts.

[fuzzybutternut]

Where do you state scumreads and give reasons?

Do you sleep well at night, Wisdom?

[fuzzybutternut]

*shrug* as I said before, I'll defend town if I feel someone is town. I know there is a chance I could be wrong, but imo, the chance that I'm right outweighs the chance that I'm wrong.

Syr- if you'd like to meta me, check out my wiki. I've never been scum, so it shouldn't be hard to read my play.

[fuzzybutternut]

So far, yes.

[fuzzybutternut]

And what, then, if I

am

right?

[fuzzybutternut]

*shrug* the point was to relay my suspicion on Wisdom. I think I did that pretty well.

[fuzzybutternut]

So you're saying that I have no suspicion of him?

[fuzzybutternut]

Ah. Makes more sense now.

[fuzzybutternut]

Going to actually stick with my pirate mollie vote.
(@Mantisdreamz -

Now

it's a serious vote.)

wondering about her too. we've played together tons across several forums, she knows that my scum game involves lurking, or just barely participating.

stuff like

mollie, who is town to you right now?

everyone else but you 3

@mollie - if that was the case, you think wisdom is hardcore busing me, while fuzzy buddies?

If that were the case, we'd be the worst scum team in history.

[fuzzybutternut]

All the wotes!

[fuzzybutternut]

Thoughts on Mollie as scum?

[fuzzybutternut]

If she flips scum, i'm gonna be pissed. >.<

[fuzzybutternut]

Why did you hammer so early?

And fuzzy why would you be pissed if someone flipped scum?

Because I defended her, and that would have made me scum sus #1. Why the hell was Mollie killed?

[fuzzybutternut]

Eluse, what do you think about McQueens hammer yesterday.
Fuzzy, why do you think PM was chosen?

I honestly don't know. Do you think she was onto scum too much?

[fuzzybutternut]

VOTE: JacobSavage

[fuzzybutternut]

I think the mcqueen hammer could go both ways. It is an incredibly dangerous/stupid move for the scum to hammer on the first day. However, knowing that, it is entirely possible he played on that to get a free scum hammer on day 1. I'm really not sure which one it could be. I'm leaning towards mcqueen as town at the moment, but I could easily be wrong.

I see a couple of unsubstantiated votes (Elyse, Fuzzy). Could we get some justifications for them please?

Also, I've no idea why Mollie was NK'd. I'm going to go back and read the first day phase to see if I can get a better read on it.

My vote basically sits on Jacob because he had nothing to do with Mantis, at all. Like, not even a "she's town post." Makes me feel like he was just sitting back and watching town kill itself.

[fuzzybutternut]

I think McQueen is town, only because that was the stupidest quickhammer I've ever seen. Though, his vote on me is questionable.

Generally, people who don't communicate wind up to be a scum team, however, in this case, I think it's more of a "scum distancing himself from his NK"

[fuzzybutternut]

I'd be okay with a wisdom lynch for that very reason.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wisdom

[fuzzybutternut]

I'd be okay with a wisdom lynch for that very reason.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wisdom

Dude, a fricking

Townsperson

is better than you,

LMFAO!

Tell me again how you're helping town?

[fuzzybutternut]

I've already explained my reasons for defending Mantis. She was my strongest town read, and I saw no reason for her to be killed. I've never seen scum buddy a definite day kill, nor do I know why they would.
My suspicions lie on either Wisdom or McQueen as one of the scum, as I don't believe it's probable that they are both scum, but it's certainly a possibility.

[fuzzybutternut]

Umm, no. I stated that I believed she was town, and defended her, way before I knew she was going to be lynched. Try again, Pedro.

[fuzzybutternut]

Your case against me is very, very weak, Wisdom. You're pulling shit out of thin air.

[fuzzybutternut]

Wasn't a lie at all. What makes it seem like it's a lie?

[fuzzybutternut]

? 4 votes =/= definite lynch. I've seen people at l-1 in D2 live through LYLO.

Again, pulling shit out of thin air.

Don't misrep me.

[fuzzybutternut]

FUCK.
Majiffy, WHY.

[fuzzybutternut]

And that's not L-1, but nice try.

[fuzzybutternut]

-.- I read the 3 as a two. >.>

[fuzzybutternut]

Hahahaha.
Anywho.
You scum, bro?

[fuzzybutternut]

Cool. So who's your partner?

[fuzzybutternut]

Wanna bus your partner and get him lynched?

[fuzzybutternut]

Fair enough. Why don't you at least *try* to scumhunt then.

[fuzzybutternut]

Stay away from cars mate. Whether they're moving or not.

[fuzzybutternut]

paranoia saves lives.

Enough with this ridiculous chatter, go have fun drinking.

Wisdom, how do you feel about Majiffy's earlier post?

[fuzzybutternut]

That was completely uncalled for, McQueen.
Do you not think I knew what he was doing? Honestly?

[fuzzybutternut]

McQueen, why are you so dumb?

If I honestly thought Majiffy was scum, I would have voted him as soon as he said he was.
Biased play? How is my play biased?

[fuzzybutternut]

When did we start talking about experience? I've been on site for about 5-7 months. I can't remember when I joined. I

know

i'm new. That has absolutely nothing to do with this game.

[fuzzybutternut]

He is biased in the sense, he is the Noob, and acts as if he is the bigger player.

