Open 559:Diffusion of Power - Game Over!

[bjc]

Strange indeed.

Lynch boro and then doc, win.

[bjc]

Votecount 6.02

BoroPhil (2) : Prof Fridays, bjc
Docthorr (1) : BoroPhil

Not Voting (3) : Burning Crystal, Docthorr, insanity018

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline

: The deadline for Day 6 will be at 10:00 AM CST on July 25th, which is in (expired on 2014-07-25 10:00:00).

Notes

:
Burning Crystal is on V/LA until the 18th
Docthorr is on V/LA until the 19th

Interesting.

Doc is nowhere to be found, insanity playing careful...
Boro doesn't believe his partner can win so he wants to kill his guy off first and then leave me, insanity, and BC alive tomorrow to try and pull off the win. Knowing BC's play this game I wouldn't doubt he could pull it off, but why does he vote doc if he's so sure I'm scum?

Again: it couldn't be any more obvious. It became obvious after lynching elk. Hell I kind of pointed it out here:

And I will say that the push on Elk does, at least right now, seem scum-manipulated. Or should I say the reluctance to lynch Doctor.

How many times can someone voice a willingness to lynch Doc yet want to lynch Prof or Elk? Especially knowing that the reasoning behind lynching them is somewhat obscure.

It is very concerning that people are avoiding the Doc lynch when nearly everyone has agreed that Doc would be a goo d lynch.

This is what I was talking about. Boro was one who said lynching doc was a good play but went after elk because he lurked too much.

You really shouldn't have to pressure vote someone past day one. I wish you guys would open your eyes or sheep me/prof for the win. Prof saw the above when I posted it too.

I really don't have much to say other than what I've said already. No big walls because my laptop is back at home. You have until Thursday before I'm completely without WiFi until next Sunday. Step on it people.

[bjc]

If we lynch boro today, doc stands no chance tomorrow. This is why he wants to lynch doc.
If we lynch doc today, prof does tonight. No way he leaves prof with me. BC and insanity are easier to sway against me. This would be the second worse option...
We lynch !e today and lose the game or unnecessarily no lynch.
Game lost.

[bjc]

You know what?

UNVOTE: Docthorr

VOTE: theelkspeaks

I'm fine with either. If bjc wants to swap his vote, too, to get this over with, I'm not gonna stop it. But frankly everyone else is being slow.

Main reason I voted elk. I can only do so much, at some point people just don't follow my logic or don't listen to anyone else's logic (Titus Titus Titus titus ).

That's the post that did me in.

[bjc]

These were USUX's scum reads. One of [elk, insanity, doc] is surely scum as like you say, scum tend to have one of their buddies in their lists.

elk/doc is where I'm leaning.

having said that, I don't think your case on doc is much of a case - analysing nightkills is always WIFOM and only the fact he was continuously in his lynchpool makes me think one of them will be scum.

then it comes down to who looks the scummiest, more PoE than anything - since insanity looks town - Elk just hasn't got involved, looks like typical lurking scum to me (although admittedly Doc isn't much better, 15 v 20 posts or something?

he leans on elk and doc with good certainty but in the very same post attempts to discredit the case on doc.

I mean... What more do you guys want? Analyzing why I haven't been killed yet is bullshit. Apparently it's not bullshit when it fits your agenda, right boro?

[bjc]

That stuff on elk is laughable and precisely why we shouldn't have allowed him to have been lynched.

[bjc]

Keep trying, it still feels fake. You're lucky BC is still alive, as if we lose it's mostly because she failed to set bias aside.

[bjc]

all people have to do is look at the facts, and analyse things properly. you weren't ever being pro-town ever since your d1 self-vote. and after that you've tried to present this image of not giving a fuck, whereas you've actually been deliberately scuppering town at every turn. it's so transparent now - and here you realise you are in trouble, and suddenly you go all serious.

Prof/Sal has had an absolute nightmare all game, so I'm not surprised he is following you. you've been having a go at Titus all game, and while none of us have played well, he has at least stood up to some of your shit. I think deep down he knows you are scum.

-ignores everything I brought up against him
-attacks me, not the argument
-continues cozying up to Titus because the only way he's winning is through Titus, who's yet to show the ability to set her bias/ego aside to cooperate with people in my position.

