Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Teapot]

VOTE: Albert
Lets see how you react this game.

[Teapot]

No, the time limit just means that if we haven't reached a majority that nobody is lynched (killed).d
If we reach a majority the day ends instantly with the most voted person being lynched, in this setup we then instantly start the next day. So the mafia 2-Shot Day Vig can shoot once per game day, this day is ended by majority or the time-limit.

[Teapot]

Hi everyone, looking forward to playing with ya ^^

SETUP

• The Mafia 2-shot Daykiller may only shoot once per gameday. Their shot does not end the day, just resets the votecount.

I don't understand this rule. Does it really mean that if the mafia shoot someone after 13 real life days have passed then all the votes will be reset and we will have only 24 hours left to vote? (since a day last for 14 days)

Also, if a majority vote has been reached after just 24 hours, will we still have to wait for 13 days untill there'll be a phase change O.o?

The votes will be reset yes, missed that. This looks to me like a slight scum-slip though.
VOTE: Zymf
Why are you thinking of the 2-shot Day Vigs possibilities?

[Teapot]

Why are you thinking of the 2-shot Day Vigs possibilities?

Isn't that only natural? I want to understand the rules completely and especially those regarding the enemy's possibilities!

So why did you feel the need to ask these in thread? Instead of PM'ing the mod.
Could it be you're trying to look town when you're not?

[Teapot]

UNVOTE:
This isn't going anywhere, was slightly hoping some pressure on a newbie would make them panic and slip in some way or another.

@Droog, why are you quoting Thor? Any super-early reads?

[Teapot]

fair warning
for everyone who hasnt done nightless

these are long games
and since were in setup spec
i want to avoid grind

Yeah, I already knew this. Now droog, your play so far doesn't feel like it usually does. You usually have some comments out on people by now.

[Teapot]

Food for thought: would Mafia vote on a day one lynch, when they run the risk of being killed by the D1 Vengeance?

Yes, as it's more likely that he will hit town than scum. Though it has happened before that we have a ninja sniper.

[Teapot]

fair warning
for everyone who hasnt done nightless

these are long games
and since were in setup spec
i want to avoid grind

Wait....there are no nights in this game? Okay. That's a new one for me.

And I

unvote

. I think we may be getting some clues on who could possibly be scum. I'll see what comes of it.

What the heck?
If you're getting clues then show them and vote the bad ones. This is scummy as heck.
VOTE: Astinus

[Teapot]

How's it new to you that there are no nights in a setup called

nightless

vengeful mayhem.

[Teapot]

UNVOTE:
This isn't going anywhere, was slightly hoping some pressure on a newbie would make them panic and slip in some way or another.

@Droog, why are you quoting Thor? Any super-early reads?

Albert isn't a newbie. Where did that even come from?

Duh, I know he isn't. The pressure on the other guy I voted with the odd name.

[Teapot]

Please start posting more people, lurking is bad.

[Teapot]

So people stop voting ABR and start voting Astinus, I'll sort ABR's play later. I'm familiar with it.

[Teapot]

@Mod, Can we have some prods please? Only three pages in 3 days is ridiculous.

[Teapot]

Why do you want people to start voting me, Teapot? What have I done that is so scummy?

You're not super scum, however as people are being jerks and lurking it's all I've got. I'll quote the post I disliked again.

[Teapot]

I don't know. I'm leaning towards Zymf right now because I think he's trying to hide the fact that he is scum by saying that scum would try to blend in with everyone else. And I think he's trying to do that.

Hi. Welcome to Open 587. I think we're still in RVS but possibly getting some early reads.

fair warning
for everyone who hasnt done nightless

these are long games
and since were in setup spec
i want to avoid grind

Wait....there are no nights in this game? Okay. That's a new one for me.

And I

unvote

. I think we may be getting some clues on who could possibly be scum. I'll see what comes of it.

