Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[Bins]

(Actually I'm tempted to vote Kappy just for killing my jokey vote by explaining it.)

take the fruit

VOTE: kappy

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zach pls take a moment and stop channeling yourself

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that was deep and sort of depressing

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To be fair id pick investigation immunity cause it's much easier to draw an investigation to you / avoid a nk than to draw a nk / try not to be investigated

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I really like my vote and don't understand why more people didn't like kappys post

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Oh I thought you were voting riddle why are you voting Zach

I LIKE MY VOTE MAN

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Just out of curiosity what does scum Dunn act like Zach

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he doesn't do things that will obviously make people want to fucking kill him

does he actively try to make people want to kill him as town cause i seem to always be getting that impression lmfao

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vanity wagon

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I would vote Lickety but people IGNORING THIS KAPPY THING (save for like ONE PERSON) IS BUGGING THE HECK OUT OF ME> S?!?!

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I would vote Lickety but people IGNORING THIS KAPPY THING (save for like ONE PERSON) IS BUGGING THE HECK OUT OF ME> S?!?!

I mean I saw Kappy and yeah he's like a little suspicious

Doesn't mean I'm going to vote the same thing as you

y did no one comment on it


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being to harsh on jokes is like the scummiest thing ever

i would know i rarely get jokes but i get them less when im scum cause im always ready to POUNCE

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i'm talking about why kappy is scum

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does anyone else see the irony in this or am i going to have to enjoy this joke by myself

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ha nerd

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no?

i'm not really hard townreading you but i'm definitely not scumreading you at this point

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you could say "notice how bins isn't considering anyone but kappy as mafia" which would be more valid

but that's just how i play the first few pages of any game i play, i tunnel someone because i find it gets a lot of reactions from people

not everything has to do with you dunn

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no, i mean

my tunneling gets reactions

i find the way people react to tunneling is much different as town and scum

not the person being tunneled

but people going "hey why are you tunneling"



and basically my read on you cant be explained for *reasons not allowed by mafiascum* but i feel i've gone through this all before so i'm just going to wait a bit before i solidify anything because i'm learning you really are just like

this

(this thing that makes people scumread you) right from the get go

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i don't think dav's logic is as bad as some people's has been

wink wink
nudge nudge

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Ok but you clearly tried to draw attention to it yourself because nobody was paying attention to you

yeah if it's not obvious i'm trying to follow my usual game plan here but some people are making it super hard

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Tbh, the only thing that would make me stray away from Kappy and on to Dunnstral rn is if you had some really good meta reason for why he's scum and could pinpoint it exactly. Even then probably not.

Other than that, I'm probably gonna like my focus to stay right where it is tyvm.

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how about the kappy push

wink wink
nudge nudge


And Lickety? Because I'd support that.

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The one I'm voting.

Those first few posts screamed louder than anything I've seen recently. I have no reason to move until I see his reaction.

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I don't see how you can call my push feeble when Transcend is very empty and I can't draw alignment from him at all at this point.

Basically, I didn't like dav's post but I didn't like other posts more. It was really just me tunneling again don't mind me making stabs and stuff. Also, I do feel like it could just be dav. And his logic didn't seem malicious.

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Eh, I shouldn't really be looking for malice right away but whatever.

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Weirded out, but not complaining.

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do you ever catch up when you just woke up and then forget everything u read

me rn

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you could say "notice how bins isn't considering anyone but kappy as mafia" which would be more valid

but that's just how i play the first few pages of any game i play,

i tunnel someone because i find it gets a lot of reactions from people

not everything has to do with you dunn

I believe the bolded is post-rationalised BS. Can you substantiate the claim that you tunneled with the intention of gaining reactions from others?

In this game? I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird. But Dunn was the only person to pick up on it.

In other games? No, cause I just started this new thing. It's been quite a while since I last played and I'm trying to redefine my playstyle.

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Too much RL stuff going on. I'm having a hard time keeping up with the quantity of posts and haven't really found a point of entry into this game.

Mod- please replace me out.

*Fist bumps transcend*

We totally did this.

we may have, then again, maybe not.

Smithereens Jun 16, 07:59am Jun 17, 05:05am 0 days 0 hours 22
Transcend Jun 16, 05:43pm Jun 17, 04:47am 0 days 0 hours 25

us.