[bjc]

Prof will see this instantly as confirmation that it's boro and doc.

[bjc]

"All you have to do is look at the facts.... You weren't ever being pro town since your day one self vote."

Let's see...

Well townreads are
ShadedMelee
Young and Beautiful (assumed conftown)
Burning Crystal
bjc (probable conftown)

BC - bjc has to be conftown doesn't he?

Sala cleared him, so either Sala and bjc are scum together or bjc is town. surely scum wouldn't run the risk of outing two of them like that?

BoroPhil, why are you asking if bjc must be conftown?

There's no remaining cop clear on him so no, he does not. Sal revoked her claim to have checked bjc. I just explained WHY I pushed Sal there.

Sal could engage in that gambit for a multitude of reasons as either alignment. It needs more pressing.

Right now, this head is content to sit back for awhile and watch the wagons work.

~Titus

This head is VLA until Tuesday. My other head has carte blance to do whatever, but I will skype from time to time with him. Don't think you're sneaking ANYTHING past me.

because it's quite clear you want to go after him and I couldn't work out why considering he was conftown. which he obviously isn't now.

which changes things a lot - but more in sala's case than bjc's I would say

I'll eat my hat if scum isn't in [elk, doc, Prof]

Insanity is the towniest of the other 3, BC not far behind. bjc is a bit of a wild card and has gone a bit quiet today but I'm still pretty confident he is town.

2 years on mafiascum and I didn't know what popcorn was.

I'm a doc.

I think I'm at:

SCUM
Prof
Doc
Bjc
BC
Insanity
TOWN

So Prof goes next?

You only started calling me scum when you had no other options, not because I became scummier. It was either calling me scum or trying to call insanity, or BC scum. That's would be a death sentence.

He tried injisting me and prof were or that it was prof and doc, but that was killed by the not guilty.

It also males sense why she was tsrgeted/scum no killed. If he thought I was gonna wifom it or rebel against the plan they kill the cop and win the game when I'm lynched. If the kill is blocked, they can push the "bjc no killed" angle. It's a win/win for scum really...

I don't see why we're will dicking around but I'm not surprised as a lot of people on this site prefrrr that crap.

[bjc]

all people have to do is look at the facts, and analyse things properly. you weren't ever being pro-town ever since your d1 self-vote. and after that you've tried to present this image of not giving a fuck, whereas you've actually been deliberately scuppering town at every turn. it's so transparent now - and here you realise you are in trouble, and suddenly you go all serious.

Prof/Sal has had an absolute nightmare all game, so I'm not surprised he is following you. you've been having a go at Titus all game, and while none of us have played well, he has at least stood up to some of your shit. I think deep down he knows you are scum.

-ignores everything I brought up against him
-attacks me, not the argument
-continues cozying up to Titus because the only way he's winning is through Titus, who's yet to show the ability to set her bias/ego aside to cooperate with people in my position.
-attempt to discredit a confirmed town member

Quoted for emphasis and to add a point I left off last time

[bjc]

O rly?

Because it's not like I've tried pretty fucking hard to lynch doc at all. You're stretching real hard here.

Why haven't I died? I don't care to dwell on that.

[bjc]

Insanity, convince Titus the game is about to be won and please help us win.

Sucks it's four to lynch.

[bjc]

Let's doooooo stuff...

[bjc]

Please don't be paranoid.

[bjc]

Otherwise lynch me because this is reaching absurd levels of lengthiness. Booorrriiinnnggg.

[bjc]

Noooooo woman no cry

[bjc]

I wanna love you, love and treat you, love and treat you right.

[bjc]

Cool story.

But game-long bus is stupid, you can find me complaining about bussing in other games I'm sure.

[bjc]

Yurp

[bjc]

It's okay boro I know you're just playing this up.

[bjc]

Guys please open your eyes and look at that horrific post. He has yet to address much of anything and continues to try to demonize the situation. He literally just said he was unsure of insanity!!


Hahahahahaha.

[bjc]

Of course, especially with the cards he was dealt. Still, it's getting tiring and it's because town does not want to cooperate.

[bjc]

Yes, you're painting this as an autp-lose to appeal to Titis' paranoia.

[bjc]

All you need to know is that the game is won.

[bjc]

Uhm... Yeah..