You're leaning scum on zymf where as you won't vote him, you also say we're getting clues while not showing them. Feels a little like setting up to wagon anyone who gets wagoned. It's weak however it's something.
Also droog get back here, you're not giving anything good.

[Teapot]

Lets talk, who could be scum according to you and why didn't you actually give reads when there are "clues"?
Also, thoughts on droog's play being off? I'd wagon him for pressure to get himself back in here.

[Teapot]

fair warning
for everyone who hasnt done nightless

these are long games
and since were in setup spec
i want to avoid grind

Yeah, I already knew this. Now droog, your play so far doesn't feel like it usually does. You usually have some comments out on people by now.

do i know you

Yes

[Teapot]

@Morgan, He's weak town for now. It's too early too build solid reads, it was as you said a newbie reaction test. Also, how are you town reading droog's comments when they are fluff and irrelevant?

[Teapot]

This is scary in any number of ways. First that you think you can sort ABR's play. I can't imagine being able to do that. Second, that you think we should trust you enough to do it. But I'm looking forward to your ABR reads anyway.

Greetings Textcat! Looking forward to a game with you

Nice that you've said hello, now could you post content?

[Teapot]

Lets talk, who could be scum according to you and why didn't you actually give reads when there are "clues"?
Also, thoughts on droog's play being off? I'd wagon him for pressure to get himself back in here.

whats up friend
what would you like me to give

Do you have any thoughts on the game so far?
We need talk to get stuff rolling.

[Teapot]

Missed this:
@Morgan:
ABR's play can be very different each game, him lurking at the start is also not uncommon.

[Teapot]

You honestly have nothing else to say?

[Teapot]

Does the second lynch idea not appease anyone..?

Which one?

[Teapot]

@ Astinus -

Hi! Could you please get an avatar? It helps a lot while reading to be able to associate an image with a personality, as a visual cue.

@ everyone -

Quick survey.

1) How many games have you played on this site?
2) How old are you in real life?
3) What's the coolest thing you've ever seen on the internet? Where can I find it?

1. A lot.
2. Over 9000
3. I dunno, check 9gag at 9gag.com

[Teapot]

@Morgan, He's weak town for now. It's too early too build solid reads, it was as you said a newbie reaction test. Also, how are you town reading droog's comments when they are fluff and irrelevant?

I have a weak townread on him for 18.

No comment on my Astinus townread? You're voting for her.

The "better vote" in 10 made no sense. I'd like to hear Sup-Zero's explanation for that.

I told my other head about my experience with Astinus and suggested that we wagon her.

What made it a better vote?

Does the second lynch idea not appease anyone..?

Which one?

slimer is talking about using the vengeshot as a second lynch, as in we all decide on it.

I'm not going to comment everything, but now you say; it how's he town?

[Teapot]

Hi texcat, you were scum with ABR once. How was his play from your view?
Also less surveys more reads pushes and content.

[Teapot]

I was scum and ABR was town. Then ABR was scum and I was town. I remember town ABR being very close lipped, particularly early in the game, and scum ABR being a bit more loquacious, but ? Is this what you're asking? As I said, I find him difficult to read.

Thanks, now who would you call scum now? There's not a lot of posts so one must strike you as bad.
I'm going to support wagoning lurkers if they don't start speaking, who's with me?

[Teapot]

Slimer isn't a hydra, I've played with him before. Albeit not this account.

[Teapot]

Can we wagon a lurker like ABR/Droog?
Where are the prods?

[Teapot]

So you think Teapot is pushing a mislynch, if you believe early lurkers are town.

Nope, it's a pressure wagon. We vote somebody so they get bck in here and post, them we change votes. It useless doing it on my own hence I waited to look if other supported the idea.

[Teapot]

So uh, VOTE: ABR
His play so far isn't town.

[Teapot]

Wow, these games are slow...
After this game (and another game i joined) is finished, I'll probably make sure only to join games that have 24-hour days and nights.