Dunnstral Jun 16, 12:40pm Jun 17, 02:48am 0 days 2 hours 50
Bins Jun 16, 10:35am Jun 16, 10:07pm 0 days 6 hours 26
Zachstralkita Jun 16, 10:28am Jun 16, 10:01pm 0 days 7 hours 37

them.

ok but something has to be said about 5 posts in a row



I'm still happy with my Kappy vote and will move to Lickety.

Nothing much has changed.

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16.

My visceral reaction currently to all votes on Dunnstral are negative (gut), but I'm too tired for caps lock.

Basically I'm at the point where either Kappy is scum or he's just completely unaware to everything.

I don't like how he says to others "come vote with me." That doesn't seem like something town would do.

This logic has to be made up.




Side note: I got a lot of town vibes from this post.

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which post?

Your last one.

Gonna ignore Smithereens being a...oops.

I did too.

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What? Do you think I'm scum or do you just "not believe my mentality"?!

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You're going really half way with this and it's weirding me out.

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This is just the way I set up my game play for a game. I don't even care if people know. I think tunneling is better than RVS 100% in the first few pages of a game. And I made it clear I was trying to pull reactions from my tunneling. Now I'm looking to either move elsewhere or keep my vote if I like it. And I currently still like it.

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No one is a good town player. Except apparently Ranger.

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I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

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I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

Oh, yeah, I read your post but forgot to respond to it.


I'm scumreading you.

Also, I might vote you now that Kappy replaced out. Transcend stop being so scary.

But I have to go to work so you're safe for now.

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Also, Smith really threw me off. His posts are really bugging me. But only the ones about me.

So, maybe I'm just self-centered.

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I've been saying I'm scumreading / would vote you for a long time now, mate.

Also, I can't help I have to leave.

I'd rather not vote, come back to something and then have to change my mind again. Takes a lot of self-convincing to move a vote early game for me.

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RVS vote. You'll see she never gives reasons for staying with this read.

1) not rvs
2) i do
3) i'm probably gonna mad disrespect your case and not read it

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It's like you're looking for a reason to scumread her in all her posts but it's not there

ty I get this feel to

it feels forced to me

like even if i was scum youd be scumreading me for the wrong reasons

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Other people have said the reasons.

It's mainly just vibe. At least I don't go and pick apart evidence trying to find something that isn't there. A lot of your posts have bugged me. Most of which people have pointed out all ready.
I find it funny that you're pissy at me but Ranger has voted you without reason as well.

I say why I initially vote Kappy. And I further say his next few posts bug me because they feel fake and forced. That's pretty much it cause that's all he's done (I also say I don't like his Dunnstral vote).

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Also, don't tell me that saying "You just bug me" isn't enough, cause that's how you explain your reactions to posts as well:

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

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like even if i was scum youd be scumreading me for the wrong reasons

...

I don't mean anything by this but to be cheeky.

Basically "your reasons are fake."

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I don't think this is a good reason.

This is about DUNN


I'm too lazy please imagine I'm responding to everything as no

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Ranger falls into the same category as bins in that Ranger hasn't done a lick of Scum hunting and only made stances on people ie. me and that I am Scum with no reasons given.

there is quite a bit of problems with this


I don't see how you can say we aren't scumhunting. We are. That's what we're doing.

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Because I think someone is more likely to be scum than you?

Do you have no concept of the game state at all?

My read on you isn't that strong. It's there, but it's not that strong. And honestly the fact you won't shut up is making me lean toward a more neutral feeling. Stop trying to force everything, holy poops.

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My usual game plan is acting weird D1/trying to draw reactions because I hate scumhunting on D1.

I don't know how many times I have to say this.

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DROP IT SMITH

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VOTE: LQ

because if moonlogic is normal for scum LQ, all my doubt is gone

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If I have to spell it out again

MY NORMAL BEHAVIOUR IS ACTING WEIRD
I DIDNT MEAN I WAS ACTING NORMAL
I MEANT I WAS ACTING NORMAL FOR ME

GET IT? GOOD

now can we see that both Smith (mostly misunderstandings so less incriminating I think) and LQ (forced logic) are spewing nothing
ty

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What I meant by that is before my hiatus I felt I was a really passive/emotional/not strong player. I want to be more impactful. I feel like D1 is the hardest day to do that because I struggle to get reads (I rely heavily on association and wagon analysis) so my "change up" was to come out the gate stronger.

It sort of failed cause Dunn/Zach being Dunn/Zach as Dunn said but I'm still happy with my outcome.