My playstyle sucks, but I am much more experienced and bigger player.

If I have to play a couple games without being the VI to prove it, I will.

...where do I act like i'm a "bigger player?" Please, enlighten me.

[fuzzybutternut]

@Syrvana, basically, I had him on my list as scum during day 1, but I couldn't put it into words why I thought he was scum. You did that, and so I voted for him. If it seems scummy, well, oh well. I didn't feel my original case on him was strong enough either. This explains my vote completely.

[fuzzybutternut]

So much for playing to your wincon.

[fuzzybutternut]

Mmhmm. And you expect to win how?

[fuzzybutternut]

I just like how he didn't start this until Majiffy did. Makes me think he's thinking he can get away with it. Funny thing about me is that I never discredit anyone, for anything.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, but I said the same thing about you. You're more likely to be right though.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, true. Chalk that one up to my many noob moments.
I don't like McQueen anyway.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, true. Chalk that one up to my many noob moments.
I don't like McQueen anyway.

I was talking to Majiffy [hence the quote].

I was kidding, earlier, lol.

It's just a game.

I was too.

[fuzzybutternut]

Well, shit.

[fuzzybutternut]

Nope. That's it. You're lynched, bro.

What do you mean, lurker?

[fuzzybutternut]

I agree.
Hmm. It's day three. Would anyone be opposed to claiming whether they have used their ability?

[fuzzybutternut]

Shut up Majiffy.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'll answer that at a later date, Limo.

[fuzzybutternut]

I agree.
Hmm. It's day three. Would anyone be opposed to claiming whether they have used their ability?

Why, did you want to know whom you can safely kill tonight?

That's laughable.

[fuzzybutternut]

Why are you voting me, Elyse?

[fuzzybutternut]

*facepalm* you people really know how to ruin a reaction test. I was seeing if anyone would actually say they did, because it doesn't matter anymore if they've used it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, because i'm just going to jump up and say "Hey guys, who can I NK tonight?" Funny. That wouldn't even make any sense.

[fuzzybutternut]

And you honestly think I'd be that stupid?

[fuzzybutternut]

THAT'S laughable.

[fuzzybutternut]

I was hoping who all would actually do it, and use those results to deduct scum. For instance, had someone else asked that question, I would have said "Yes, I used my ability" hoping to be the target of the NK, where i could then use my ability to kill scum. I'm thinking ahead, people. >.>

[fuzzybutternut]

What's scummy about him/her?

[fuzzybutternut]

Let's go with the second half.

[fuzzybutternut]

Fair enough. VOTE: Syryana

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm pretty much sheeping Majiffy on this one. If Syr is scum, Majiffy is town. If Syr is town, Majiffy is scum. There's no way Majiffy can be wrong about two people being scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Actually, let me rephrase that. "There is no way

town

Majiffy would be completely wrong about two people." He's too good of a player for that.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, that's not scummy at all.

[fuzzybutternut]

What's scummy and terrible is the wagon on Syryana and its speed. You and/or Elyse are scum.

And you're confident about this?

[fuzzybutternut]

That's humorous.

What's even funny is that you're trying to pull of a counter wagon to save your scumbuddy. And here I thought you to be so much better than that.

[fuzzybutternut]

Besides, she's only at L-2 right now.

What's got you so frantic?

[fuzzybutternut]

As does my opinion of Majiffy.

[fuzzybutternut]

UNVOTE:

Actually, not yet.

[fuzzybutternut]

I think Wisdom is scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

That's convincing.

[fuzzybutternut]

No, but it would be nice to convince town.

VOTE: Wisdom

[fuzzybutternut]

Perhaps.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not sure if Syryana just town told really hard, or if she's faking it in hopes to gain town cred....

[fuzzybutternut]

UNVOTE:
I don't like having my vote on someone who's voting me.

[fuzzybutternut]

Just gives me an off feeling. I've seen scum partners do that, and I don't like it. I just realized I was the only person voting him and he I.

[fuzzybutternut]

What?

[fuzzybutternut]

So, because I realized something was scummy about my situation, and backed off from it, I'm scum? That's humorous.

[fuzzybutternut]

Tell me again how that's scummy?

[fuzzybutternut]

What is the scum motivation behind this?

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, still not getting it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Try reading this page. Just this page. It's not hard. Go slowly.

If you want, I can make it into a picture book and condense all the sentences down to 3-4 words that have rhyming endings.

Does that come with a happy meal?

[fuzzybutternut]

Realizing my vote didn't need to be there, and that it could be better somewhere else.

[fuzzybutternut]

It shouldn't be there, because it doesn't need to be there. The two go hand in hand.

[fuzzybutternut]

It's funny, because this isn't actually one of my scum games.

[fuzzybutternut]

mm. Obvscum. Right. Have fun with that one.

[fuzzybutternut]

"Hey guys, let's go look at 3 pages in the entire game and decide who's scum!" said No One Ever.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, if they flat out say "i'm scum"

[fuzzybutternut]

That being said, I'm going out for my birthday. I'll be very disappointed if I come back and I'm dead, but if so, so be it. Lynch Majiffy tomorrow.

[fuzzybutternut]

Not my best game ever, but good job nonetheless. Was a pleasure playing with you all.