Open 567 - Pick Your POWERRRR!!! - Abandoned

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I'm surprised anyone, ESPECIALLY Siv, chose 4. (See last game I played of this).

RVS btw. Also I never get to use dice tags for anything

pedit scum have draft phase chat, yes. Wiki says so.

Yeah if I wanted to go high I'd have picked something like 17 because there's usually a lot more groupings and the highest unique pick usually gets like the 4th/5th spot.

But I wanted to be low on the draft for fun. (Also yeah, EVERY SINGLE GAME of this has 3+ people pick 4.)

I think using dice tags is actually against site rules.

Wait, citrus got replaced by gameplay... I'm gonna call picking a number that monstrous town for now. That said his reasoning for stuff sucks so I can't follow him.

Anatole – 8
Salamence20 – 9
Venrob – 10

I like these numbers.
Ok here is what I think. 2 scum here. The numbers seem just too odd to be picked like that.
But if Toby flips scum, scum could have also tried to WIFOM.
Two directions to go. Two options. Going with the first one for now.

Like, there's these numbers...

Venrob – 10
Hershey Kiss – 12
Aneninen – 14
Armageddon – 16

But there's also these. There's even a 2-3-4 connection. This is probably coincidence.

I believe in no doubles, but it doesn't quite apply to me b/c I know of it. That said, since it'll be painfully obvious to everyone that I know this setup fairly well I wouldn't try that wifom battle as scum.

VOTE: salamence20

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I think using dice tags is actually against site rules.

Dice tags are a mod for phpbb. I doubt they'd add it and rule against it.

Using provable randomness in game IS a thing, and dice tags are provable randomness.

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Hershey, or the person picking 4 wants to get really low on the draft.

Hmm, votes could do with a bit of clumping.

VOTE: venrob

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Toby, I picked 4 because I didn't think of the big game picture and I wanted to see if I could get a role from the bottom. I assumed the role selection would be as predictable as number selection... yeah, just b/c I thought about it, doesn't mean I thought about it well.

I voted sala b/c I have an rvs town-read on gameplay mostly b/c of the insane number pick and sala voted gameplay.

I think that scum, in picking numbers, would try and pick for as high in the draft as possible - by themselves. How you think you can get as high as possible is something that really doesn't depend on your alignment. All this number speculation about "hey scum would pick this number! Or maybe this combination!" is pretty much a waste of time b/c in my experience scum just come into the thread saying "hey I'm picking 8" if they say anything at all. Draft picks are maybe more co-ordinated. And this is basically what anatole's pointing to in 73. *shrug* His reasoning's probably the best atm.

VOTE: aafter

Actually I find it really funny that someone's picked up the "Omg siv made a super suspicious post" already.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay, time for some slightly wifomy stuff.

Regardless of my alignment, deliberately sabotaging my draft hurts my faction. I'm a lot more concerned with my faction as scum b/c it's a lot more obvious to me.

Gameplay, just b/c someone does something town shouldn't do doesn't mean they're scum (they probably shouldn't do it as scum either) - it probably means they've failed to realize what town should do. Also, if they do stuff town should do they could be good scum. Those tells suck. We can't all be scum.

Also, I claim idiot. Not only have I done a stupid and gambitty draft pick strategy, I then blew the gambit apart in like my first post.

Also

Why would anyone have picked a number just to help others to get PRs when they could have tried to get a PR themselves?

Yeah. I find it peculiar as to why someone

who has played almost every instance of this set-up

would try to bottom out on the draft.

The bold is why. I've done this set-up quite a bit and I still like it and I just wanted to try something weird on this run.

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Anatole is correct. Trying to work out who are scum off what numbers got picked is like trying to work out who is scum off the first vote by everyone. It's sortof relevant but you won't get anything in all the noise town generates.

Maybe scum co-ordinated their number picks. Maybe they didn't. Maybe they went for deliberate spacing. Maybe they went for a clump. Maybe they picked high. Maybe they picked low. Regardless, we don't have any idea what their reasoning was, and prolonged discussion of it is silly. The only thing we can say with any surety is that scum picked a number. Probably.