Nope just this one, people are refusing to post and as such we have only 7 pages when we could of had 20+

[Teapot]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

[Teapot]

I'm back, 2 pages won't be too much to catch up.
Seriously though, post more.

[Teapot]

So uh, VOTE: ABR
His play so far isn't town.

Guess I need to explain this; ABR's play isn't town. I had a look at the game he was in with Texcat (Why was it abandoned?) and he posted fluff and little content at the start of Day 1. Here he's doing so as well, it also isn't similar to some of his more recent *ongoing* games where he's flipped town. I wanted to pressure him to get him to:
1, To make him start posting more, hopefully even get him to interact with me.
2, To see if after he starts posting his play is similar to Stack The Deck's.

However I recently unvoted, I'll explain why as I go along.

[Teapot]

Texcat is probaly town btw.

[Teapot]

Despite my earlier comment I see in the vote count that my vote is on Morgan rather than ABR.

VOTE: ABR

This is L-2. Given that he hasn't produced much, I do think we need to wait for a response before going any further.

Morgan is probably town. If ABR is scum, archaebob and Sup-Zero are probably town, as I don't think all of the scum would jump on the same wagon that quickly. If ABR is town, I wouldn't say they are scum, but they shift more towards null.

This is a horrible vote and is why I unvoted, he's supporting a quick lynch and is even showing he isn't certain he's scum. Of cause scum wouldn't care who's lynched, hence he's fine with a quicklynch.
Town wouldn't support a quicklynch with a week left and so little content in the game, unless someones got town meta of vett supporting QL's as town this is really bad.

[Teapot]

Unvote, vote Teapot

Unvote, vote vettrock

Unvote, vote Astinus

Let's shake things up.

All ABR naked wagon hops, why are people saying my votes are bad when this guy is doing it 10x worse. If Vettrock isn't scum he is the next lynch.

[Teapot]

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

I would normally be against a lurker wagon, but he is not just lurking, he is jumping on my wagon with basically naked votes. Am I sure he is scum? No, but of those on my wagon I consider him the most likely. As I said with 3 scum, it is likely that one of the three on my wagon is scum. I'm just not sure who it is yet.

I find it somewhat interesting that you are complaining about the speed of the ABR wagon, but have no problem jumping on my wagon that shot up nearly as fast in response to a test vote/push for Morgan (who had no votes), and my susequent move of my vote back to ABR. That and the fact that I was actually active and posting. Archbobs case on me is basically, I have been actively posting, and have not "done much". Which is basically because until recently, there wasn't much to go off of other than fluff.

and ABR's reponse to all of this is a three word post:

VOTE: Vettrock
Morgan is town, unless he's scum with ABR and is panicking after a bus. I won't consider that right now though.
The ABR wagon went way too fast.

(I'm going away for a few days.)

You wanted to pressure!wagon ABR, and now suddenly the wagon is "too fast"? Your wagon hopping is what's too fast.

Someone remind me why we're not lynching this.

We still can.

I guess that can be inturpreted to mean ABR thinks Teapot could be the lynch instead of me? A little more explanation would be helpful.

This is actually a good post, he's thinking similar to me. I'm starting to doubt my read on him.

[Teapot]

So uh, vettrocks not scum. I'm not allowed to say why due to site rules, I'll say no more.
VOTE: ABR
If it isn't clear yet; Votes all main wagons, not usual play, similar to other scum games and intentional no content.

[Teapot]

I don't mind being lynched, I like to vig kill.

That's L1, I don't believe we have any PR's this setup.

[Teapot]

ABR if you are lynched, who will you shoot if I'm wrong?
Nobody hammer until we have discussed this.

[Teapot]

I don't mind being lynched, I like to vig kill.

We'll see about that.
Texcat, do you see any similarities to his scum game with you?

[Teapot]

If ABR flips scum Vettrocks town. I'd suggest him shooting Astinus, I'm however unsure.

