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OK, I've done quite a bit of reading. It doesn't feel the same as it would in real time, so I don't trust it as much. It's also very instructive to see if / how other players change their interaction with a slot when a new player comes in. So I won't go on a big quoting binge right now, just some preliminary reads based on the gestalt.
First off, don't want to let my predecessor's vote sit there, whatever it might be. If I think it's valid I can always put it back.
UNVOTE:
The way Mala explains her early game methodology seems genuine. It's the type of thing that would be hard to lie about. However it's also an easy out for scum, so this is not necessarily alignment indicative. I'd approach reading this type of player by seeing if her meta reads seem to match up with the content itself. Null for now, I think.
I don't trust myself to read BBT without some VCA to back it up. And then maybe not even then. His play style so far matches the other game we've been in together, and I had a hard time reading him there. Firm null till I can see some additional interaction.
Scripten was also in that same game. I totally read him wrong, but in hindsight it was more about not looking closely enough than being fooled per se. His questions and answers have seemed fairly reasonable. Very mild town read so far, but keeping my eye on him.
MS's play style in the early game would bug me to no end. Thank goodness I wasn't here to respond to it in real time. I'll reserve judgment on the read.
I got a weak scum on Shinobi, but it wasn't due to the interaction with BBT. As I said at the beginning of this post, it's really just the totality of the thread to date.-
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In post 481, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:While you're here, what are your current reads?
I have seen this question before, and it makes me nervous.-
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In post 483, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 482, davesaz wrote:In post 481, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:While you're here, what are your current reads?
I have seen this question before, and it makes me nervous.
Don't be nervous. Engage.
I was going to post again right after, it makes me nervous coming from you specifically. But apparently you're camped on the thread since it took me only about 15 seconds to write the followon post which was going to go here.-
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In post 480, hephaestus wrote:you made a funny
What's funny (strange) is that the only thing you seem to post is funnies and comments on funnies. If you're going to replace in, at least you could play the actual game you replace into. You could be indifferent about a VT role, or you could be scum feigning indifference to a VT role. Keep it up and we might need to lynch you, if only to rule out the 2nd possibility.-
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In post 466, Shinobi wrote:Npau, why is it that you think it's bad that Mala doesn't have a serious vote down but you've completely ignored the fact that I haven't either?
I saw this back and forth, and figure it's based on the concept that some of the players in the game know each other.
I on the other hand do not know you, and would like to know when you're planning to leave the shadows. Surely you must have some kind of opinion, so what is it?-
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In post 448, nopointinactingup wrote:In post 443, Josh_B wrote:NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
Goodmorning
BBT
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Goodmorning again
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On top of that, they are nearly all without player engagement.
I'm still not sure what the Huntress vote was for. Can you explain?
I don't see a problem with vote changes, especially in the beginning of the game, when you are trying to figure out who is scum among the many.
My vote on Huntress was a gut thing. I felt like she was mainly cruising through the game being neutral. She had no vote so I voted her to see how she would respond. She didn't really respond but I was back at arguing with BBT before I could follow up on it
To reiterate the question, what good does a vote do if there is no player engagement to go with it? I've seen town use a vote plus commentary and interaction and move on if the interaction is satisfactory, but you feel more like scum tossing votes to see if a wagon can magically appear. That technique gives scum an out of "but I didn't start that wagon, clearly my vote wasn't serious." Or a chance to move off once it gains traction, hiding the scum distancing in a vote hopping pattern.-
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In post 493, Malakittens wrote:In post 485, davesaz wrote:In post 480, hephaestus wrote:you made a funny
What's funny (strange) is that the only thing you seem to post is funnies and comments on funnies. If you're going to replace in, at least you could play the actual game you replace into. You could be indifferent about a VT role, or you could be scum feigning indifference to a VT role. Keep it up and we might need to lynch you, if only to rule out the 2nd possibility.
*ping*
I really hate this post.
It feels like you are fishing a reaction on this one.
Like why can't he be a mason with less interest in the game. Why assume he's a VT?
