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Hyper aggressiveness is not necessarily a good strategy to adopt. Usually it gets on people's nerves and they stop listening to you regardless of how correct you are. A more political approach tends to work better as town and scum as such. Some players manage to intimidate the town info working together like ABR but that's another matter."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 11, Clumsy wrote:In post 10, BlacleWorks wrote:Voting for me? Im CONFTOWN from where I'm sitting. Take them crap shoots back to the gotham alleyways. lol
Chill out Joe. And we're all Conftown from where we're sitting.
VOTE: Alexcellent
That... -horrible- pun of a name. Get outta here.
Possible town-slip?
Scum aren't town from where they are sitting.
(This isn't serious to be honest)
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Hey, KT. Remember what we talked about regarding all caps?
If your town and willing to listen I can try and help you improve your town game while I'm alive.
Also no policy lynches please, I don't care how valid it is I'm not having it."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Persivul, Kain is in this game and if he is town then good play aids us in general. Also avoiding a potential policy lynch on a potential town helps us as well."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 25, Maxous wrote:In post 9, Alexcellent wrote:Hyper aggressive? No fucks? That sounds like obvscum to me!
VOTE: BlacleWorks
I didn't like this either
vote: Alexcellent
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In post 27, KainTepes wrote:hello wgeurst, I will be AVOIDING the capital letters thing,, and I believe i am playing better now than my first game MICRO KIDS WITH GUNS.
I am town and I will catch scum because i am a very aggressive player,, I caught 2 scum out of 3 in DETECTIVE CONAN MAFIA, very happy
Try and not use capitals in posts besides names and sentence starts though. It generally will make people act less irritated towards you. When you place a vote try and explain why you are placing it where you are. Then try and discuss and see if what you think is as strong as you think. Doing this not only will make you generally more rational but will also improve your game.
Also voting less frequently may help."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 28, KainTepes wrote:will you WAGON shotty with me, wgeursts?
Eh, why not?
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
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OMGUS at its finest, now tell me, are you town or scum this game?
We could resurrect Young & Beautiful partially if the former and use this thread as our Team PT if you're the former."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 33, drmyshottyizsik wrote:In post 20, KainTepes wrote:VOTE: shotty
calling me a VI implies that you know I am town........ can you explain how you know that?
I said VI not TI. Scum live in the village too. Also believe it or not you don't become any less of an idiot just because you are scum.
Village Idiot is often used as a reference to town but *shrug*
I just realised texcat is in this game, so many people I haven't played with since I stopped being generally awful."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I have two things to say really:
One, texcat bringing the wagon to 4 in RVS really is completely null and will remain so until late-game where it can be sapped for minor associative-tells. As scum there's really no need to do so as any more experienced player will know that RVS wagons won't end in a lynch and if you force them to become one it's effectively suicide. Because of this I see no explanation why texcat would have voted like this as scum besides her being not as experienced, which ,although I haven't played with her for a year, I doubt as she's been around the site for a while now.
Two, I honestly can't see much of a scum motivation for shorty pushing the Village Idiot thing. Once again although I don't know her/his (Which should I use?) play he has been around since the 2010 so he should have a certain level of experience. Why then as scum should you throw yourself into a spotlight for absolutely no reason? Honestly I would have expected scum to drop the point to avoid further attention, not continuing pushing something people are stating they dislike. For this I'm willing to give minor town points to shorty, thus I need to unvote... sorry Kain!
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I would like to say that I'm not calling you shorty shotty but that's my phone being a stereotypical phone."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I'm also starting to think that more experienced players should be read off individual actions and newer players as a body-of-work. The more experienced a player gets the more they will make town posts as scum, the fact that a town post comes from scum doesn't mean there will be anything scummy in it. Therefore you really need to read experienced players off those small slip-ups they make here and there, and not on how town they look in genuine. Newer players fail to hide things as easily thus are much better read with a "does their general play look opportunistic" sort of view. This is also the reason why doing some stuff as a newer player can be indictative of alignment but a lot more is null for better players.
#TheoryBash"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Who are your top-three town reads right now. If you can't think of any act as if someone's sticking a gun to your head and give three names off the top of your head."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Can you also confirm whether or not the scum driving that got away with it?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 78, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 76, wgeurts wrote:Can you also confirm whether or not the scum driving that got away with it?