Like, toby brings up past games I've been scum in - in one the scum pregame chat was "lets pick 1-2-3, I'm 1" "Okay, I'm 3" "Um, I picked 7"

Aneninen, I have no idea how to pronounce my name either. Just try whatever you like. "Siv" works.

My case against venrob was "people are voting venrob."

And don't give out the role preferences of past games. It's interesting but far more useful to scum than town. (That said, there is a game that got rebooted on like page 2 after draft (gj venrob!) so it may be a bit distorted.)

I'm calling myself an idiot b/c I seem to have a knack for not only getting suspicion (like toby has) but taking it all the way to a lynch. At least, I think so. And I can't scumhunt for crap.

Flubbernugget, there are alignment tells that work, it's just gameplay looks set to treat pro-town and anti-town as town and scum.

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VOTE: elmo

Gameplay sucks so you lurk? Riiiight

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Oh, and aneninen, I kinda figured that 7 people with an average of one vote each was silly so I decided to sheep the biggest wagon which was venrob.

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???

I've a fairly perfect opportunity to sheep aneninen or toby. For the rest of the day. That's what I'd have done, but like, #180 is an excuse to lurk and I think that sort of thing is scum-lurk.

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Okaaay. SO the way elmo's reacting isn't scum-lurk in any way

UNVOTE: elmo

Aneninen and toby look like you know what you're doing. And toby has been pretty town. And I don't know what the hell I'm doing tbh. And I have literally no read on sala... ummm, bsed read coming up.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Screw that there's no read to be had yet.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Cloud Nine is salamence, right?

Gameplay posting so many posts in a row with so little cntent in each individual one is really horrible for thread clutter.

And I suddenly find I can excuse elmo for wanting to lurk... Welp.

Also, aneninen, I like your style. It's a great pity your style has next to nothing to do with your alignment D:

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What the hell is this she/he business?

Also, gameplay, recent posts and logic in them makes you think I'm town, yet the actual content of my last few posts - "why i voted venrob, why i unvoted elmo" don't sit well with you?

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VOTE COUNT 1.2

Salamence - Gameplay. Hephaestus
Hershey - ZZZX, TobyLoby
Gameplay - Aneninen, Salamence,
Hephaestus - Hershey
Venrob - Aafter
ZZZX - Flubber
Aneninen - Elmo

Elmo
Armageddon
Aafter
TobyLoby
Saki
Siv
Flubber

Not Voting :

Venrob. Siv, Armageddon, Saki, Siv

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-08-27 00:01:00)

With 14 players it takes 8 to lynch

!

*about the she/he thing, I'm an it!

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Oh, right.

I misinterpreted what you said and that was always about hersh.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Aneninen, what you're pointing out is that gameplay doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

I mean, it's kinda lynchable, but not b/c it's scummy.

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By lynchable I mean a good lynch for town, not easy. We really don't want gameplay in lylo and it's unlikely scum takes him out.

Also, he's 9th on draft so probably doesn't have a PR.

Beyond that? Nah. He has about a 20% chance of being scum just off randomosity. I don't think any of the things you're calling him scum for aren't likely just his VIness. Like, gameplay's hershey read is probably as hershey stepped up his contributions recently, and he had a fair point on hershey initially.

There will probably come something that implicates him as town or scum later, though, and we did get two replacements, so really not inclined to go with a gameplay lynch...

Wait, sala's probably a vig. Yeah, that whole situation should take care of itself.

Pedit: Guys, let's not bring this up too much, okay?

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Gameplay, I think not all of your posts are fluff, but it's annoying seeing you post one sentence, then two minutes later post another one, then another.

And yeah, it's pointless to convince anyone that gameplay's a VI. Either you see it, or you're not going to.

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I don't mean VI in a toxic manner. I'm pretty sure I'm a VI.

About actual content, yeaaah... I kinda agree with sala's townread on elmo and would have a slight town read on sala for that. Beyond that meh.