No, I'm not trying to get a mason reaction. TBH the sites where I've played before almost never used that role and therefore I'm not used to thinking about it.
Soft playing/active lurking a role (any type be it mason, cop, doc) can be a useful tactic, but it's still necessary to not carry soft play/active lurk too far. Because the same observation holds, it's hard to distinguish that from scum. Therefore, I'd still like to see some activity.-
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In post 499, Huntress wrote:
@ davesaz:Hi! Why did you comment on 466 before NPAU had had a chance to answer it?
Because I saw something questionable and wanted to investigate it in the flow vs. trying to remember to investigate it later.-
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I noticed a little something about Scripten's push on NPAU.
In post 378, Scripten wrote:In post 376, Josh_B wrote:
On another note. I like zebulin's recent explanation. Can we vote Peabody now?
VOTE: peabody
I wouldn't mind a Peabody lynch. He's a little scummy, but right now I'd like to see a good NPAU wagon. His votes are all over the place, he's misrepping BBT something -hard- in (320). Also, (224) is terrible, but this takes the cake:
Define soft defend. Why would scum more likely to soft defend each other and not just outright defend or outright distance each other?
Might do a short meta checkup, but that's ringing scum to me.
VOTE: nopointinactingup
Alright. That's a fair enough point for the moment. Why are you pushing a lynch on goodmorning again? What makes a scum GM opposed to a town GM to you? Gimme something good.
In post 455, Scripten wrote:In post 454, hephaestus wrote:In post 450, Metal Sonic wrote:Npau has suddenly become a scum read based on 439.
And he is easier to kill than goodmorning
vote npau
Just as I was getting confident you're town
I agree that 450 is pretty scummy. Why don't you explain why? I wanna know if our reasons coincide.
This last one is a bit long, so I trimmed it down to the NPAU comment itself. The rest of the post is about other things.
In post 505, Scripten wrote:
In case you're wondering, BBT, MS still looks pretty scummy to me. It's Zeb's slot that changed. I still want to see NPAU lynched. He looks like the most likely scum, IMO.
In all that time, these are the only posts I could find where Scripten is on the NPAU case. I don't really have anything against the case, and have no great desire to see a big tunnel, but why so little followup? Trying to figure out if this is meant to be a real case or not.-
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In post 539, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 532, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:MS - Are you still town-reading Mala?
In post 533, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:And scum-reading GM?
yes and yes. I have static reads. Unless a player has made something that definitively makes me want to reconsider their alignment, they will remain static in my readslist.
So this method is flawed in that there might be scum in my townpile. But it has a 100% rate of catching scum correctly so you're gonna have to trust me on that one
>hence goodmorning should die but *shrugs* she is skilled <
Isn't the 100% rate of catching scum bit a little brash? Don't see how this can be correct if there are scum in the town pile, unless you're trying to claim you never put town in the scum pile.-
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In post 546, uctriton00 wrote:davesaz, question still out there for you: what is your experience level with Mafia? I need to ask you a few things, depending on this.
This is easy to answer with regard to quantity -- dozens of games. 2 complete games on this site.
In terms of quality it's a little trickier because I don't have a strong read on whether that would make me very experienced here or just average.
There are also significant differences, in particular a wider variety of roles used here, and very long deadline times (2 weeks with an immediate hammer on majority) compared to what I'm used to (1-2 days and highest vote total lynched whether it's a majority or not, no quick hammers). I'm also used to games with unlimited private communication, which makes a huge difference in how you playallroles, even VT. The adjustment is almost complete.-
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In post 581, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 541, davesaz wrote:In post 539, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 532, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:MS - Are you still town-reading Mala?
In post 533, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:And scum-reading GM?
yes and yes. I have static reads. Unless a player has made something that definitively makes me want to reconsider their alignment, they will remain static in my readslist.