All I'm saying is that driving a person to L-3 unwarranted is anti-town. However, it is also suspicious. I'm not going so far as to say it's scum driven, but I don't think I can read anyone on that bandwagon (especially the latter half) town.
L-3 is nothing, L-2 is eh. Really putting someone at L-1 is anti-town but I still stand that it isn't suspicious unless we're speaking of an inexperienced player. Which texcat is apparently not."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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What I'm trying to figure out is whether you're trying a faulty push or you're genuinely freaking out about this as town. How much experience do you have with mafia Kuroi?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 56, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 54, texcat wrote:My vote was strictly an RVS vote for the hat. I still hate the hat, but
UNVOTE: .
You saw three votes on someone and you decided, "Hey, let's just RVS this guy. That's not scummy at all?"
Like this just seems wrong. Why would scum do something blatantly scummy if they knew it was blatantly scummy? Wouldn't you agree that's the kind of thing they would want to avoid?
What's your read on texcat kuroi?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 82, Masquerade wrote:In post 71, wgeurts wrote:Who are your top-three town reads right now. If you can't think of any act as if someone's sticking a gun to your head and give three names off the top of your head.
You, Blacle and Kuroi.
Just one question: Why did you point out a possible townslip?
But I like that you're sort of taking the lead and I don't expect scum to do that. Is this something you do as scum as well?
In post 81, wgeurts wrote:Why would scum do something blatantly scummy if they knew it was blatantly scummy? Wouldn't you agree that's the kind of thing they would want to avoid?
No such thing as 'too scummy to be scum'. Good scum would actually be able to fake those kind of things. I'm not going to townread tex for what she did, I think it's null.
I haven't drawn scum in forever, check my wiki if you really need details for games. Also I'm arguing that tex's actions are null, some seem to find them scummy."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 87, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 86, SirCakez wrote:RVS wagons form all the time, not indicative.
It is sometimes indicative and always anti-town.
I disagree, they produce content and gain momentum."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Kuroi if you're town please reread texcats post and take a really good look. That was not a scum over the top defense. Also defending ones self is once again also not a scum tell. It's going "over the top" in your defense displaying over-confidence and/or paranoia that is scummy."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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If anything I'm leaning towards calling kurois push town. He's not dropping it despite the obvious traction against it and I believe it's more a case of mistaken logic or confirmation-bias. I'm not saying texcat is town though, she at least isn't scum for the reasons kuroi is giving. If we see him tunneling and coasting off this read for the remainder of the day then some red flags can be raised.
The fact that he's a lone-wolf isn't alignment indicative in my opinion. Opportunism as scum wouldn't be strongarming a read, more accepting a push someone else is leading. Scum of cause know that so they'll be trying to avoid that more so than town out of paranoia. The fact people aren't opportunistically jumping to pushes isn't really alignment indicative as such, maybe later when we have some flips."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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To address what seems like a contradiction in my post by "lone-wolf" I mean that others aren't jumping to his aid."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Building wagon and pressuring people makes more content allowing us to read each other better. Why the Max vote?
I'm awaiting a response from texcat as well."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I don't have any scum-reads to push right now Aneninen, it's going to be one of those games... Plenty of beginning town-reads though."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Took the time to ISO to point out why I'm lacking reads. Post more people please.
Aneninen
No real content, pushes or anything really from this slot. I know Anen is a pretty good player so if he keeps lurking for long I'm going to have to pressure him out of hibernation.
drmyshottyizsik
No real content either, just a policy lynch like thing towards KT which I can't assign to any alignment.
Clumsy
Surprise surprise, also doesn't have much content. A few empty questions and that weak (not)town-slip as his first post.
Alexcellent
My golly. Another content-less ISO. Two posts, one being an RVS and the other a question. Honestly I could place a null-scum read here as his only other non RVS post was him only caring about the people who didn't like him. Like he literally didn't do anything else.
KainTepes
Same erratic self I saw last time I played with her so she can be town for now.
texcat
Nothing particularly town here, interest in setup-spec is a little eh. Scum like seeming useful through setup-speculation when in reality they're not aiding anyone. Would like to get some reads from her.
Masquerade
Asking questions and has done more than others figuring-stuff-out wise so he can be null-town for all it's worth.