[Teapot]

Actually thank you Bob, I misread that. I thought it was "I don't think we need...".
Also, it may have sounded like me saying I'm good at sorting ABR, I wasn't saying that. I was at first intending to ignore him and get a read on him later game, however things changed.

[Teapot]

He's actually looking at the game and trying to think it through in that post, I've got other reasons which I can't (yet) mention.

[Teapot]

Sorry, however I'm not basing it off meta. Meta is something than can support a read, it should never be used as the foundation of one. As people change or can manipulate it, it's not a trustworthy tool. However it does do a good job of making something more probable, I'm mostly voting ABR off the fact he's posting no content and he's jumped on all the main-wagons nakedly. The fact he's done this before as scum isn't the basis of my reasoning, it on it's own is scum play.
However there is meta of it, it may be unrealiable, ABR has manipulated meta very well before. However due to the fact we've seen his play can be like this as scum it just supports the case on him. However little. Astinus, if you believe he could be scum, that means I'm either town or scum bussing. Which is more likely day 1?
Someone's got to put him up at L1 at some point; this time it happened to be me. We can lynch him to see if he's scum, as lets face it, we all sometimes are wrong. Hence I'm asking for ABR's target if he truely is town, it makes me nervous that someone who's posted so little content will have the power to lynch someone instantly. He's been on all the wagons making it seem he doesn't have specific reads, he also continues to ignore my questions.

If anyone thinks my vote is opportunistic, how would that fit into a situation where he's scum? It likely wouldn't, unless I'm hard bussing. It would otherwise indicate you think he's town, so I'm going to ask why? Why do you think he's town?

[Teapot]

VOTE: BBmolla

Welcome, why you voting yourself?
Have you read the game yet?

[Teapot]

Someone hammer him, it's meeting resistance, guess what that usually means?
I believe the scum are attempting to shift it onto me, I know I'm town so if ABR flips scum we should really look at my wagom.

[Teapot]

Wut,
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Teapot]

Teapot, what do you actually think of vettrock. Don't withhold details. If site rules makes your evidence inadmissable, it's bad evidence. I don't trust your perspective shifts between ABR and vettrock and back again over the last few pages.

He's town, you know that meta I asked of him? Well, I've got it but I can't explain it.
However, I'm not going to clear him as town with meta, it's just eased my suspicions for the time being. He's almost definetley town if ABR flips scum so I see more usage in pushing my main suspicion than someone I could sort later off information and further play.

I must ask you, I may be scummy to you, however am I worse than ABR? I suggest you vote him and join me for now, lets clear away a publicly held read. Lets face it, if ABR flips scum your read on me probaly will change slightly, if he flips town you may proceed to doubt me.
I honestly think that scum are redirecting to me, ABR's death will prove this. So if ABR flips town, we'll have 2 very town players; Me and Vett.

What's the better option?

[Teapot]

ABR's probaly scum, I'm starting to think Texcat as well however that's matter to ponder if ABR flips scum.

[Teapot]

You bob could also be scum, however I like to think you're town for now. What are your thoughts on the game?
Who would be scum besides me/ABR?

[Teapot]

Great, Albert.
If you could possibly stop playing oddly, could you explain those reads in some way?

[Teapot]

I must ask you, I may be scummy to you, however am I worse than ABR? I suggest you vote him and join me for now, lets clear away a publicly held read. Lets face it, if ABR flips scum your read on me probaly will change slightly, if he flips town you may proceed to doubt me.
I honestly think that scum are redirecting to me, ABR's death will prove this. So if ABR flips town, we'll have 2 very town players; Me and Vett.

What's the better option?

>if ABR flips town you may doubt me
>if ABR flips town I will be one of two very towny players

I

cannot

believe this is an actual post.

VOTE: Teapot

Also, if you're going to townread someone for something you can't legally state in the thread, then don't bring it up. Either you're bending the rules or trying to get out of explaining a read on someone you, as scum, would already know is town.