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I don't have any scumreads jumping out at me.

I'd need to properly take a look which I can't really do right now, Kinda lost track of whats going on.

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@ everyone expecting me to get reads. I'm pretty much a VI. Forming proper reads is agonizingly slow for me, and often a matter of me making them up in the post where I share them as I do have a tendency to overfocus on whatever I was thinking about in the previous post.

So yeah.

Elmo: Probably town. He'd probably be a lot lurkier as scum. Posting "this is why I'm lurking" and then NOT LURKING isn't a scum thing to do.
Toby+ Aneninen: Leaning town for now. They're scumhunting, and it seems pretty genuine.
Sala: Vague townread, mostly for the elmo townread. It's a bit weird to do as scum.
ZZZX: Kinda town, b/c of anatole's "gameplay is a total VI ... hmm, that's a good point, gameplay."
Hershey: Idk, kinda town? His way of scumhunting looks good, but idk if that means town for sure.

Gameplay: Null. Yup. I don't have a clue how to read that.
Saki + Armageddon + Aafter: Just null due to lack of posts.
Flubber + Hephaestus + Venrob: Don't know off their posts (mostly due to braindeadedness by the time i got to them)

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Well bugger. Regfan hasn't misread me as town before lol. Probably my fault, b/c I've sucked so far lol.

Yeah I ignored the thingy from #266 in the read. And yeah your problem with that IS exactly what I was thinking about that. Yeaah...

The 4 theory does kinda work, I guess. I've always thought it'd be pointless to do that b/c I play this setup so much and everyone knows I do. It'd be entering a wifom battle which is something I avoid consciously doing as scum, especially when there's a much simpler path. *shrug* The reason scum-siv picks 4 is b/c it's what town-siv would do.

^ That above line of reasoning is crap. Welp. This sucks. *shrug* Anyway, time to sheep regfan.

VOTE: flubbernugget

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Idk

Whatever felt like a thingy to go off.

After a while I put everyone I hadn't put in already in a list from the OP and did them in order then.

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Why is me being confused town confusion and not scum faking total confusion?

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God that above post is literally posted just to try make regfan townread me... wtf am I supposed to do?

This is why I'm so self-aware of how people will read me. I have NO clue what to do once someone scumreads me so I try my hardest to make sure that doesn't happen.

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I don't KNOW. I don't know how to get scumreads. Everyone I look at is either town or null due to lack of posts. I'm probably overdoing the townreads, but I don't know which would be wrong.

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Uh, yeah.

I kinda think heph is town, b/c of his doggedness on pursuing sala's claim.

I can't really read flubber uniquely here. I'm pretty much going with reg's read.

And reading venrob now is silly. Reading regfan comes out with hey he's posting really good stuff he's probably town but yeah even if he's scum lynching him early is utter silliness.

And the impression of gameplay was VI. That doesn't lend itself well to an alignment read. I was planning to wait and see if anything later gave a proper read (or just have sala vig him), but yeah.

And gameplay, if I'm town my play will change in later days.

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Regfan, about 2) I speak with a lot of hypotheticals. You have no knowledge of my alignment so I phrase the stuff like that. Also, it's basically a promise of me to get good reads (with probably a lot more clarity) later. If I don't follow up on that I DO deserve to be lynched tbh.

1 is... uh, although people pushed heph he stayed really focused on sala's claim and the way he did it just kinda reads town. It's just, idk, the pressure he got from pushing didn't stop his push at all.

About posts is particular, Idk, 207 kinda says stuff.

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Crap... what I was thinking I do is actually me referring to town-siv or scum-siv. Don't think I've done it with "If I'm town" phrasing before.

(also oh god I do NOT want to look at me a year ago any more. I don't have any more recent games that I can actually use though, unfortunately.)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5203750 (please don't look at the rest that was a horrible game from siv)

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Dammit why'd regfan have to claim... I'd really rather you'd stayed silent on this...

I don't think anyone who tried for backup/rolecop after regfan should claim. There is literally no point.