KuroiXHF
I currently believe Kuroi is town pushing someone for the wrong reasons and starting to get caught in a tunnel. I've explained why in earlier posts.
Persivul
Nothing much here and not as active as usual except I know that life's giving him lemons so I guess that explains why partially.
BlacleWorks
I have got my own official fan boy which is a big mistake as I'm not some mafia god. Whether or not he's buddying me as scum because I sound convincing and am drawing all the wrong conclusion is a thought I'm trying to suppress until we have some flips. Really it's null right now. He's made some flawed points but I believe he stated this was his first non-newbie game so I'm going to wait and observe his play to see if any patterns arise.
Maxous
Leaning town on Max right now, may just be a bias due to him being an AW fan but hey.
wgeurts
You better believe it town.
SirCakez
Not much from this slot either. Would like to get some reads from SC soon.
VOTE: Alexcellent
As I literally have nothing better than this vote right now. Alex, care to provide your thoughts on the game right now as well as explain why you're only focused those that didn't like your only other post?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I'm so confused right now and feel like I really should be voting BW for the above."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Like I don't know what's worse, the admitting of buddying or the "lets go to lylo"."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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We can also vote clumsy if anyone's up for that. Today I'll explain both once I'm free."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I've been away today and yesterday hence the lack of activity. I'll try to post this afternoon/evening as I have some thoughts I want to explain."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Back and doing what I promised. I've reread clumsy's posts and I'm not feeling that as scum anymore. I saw a "why me fry me" tell in there before and I apparently read the rest of his posts with a bias after that, ignoring that now there's honestly not too really see as scum-motivated."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Okay here is my case on BW:
Why y'all should be voting this guy:
Everything before post 123 by him is decent albeit a little odd with the way he buddys the hell out of me. If people are seeing scum-motivated stuff in this alone they need to get their eyes checked. It's his most recent posts which are bothering me. Staring with, well... post 123.
In post 123, BlacleWorks wrote:Whoa whoa I'm not a fan boy, I'm clearly buddying Wgeurts. 2 reasons, to test the effects of buddying from my perspective and to see if anyone is gonna call me out on it
Well 3 reasons really but the 3rd kind of tips my hand much more than is necessary to appear as if I'm being oh so transparent. I'm getting the reaction that I assumed would be most likely, "this newb doesn't know hes doing bad stuff I guess."
Also if we are paying attention to my actions and the BS I make up without anyone asking me to do so. I am trying to create a wagon on Maxous for close to no solid reasons. And too my surprise everyone is still being very cautious and not supporting it. Dear scum if your plan is to be perfect town and avoid getting caught, Like I already put it out there. Games gonna come to MyLo/LyLo anyhow. Stop stalling and get this show on the road.
LOL kuroi. Politely ignore my typo's like a GentileIt.
To start off with it's really off that he instantly tries to justify buddying me once people start getting suspicious about it, the reasons he gives for his justification aren't even good. "To test the effects of buddying" and "see if anyone is going to call me out" are honestly not things I would expect to come from somebody this invested in a game with a town role-PM. Why would you want to intentionally do something scummy as town to "see if anyone calls you out"? He doesn't even say what "effects" he observed through his little experiment which is rather condemning. His third point is completely off, why all the cloak and dagger? Really why is he testing the boundaries of what he can get away with along with his label of a newer player? Doesn't sit well with me.
He's also literally admitted to making up his whole push on Maxous and calls it BS himself. Why the hell do you as town make up crumpets and push someone? Thenalsosay you're surprised nobody is joining you. What kind of town-motivated mindset is that?! The cherry on the top is the "dear scum I've given a way for you to appear town let's all go to lylo and loose ladeedaadeedah". If this isn't enough for a vote I honestly don't know what is day 1.
His other posts consist of him saying "hey y'all, join my push that has no justification; you've got nothing to lose anyway!" and "hey guys do you spot why my Anen vote is wrong cus there's something wrong about it". Sorry if I'm mad to declare this isn't what town should be thinking."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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To me this looks a newer player attempting to look insanely town and catching scum with some whizz-never-heard-of-before methods but is just entangling himself in his own narration."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 190, drmyshottyizsik wrote:In post 189, wgeurts wrote:To me this looks a newer player attempting to look insanely town and catching scum with some whizz-never-heard-of-before methods but is just entangling himself in his own narration.