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So, if this makes it more clear, acting weird for me is the new normal. I worded it badly, but it's not a contradiction if you listen to what I'm trying to say. I don't like dwelling on misunderstandings.

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Smith why the flying fuck aren't you voting me

I think that's why you're weirding me out so much

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What? He's acting like he's scumreading me more than anyone else, but he hasn't said it or voted me.

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What really

Oh lol

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No you're not liar

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Also, to mostly Umlaut but to also Smithereens: I'm not gonna be like "oops I made a mistake" in what I said. I stand by what I said E cause that's what I meant. And I think my explanation is perfectly clear and fine?

Umlaut, it's normal for me cause in the games I'm in a now actively have thought "pick someone, tunnel them, get reactions." It's normal for me. New, but normal. I'm sorry you're misunderstanding this but it is what I meant.

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I'm in a bad mood they forgot to give me my break

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Like no I do make mistakes and I will forgive mistakes but I didn't make a mistake this time and I think I'm making it pretty clear when I'm not

Tbh misunderstandings are more frustrating than moonlogic because I'm really trying to get you to understand here but you just arent

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forgive

I mean admit to

I do admit (and have) that I used poor wording but I explained my wording and think my explanation should be enough

I don't see how a townie mindset couldn't also be, you know, standing by what I said because I mean it? I'm not gonna back down just because of pressure

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Tldr I am stubbornly standing by what I said

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Do you ever feel like you're being really town and obvious town but people I finding weird shit about what's 'wrong' with what you post

That's why I'm pissy

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You really think Dunn and I are scum buddies?

Thats probably the worst conclusion you could make from the game so far.

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Tldr I am stubbornly standing by what I said

Ew.

Maybe this isn't why LQ said "ew", but this is exactly what Bins did before that Smithereens picked up on. It's really susupicious and shows that Bins is more interested in coming up with convincing town-alligned narratives for her behavior as opposed to just... behaving.

I know meta is gross, but if you meta me you can see that this is to a T my town game.

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Oh, I mentally answered that.

Not directly. But, yeah. From Kappy, no, cause... yeah. But from LQ and Dunn and Smith and U, etc. Yeah. I have pretty good feelings about Dunn (w/ paranoia), bad (but actually really uncertain) negative feelings about LQ. Smith and U... I think U is town and Smith weirds me out but if he genuinely thought he had voted me I feel less bad.

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LMAO I like how Bins pops in just in time to defend herself

To be fair, I just got home from work. But yeah.



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If you look up a picture of confbias in the dictionary.........
Lickety's starting to frustrate me at this point. He wasn't before because I don't care what my scumreads have to say about me. But this is pretty annoying, man.

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I find it funny my two scumreads are after me.

I suppose I learned something from that too.

And I like Ira more than Lick. He feels less forced. Actually, his "town narrative" reasons were pretty good and I can see where he's coming from. But it's not true. That's honestly just how I play. Overwhelmed town. This is me.

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To be fair, I can agree that it may be just a Kappy thing. Either way, Kappy deserves a ban like Boonskiies did that limits his games. Boonskiies was the opposite of what you're suggesting, though. He would replace out of games he was town in. How do you know Kappy's preference? I don't like using this as a reason. Too many assumptions.

I feel weird being the one defending Ira. But his posting has made me feel better about the slot, not worse.

I'll reevaluate my LQ read after work, I guess. If he wants me to explain my reasons I can probably do that as well.

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Or you could see us both being town.

Ira's vote on me was the best vote by far. His reasoning was also the least fabricated. I didn't think his jump felt opportunistic at all.

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How is your avatar bigger than 100x100?!

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Gonna post tomorrow. Been swamped.

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dav is worse than ira imo

ranger isnt a townread

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UNVOTE:


full iso-ing

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yeah I was talking about this game.

but that isn't even what i meant for this game.

i haven't gotten to it yet, killer headache.

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Sorry, gonna be partially VLA until Sunday. Out of town and wifi is worse than expected.

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It does. I think I feel the same.

I was going to vote dav after my catch-up but I do want the Riddleslot to sway me a certain way so I'm going to wait.

My iOS-ing has also led me to texcat town even though I still think Transcend had town posts.

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actaully. I changed my mind. Transcend's posts weren't that town. I just liked a few of them. Could be reach now that I'm looking back.