So this method is flawed in that there might be scum in my townpile. But it has a 100% rate of catching scum correctly so you're gonna have to trust me on that one
>hence goodmorning should die but *shrugs* she is skilled <
Isn't the 100% rate of catching scum bit a little brash? Don't see how this can be correct if there are scum in the town pile, unless you're trying to claim you never put town in the scum pile.
Yeah the latter
Are you seriously trying to say that if I do a "find posts by user" with votes, and look at the corresponding flips, that you'venevervoted someone who flipped town?
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If I really wanted to press this, I'd ask how often you vote people without having a scum read on them.
Pushed and lynched is a higher bar. At least saying the people you push a lynch for are usually scum is almost believable. Statistically very unlikely to be "always", but I don't think going the crazed statistician OCD route on you is profitable.-
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In post 577, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I happen to agree.
She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.
I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.
VOTE: GM
So just to clarify, you're totally sheeping here?-
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In post 593, davesaz wrote:In post 577, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I happen to agree.
She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.
I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.
VOTE: GM
So just to clarify, you're totally sheeping here?
I take that back, this does look like a reason. Maybe not an especially good one, but it's something.
Goodmorning, we need some activity. I'm not as picky about it being a reads list, but something useful would be nice.-
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Spoiler: BBT's requests for reads
In post 569, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 567, Malakittens wrote:
Because it's considered filler and hypocritical because you aren't giving a readslist yourself, but asking others for it.
How is it filler? I want to see people's thoughts/reads.
Nobody has asked me for a reads-list.
So BBT, how about that reads list? You seem so obsessed about what everyone else thinks, but seem to be dispensing your own ideas with a dropper.-
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In post 526, Peabody wrote:VOTE: Hestephus
Your vote on NPAU looks opportunistic. Especially since only half of those voting him have any reasoning (Scripten, MS) although both cases are vague.And especially since the only person you prodded as possible scum was MS.
Heph 511 wrote:Ok so the problem with this game is that it hasn't built momentum due to all the replacements. At this point I'd expect at least one solid wagon but instead there's a ton on vanity wagons that aren't going anywhere and I don't even know where to begin looking for scum.
Are you only looking for wagons?
This looks opportunistic as MS's 'NPAU is easier to lynch' line. Which you called out.
Long story short: NPAU -might- be scum. But the wagon on him is incredibly scummy. Hephaestus's vote looks most suspect of the four.
So I've been reviewing the people who aren't involved in the GM wagon in some way (either on it, or questioning those who are on it). You're in this category.
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In post 540, Scripten wrote:In post 521, nopointinactingup wrote:
OK. Anyways, I want Scripten and BBT to give a case on me. The others are sheeping/scum I think. TBH, I'm no fan of this game, but I'll try to respond to it the best I can
I'll do this as soon as I can. For the moment, I would suggest ISOing NPAU and getting context on the places where he votes to see why he looks suspect to me.
I'm trying to decide whether I should join this wagon or take a harder look at its perpetrators. Any chance you can post something enlightening to help me decide?-
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Confirming that NPAU is on the scum side of null for me.
Both observations on my 448 are correct, it's a statement of scumminess and scumhunting to do so. The (lack of) result does not look good for town NPAU.
I didn't expect BBT to be so obliging so quickly. This causes some reassessment (in the townward direction), though I also need to keep the principle in BBT's signature in mind.
pedit -- I'm very undecided on Huntress. I don't have experience of her previous games to work with and the behavior in this game doesn't really ping alignment in either direction.-
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In post 542, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Dave, in 473 you left out quite a few people from your reads-list. Was there a reason for this?
Have you developed a read on any of the players you left out or have any of your previous reads changed?
In post 545, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 544, davesaz wrote:@BBT: Time, and maybe. Need to go to work, more complete answer later.
In this upcoming complete answer, can you also tell me why you chose those people to post your reads on.
