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That is the only reason. Should it not suffice? I am currently the largest wagon and nobody could care less about it. We're not going to get anywhere expecting the game to move itself forward. So either legitimise my wagon or disband it, I say.In post 59, Armageddon wrote:Why do you want people to invent a reason to vote you? Other then the afformentioned RVS thing.
What are you trying to say here?In post 60, Persivul wrote:
Meh, I'm typically very aggressive D1 and generate a lot of content, but people scum reading me for it lately has dampened my enthusiasm. The whole idea of the game is that an uninformed majority has to generateinformation, but not may people appreciate that fact anymore.
I'm doing something right now. Also, those are big words coming from someone who has done literally nothing thus far.In post 61, Gendaberry wrote:What's stopping you from doing the same? It's not like you've really done anything to help us break out of RVS.-
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Haha what? I'm not trying at all. Get it sorted.
What doyoumake of Snarky saying absolute jack shit in his first contribution of the game?-
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No, but I know a buffoon when I see one. Think about it. What possible motivation is there as any alignment to vote an IC? That's right - reaction testing to catch out people such as yourself. If you honestly think that the contents of said test are solid enough ground to place a vote/scumread then you are either extremely naive town or extremely gullible scum. And considering you have done nothing but take the easy path thus far I'm going to go with the latter until a better lead presents itself.In post 97, SnarkySnowman wrote:Do you want a five paragraph essay on why you're scum based on the first 4 pages?
Or perhaps a comparison showing the pot calling the kettle black?
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You know the more you say that now, the less value it's going to hold, right?In post 112, SnarkySnowman wrote:Did you look in a mirror?
I knew you were probably fishing for reactions but that felt pretty scummy / not town-motivated to me. Hence the vote.
What about it was scummy? If you knew it was most likely fishing, which is undisputedly town-motivated, what is there to convince you otherwise?-
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I was expecting scum to make a significantly bigger deal out of it than town, if anything.In post 127, Karnage wrote:So if it was a reaction test, what was your rubric for what is a town reaction versus a non-town reaction?-
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From the get-go scum are going to be hunting for a position to cement themselves in. My vote was effectively an open invitation for scum looking to park somewhere, even if theyIn post 131, SnarkySnowman wrote:If it was an obvious ploy, why?
Felt like you were trying to create some early mislynch fodder if anything, I can't see any town-motivated reason to do that.knewit was an obvious ploy - in which case they would simply justify their stance on another basis later, which is exactly what you're doing now.-
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You 'found' a scum - why were you voting me before then? Waiting for a justification before bringing too much attention to yourself?
I don't have an awesome plan. What I did wasverysimple, and would only have worked on relatively inexperienced players. I'm certain you should know that with as much experience as I assume you have, and if anything, I was expecting you to call attention to it.-
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Was that Snarky vote post a reaction test in any way? Because otherwise it's you who has no excuse.
Why are you acting so apathetic towards me considering you have made out that you are almost certain I am scum? I mean, you're practically treating me as an equal among the others voting you now. No attempt to single me out. And your post is written in a way that makes it seem as if you know that logically it should work as a deterrent to the entire wagon.-
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Was your Snarky vote serious on any level?
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sounds, at worst, quite confident to me.In post 144, Lowell wrote:ricastle (who is sad that I caught him so easily)-
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In post 198, Karnage wrote:Who am I supposedly bussing?-
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...wait, what? You forgot about the traitor's existence, and therefore you assumed there were two scum in 13P? No, that doesn't sound right to me at all.
I'm pretty sure the only people who would naturally assume there are only two scum would be those who see only two players in their scumchat.
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12P, 13P, it's the same thing. And it's not remotely on the level of forgetting there is a third scum in the game because you forgot about the traitor. You're far from a complete newbie, and it's therefore inconceivable to me that you would just forget how many scum were in a game this size.In post 212, Karnage wrote:or it was an honest mistake.
should I be voting you because you don't know how many players are in the game?-
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I could ask you the same question.In post 230, jmo16mla wrote:We have two trains right now, do you find them both to be town?-
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Why aren't you voting Karnage?In post 232, jmo16mla wrote:My vote isn't on someone with only my one vote.
For the record, you were on Lowell for longer than I, my friend.In post 234, Persivul wrote:Stayed on Lowell too long.
In regards to Lowell's post, I find it quite common for scum to act incredulous when they are wagoned for what seems like minuscule/awful reasoning from their perspective. So I really don't see that as a towntell.
Also, guys, can we please talk about 208, because I seriously believe that's a slip?-
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The slip:In post 208, Karnage wrote:Nevermind. I'm an idiot. I was waiting for you to say snarky then i was going to ask how me, snarky, and Lowell could all be scum but I forgot about the mafia traitor.In post 243, Gendaberry wrote:I'm guessing what he's getting at is that most people would assume 3 scum in a game with this many players. There's only going to be two people in scumchat due to the traitor, so it makes sense for scum to slip up and forget about the traitor when counting the number of scum in the game.
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Karnage was going to ask how I could think three people were scum. This implies that he believed the scumteam consisted of less than 3 people. He corrects himself by remembering the existance of a traitor.
What townie would assume there were two scum in a 12P if they forgot a traitor existed, let alone a townie with multiple years on-site experience?