[bjc]

I don't know what else there is to say from my end. It's clear that chevlon prefers lynching me. Any reason WHY he votes boro but spent 90% of his post talking about me being scum?

Why the hell would I bus him all game long? That is not logical people. That's inefficient as fuck and I'm a team player as scum, sort of a lone wolf as town.

The evidence is all over this game. Boro and Chev are defeated and would be trying harder if they were town. This game has dragged out long enough and if you really are afraid of me then just lynch me so I can get pissy once it's over. We literally have the win right ahead of us, and lack of clear vision is holding us back.

This is precisely why I wanted you to investigate boro.

[bjc]

I mean seriously what more can I do? Leaving this in the hands of Titus is a bad bad bad idea. Unless of course you like unnecessarily long,tiresome, boring games. Personally that's just not fun, much like dicking around for many pages at a time ruins the fun for me.

You know as well as I what's gonna happen. You could hammer boro. What happens afterwards? Well, Chev kills prof and leaves Titus and insanity alive along with me hoping to get the paranoia strong enough to get me lynched. Itbwoukd be the same if boro got doc lynched (notice how they both call the other scum with me and prefer lynching me since I'm the biggest "threat" yet vote the other rather than me? Hint: they don't want to bus and want to leave the winning option in there but at this point it's impossible!).

[bjc]

I'm going to say the same thing I say every time there is paranoia in lylo: I will never make it to lylo as scum. For some reason I just can't do it on this site.

[bjc]

^What do you think of bjc's play on Day 1 then?

Specifically referring to the fact he was hard pushing Doctorr towards the end.

Quoted because boro apparently missed this post.

[bjc]

I'm going to say the same thing I say every time there is paranoia in lylo: I will never make it to lylo as scum. For some reason I just can't do it on this site.

If you are right and Chev is scum, then he's the biggest idiot ever if he NKs you.


Chevron what actions did you do that were perceived as scummy?

Start from Night 1, why would a team of bjc and Phil NK the people they did?

You misread my post. Lesigh.

[bjc]

Me too game was won quite some time ago.

[bjc]

It's not possible according to my role PM.

[bjc]

But it's clear that you are acknowledging that it's more likely to be boro/doc.

And by more likely, I'm only saying from your perspective.

Insanity hammer plx. I won't be around for the final day I'll be at the lake thursday-sunday boo. MKe me proud or just draw the game out more. Prof is likely to get killed tonight. Any other person gets killed and it's 100% game over for the scum team as that allow me and prof to gang up on obvscum.

But insanity/BC vs bjc vs chevlon? Yeah there may be problems there...

[bjc]

So I guess Prof is scum...?

I can't believe you're scum reading me lol. Jesus.

I abandoned doc for Hershey because it seemed like that's where the game was going and I scum read her. Doc still fit in that scenario and was still a person of interest. If I were scum as you so believe, why wouldn't I stay on doc and fail only to get towncred when Hershey flipped town? Whyfoam yes but since you're asking, I'm providing.

Hershey's town flip was necessary in that it began the slow process of opening my eyes towards boro. Why I abandoned doc again for the hammer of elk was part frustration and part an urge to show some of you how poor I thought your play. It's the same thing I wanted to do with Victor, since you guys can't read town and/or scum-manipulated wagons.

I'm rushing because this game has been ridiculously long. Over a month? Please, that is waaaayyyy too much time for mafia games. They become stale at that point. The best games on this site last no more than three weeks usually, and IMO the sweet spot is 2-3 weeks. My homesite games usually take 7-12 days.

Sooooo yeah. Whatever. Your style use frustrating as hell because:
-you want to be in control of the game, when I don't really think you should be
-your play has frustrated me through a combination of refusing to really listen to others and the above


Anyway, everyone here is pretty tired of this game but you and maybe insanity. I wpuld like to get the W now.

[bjc]

And again this is sort of why sala replaced out. I miss you sala, but the person that replaced you was like-minded so I'm doing okay.

[bjc]

It might be time to lynch doctor

It might be time to lynch doctor

Any reason other than me naming you in a post?

this is a fine example of a post that is making you look scummy in my eyes. just a statement, no reasoning.

this is an example of why you're scum.

vote: doctorrrr

Can you all stop dicking around? Lynch doc.