Jailkeeper is really popular, but if scum has it they're probably gonna be using it like a roleblocker, so it'll be pretty apparent when they claim it later.

(also if there IS a tracker they should have an obvious target tonight. Tonight though, not today.)

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I agree with and got everything but (2) which I dispute as we don't need to confirm reg's claim yet.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

You don't need to full-claim. You need to claim whether you are a backup/rolecop or not. Regfan's first post of page 18 gives why.

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Okay guess I go with this one.

VOTE: zzzx

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Did you find me anywhere saying I think rolecop is a stupid role for scum to pick?

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Uh, reg, you made some comment on anatole having some scummy stuff and is that still in your head? Or was it just this role shenanigans?

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Yay night!

(I really don't know what to be posting right now tbh)

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Are you a vig?

If yes, did you try shoot anyone last night?

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Elmo – 3
ZZZX – 8
ZMuffinman9 – 9
Regfan – 10
Hershey Kiss – 12
Aneninen – 14
UctTriton – 16
Aafter - 42
Gameplay – 3463832
Tobyloby – 2
Saki – 2
Siv – 4
Flubber – 4
Hephaestus – 4

Okay this is a slightly updated draft list b/c the old one bugged me.

Pedit: Ew mod. Replaced players should really get night actions tbh.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay.

Based off the nightkill

VOTE: saki

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My vote for saki is PoE, the toby kill adds to that PoE.

I don't think the kill was a PR search at all, so yeah.

Elmo, I'm not obvtown yet lol.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay, so I was thinking beforehand and this is roughly what my thoughts were.

"I think I probably used the nk wifom to excuse a gutread on flubber.

Actually, it's kinda weird that everyone would be lurking on the scumteam.

Yeah, that's actually 3 scum in like 4 players... That's too easy... I really need to re-evaluate...

But this doesn't mean saki is a bad vote."

I probably had more but I forget.

Saki, depriving scum of the role still means you can pick backup. There also aren't many claims to test - by the time massclaim happens there's no more nights. And also, "this pair has an obv-town pick and a obv-scum pick, but that pair doesn't." Tbh, I'd probably actually have been less suspicious of him had anatole claimed it, or had zzzx not replaced in.

It's also kindof annoying that zzzx flipped town b/c I wouldn't ever agree with going for rolecop because it's way too slow.

Eh w/e lets stay with the regfan sheepaging.

...

Wait a second, in looking over regfan's reasoning on everyone I'm reminded I had something kinda icky on flubber. His reads list leaves him so much wiggle room on all his reads... idk, maybe it's the whole "I'm inactive so lets make a readlist."

Eurgh idk who to vote.

UNVOTE: everyone

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Taking rolecop as #2 as scum doesn't even FIT optimal scum play
You'd rather take 1-shot redirector to make sure there isn't a town Cop
or roleblocker to make sure there's not a doctor
or NEIGHBORIZER because scum neighborizers are hilariously strong EVEN in an open setup where scum neighborizer is possible
or jailkeeper to prevent trackers/lock down a claimed town pr
or even one of the killing roles over rolecop because there's just so many stronger picks than standard scum rolecop

AND if rolecop pick is scum-motivated because scum play logically, then it's ALSO logical that scum would never actually claim rolecop
WHAT KIND OF SCUM ROLECOP WOULD CLAIM ROLECOP OVER UB WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THE ROLE UB IS POSSIBLE BUT DOESN'T EXIST?
"scum generally don't actually fake claim in this"
SCUM FAKECLAIM 100% ABOUT BEING FUCKING ROLECOP

The answer to these is that scum don't play logically.

Saki, depriving scum of the role still means you can pick backup. There also aren't many claims to test - by the time massclaim happens there's no more nights. And also, "this pair has an obv-town pick and a obv-scum pick, but that pair doesn't." Tbh, I'd probably actually have been less suspicious of him had anatole claimed it, or had zzzx not replaced in.

