In post 10, BlacleWorks wrote:Voting for me? Im CONFTOWN from where I'm sitting. Take them crap shoots back to the gotham alleyways. lol
And we're all Conftown from where we're sitting. In post 25, Maxous wrote:In post 9, Alexcellent wrote:Hyper aggressive? No fucks? That sounds like obvscum to me!
VOTE: BlacleWorks
I didn't like this either
vote: Alexcellent
In post 11, Clumsy wrote:In post 10, BlacleWorks wrote:Voting for me? Im CONFTOWN from where I'm sitting. Take them crap shoots back to the gotham alleyways. lol
Chill out Joe.
VOTE: Alexcellent
That... -horrible- pun of a name. Get outta here.
In post 71, wgeurts wrote:Who are your top-three town reads right now. If you can't think of any act as if someone's sticking a gun to your head and give three names off the top of your head.
In post 138, Aneninen wrote:
Clumsy– Even if his slow-start may have been because of IRL things, he looks like a lurk-scum. Partly gut, partly MissMarple read, partly his vote for Maxous, which tells me he's going after the low-hanging fruit. Lean scum.
In post 18, drmyshottyizsik wrote:vote: kt
Please include the colon or use vote tags, I'm using the votecounter.
In post 19, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Such a vi
In post 151, wgeurts wrote:We can also vote clumsy if anyone's up for that. Today I'll explain both once I'm free.
In post 161, KuroiXHF wrote:BTW, Clumsy made a very good point, one I hadn't noticed. If he's scum, he's doing a damn good job.
In post 187, wgeurts wrote:Back and doing what I promised. I've reread clumsy's posts and I'm not feeling that as scum anymore. I saw a "why me fry me" tell in there before and I apparently read the rest of his posts with a bias after that, ignoring that now there's honestly not too really see as scum-motivated.
In post 241, wgeurts wrote:No JK should def be protecting the confirmed town lol
In post 242, Persivul wrote:In post 241, wgeurts wrote:No JK should def be protecting the confirmed town lol
We can't keep him alive long enough to make a difference, unless you're proposing we don't use any of our actions for cop investigations. We just protect one wild conftown every night and gain no new information from our PRs.
VOTE: wgeurts
In post 244, Persivul wrote:And you don't think that the limited action mechanic changes that?
Suppose we protect BW 3 nights. Then we enter D4 with 1 conftown and 1 action remaining.
Suppose we let the cop investigate 3 nights, and scum kill BW. Hopefully the cop finds scum. If not, on D4 he can claim, giving us potentially 4 conftowns (cop plus his 3 clears) and 1 action remaining. Things can go wrong with that - clears can be killed before then - but the potential is much greater this way.
Plus, it's noteworthy that BW is voting you, we find out he's a vig, and you immediately want to lock him up indefinitely...
In post 246, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I'm not a vig but I'm not sure I would cc if I were, however we can't lynch him. But I will say the if he is scum and fake claiming and the reall vig is just hiding jailkeeping him would stop the real vig from taking him out and it will also stop a cop investigating him. Again I don't think we can lynch him today, but the vig claim and the way he asked for the night to go would be a very good scum fake claim, we need to remember that in the following days.
In post 416, davesaz wrote:Official Vote Count
Persivul(4): texcat, wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF
wgeurts(2): BlacleWorks, Clumsy
drmyshottyizsik(2): SirCakez, Persivul
texcat(2): Maxous, KainTepes
Masquerade(1): Alexcellent
Alexcellent(1): Aneninen
Not Voting(1): Masquerade
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-04-12 01:00:07)
In post 417, Persivul wrote:Just ran across this from gurts in the discussion forum:
People should stop trying to act townie intentionally as town, due to that a meta can form with "how town should act" which scum players of a certain level can easily replicate as their scum-game. People should just play as they do naturally. That way people are forced to look genuine as scum which is harder and not just meet a set of standards.
Why aren't you following your own advice? You expect people to do certain things you consider townie even if they don't feel like doing it naturally.