It deffinetly been done before. However I'd like to focus on this post of yours. Where is your motivation for this post it seems like filler and an attempt to look useful.
This is what we could a stream-of thought post which if you look at any of my games you'll see I do a lot. I add info or things I missed in separate posts. This one happens to be a TL;DR of sorts or a conclusion."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 191, Clumsy wrote:In post 187, wgeurts wrote:Back and doing what I promised. I've reread clumsy's posts and I'm not feeling that as scum anymore. I saw a "why me fry me" tell in there before and I apparently read the rest of his posts with a bias after that, ignoring that now there's honestly not too really see as scum-motivated.
So you're just saying that you're just reading it the other way? Nothing wrong with that, reads change, even on the same posts. But you did seem pretty confident on that, just casually throwing out the possibility of lynching me today, which would be a very bad idea.
I was reading up on my mobile and saw your wall. Originally the way you handled some accusations originally felt off and I came across a tell I often apply. Upon a deeper look now I no longer see what I saw."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Like if you insist I can go ahead and make a wall explaining my prior thoughts and what caused my change. I'd rather have people focus on BW right now though. All those not voting him should be explaining why as a case has been revealed. Town should work together to discuss and form reads, if someone makes a case you should either be explaining it's flaws or supporting it."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I'm even more happy with my vote. BW just displayed unnecessary paranoia of those mainly pushing him (if you want a defensive over the top reaction well there you go kuroi), complete misrepresentation of my case and strawnanning to look as if he's refuting it while in reality now he's only make a lot of noise and a perfect example of a scum OMGUS.
For example, if he were town the correct way to act would have been more along the lines of trying to explain why the case was wrong calmly and then going onto interact with me try to show me his line of thought so that if I'm town I can correct my read. Instead he suddenly flips on me (love it how this only happens AFTER I posted my case) from insane town to scum.
Me fence-sitting? Lol
I'm the only one besides possibly kuroi pushing someone.
The last paragraph is utter crumpets and by his own logic I wouldn't be resisting him as scum so it just goes to show how much utter crap he's posting. How many lies, inconsistentcies and made-up hoola are we going to tolerate?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Like when I'm not on my phone Ill got ahead an shred that response to pieces.
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In post 200, wgeurts wrote:I'm even more happy with my vote. BW just displayed unnecessary paranoia of those mainly pushing him (if you want a defensive over the top reaction well there you go kuroi), complete misrepresentation of my case and strawnanning to look as if he's refuting it while in reality now he's only make a lot of noise and a perfect example of a scum OMGUS.
For example, if he were town the correct way to act would have been more along the lines of trying to explain why the case was wrong calmly and then going onto interact with me try to show me his line of thought so that if I'm town I can correct my read. Instead he suddenly flips on me (love it how this only happens AFTER I posted my case) from insane town to scum.
Me fence-sitting? Lol
I'm the only one besides possibly kuroi pushing someone.
The last paragraph is utter crumpets and by his own logic I wouldn't be resisting him as scum so it just goes to show how much utter crap he's posting. How many lies, inconsistentcies and made-up hoola are we going to tolerate?
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In post 196, BlacleWorks wrote:Don't drink and mafia unless your a professional. If you can't see it masquerade I'm just going to add you to the people who have no memory of what has been posted.
Here we see Blacle directly insulting my play and making me look bad. Makes me seem less trustworthy doesn't it? Go read again and really try a see where he provides evidence for his claims, you'll see he doesn't give any. Hence scum love doing this, they are able to break cases without actually having to refute them while making the person attacking them seem less town. Brilliant for scum, as town you have no reason to do this kind of thing.
He's basically saying here that he's town here and as such everything he does has a reason. He fails to actually give any reasons thus it's just some awful facade to aid what seems to be a botched narration. The misrep at the end is also neat. Notice the change in tone in this post as well, when pressured he suddenly comes out all guns blazing and lashes back. A town player would have no reason to be aggressive, they should try and interact by showing where their attacker went wrong. That's how a good town should function; working together.That being said I catch all "mistakes" and count them as Lies. I can cloak and dagger all I want. It helps me get reads and I am town and gettting reads is all I can do so If I get lynched for playing differently than you then so be it. Your just not mature enough to read intent.