Voted after sala's self vote? Check.
Called one of elk and sala scum? Check, meaning elk is likely scum or he was bussing sala (note: INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY)
Hesitant/wishy-washy about me? Check.

Dude won't commit one way or the other on me. He keeps talking about how suspicious I am and won't bote. Don't ruin this game by sperging out on each other, just vote him and move on. We do not need 2 weeks of discussion per day.

I don't care for meta. This guy is scum. I said not to dick around.

Reinoe it looks like it's me and you. I know town reinoe, wanna vote scum?

why would any of this be necessary or logical if I were scum with Doc? Are you seruous!? Game long npbus? Lol, with this town I wouldn't need to bus.

vote: bjc

RVS over.

Self-voting spreads confusion, spreading confusion hurts the town, so scum are more likely to do it.

VOTE: bjc

So if you haven't played with me in a previous game, you now know that I tend to do some reaction-baiting early in the game. I don't always pursue it, but it generally gives us a good starting point and allows us to zoom on out of RVS. This post alone wasn't really that bad, but I felt there was potential behind it. So I followed it with a semi-serious post:

Spreads confusion? Lol okay there buddy.

vote: theelkspeaks

Scum found erryone. JOIN

In response:

In every game I've ever seen a self-vote in (admittedly not many) the discussion of it occupies several pages of the first day, generates relatively little useful content, and puts the town behind. It's an antitown play at best, and since scum benefit from antitown plays and we're still in a stage with little enough content to go by for much of a better vote, an antitown play is the scummiest thing that's happened so far.

Uh, okay. To me this sounds like an over-justification of something so meaningless in a rather meaningless portion of the game.

Self-voting in RVS means nothing.

Theel's overreacting over it reads town for me

Why I didn't like Sala at first.

VOTE: U SUX

Cannibals cannot be trusted.

I don't like it when players completely ignore the current focal point of the game.

Self votes are a way to confuse town, but usually end up as null. Especially in RVS. I'm not paying much attention to it.

How convenient, they end up as null. He's not paying much attention to it. So he's paying attention but he's not, and therefore doesn't have to offer much of an opinion. He doesn't have to speak, therefore he can't out himself as scum. On its own I didn't think much because I was wrapped up in elk/sala.

If Salamence is scum, he might know correctly I'm town. On the other hand, he's likely calling me town based on my dislike of the self-vote, which is more a player tendency than an alignment tell. while I appreciate him knowing/claiming to know that I'm town, it's premature by far.

If elk is scum, and I can guarantee you he is, then Sala is 100% town. Elk is trying to appear reasonable here.

The interaction between Sala and Elk is very suspicious and I'm fairly certain one of them is scum.
Sala seems to most scummy right now.
There for:
VOTE: Salamence

THIS IS L-1

Like I just posted, he's saying that one of them is scum. For some reason, scum have this thing where they feel very comfortable leaving one of their buddies as a scum read or will even flat-out pursue a scum read that happens to be one of their buddies. Here's an example...

Now that means it's either Sala or Elk. If he was putting his buddy at L-1, he would have to be the dumbest scum member of all time and honestly, it's unfair to anyone to make that assumption. Instead it's much safer to throw his buddy Elk in there, because while Elk could be lynched, Elk isn't an immediate threat to be lynched. If he gets lynched, the hope is that Doctor gets some town points. If Sala gets lynched, and flips town, Doc can say "okay, now we know it's Elk."

Voting is the only weapon town has and I've been accused of not using it in a previous game. + L-1 is not a lynch.
IF there was a quickhammer it would be scum or definitely anti-town.

At this moment I'm happy with my vote on Sala for reasons stated by others.

Why are you talking about something like this when you could be commenting on actual players and their actions?

Also, "I'm happy with my vote" is so dumb. I hate when I see people use this. Unfortunately, both alignments use it but only one benefits.

I really don't like the vibe bjc is creating around himself.
Short posts/answers filled with sarcasm.
I don't know how he plays, could just be his style, but it makes me question his alignment.

Not willing to comment on anything hot at the moment and instead goes a safer route and highlights suspicion on a rather quiet (or seemingly quiet) player. No commitment either.