VOTE: wgeurts
In post 514, Maxous wrote:sorry if i'm glazing over this a bit but I still prefer a lynch among {KainTepes, Texcat, Masquerade} if at all possible
In post 542, BlacleWorks wrote:It is OMGUS: Oh My God Your Scum. The suddenly realization that someone is scum with no logical progression. It is the oldest scumtell... LOL
VOTE: drmyshottyizsick
In post 632, davesaz wrote:Official Vote Count
drmyshottyizsik(7): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul, Alexcellent, BlacleWorks, Masquerade, Maxous (Lynch!)
Persivul(3): wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF
wgeurts(1): Clumsy
Masquerade(1): texcat
texcat(1): chilledtea
Not Voting(0):None.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-04-14 01:01:48)
In post 598, davesaz wrote:chilledtea replaces KainTepes, please welcome them. 2 days added to deadline.
Official Vote Count
drmyshottyizsik(6): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul, Alexcellent, BlacleWorks, Masquerade
Persivul(3): wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF
Masquerade(2): Maxous, texcat
wgeurts(1): Clumsy
texcat(1): chilledtea
Not Voting(0):None.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-04-14 01:00:13)
In post 592, davesaz wrote:Official Vote Count
drmyshottyizsik(5): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul, Alexcellent, BlacleWorks
Persivul(3): wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF
Masquerade(2): Maxous, texcat
wgeurts(1): Clumsy
texcat(1): KainTepes
Not Voting(1): Masquerade
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: Frozen
In post 554, davesaz wrote:Official Vote Count
drmyshottyizsik(5): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul, Alexcellent, BlacleWorks
Persivul(4): texcat, wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF
wgeurts(2): Clumsy, Maxous
texcat(1): KainTepes
Not Voting(1): Masquerade
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-04-12 01:00:37)
Replacing KainTepes. Deadline would be extended for a replacement if needed. If there is a lynch, night deadline will be frozen for a replacement.
In post 512, davesaz wrote:Official Vote Count
Persivul(4): texcat, wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF
drmyshottyizsik(3): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul
wgeurts(2): BlacleWorks, Clumsy
texcat(2): Maxous, KainTepes
Masquerade(1): Alexcellent
Not Voting(1): Masquerade
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-04-12 01:00:37)
In post 636, chilledtea wrote:Blacle, did you take out alex? Cause I was scumreading him throughout day 1.
VOTE: masquerade
In post 637, Persivul wrote:That's a weird question considering their was only 1 kill. With the roles it's possible that that was a vig shot, but it seems more likely it's the NK.
VOTE: wgeurts
In post 712, Masquerade wrote:In post 696, Persivul wrote:This is a well-designed setup. I've been trying to run out optimum PR strategy but it's really tough. For instance, you first think scum would want to kill claimed PRs as they're conftown, but since that would give more shots to the cop, no, that's not necessarily the case.
Scum still isn't going to want conftown around in lylo though. They're going to have to kill at least 2 of us to make sure they have a chance of having another unknown player in lylo. The cop should stay hidden at all costs and we need to be careful about running anyone to a claim anymore.
I kinda agree with Anen about wgeurts, I still think he could be scum. I also still have a scumlean on clumsy, but it;s gotten less because I kinda got the feeling he's awkward town? Not sure yet. Kuroi is mostly focused defending himself, maybe if he posted some reads I wouldn't agree with cakez. I didn't like the way Persivul jumped on my wagon. A page earlier he agreed with me on my clumsy-read and I felt he wanted to work with me and the next page he completely turns around. Also, what scum ever kills the person that is all over them outside newbie games? Seriously, that's like the biggest tell in the book. And I think he knows better.
I just realized something. His 710 it looks faked to me. Why would he comment on that? Also, there are sample rolepm's. Scum don;t have daytalk. So it feels like a way to pretend you look like you don't know. While you very well could as either alignment. (And with 3 scum pr's vs 3 town pr's daytalk wouldn't even make sense balance-wise)
Well, my scumread on Persivul is now stronger than on wgeurts. I don't believe they're scum together, so this is really conflicting my brains..
I'm not going to vote yet, I'll give wgeurts and Persivul a chance to respond and redeem themselves. I'll look into Kuroi and clumsy again, and I'd like it if some other people could try harder to obvtown themselves because right now I don't have really strong townreads anymore.