Why would you be any less suspicious of Anatole over ZZZX if you used the logic "rolecop=scum" to lynch ZZZX
There is no gray area in "rolecop=scum"
There was no gray area about your intentions behind your vote
Why are you saying that there is, now?

[quote="In post 658It's also kindof annoying that zzzx flipped town b/c I wouldn't ever agree with going for rolecop because it's way too slow.

define 'slow'[/quote]

I'd have been less suspicious because of your question - why do scum claim rolecop? I'd assumed scum-zzzx just didn't understand the setup so claimed his actual role instead of fakeclaiming. If there was no replacement he'd have to have some sort of understanding of the setup just to pick a role.

Slow is just slow - by what I mean in the case of scum rolecop - it needs to hit a pr, then you need to shoot the pr the next night to actually deal with them. Jailkeeper or roleblocker just stop a pr right away.

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Okay, so I was thinking beforehand and this is roughly what my thoughts were. I think I probably used the nk wifom to excuse a gutread on flubber. Actually, it's kinda weird that everyone would be lurking on the scumteam. Yeah, that's actually 3 scum in like 4 players... That's too easy... I really need to re-evaluate... But this doesn't mean saki is a bad vote."

I'm not following this at all, walk me through it again, what I'm getting from it is that you wanted to make up reasons for your vote (Why? What's the point of doing that) and that the person you were planning on doing it on was Flubber (So why did you not go ahead and do that on him, why Saki?).

That's a townread on flubber. Not a scumread. And I'm not even sure of it anymore. Idk.

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VOTE COUNT 2.1

Regfan - Saki
Hephaestus - Flubber
Saki - Gameplay
Gameplay506 - Elmo

Aneninen
zMuffinMan
Siveure DtTrikyp
Hershey Kiss
Elmo TeH AzN
Flubbernugget
uctriton00
Aafter

Not Voting :

Aafter, uctriton00, Hershey, Siv, zMuffinMan, Aneninen, Hephaestus, Regan


Wait elmo, why regfan?

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Right now I have way too many of my own small scumreads.

Screw that. I think reg knows what he's doing. And yeah, that is probably the most suspicious lurk.

VOTE: hephaestus

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I don't believe flubber + heph are both scum.

I don't believe sala is scum - everything he had in reaction to the zzzx situation is incredibly consistent. He went with the wagon because reg forced him to, then he decided that he just didn't like it and left. He's got lots of badlogic, but that doesn't make him scum.

Btw reg, can you explain the elmo read? I'm a little jittery on him.

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Please, please, please, lets not go back to the toxicity of yesterday.

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Uh.

If I was scum I'd have shot regfan, assuming I had control of the kill. I don't fear power roles as scum in this setup. At least, not as much as good townies.

I also really doubt flubber/heph are scum together because they're both 4s... um.

Pedit after internet dying: You should 100% vig a lurker slot tonight.

Mod, the replacements are 100% aware they are replacing in, right?

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Reg was the most pro-town.
Toby was the most obv-town of the pro-town people.

There's a slight difference. Also any doctors would almost certainly have been on regfan - town jailkeeper had a brilliant target with reg.

I was going with kill all lurkers at the start of the day because all the non-lurkers were kinda townish.

Gameplay, say you assign points to someone based on how town they are - with 50 being null (or lurker), 100 conftown and 0 confscum. If everyone in the game but the lurkers reads town, then the average will be greater than 50 making the lurkers scummy in comparison, despite the fact they're completely null.

Gameplay going for a useless pair of roles is okay. The fallacy of "any role is better than none, so lets pick the most USELESS role" happens a lot to people low on the draft, as both alignments. I wouldn't have dared picking 4 if it didn't.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Huh, I could maaybe see regfan scum.

I still think hephaestus is a better lynch.

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Also I apologise for the lurkages.

I don't really know what to be doing.

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Okay.

What's your read on me? And how did you miss me?

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UNVOTE: hephaestus

I need to mentally sort stuff out.

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"I expected this person to die, but b/c they didn't this OTHER person is town, so because my main scumread is dissipating I'll just vote a random lurker."