Obviously, the traitor isn't mentioned in the other scum's role PMs, and isn't in their PT. This would make it easy for one of those two scum to forget there was a traitor andthenassume there were only two scum. This is the only standpoint from which his assumption makes sense.-
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He read 209 where I accused him of assuming there were only two scum, and brushed it off as an honest mistake, with no further attempt being made to clarify his post's true meaning. If what you say were correct, I think he would have made it clear by now.
Fair, but I was mostly referring to the traitor's name. Also, this is an open so it would be easy for them to find that basic information out anyway. Without a name to associate with the role, it's much more possible to forget about it.-
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Well for starters, I really don't like this "scumping" thing you're doing. It appears to me like you're using it to create scumreads objectively without having to bear those reads on yourself. In other words, extremely cautious play that I can't see coming from town.
239 is also quite bad. I was expecting you to have not read the whole game, but to have done so and not get any reads out of it? That's not town. As I said, it seems more like you are too paranoid that any reads you make up will be jumped on, to me.
And it seems like the only times you go on the attack are when you get attacked, as we can see with Mario & jmo. I also find it funny how one minute you're attacking jmo and the next you're explaining yourself to him.
And the traitor part is simply because I have this feeling that you know who both your partners are. I mean, I can't exactly name a third scum as of now, but your passive play seems more like you are not only afraid of upsetting town, but scum, as well.-
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Thoughts on Karnage, Zulfy & jmo?In post 281, SnarkySnowman wrote:Still here, hi.-
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If I hadn't, do you think I would have been at all confident in making that statement? You only have two completed games, anyway. In neither did you employ scumpings anywhere near as frequently.In post 306, Zulfy wrote:check my meta
How the fuck is that WIFOM?? To have absolutely no reads as town after these first 10 pages is incomprehensible to me, unless you're restrained or afraid somehow, either scenario not being town.In post 306, Zulfy wrote:WIFOM, whaddaya want me to do?
What reads? Come on, tell me. I want nothing more from you than some opinions on the gamestate right now.In post 306, Zulfy wrote:But I am making reads. Quality over quantity yo
Yeah, precisely. That's why scum do it.In post 306, Zulfy wrote:That's probably cuz that's when it's the easiest to reply.
There is a difference between not acting as if your scumreads are 100% confirmed scum, and both attacking and reasoning with a player in the same breath. What the latter indicates to me is that you know your attack target is town, yet you still need to get them off your tail.In post 306, Zulfy wrote:I can do both. I should do both. Everyone should do both. I'm not going to cement the guy as my enemy and refuse to cooperate with him in any way. I have no firm reads, I need to get people's opinions on things. This is what a town-player does. This is what a mafia player trying to look town should do. Basically this is good play and everyone should emulate it.
Regardless of your alignment, you are basically playing with a scum mindset here, so. If you're town it would do you good to learn from this.In post 306, Zulfy wrote:I don't like upsetting-
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In post 290, Ricastle wrote:I think it was pretty obvious that I was asking for the actual reasons why, bub.
Marcrell, don't ignore me. Why is the Karnage slip reasoning horrid?-
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And you're back on the scumlist.In post 315, SnarkySnowman wrote:Coincidence. I haven't had anything really to add, but I'm still here.-
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So much so that you aren't interested in answering things directed to you, it seems!In post 323, Zulfy wrote:I for one am loving the pace of this thing-
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What's the desperation for? Why do you need that day?In post 368, Zulfy wrote:Give me a day please.
Laughable. Laughable! You have no reasoning!In post 370, Marcrell wrote:Because there's no slip. He could have not been paying attention to the roles. He could have been thinking about other games like he said. I'm not the biggest fan of Karnage play, but you're trying to make something out of nothing.-
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Anyone who believes this is scumplay is either scum themselves or a severely disillusioned individual at best. There is no logic to driving a scumpartner to L-1 only to attempt to deform their wagon at the last minute. I'm not a chicken-shit coward when it comes to bussing. If I resolve to do so, I will bloody well follow it through. Even I, who fully recognises the dramatic mediocrity of my scumplay, am insulted that you would place it at such a level.
As I said - if you would jump on such a thing as the optimal D1 wagon you are either overconfident scum or town that has given up on a truly meaningful lynch today in at least one form. I believe you, at least, Persivul, to be in the latter category, so I implore you to cease this foolishness and vote the overwhelmingly likely candidate for scum Zulfy, the entirety of whom's play thus far has directly contradicted a town mindset.-
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I did give a reason; you're just selectively reading.In post 440, Persivul wrote:Wow, you guys seriously don't have a problem with someone jumping off an L-1 wagon with absolutely no reason given? Interesting.-
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There's nothing to hammer! Please do the next best thing though which is voting Zulfy.In post 477, MarioManiac4 wrote:intent to hammer
i'm tired of this.
karnage or zulfy. i don't even really care. to be honest.
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If you don't care about this game then stop trying to control it. Doing so in such an apathetic state is nothing less than completely obstructive.In post 479, Persivul wrote:True. I've been bored as hell for a week now. I'd like to replace out but that would be cruel to subject a replacement to this lame-ass game. This phase was too long. It shouldn't have been extended for the holiday, which came at the beginning of phase anyway. I understand a holiday extension if phase is near ending, but in this case it wasn't needed. It feels like we've been playing this for a month.-
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I don't believe there has been any semblance of a case presented against Karnage by anyone on his wagon right now. The only point against him I can find whatsoever is that his attack targets were changing based on where pressure was being applied, which isn't even necessarily scumplay. So if the slip is being denied as evidence then the wagon is, quite frankly, utter shit.-
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