In post 712, Masquerade wrote:
I kinda agree with Anen about wgeurts, I still think he could be scum. I also still have a scumlean on clumsy, but it;s gotten less because I kinda got the feeling he's awkward town? Not sure yet. Kuroi is mostly focused defending himself, maybe if he posted some reads I wouldn't agree with cakez. I didn't like the way Persivul jumped on my wagon. A page earlier he agreed with me on my clumsy-read and I felt he wanted to work with me and the next page he completely turns around. Also, what scum ever kills the person that is all over them outside newbie games? Seriously, that's like the biggest tell in the book. And I think he knows better.
I just realized something. His 710 it looks faked to me. Why would he comment on that? Also, there are sample rolepm's. Scum don;t have daytalk. So it feels like a way to pretend you look like you don't know. While you very well could as either alignment. (And with 3 scum pr's vs 3 town pr's daytalk wouldn't even make sense balance-wise)
Well, my scumread on Persivul is now stronger than on wgeurts. I don't believe they're scum together, so this is really conflicting my brains..
I'm not going to vote yet, I'll give wgeurts and Persivul a chance to respond and redeem themselves. I'll look into Kuroi and clumsy again, and I'd like it if some other people could try harder to obvtown themselves because right now I don't have really strong townreads anymore.
In post 920, SirCakez wrote:My lynch pool today was going to be (Max, Chilled, Clumsy) but I think Ranger's right that that was a crumb clear. I remember thinking it was a bizarre townread at the time, makes much more sense if she had a clear on him.
So then yeah Max or Clumsy is fine for the lynch today.
In post 912, Ranger wrote:For the record, I'll need to check the isos side by side in detail to confirm, but at a glance, Clumsy's scum iso in this game holds a great resemblance to his play this game.
In post 925, Aneninen wrote:
In post 632, davesaz wrote:Official Vote Count
drmyshottyizsik(7): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul,Alexcellent,BlacleWorks,Masquerade, Maxous (Lynch!)
Persivul(3):wgeurts,drmyshottyizsik,KuroiXHF
wgeurts(1): Clumsy
Masquerade(1):texcat
texcat(1):chilledtea
Not Voting(0):None.
This is good. There are three un-confirmed names at the beginning of the Shotty-wagon. I doubt there would have been a Bus there. (Although, there may be a small chance that Persivul is scum too and scums wanted to keep him alive instead of Shotty...?) The Maxous-hammer is something which might have come from a scum to gain town-cred. Clumsy was away.
FoS Names:Clumsy, Maxous, ?Persivul
In post 473, SirCakez wrote:Wgeurts we're not lynching the Vig :/
Persivul - you literally went from posting a miniwall about KT to voting wgeurts in 3 posts. What's up there?
In post 535, SirCakez wrote:Wgeurts why not?
TeX it's really obvious if you read the game. His only contributions are defending himself whenever someone accuses him, no scumhunting at all.
In post 400, Maxous wrote:In post 384, Alexcellent wrote:Maxous - has your tex read changed at all? Who are your scum reads?
i've softened a bit on Texcat.
{KainTepes, Texcat, Masquerade, Persivul} would be the list i'm working off atm
In post 520, Maxous wrote:In post 518, Clumsy wrote:All three he's got here are not among the top three for the game. While not necessarily indicative, does seem like scum distancing from the lynch today.
we still have 3 days left which is plenty of time.
no need to panic and start compromising just yet
In post 540, Maxous wrote:ugh, fine
unvote, VOTE: wguerts
we're just stalling till the deadline at this point
In post 514, Maxous wrote:sorry if i'm glazing over this a bit but I still prefer a lynch among {KainTepes, Texcat, Masquerade} if at all possible
In post 561, Maxous wrote:can nobody hammer until KT gets replaced anyway please?
shotty and pers are both fairly strong town-reads at the moment.
In post 565, Maxous wrote:I thought shotty's push on Kuroi and Persivul was decently reasoned and he doesn't come across as being opportunistic at all regarding pushes or votes.
his #380 was antagonistic to a lot of players (even the ones he was calling town!) in his readlist which I feel like is something scum wouldn't want to do.
I know people are voting him for low content but I think it's just a lazy playstyle more than anything.
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For Persivul, it's mostly just tonal. Stuff like #426 sounds genuine for example.
I can't really articulate this one, sorry.
I do agree with his latest read-list for the most part though.
In post 947, Ranger wrote:I kind-of think this might be a rolecop breadcrumbing technique. It looks like it, especially given the follow-through in 864.Clumsy wrote:Blade, did you shoot last night?