You could call me lazy. It does fit me in general.
I'm also not that good of a player (yet, maybe when I get the hang of it.) I tend to miss stuff and mostly play on gut. When someone makes a statement I agree with, I will sheep it (If that is the "technical" term.). It's the way I am trying to learn this game. See what other people are finding scummy and acting on it.

Nobody Special was in my very fist game as well, but I had to replace out. I kept following it a bit and NS was confusing as hell.
Also, if you read that last game again you can see I had all 3 of them as scum at one point or another.

If some say bjc is town. I will go with it, because I have a hard time reading that kind of play.

I will try to put in more effort, but it is a thing I'm working on. Reading someone and expressing it the "correct way" isn't something that comes natural to me. (the "vibe" reference for example)

I hate lazy players, I don't like this because it can go either way I suppose. I don't have much to comment on here as it could be scum awkward or new town awkward, and I'd rather not go into confbias territory.

Anyway, Doctor is most likely scum right now. Behind him, Insanity and maybe Shaded Melee. I don't like Melee's page 9 entry and posts.

vote: Doctor

the Doc dies today

And when he flips scum you can all follow me to elk.

Plenty more on doc, but yeah I'm totally scum with him. For fucks sake.

And yet everyone is going to waste our time dicking around with each other about the presence of VI/obv townies rather than go for scum until we lynch with hours 'til the deadline. DO NOT WANT

Oh look, f****** BC switches to Victor. Are you guys dense?

this proved to be right by the way.

Oh my lord. You give shaded a null read, as well as most other players, and Gabe me a town read while putting a vote on the easiest mislynch this game has to offer.

Way to make it obvious, lol.

Anyone wanting to prove their towniness can switch from Victor to shaded.

Regardless of shaded's flip we go with doctor tomorrow. If Victor flipped scum, then we still would go for doctor.

More on doctor. Hmmmm.

If I wanted an easy lynch I would have put Shaded on L-1...

reinoe, I don't appreciate that tone, or did you get drainbamage all of a sudden?

Yeah why didn't you do that? You would've earned town points for lynching your buddy.

more..

This Victor wagon is quite a joke btw. Why is it still a thing?

Too many players being quiet btw.

Victor getting lynched still makes me mad. I warned ye all. But Titus has to look for transparency, aggression, and whatnot! Titus must prove she's right and is better than us all by leading mislynches on obvious lynchbait town while ignoring what other have to say! Why? Who the fuck knows!

/rant

There was plenty of more to show.. But I'm getting bored.

[bjc]

Is this love is this love is this love that I'm feeling?

[bjc]

Bob Marley keeps finding his way onto my playlists.

[bjc]

That was different. In that game I didn't really participate until lylo. So I just waited for someone to be out to l-1 and fired away!

[bjc]

Derp

[bjc]

Scum lost the game. That is an absolutely terrible (awesome) kill.

[bjc]

vote: chevlon

[bjc]

Guys

[bjc]

This flight is scary as fuck! Thought we were going to roll over after takeoff. Nearly panicked.

Who wants to end this game with a W? !e!

[bjc]

You made a pretty bad mistake killing her. She was the one chance you had at winning. But props to you to replacing into such a sorry slot.

[bjc]

lolz

[bjc]

I was hoping he'd self-hammer.

[bjc]

He only survived for so long because of other players. How !any people said they'd be okay with lynching doc or that he was a good lynch only to look elsewhere and/or get on the shittiest wagon of all time in elk?

Yes, I hammered a town read. I'm absolutely willing to do so to move a game along when people are being slow/dumb. Still won.

That and the Victor wagon were the worst I've seen. Y'all done let the mafia manipulate ur asses.

[bjc]

Titus bruh you need to get off your almighty high horse so you can actually hear me and the other mafia weaklings.

When someone sits at L-1 for a while I get tempted to hammer them unless they're super-town.. and if they were they would probably not be at L-1 in the first place.

I hammered because I was tired. Want to know why Sal replaced out?

[bjc]

I also don't see how it helps my scum meta. I don't care if it's anti-town, I can only handle so much idiocy/crap/manipulation before getting tired and giving in. You guys also made me want to hammer Vic, lol. Glad I didn't.

The lesson here is that not every game has to be run Titus' way and that you can maybe help the town by listening/sheeping/(gasp!) agreeing every once in a while. I still don't see why no one could take the hints when Doc failed to get lynched and elk was lynched instead. Herp.