Will try to quote. Internet pls

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hey bins:

on a scale of 1-10

1 being, DANG THIS DUDE JUST VOTED MAFIA WE SHOULD SHEEP HIM

and 10 being, HOLY FUCK THIS GUY'S VOTE WAS BLATANT SCUM. ROPE HIM

what do you rank kappy's vote on dunnstral?

yo smith how do you feel about a kappy lynch

im feelin' it

im feelin' it reaaaaaaaaal good

Ok idk what I was saying this sounds like me scum
But it's still pretty town imo
I like the sudden shift in Transcend's tone in these posts

Just quick iOS-ing again transcend wasn't as good as I had led myself believe tho
Tbh all my town points I was giving him are on fake-able posts (see above)
I get bold like that as scum
The feelin' it real good looks sort of forced now that's I'm looking at it again

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Ugh I can't decide whether that's town or scum too sleepy

Will look again tmmr

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autocorrect bias

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Jesus Titus you think I'd actually 180 a read LIKE THAT if I was scum? Like over 4 posts all excuse meeeeeeee?

There are some things are make sense on paper but the ways we go about it change things
I don't think I'm voting transcend today
I was more doing that to justify texcats read
If that makes sense


LQ you require a bigger post and I'm using data to post rn

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Titus' theory only stands is plain farmer / ira are scum, and to be honest I don't think either of them are.

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So I feel ok.

VOTE: davsaz

I wish I could post a case, but alas I cannot. But I understand the pressure for pressure right now.

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So much of Ranger's play is trying to convince town-aligned players to change their town-aligned reads when they don't align with who she is accusing. It never goes in the opposite way, Ranger will just let it happen if there is an argument which is town-aligned on both sides.

This is a really good observation btw.

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Yeah, hold hands and circle jerk. All the major wagons are town doesn't work.

What?

I think ira and plain farmer are probably in my top 4 townreads.

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I think I'm like
if I go all Ranger

{Zach}
{Ira, Dunn, Umlaut, Smith}
{a plain farmer}
--
{texcat, Transcend/Titus}
--
{RC?} <- no good read on this slot rn
{Ranger, LQ}
{Davsaz}

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I'd put Ranger as SK, if that matters.

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ok that's all i can post today or else my data bill will rob me

posting 5 times in a row was probably the worst way to do this huh

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Bad logic does not equal scum. I've been wrong too many times by assuming that.

I feel like both you and Umlaut's push on me was genuine, just a misunderstanding. I don't think scum would of pushed that on me so hard after I was just reacting with "you're misunderstanding me". I think scum would of backed off/looked somewhere else. You didn't have any real reasons, you didn't find anymore. That looks like a bad town push, not a good scum one.

Also, I get good vibes from you. Probably a bad thing to mention but the thing you got warned for by the mod. That's something you usually only see coming from town. Scum don't stick their head like that on the chopping block, asking to have it get cut off. Calling someone retarded, stupid, etc... usually that's town, unless the situation says otherwise.

And no, I'm saying I don't feel threatened at all because I don't think Ira is guilty. Why would I admit Titus' theory is correct if I knew Ira was guilty? I said "Sure, whatever. Because Ira isn't going to flip scum, I don't feel worried about getting pressured tomorrow on association." I think I'm actually going to be spending my time analyzing this horrible push on Ira and finding scum on it.

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I was just going from Titus' assumption... of course I know I'm town no matter what. Stop not seeing where I'm coming from all the time. It's like you choose to be stubborn.

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Bins in this post says that she is scum (Titus is correct) IF plain farmer/ira are scum.

That's not what I'm saying.

Of course that's not what I'm saying.

Jesus.

Why is it when we play this game people lose common sense when reading posts?

I'm saying I won't blame the association tells IF they flip scum. But I don't think they will, so I'm not worried about Titus' logic. Nothing more than that.

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worried is a bad word

i was just trying to say titus' logic was weak and only based on association
the only way those tells stand is if plain farmer or ira flip scum
and i want to make clear that im not scumreading these guys
which makes sense CAUSE IM NOT SCUM

do you see where I'm coming from now
ok good

thank you smith
for being so frustrating to deal with
use your head

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and duh i'm worried about titus' moon logic

if they flip scum i'm going to get lynched

and that's bad

WHY IS IT
that people think
being lynched as town is something not to worry about

of course im worried about being lynched off association
you shouldnt be ok with being lynched as town

titus' logic will lead her to the conclusion that im scum IF they flip scum
which yeah may "worry" me (it doesnt cause i dont think theyre scum)

i dont want to get lynched as town
i dont like getting scumread as town

its antitown to not fight scumreads on you
its antitown to be ok with getting lynched

jesus why is it like all
standard now to act apathetic and not worried as town

GETTING LYNCHED AS TOWN MEANS YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG or your town is stupid AND YOU NEED TO WORK TO CONVINCE THEM OTHERWIESE