In post 656, BlacleWorks wrote:I shot at Masquerade. He's alive. He got docced or I got Jk'd or he got Jk'd If he isnt the cop he has no valuable pr for town. I'd say its best to lynch masquerade because it will not expose our JK and it will get rid of a player who likely scum due to the interraction between him and shotty in twilight.
I have not read any of the day so far. But I wanted to go ahead and say this before anybody influences me.
VOTE: Masquerade
In post 950, Ranger wrote:Do the mafia have daytalk in this setup?Clumsy wrote:...How exactly is a rolecop breadcrumbing technique?
If not...well, we know they almost certainly got a rolecop result on texcat N2.
And if the rolecop were lynched, they'd need to convey their result before the lynch.
The question just looked...a bit awkward and out of place, especially given 864.
In post 781, BlacleWorks wrote:I am correct. We gave 2 to 3 shots. I do not care how it may appear how I came into this knowledge. What matters is that I am correct. I don't make shit easy for scum and give out free info. Their is a reason I come off as anti-town and that is because the site meta of town play is just horrific and plays right into scum hands in any scum meta.
Site meta is so fucking horrible that you cannot avoid a day one lynch as a PR by claiming VT. On forum mafia the first lynch is supposed to be completely random and it being completely random is another way of catching scum. Because scum doesn't want to die. If its left up to chances the chances of them dying are much higher than any of us catching scum. As a matter of fact we catch scum by their slips and not by anything else. So as long as scum doesn't say anything overly scummy they won't get lynched easily. So they have a much better chance of not being lynched when it is random.
That being said. Half of you don't even know how to properly argue and retreat after a certain level of frustration which makes it very hard to read a persons alignment when you don't care for or don't know of the site meta town reads. From my perspective town reads are shoddy at best and I have a constant scum read on everyone that fluctuates. Whoever is the most scummy is the scum as far as I am concerned so please stop with the posturing its sickening. If town would simply behaves in a manner that reflects their alignment and stop trying to game each other we might be able to get some god damn where without scum being as obvious as that man we lynched yesterday.
P-Edit:
If what you believe is true please explain to me Tex Cat why is alexcellent is dead we do not have 2 to 3 shots left? Please explain to me that I am incorrect on how we have 2 to 3 shots left. Please for a second recognize that my result is the same as yours.It is only when I was asked how I came to that result that it appeared that I was wrong. Do you see that it is obvious that I would not come to that answer with the math I provided. It is clear that I am not here to play this game for you. What strikes me as odd is that if you all actually looked back and read the rules you would know that my answer is correct and would just shut the fuck up about and think. "thats odd." But nope you make the assumption about an actions intentions that you know nothing about.This is what we like to refer to as a BIAS. From here on if refuse to recognize that your an idiot for not seeing past this rouse than what you are suffering from is CONFIRMATION BIAS.
Town should not be trying to correct town. Town should be trying to correct scum because scum just might slip. You guys know I am town so please if you are not scum stop playing like scumlords. I swear it's like your all caught under the "Well if I gotta be VT might as well work on my scum game." spell.
In post 676, BlacleWorks wrote:Honestly that doesn't make any sense JK doesn't need to CC lynch this guy today. One of the people the framer told us to look at got investigated last night is likely the Cop, and Kuroi/Wgeurts is likely the mafia doc.
Guys, that's not my final conclusion. That's 1 theory while I looked at 1 person while assuming Pers was scum. I'm going through everyone one at a time, and seeing which one fits best. I'm not done yet. I moved onto Max and found some things I wanted cleared up to make a theory on him, and to see if it fit better or worse than this one. Then I was going to move onto Anen, etc. Ran out of time, going back to it after I get some time after work.In post 932, Clumsy wrote:
So, in short, under the assumption that Persivul is scum (unproven), I could see a scum team of Shotty, Pers, and Cakez.I think I'll do more of these with assumptions of different people being scum, it helps me draw associatives this way.
In post 958, Aneninen wrote:
In post 932, Clumsy wrote:So, in short, under the assumption that Persivul is scum (unproven), I could see a scum team of Shotty, Pers, and Cakez. I think I'll do more of these with assumptions of different people being scum, it helps me draw associatives this way.