Completely ignores my case and says I'm pushing him for "sewing confusion" which if you read my case you'll see is complete crumpets. Strawman; trying to make my case look like something else to shoot that fake image down. Also no reason to do that as town. By his own logic I should be town as well as "scum ... will not resist me" as I obviously am. "I have nothing to lose" is also worrying, getting lynched as any alignment is worrisome, especially as town.The best you could hope to pin on me at this point is "sewing confusion." Except I am not the traps are obvious and only scum would entertain them because scum is looking to push a myslynch while town is looking to actually catch scum. In a sense I am the bait. The bait is obvious. And scum cannot and will not resist me. Unless scum is better than I thought. And if thats the case I already in over my head. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Suddenly I went from hardcore town to scum. It's even better though, his reasons are pure crumpets. "Not scumhunting", what do you call the case on you then? "General Fence sitting", I'm the one spurring people on to form reads and the one who most vocally voiced mine early-game. "Pushing a lynch on me for anyreason but, 'BW exhibits scum intent.'" my case was literally pure "BW exhibits scum intent" so another strawman.VOTE: Wgeurts
Not scumhunting. General Fence sitting. Pushing a lynch on me for anyreason but, "BW exhibits scum intent." This vote is serious.
And with that, unless he can logically refute my claims or someone can point out where I'm going wrong, I've shown why he is likely scum. Anyone who ignores this is suspect, town should discuss and if a case is presented it should either be refuted or supported. Period."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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In post 211, Masquerade wrote:Even though I really do not like what Blacle is doing, I don't think he's scum anymore. Went through his iso and this
In post 63, BlacleWorks wrote:I don't like that I'm agreeing with what wgeurts is saying. Its almost like hes forcing me to town read him by giving generally useful advice. Stop manipulating me!
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shows that he already had some suspicion to wgeurts.
It's also not the first time I played with an idiot that thinks it's a good idea to make himself look like lynchbait, so there's that.
That post was obviously sarcasm. "Its almost like hes forcing me to town read him by giving generally useful advice. Stop manipulating me!" is literally saying "this guy is being pro-town" in a joking manner. Not to mention he stated his town-read after that (literally his next post) post here:In post 95, BlacleWorks wrote:P-Edit:
Thats it, Wgeurts I never get town reads this fast, FOS on you for being too good to be true!
Point refuted. Now where am I going wrong then if he is town mas?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I'll admit I overlooked that, you did try and misrep me later anyway so the point in itself remains valid though.In post 207, BlacleWorks wrote:You were never town from my POV. I have plans within plans. You were better earlier in the game about not getting full of yourself when I was buddying, I will give you town cred for that. Not enough tho. My vote isn't OMGUS... I gave my reasons you can disagree with them all you like
The don't drink and mafia was aimed at Masquerade............................ um...... what?... lol
And I've already mentioned the it looks like a failed attempt to justify your actions with a narration you botched terribly.The reason for the cloak and dagger is stated. It helps me get reads... um lol what are you doing Wgeurts? Are you reading what you are typing lol
I'm on fire baby.I said the best you could do. Your not doing the best.
I'm not sure why you mentioned "The best you could hope to pin on me at this point is 'sewing confusion.'" when defending yourself then. If you happened to mangle your English here though; no worries. You attempted to change what my case looked like later anyway sooooo the point remains valid. Stop nit-picking and start explaining why you're doing stuff (with logic, evidence and whatever) instead of making empty claims and ignoring literally my entire case.Your not pushing me for sewing confusion... wth is going on here lol You are not resisting anything, you're pushing me. I am the bait that you cannot resist.... LOL um no I don't care If I get lynched as town. As scum I care... And I wouldnt make it appear as if I cared anyway so please tell me again why I am supposed to care about being lynched when I can win from the Grave Yard as Town?
Yeah, darn people with weak reads during RVS and the few events after that right? It's also not true as I never waffled on a single player, I gave concrete reads on everyone with additional explanations and evidence to back them up. That's not fence-sitting. That's the opposite of fence-sitting.You were fence sitting until you started pushing me. I am making myself an easy myslynch target for scum and your pushing me... LOL
I literally went through your entire post and responded to every point you gave me.The only person that can discredit you Wgeurts is you. You might want to ask for clarification if your not following what I'm saying because you have litterally attempted to refute none of my case against you except for the fence sitting part.Every single one.This is a lie.