/meta rant

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Why aren't you not worried about Titus' logic because you're town? If you're town you'd know that Titus is full of shit, but you've actually credited her logic as being sound...

that is re: this statement

i dont know why nowadays its like

worried about getting lynched = scum

i get worried about false logic lynching me YEAH

are you saying you wouldnt get all panties in a knot if someone was like "oh yeah smith is scum cause they smell funny" and then you got lynched

heasjkdhaskjdhaskjd ashdas jdn

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no

Smith

I KNOW TITUS THINKS SHE'S CORRECT

I'm trying to get it from her angle. From her POV.

I just think you're moonlogicing again. You're not actually objectively trying to see my point.

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that explosive reaction is unnecessary if you know you're innocent

this is exactly my point


i'm not trying to convince myself

i'm trying to convince you

i get it
i know i'm town blah blah

but you don't
titus doesn't

that's the angle im coming from

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jesus the "if you know you're town you wouldn't _____" argument is so fucking stupid

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To be fair to you dav, you should be on the same line as my other scumreads. That was a mistake by me.

I would probably (he's not going to like this, but I was getting to it) would still prefer an LQ wagon. Maybe even a Ranger wagon.

But I did need to vote.

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ok at least i'm not the only one seeing this wee

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ok at least i'm not the only one seeing this wee

???

what i've been saying

that smith is crazy

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ok at least i'm not the only one seeing this wee

???

what i've been saying

that smith is crazy

Why crazy and not scum?

I explained it like 3 posts ago. To him.

And I have other reasons to townread him.

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idk how to say it better but ira is town and i would prefer it if we took the time to explore other options

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dav or ranger preferably

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sorry LQ but i really do struggle D1
a lot of things people see that come from scum i also see coming from town that's why D1 is always the fucking hardest

you want me to make a case for my read on you but it really is mostly bad vibes and good vibes out of certain posts
if i were to take your posts and be like "this logic is flawed" that doesn't really show that you're town or scum
or "i don't see this coming from scum" is sort of a weak argument D1

so pretty much i can't give you a case but after D1 we have associations and it gets a lot fucking easier for me

i can't just fake bs like some people convince themselves of
that's moonlogic

D1 my reads are mostly just gut
you aren't going to see me struggling to fool myself


pedit - lmfao i had this reply ready cause i know what you had to say

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ira has made some really fucking town posts tho so if we could regroup and shit that'd be cool

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basically the way i have everyone organized rn is not a scale of town --> scum
it's "can this person be scum?" and then ranking them on whose most likely out of all the town posts theyve made

ira is up on this scale like he's made a good amount of town posts that i really don't see it coming from scum
i could be wrong but then there's people like dav and ranger when i ISO and they have made 0 town posts and i think you can see that

you're null and slightly down because i can see your posts coming from scum easily
that doesn't mean youre scummy it just means you havent vibed town enough to me

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ok and you're just not even going to listen to what i have to say

that's sort of ridiculous

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You were so certain I was Scum

you still havent done anything town

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HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU QUOTES OF SOMETHING I'M JUST CLAIMING ISN'T THERE


are you fucking with me now

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ok imagine i quote your entire ISO

you imagining that

GOOD

and under it i write

"and see here, a whole bunch of posts that could of come from scum and nothing town motivated."

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are you fucking kidding me you don't see another wagon happening at this point man i could smack ya

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ok since it's twilight i aint gonna commit much for fear of effort and then the thread being locked and my dreams being crushed


but titus is town
that's my only new revelation

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VOTE: ranger

pedit- less wait more do

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randomly this is sort of where i stand

i wanna look at the ira wagon but i do think a lot of people on it were just being stubborn

also ugh that "hammer" i really wanted to start a ranger wagon

which reminds me what the fuck LQ did you mean by nothing else was going to happen!? how was nothing going to happen... jdsakdsa

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hmmm NKA is sort of good here because who the fuck would kill dunnstral

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I don't think the N1 kill would be WIFOM at this point but I think it's good to look at what people even thought of Dunn as a possible NK here

wink wink
nudge nudge

but not just for me here. there are other people who wouldn't of been like "oh yeah guys dunn is so essential town in my eyes!"