I don't think answering these will help much with the scum hunt, but I do believe in being polite and helpful so I'll answer anyway. I don't tend to do a complete spectrum read all at once. I start with people I know, ones who are posting a lot, and ones who are posting but not being useful. The ones I know because it's easier to start from the familiar, the ones who are posting a lot because they tend to either be scum or valuable town assets (before someone jumps to conclusions I mean good scum hunters, not power roles here), and the ones who are posting but not being useful because they're usually either scum flying under the radar or people who are disappointed to be VT.
The answer for whether reads are changed or not can best be found by looking at my subsequent posts.-
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In post 663, hephaestus wrote:
In post 657, goodmorning wrote: my scumread on hephaestus is mainly based on him being 100% useless.
You're a funny gal
That is a good contradiction you pointed out.
But this does not mitigate the fact you're not doing anything useful. Just these two lines are not enough to condemn gm, nor are they enough to clear you. You gave a couple of scum reads but gave no reasons for them. And that does not help us lynch anyone. I've been bothered by this all along, and have tried to be patient, but it's not looking good for you. There are a lot more reasons for scum to play this way than town.-
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In post 662, uctriton00 wrote:In post 660, Scripten wrote:Case on NPAU
Jumpy vote hopping (All of his votes so far have apparently been serious, as per (105)): (33) (105) (224) (320) (439)
Finds MS unlikely to be scum, (224) but, despite MS's playstyle not changing, he considers him scum by (521). Yet, he barely pushes at MS, which is a marked change from his other accusations. I also did not notice him voting MS. Considering how much his votes have jumped around, this is inconsistent, especially when he jumps onto GM in (634). After all, if he was changing his playstyle because it made him look scummy, he should have stopped vote-hopping by that time. (If he was town, stopping scummy behavior would have made sense. Even if it cast suspicion on him, it would ultimately make the game clearer for the town. Scum thrive in confusion.)
There's some scummy wording and opportunistic attacks in those posts, too.
I also find it interesting just how fast the NPAU wagon broke up and how fast the GM wagon grew at the same time. I'll go back and see where votes changed from one wagon to the other and check if my thoughts match up.
This is a good enough post to make Scripten town if NPAU was lynched and flipped scum today.
The way you say this indicates you'd have a different read if things turned out differently?
Does the post itself have any alignment indicator for you? I see things but would be interested to see if others agree.-
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In post 658, Josh_B wrote:Let's all lynch Hephestus. I feel pretty good about that right now.
Any update to this thought given his post for today? Any bets on when we can expect another?-
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In post 652, Shinobi wrote:This game gets my fullest attention tomorrow.
Why did NPAU put GM to L-1? His vote moves around so much for such faulty reasons. Ugh.
Yeah, there is that and there is also how the wagon rolled back.
In post 653, Peabody wrote:Oh geez. I'm way behind. Ummmmmm, sorry to keep doing this. I'll try to keep up with the thread more.
Sooo, I'll post tomorrow.
Looking forward to it. I was seeing interesting stuff from you and then it stopped before there was enough to make a decision.-
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In post 670, Huntress wrote:In post 510, davesaz wrote:
Because I saw something questionable and wanted to investigate it in the flow vs. trying to remember to investigate it later.In post 499, Huntress wrote:
@ davesaz:Hi! Why did you comment on 466 before NPAU had had a chance to answer it?
When I saw your post it looked to me like you were helping NPAU out by suggesting an answer to the question Shinobi asked him. If I had been in Shinobi's position there I would have been peeved and a bit suspicious that you intervened as it might have affected the read I would have been trying to get on NPAU. The question you raised could have been asked without referring to the post at all. But Shinobi doesn't appear bothered about it which makes me wonder why.
I was actually calling out Shinobi in that post, not defending NPAU. TBH I forgot that bait was in the water. I looked back and think that Shinobi never responded to my question. At this point I wonder if Shinobi scum could have been crumbing a defense to NPAU scum.
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Repeating an earlier question as it may have been overlooked.
