Open 545: Nothing to Hide (Game over!! MAFIA WINS!!!)

[SalmonellaDreams]

Reading up, etc.

I'm on page 6.

[SalmonellaDreams]

Glad to be here.

Yeah, TvK should go ahead and claim. I don't think he's town, really, based on all the stuff that's already been mentioned that I'm not going to regurgitate. Plus, I'm town reading ABR pretty hard and trust his confidence.

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Couple more questions:

TvK, any updated thoughts on the Tool wagon?

Bjc actually flipping scum made Desperado a lot less suspicous.

What do you think the chances are of Desp's hammer being a bus?

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Okay.

Yeah, TvK should go ahead and claim.

[SalmonellaDreams]

Hid behing Desperado night 1. Oh no, why did I drop the scumread on Desperado? Wasn't too hard to figure out, was it?

Why would you hide behind someone you suspected of being scum?

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Just be patient, the wagon isn't going anywhere.

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Did you crumb you were going to hide behind Desp?

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Alright.

VOTE: TvK

[SalmonellaDreams]

Don't worry SD, you made the right call.

I agree.

[SalmonellaDreams]

BTW, I want a claim out of 4nxiety. that post at the end of D2 looked prettty scum.

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PSBTW, Hi salmonelladreams!

You want a claim in the beginning of the day on a player who isn't at L-1?

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Meant to say hi back, too...

Hi

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@Salmonella....why don't you have a "grasp of the game" yet? You joined 6 days ago when the game only had 12 pages. Plus you had a 3 day night phase where no additional posting was taking place. HTF long does it take you to form an opinion?

I read the whole thing, I just find it easier to form opinions while actively participating (and I'm guilty of not participating lately, obviously).

ABR, why is kaiveran scum?

I pretty much missed all the lost posts, for the record.

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Kaiveran: How do you feel about anx?
Anx: Same but vice versa.

@vonflare: I think both wagons are kinda crummy, sort of. I think Kai is sort of off but I don't feel right joining that wagon. I need to look into anxiety more before I make a decision there but he hasn't done anything that's stuck out as scummy.

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@tool: probably kai. She missed my question ): But I just don't really feel like wagoning right now.

I find it sketchy that vonflare's declared himself near confirmed town and dropped two sensible cases to vote for me over an extremely weak and not even correct interaction tell. I've defended town players as scum before, it's called buddying.

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Its not sketchy at all. it is, as you called it, an

interaction tell

which is short for interaction SCUMtell.

he supported you, then turned out to be scum. don't tell me that you didn't think that would cast suspicion into your slot.

And comon. BJC didn't even have a reason for telling them to stop voting you. he just said he doesn't like it so stop it. that seems pretty scummy, and not just for him.

Yes, tell is short for scumtell. Are you really trying to use that against me? Also, you missed the point where I said it was a very weak, and in this case, inaccurate tell.

BJC defending me is a null tell because scum can and will go out of their way to manipulate interactions like that for their own benefit. You don't seem to understand that.

Also, that anxiety vote and unvote was just awful.

VOTE: vonflare

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I have been telling you why it's weak. Go back and reread, I don't want to have to point it out.

Where did you clear up the weirdness of 457 and 459?

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Oh I can't read.

Did you see where I pointed out why your read is weak or are you just going to ignore that?

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BJC defending me is a null tell because scum can and will go out of their way to manipulate interactions like that for their own benefit. You don't seem to understand that.

Can you respond to this, then?

Sakura, who would you say is your strongest town read?

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vonflare, why did you ignore 474?

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vonflare, why did you ignore 474?

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Bah, I'm going to sheep onto the Kaiveran wagon for the sake of actually having a useful vote

VOTE: Kaiveran

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My old vote wasn't going anywhere.

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He's scummy but not scummy enough for me to throw down a hammer.

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READS:

TOWN: sakura, kaiveran.

SCUM: salmon.

VOTE: salmonelladreams

Also, I vote him first to claim. (if we do a massclaim)

...You have three reads?

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VT

I want vonflare to claim.

[SalmonellaDreams]

VOTE: vonflare for obvious reasons.

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Yeah, fuck this game if vonflare flips anything other than scum.

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how does it look bad? I had just voted vonflare the day before, too, which got no support

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For the record I'd probably lynch me too.

I'm thinking Aegor and TSO, but if my accuracy with voting is indicative of how right I am, I'm probably wrong :/

Sorry I can't stay longer right now I'll be back on later this evening.

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I don't like this at all. SD is kind of acting like he's about to get lynched here even though there's kind of an equal amount of suspicion on him as there is on anybody else. Then he gets self-deprecating with his reads, kind of like he's leaving the door open to sheep somebody on a mislynch.

I kind of assumed I was getting lynched but after reading more thoroughly it's not a sure thing. If I try to make a really bad, convenient vote, call me out on it.

For your other case in 747:

The TvK wagon was regretful. I was strongly relying on ABR's confidence, because for ABR to express such a strong read like that, he'd have to be pretty damn confident in his read. I was also a tad overeager to jump into the game.

Yeah, I've been lurking. I'm really bad about it.

vonflare made that really awful vote and claim request on anxiety, followed immediately by an unvote. Throwing around claim requests like that reeked of rolefishing and is what led me to vote him. I also really didn't like his push on me. It just didn't make sense to me and I couldn't just ignore it.

I sheeped onto Kaiveran's wagon because it was the next best thing and my vonflare vote was going absolutely nowhere.

vonflare butchered his night actions. The inconsistency was indicative of scum backpedaling when put under pressure.

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I'd vote Aegor because of Kaiveran's slot.

[SalmonellaDreams]

Well huh.

Not surprised, I'm a scummy person :/