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I didn't even think Dunn was THAT town in comparison to others by the end of the day : /

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Man I wouldn't fucking kill Dunn but I said that wasn't my point anyways

and I'm saying the opposite I wanna look at who saw Dunn as some sort of town blocky obvtown not at his reads

i suppose theres an argument for maybe 3 doctors? eh

ok I guess now that I think of it Dunn was more obvtown than .. most

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Don't forget i'm spicing things up day 2

He may have been trying to bait the NK. Goodnight sweet prince.

a tru hero

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By the way, Zach, your play reminds me of a couple of other ICs.
Named Fire Hermit and pistachi0n.
You'll understand what I mean after N1.

this post jeeeeesus

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actually maybe that's a good thing for ranger would scum be that obvious? fuck

i'm half awake and i'm quad posting call me tmmr


pedit - she means you're useless so scum won't kill you

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The post Zach quoted did make me suspect Dunn for a PR, but I also thought a PR wouldn't actually post something like that. His reads were not all that correct (his most consistent scumreads seemed to be ira and I). And he did seem to be mostly townread. I had him as a town-lean.

ok but like dunn sort of has that vibe to him that hes sort of the kind of guy to obviously hint at the fact he's a PR cause he ate too much sugar

I could do Farmer...

farmer is town

i dont get the towniest vibe from his tone but his votes have been town
and he isn't giving off an sk vibe

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sure titus but this might change after i few isos

zach is king
titus, texcat, smith
plain farmer, umlaut

RC

davesaz, LQ, ranger



something like that
was gonna post short sentences but really just ask that'd be better i think

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actually plain farmer should be up with everyone else

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Why the heck am I so low?

you haven't done anything to warrant yourself a townread yet man don't be so surprised you're null af

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your ira vote was so disgusting idk how to read it


pedit - i'm not sure what you mean?

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I don't like the conclusions that he comes to, but I believe they come from a town-ish mindset. Like the Bins interaction

yeah pretty much that

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Question: Bins, Dunnstral, do you guys have history?

can't talk about it fam so i'll just say no but I know his play

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are you seriously making a vote d2 over the first 5 pages of the game or am i incorrect

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town don't become scum because they get things wrong.

then why were you surprised when i said i wasn't scumreading you?!?!

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town don't become scum because they get things wrong.

then why were you surprised when i said i wasn't scumreading you?!?!

I explained this already:

If you know you're town, your mindset should be that I'm fabricating an elaborate reason to get you killed from malicious intent. I've actually made a good case against you and you should believe if you're town that I'm simply desperate to get you lynched. Ergo getting town read from you doesn't make sense, because it's like you're admitting that I'm actually correct in saying you're scum.

What? You just contradicted yourself?

I don't think you're maliciously fabricating reasons. I think you're just wrong.

That contradiction was pretty bad, though.

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Are you listening to yourself?!

You're saying town should scum read people who make cases on the.

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Why should I be scumreading you if I'm town? Shouldn't I be town reading you because you're town? The only reason it'd make sense to be scum reading you is if you were, you know, scum.

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Smith's recent posts have been fucking horrible, I get it. That makes me happy. But I really, really, REALLY think Ranger is scum with all my heart now after a reread.

I'd go Ranger > LQ > Dav, imo.


Yeah, yeah.

"Bins, how can Ranger and LQ be scum together?"

Like I said, I really think Ranger is throwing SK vibes up into the air. And I'd honestly concede my LQ scumread a lil' bit if Ranger flips scum. That may just be a bitter grudge.

This whole telling me that I'm town thing (like she's talking at me about it, not telling you guys) is really fucking weird. It's like she wants me to know I townread her so I won't lynch her (which is impressive because I really do fall for getting sucked up to as town).

I think ira was fucking spot on with his points about her. Let's go.

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I said a lil' bit.

I don't want to say this out loud (LQ will fucking jump me) but I'm sort of gating my LQ scumread for other reasons as well.

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Feels like maybe she's an LQ partner who wants to use a ranger townflip as an excuse to not vote lQ.

That doesn't make any sense I said a Ranger SCUM FLIP.

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Of course I'll gate my LQ scum read a little if Ranger flips MAFIA. Do you really think those guys could be buddies? Seems like one of the less likely things in the game.

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crumbing / hinting at all in this setup is stupid

but no i wasn't so ok

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VLA until Monday

I won't have anyway of posting at all.