I'm willing to wager on this, help me put then by easing your lynch.Lynch Wgeurts today! If I somehow get lynched today (I dont see this happening) Lynch Wgeurts tomorrow lol.
"Let's scum read everyone who attacks me, that way nobody will believe them. BWAHAHAH I'm so cunning!"In post 208, BlacleWorks wrote:Sir cakez are you scum number 3? LOL I doubt all of the scum is gonna jump on this wagon; that's suicide...
Scum-reading those that attack you is a common scum player literally done all the time everywhere since forever. Know what town would do? They would interact with those on their wagon while explaining where their attackers are going wrong. They give alternative options, reads, evidence, anything. They don't sit around being cocky and trying to frame all those that come after them.
I'm not saying aggressive=scum, I've already provided the context in how this aggressiveness is out of place.In post 209, BlacleWorks wrote:I mean your saying a whole lot of nothing Wgeurts. Town can be played aggressively lol. How you can even assert that town has no reason to be agressive is a red flag. I'm not even being aggressive yet.
You refuted every part of that post that had nothing to do with you. All of it was directed at Masquerade. Everything under my vote was directed at you... Maybe it will become more clear to you if you look at the post like that.
This is a fun game so fart
In post 210, BlacleWorks wrote:FART!!?!?!? LOL... More votes on Wgeurts please."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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The resistance to wagoning this player who has blatantly lied, behaved anti-town, admitted to making up cases on people and literally stated he doesn't care how many town get lynched we're all going to lylo anyway is astonishing."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Will respond to that wall with yet another shredder.
One thing I would already like to note is that it contains yet more narration changes. He said his (not) sarcastic post was serious yet he literally states I'm a strong town-read in his next post. That's a contradiction in his narration."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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UNVOTE:
Everybody confirm you're not the vigilante. We're not lynching an uncounter-claimed power role.
We have a week left, if BW is being truthful then nobody will counter and he is town. JK should definitely target him to then keep a confirmed town alive and prevent him from taking a stupid shot as I don't trust him with a gun. BW, if you're the vig then you shouldn't shoot as the JK will block you, thus meaning you waste a town shot.
I'll reread later and reform reads based of the assumption nobody will counter-claim him. If someone does CC then we lynch BW anyway."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Otherwise BW just dies tonight. Like the standard protocol with an IC is to protect them, protecting conf-towns is always the way to go."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Persivul, I've already stated that I don't trust him with a gun so yeah I'm paranoid he's going to shoot a stupid target. I hadn't considered the other roles though and what you say is better for town."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Blacle, people pushing town does not make them scum. It was also not a weak case I pushed as town agreed and went on it, in the worst case scenario 4 people on you would have been town. The scum-intent you propose is complete crumpets. I haven't drawn scum in a long time and I hold no delusion that I'm good as scum as such, one thing I am however aware about is how I play and how to avoid attention. Call this self-meta if you will but due to my lack of confidence I definitely wouldn't come guns-blazing and strong-arm a lynch with a week left until deadline, that would be suicide as I mentioned to Kuroi with his paranoia of that happening during RVS. Instead my optimal strategy would be to lay-low (not having double most other people's posts) and coast off the fact my less-conventional manner of playing gets me scum-read as town, a lot. (Check my wiki for proof, I was scum read widely as a mason in Suikoden for instance).
I tend to read players motivations early-game and see what seems to make sense and what doesn't, this is fully based off me understanding someone's mindset. If I fail to understand someone then I get false positives, in this case I still don't agree with your methods and don't understand the way you work. My scum-case wasn't weak, it was mistaken. Now if you could discuss with me then I am able to get a picture of you and vise-versa, it's likely you're town right now so this isn't too important. All I'm saying is that you've got some flawed thinking and I'm trying to see where you're going wrong.
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Now this will be my final post on setup-speculation.
The cop is free to check me tonight, I'm probably going to live (unless BW shoots me) as it would be better for the Framer to simply hit me. As such a result on me doesn't really give much information, as if I'm town framing me as the obvious cop-target is optimal play here. I hadn't considered that before as I only briefly glanced at the setup. The JK can block me if his wishes, though it would be better to either hit BW to keep him alive or hit a nullish read for information. BW shouldn't shoot."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Also, I'm making a post containing stuff on everyone. New conspiracy and controversy await!"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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