In post 665, davesaz wrote:In post 662, uctriton00 wrote:In post 660, Scripten wrote:Case on NPAU
Jumpy vote hopping (All of his votes so far have apparently been serious, as per (105)): (33) (105) (224) (320) (439)
Finds MS unlikely to be scum, (224) but, despite MS's playstyle not changing, he considers him scum by (521). Yet, he barely pushes at MS, which is a marked change from his other accusations. I also did not notice him voting MS. Considering how much his votes have jumped around, this is inconsistent, especially when he jumps onto GM in (634). After all, if he was changing his playstyle because it made him look scummy, he should have stopped vote-hopping by that time. (If he was town, stopping scummy behavior would have made sense. Even if it cast suspicion on him, it would ultimately make the game clearer for the town. Scum thrive in confusion.)
There's some scummy wording and opportunistic attacks in those posts, too.
I also find it interesting just how fast the NPAU wagon broke up and how fast the GM wagon grew at the same time. I'll go back and see where votes changed from one wagon to the other and check if my thoughts match up.
This is a good enough post to make Scripten town if NPAU was lynched and flipped scum today.
The way you say this indicates you'd have a different read if things turned out differently?
Does the post itself have any alignment indicator for you? I see things but would be interested to see if others agree.-
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In post 711, Shinobi wrote:I hate how everyone is drawing associative reads from everything.
I'm looking at them and they all look dumb. Maybe it's just me.
In post 712, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 711, Shinobi wrote:I hate how everyone is drawing associative reads from everything.
I'm looking at them and they all look dumb. Maybe it's just me.
I agree. Associative reads without flips/relevant information are indeed dumb.
In post 713, Malakittens wrote:Yeah I have never fully understood why people do it, but I'm guilty of doing it myself accidentally sometimes
You can get associative reads from the pattern of voting even before a lynch is reached, if you notice that 2 or more people are together when wagons swing, or counteract each other. And also from who people support or lock in on. But I would agree in part, you might have reason to say they're the same or opposite alignment, but not know which is which until there is a flip.
It is also possible to use associations in a PoE manner. It's much easier to find the negative "probably not associated with" than the positive. Someone who looks like they can't possibly be associated with anyone may be more likely to be not scum.-
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In post 730, uctriton00 wrote:Your 729 answers it. I think if we are right on NPAU being scum it sets up some people to be town.
GM for same reasons why I've said I don't think they're on the same team.
Scripten for that well thought out case on NPAU (I would doubt its worth it to bus on Day 1 with 13 players, and I doubt a bus would have that much effort Scripten put. In my personal cases of bussing, usually it's some half assed sentence or idea, not a thought out case like that)
If NPAU showed up as town, would that change things? That was what I was really asking.-
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I've seen enough to sort everyone. The (r) denotes replacement.
town
davesaz (r)
Malakittens(r)
Josh B(r)
Scripten (r)
Peabody (r)
Huntress town
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Metal Sonic
BlueBloodedToffee
goodmorning
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ucitron00(r)
hephaestus (r)
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Shinobi
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Thanks for asking. I had a scum lean before and then I noticed these posts.
Spoiler: bad-ish stuff
But not this one...
In post 743, Shinobi wrote:In post 741, davesaz wrote:In post 730, uctriton00 wrote:Your 729 answers it. I think if we are right on NPAU being scum it sets up some people to be town.
GM for same reasons why I've said I don't think they're on the same team.
Scripten for that well thought out case on NPAU (I would doubt its worth it to bus on Day 1 with 13 players, and I doubt a bus would have that much effort Scripten put. In my personal cases of bussing, usually it's some half assed sentence or idea, not a thought out case like that)
If NPAU showed up as town, would that change things? That was what I was really asking.
This is basically why we kill uct, for the record.
So I guess the one I didn't notice leaves Shinobi back at the previous point of just a scum lean and near the top of that list. The reason it doesn't swing all the way to town for me is that scum could make the same point that Shinobi did in order to cast doubts on the townpeople on the NPAU wagon to deflect suspicion from a buddy.-
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Observations on the vote:
NPAU and hephaestus both voting GM is interesting because IIRC several people have floated hephaestus as their 2nd-3rd scummiest player. Perhaps both are scum and neither wants to move for fear of looking even more scummy?