If ABR flips scum I'm town*

[Teapot]

Unless I take notice of something that convinced me someone is scum. But since that hasn't happened this game yet, do you really want to trust me with the kill?

Unvote, vote Teapot

This post only makes my

vote

harder

Yeah, BB, I've been on here for a while.

[Teapot]

Phantom quote.

Anyway, ABR, you also said that in your scum game with texcat an you flipped traitor. You giving a hole lot of WIFOM however I'm not going to trust your self-meta one bit. You said Astinus is likely scum with me, why won't you shoot him?

[Teapot]

I don't have a solid grasp on this game yet. I'm reading, thinking, and it will take time.

You've got until the deadline, please don't lie that it takes time. I've seen you tunnel and push someone in 60+ page games as a replacement.

[Teapot]

After a few days after you replaced in.

[Teapot]

Vote him an put him at L1

[Teapot]

And*

[Teapot]

Bob, I'm really not liking how you're refusing to vote. It feels like you're seeing if the wagon is actually going to happen an vote as a "justifyed hammer" to mislynch. If ABR flips town I'd recommend him to shoot you, if you think he's scum vote him and get dedicated. The Cow's vote is also awful, if ABR flips scum we should seriously consider voting him. Is he a new guy?
If yes, that would make t even more likely.

[Teapot]

Still not understanding how nobody's pushing ABR for his "Teapot and Astinus are scum" to saying he has no read and need more time to read the game (BS, I've seen him form read within a day of replacing into long games, 14 pages is nothing.) and now he's saying I'm scum and is ignoring Astinus. Obviously showing he's got reads.

[Teapot]

ABR, you've jumped on every single wagon so far and your death provides a lot of information. You play like this as scum, I've played with you. If your so sure I'm scum you'll be able to shoot me on your death, too bad you probably won't flip rown.

[Teapot]

Heck, your death will even provide information on my alignment. You are the best lynch for today and I honestly thonk your scum.

[Teapot]

If ABR flips town I'd recommend him to shoot you

This isn't any reasonable thing that town would say.

No?
I'd hope that town would work together to decide a vengeful kill, however nobodies talking on it.

[Teapot]

Yeah, I'm not revealing my main.
I'll look at pisskop.

[Teapot]

I'm shooting ABR, I seriously don't care about anyone else. Other reads aren't as strong as his.
And I disagree that not revealing my main is scum, it's neutral, neither parties gain anything.

[Teapot]

Slimer's probaly scum.

[Teapot]

VOTE: ABR

[Teapot]

VOTE: Herodotus

[Teapot]

@Sup: My concern is that you didn't say much to them or pressure them while they were around. So I don't understand the vote or how you were paying attention to Astinus.

I'll sheep vettrock.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Albert

Preview edit: threadsplosion and votes.

My vote is L-1

, including a self-vote.


I like the new ISO feature, but I keep clicking on posts to see them in context, then clicking on new ISO's, then new posts from those new ISO's. It's like that website that it's poor etiquette to link to. Trying to read Albert in ISO this happens even more because he tends not to quote or name the person he's talking to.

Scummy vote right here, lynch it with fire. I must apologise Albert, I was wrong.
Texcat's probaly a mislynch he's pushing, we'll see when he flips.

[Teapot]

In case it wasn't clear, I didn't realize Albert thought he had self-hammered. He had been talking about venge killing for days, I thought he was just threatening Sup.

You said in your post "Counting self vote", you're ****** lying.

[Teapot]

Sorry I haven't been so active, had some stuff I had to get rid off. I'm catching up.

[Teapot]

Ok, time to answer some stuff. I thought that Vettrock wasn't scum due to some town meta on another ongoing game I had recieved spoilers for after dying. It's now ended so I may reveal this, however I was wrong.
I am going to to unvote and reread, any questions I need to answer?
UNVOTE: Hero

[Teapot]

I'm going away for a long time, I'm afraid you're going to have to replace me. I'm sorry about this, I enjoy this game