^ That is basically my reasoning on saki vote.

I think me being jittery on elmo is just paranoia.

I think voting regfan because he used role logic to lynch zzzx is stupid. I'm not saying he didn't do it as scum, or that his play says town fully, but assuming what he did is so terrible it makes no sense as town so he MUST be scum, regardless of the rest of his play... Does this look familiar to any of you? Seriously, think this through a bit more. At least come up with some reason not based on him lynching zzzx that regfan would be scum. Eight people thought that reasoning was good enough. They can't ALL be scum.

I think hephaestus's wagon all but disbanding is a little weird...

Oshi. I've just gone and confused myself. I have really BS reasoning for why anen/heph could be part of the scumteam and now it's kinda throwing me off that ucttriton has that as his scumteam for legitimate reasons. Uh. Yeah...

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The BS reasoning is incredibly BS. It was basically a joke. I didn't expect there to be any chance of it having validity, and that uct agrees with the conclusion kinda threw me off.

By legitimate, I mean reasons he believes. Doesn't mean I believe them.

Also decided that regfan sheepaging is totally a good thing to continue with

VOTE: hephaestus

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(1) Okay, but Saki is officially on V/LA as far as I can remember. Your vote is pointless.
(2) I agree. Where were these paranoid thoughts on Day1?
(3) That's a good point. Many of us agreed with that logic, I mean, choosing an obviously scum-benefit PR means that the slot is most likely scum.
(4) It's not weird. After a long stall the players has become active again. It's no surprise that we eventually getting more reads on each other. Scumreads too.

1) You do remember when the saki vote happened, right?
2) Are you seriously expecting me to control paranoia?
4) Eh. Yeah.

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Does gameplay's behaviour make sense as scum?

If not, then why are you assuming weird random deviation from the norm is scum only?

Also guys I'm being a total lurksack

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Heph, just because all we see is gameplay being a total VI doesn't mean there's more to read for other players.

Do you have any tells that aren't based on anti-town behaviour?

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Uctriton buddying up to gameplay so obviously is really weird. Like, he's buddying sure, but why gameplay????

Anyway feeling really off about the hephaestus wagon right now.

UNVOTE: hephaestus

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Yeah let's go with this

VOTE: gameplay

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I'm voting you because I DON'T want to compromise on a mislynch.

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Uct, two things

My hepha read doesn't really say scum.
More importantly, the game stalled with him being the biggest wagon... As things are, it's likely we all lurk into being forced to heph deadline-lynch. The thing is, if he were scum I don't think his buddies would leave things like this. At the least they'd probably push the wagon b/c bussing. There's definitely been no move by anyone to make sure heph doesn't die. Not even by heph.

Also LOL that reasoning can't apply to anyone else

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Well the other big reason is because I felt like I had to do SOMETHING to get this game going again.

Utter failure. So far.

Please, let's not be voting useless people.

I don't think uct is a great lynch. Can you guys either push that to get it to a good lynch or get off it? Soon?

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If we lynch aafter or gameplay it's 7/10 votes needed, but yeah.

Eurgh. I really don't want to vote heph...

Anen, it's too frakking late NOW to be all like "oh noo we shouldn't lynch heph"

Hrmm.

I DO hope everyone didn't all go with gameplay's idea come draft selection.

VOTE: hephaestus

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Hammahtime

VOTE: hephaestus

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay.

I was the doctor. So yeah, that awkwardness about my number choice was me trying to hide that I just KNEW nobody ever picks doctor. (Also screw protecting prs I was gonna do regfan again).

Also my theory on why zzzx claims rolecop even as scum falls apart if it's anatole doing it.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Dammit why'd regfan have to claim... I'd really rather you'd stayed silent on this...

Yay breadcrumbs!

Pedit: Nope, was protecting regfan again

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I mean, I didn't know what pr elmo had, and there's been cases where #1 in the draft is scum or picks a PR you shouldn't protect as town. And protecting elmo to keep elmo in the game? Lol.

Also toby died. As #10 in the draft. That's not pr hunting.