What's up with Malakittens and Josh_B? Could be a double OMGUS with a side of BBT? IIRC (without going to the trouble to read back) I think that trio's votes have been pretty jumpy.
ucitron00 being on shinobi makes sense given the past couple of pages, but it's interesting that shinobi is the sole holdout on voting at this time.-
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I'm looking at a vote count that is spread out all over the place and a big drop in activity, as though a lot of people are willing to leave it this way.
If the ones who are off on their own have actual reasons for being off the wagon, they should work harder at making a case. Especially since some of these spread out votes are there because the target isn't making cases.
@BBT, we know who you suspected. It's not like that information is going to be lost if you switch. Or you convince me that your lead is better than where my vote is now. I'm not totally invested in the current wagon. It's almost like there are too many good leads, in fact more good leads than there should be scum.-
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NPAU, Shinobi, Mala if your're onto something. I thought GM was pushed for the wrong reasons. Can't tell if Hephaestus was sincerely just unable to participate or doesn't know how to reengage without looking scummy. Some of the suspicion against Scripten resonated with me and reminds me of our game together. You're different enough this time, though this asking other people for reads instead of promoting your own still gives me cause for concern.
pedit -- thanks for the link, I'll look at that. Actively avoiding questions about active lurking is pinging me on Mala.-
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In post 813, Malakittens wrote:I seriously don't know what to do with Shin v Uct. I don't know why he also added my name in the mix. <_<
Any followup here? I bet there has been posting since then.
In post 857, Malakittens wrote:Lolno. It won't happen.
Josh. There can be games I hop a lot others I dont. It depends on how I'm approaching the game scum hunting wise etc.
Please tell me where I omgus voted you. I was not really liking your posts at all besides the one that felt town, but its something scum or town could do either way.
Also I voted hopped more than you are making out to not have hopped. Voted my RVS then nyayayaa, then bbt, then GM then you.
So yeah anyone who I was trying to read or actively hunt. So all my votes have had reasons besides maybe BBT with the votes.
So pretty much you've only attempted to read about 5 people this game?
In post 864, Malakittens wrote:Shin -- I didn't like the defense in the newbie game and I sure as hell don't like it now. T_T
At first I misread NPAU's post thought he was saying he was okay with the lynch on himself. Which felt like AtE, but reading back on it further is not what he said at all.
I'm off today so I'll prob look through the game a bit more, but deadline is close so we do need a lynch. So I'll put my vote to the NPAU wagon if needed.
This implied a big burst of activity, which IMO has not materialized. Did NPAU's post reinforce the idea that he's scum, or not. Does that reply, which is not AtE, feel more like scum resigned to being lynched, or town resigned to being lynched. I'm sure a player who claims to be able to read people on sight should be able to draw some conclusion. You're not gung-ho on lynching NPAU, but you're doing nothing to pursue Josh_B where your vote is now. Scummy, no?
In post 880, Malakittens wrote:If it makes you feel any better my null read has become a town read on huntress!
Be happy I didn't just reply something snarky to your snark remark BBT.
Congratulations, a read update which is meaningless to the current situation. Hopefully you can do better.-
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So the new post 891 invalidates all the points I made in my latest. Don't know why its coming so late, but I really do like the content -- which makes sense though I may disagree with some of the conclusions. It's obviously not a response to the one I was in the middle of writing, and it's a lot more comprehensive than you'd expect from the other Mala post on this page.
Next question -- BBT, I know that Mala could have posted this specifically in response to your read and engineered it to address your point, but what if it's genuine?-
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Now, is NPAU really the right target? I think, without looking back, that a lot of the case was on inactivity, which is really easy to target.
Don't get me wrong, it's not clear that NPAU is town either. If we've been led astray then go for the perp, and if the case is valid then we lynch and evaluate based on the flip.-
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In post 903, uctriton00 wrote:i.e. if we were playing real life mafia and someone just said this, i'd be suspicious of it.
Things felt like they had been static for something like 2 (or more) days now. I find that really unusual, so I took steps to do something about it.
If I were scum, and it's headed for no lynch, what possible benefit could there be to trying to stir things up? If I were buddy with NPAU, convincing others to join a wagon I'm already on would be stupid, and if not then why would scum try to kickstart town and then try to stop what looks like a sure mislynch? Neither scenario makes sense. While the town scenario makes total sense -- lynch someone and try to be sure it's really scum.-
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In post 905, uctriton00 wrote:Plus I'm still waiting on a Shinobi response; he posted earlier today, and I'll give him benefit of the doubt that he's at work.
Just hope that I don't get a "I don't have to explain anything" scummy response again. Rehashing the question again:
"What was your original case on me, and how did it change to a town read all of a sudden?"
In post 907, Shinobi wrote:I just really don't feel like dealing with you.
Can we have a refresh? Someone wants a question answered and the other one refuses to answer the question because the asker hasn't posted something. Can't recall who is asking, who is refusing to answer, and what the various cases are.-
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UNVOTE:
I'm getting a read that says lynching NPAU could be a mistake. It would be a bad thing to fully explain this read now, but I don't want to leave the vote at L-2. If I'm wrong and the read does not develop further, it is easy enough to get back on.
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In post 914, Shinobi wrote:In post 911, davesaz wrote:In post 905, uctriton00 wrote:Plus I'm still waiting on a Shinobi response; he posted earlier today, and I'll give him benefit of the doubt that he's at work.
Just hope that I don't get a "I don't have to explain anything" scummy response again. Rehashing the question again:
"What was your original case on me, and how did it change to a town read all of a sudden?"
In post 907, Shinobi wrote:I just really don't feel like dealing with you.
Can we have a refresh? Someone wants a question answered and the other one refuses to answer the question because the asker hasn't posted something. Can't recall who is asking, who is refusing to answer, and what the various cases are.
Alternatively you could stop blowing something useless out of proportion.
Who do you want lynched? Anyone in particular you don't want lynched?-
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In post 915, uctriton00 wrote:In post 911, davesaz wrote:In post 905, uctriton00 wrote:Plus I'm still waiting on a Shinobi response; he posted earlier today, and I'll give him benefit of the doubt that he's at work.
Just hope that I don't get a "I don't have to explain anything" scummy response again. Rehashing the question again:
"What was your original case on me, and how did it change to a town read all of a sudden?"
In post 907, Shinobi wrote:I just really don't feel like dealing with you.
Can we have a refresh? Someone wants a question answered and the other one refuses to answer the question because the asker hasn't posted something. Can't recall who is asking, who is refusing to answer, and what the various cases are.
Dave, reread my post and tell me where in there you don't see me asking the question to shinobi
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In post 912, davesaz wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm getting a read that says lynching NPAU could be a mistake. It would be a bad thing to fully explain this read now, but I don't want to leave the vote at L-2. If I'm wrong and the read does not develop further, it is easy enough to get back on.
Scripten & Huntress, how strong are your NPAU reads? How do you feel about uctritron and Shinobi?
Finished reviewing things and I couldn't develop that nagging doubt into anything more concrete. That is to say, the things I had seen which generated the doubt did not resolve into a better scum read on someone else. I'd still like to have these answers though.
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In post 934, uctriton00 wrote:In post 931, Metal Sonic wrote:if i replace out and request access to spoilers i think it would make it very easier wouldn't it
i just want to know if im right
If Shinobi or NPAU isn't lynched I'll join you
Reading these two posts together makes me want to think MS.-
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In post 979, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 978, davesaz wrote:I already said I wasn't sure, and the posts since I revoted have made me less sure. But hopping to GM feels like hopping to town. I think I'll watch the thread and clock.
Why are you town-reading GM?
GM's reply to one of my posts. Town is way more likely to give that reply than scum. In fact, I'm nearly certain that GM is town because of a single sentence. No, I'm not going to quote it now.-
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