I'm not even going to bother unvoting because why would I at this point.

Just, don't do something stupid like lynch plain farmer.

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I'm back but not caught up weeee

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VOTE: texact

Cuz I feel like texact is all whine and LQ is spewing.

Let me be clear: I would be blacklisting Ranger if they turn out to be Town and pre assigning a Scum read on me without looking at anything I do.

Jesus not explaining a read as reason for a blacklist man

Tbh LQ's reaction here is so frustratedly ignorant it's probably town
What kind of scum defends himself this way

If you are town man you're gonna realize that not having a case isn't scummy and having a case doesn't clear you. Like you've made cases and had reasons but they've been shit sooooooo... what's really better here? Gut is a valid reason. Tone is a valid reason. I feel for Ranger at this point even tho she isn't clear.

UNVOTE:
Looking at Tex tomorrow

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Because if you know you're town, and you are actually behaving the way I say you are, then that behavior is ipso facto townish from your perspective, so it's kind of dumb to suspect me for calling it townish when it actually is.

Pretty sure this is a logical fallacy. Forget the name of it though.

She can only be gf, SK, or town.

And I have gone on record to say I would NEVER, EVER choose investigation immune over bulletproof as a serial killer. Because, you know...I'm

Ranger

. I tend to get nightkilled a lot...even as scum. So, not a serial killer, aside from the obvious lack of second nightkill. Also, one reason I love this setup? It is very much easily broken with simple logistics. We know there's an absolute maximum of 5-Ts, so the only possible iterations where I'd be a Godfather are {0 T, 1 T, 2 T, 5 T}. Of those, half have a serial killer. A lack of second nightkill indicates a lack of one. Leaving the only possible setups where I'd be a Godfather as {0 T, 2 T}. Time will tell with those, as will time tell with a lack of a serial killer. (Which is an assumption at this point.)

Of course, strictly speaking, objectively, there's the option I'd be scum with Titus, but in that case, lynch Titus first. Regardless, that pretty much tells you that I'm town. Titus is town. So lynch scum.

I actually like this defence.

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Prediction : plain farmer is just gonna be the Ira of d2

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Zach please how is LQ town

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I'm a very in the moment player and most of my reads come from engaging with people.

HOW CAN YOU JUST
WHEN THIS

IS
FUCK
MAN

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How can you be like "oh you need a case" — man all my fucking reads come from engaging with people. And now you say this. How can you not understand where I'm coming from then?!
If I start putting in effort, making elaborate readlists, doing crazy VCA, I'm probably scum looking for ways to find reasoning.

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I think gut is stronger than actually evidence sometimes. Gut is a stronger reason sometimes than quoting posts and being like "this is wrong and scummy because this sort of thing blah blah comes from scum." No fuck that scum fake things. Scum can't fuck with how they make my gut feel.

My problem with LQ is that he's being so ignorant I can't even possibly see how scum would pull this shit but then he does this and I'm just speechless again.

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Yeah I definitely agree

One of the scum wouldn't be so fucking stupid and draw attention to themself LIKE THAT

but Ranger said that was an LQ thing that LQ does so maybe I'll actually meta

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I did ISO you... I just never made a post about it and I explained my reasons for that. I said it would be pointless because my read on you is just based on how I don't like your posts. But your posts as a whole are too ridiculous to be scum. And yeah, what Ranger says is the golden word here but it still holds weight. If everything she says is going to be discredited by you why even read her posts? That logic is completely faulty... again.

I don't want to lynch Ranger now until we have more info on the setup. Sure, Dav, maybe Ranger and Titus are both scum and Ranger is GF, but I don't really see how Titus would think Cop was a safe claim. Also, I don't think that's a scum play at all. Titus is town.

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*isn't the golden word

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There is a setup possibility where a scum Titus knows there isn't a cop, or at least strongly suspects there isn't one. In that case I could see her faking an inno for the town cred. However this possibility is more than balanced by my previous experiences with Titus. This game matches her PR meta, in fact she played the claim very similar to the way she played it in the last C9++ game we were both in. As a one-shot, once the ability is used there is no reason not to reveal it, and she tried to lay a trap with it and using a trap matches the last game exactly (she was a doc in the other game and used a different kind of trap). If it is a fake it won't last to LYLO because in that case the possible setups with a 1-shot will hopefully have been eliminated by that point.

There were multiple people suspicious of Ranger. The main question is not so much why choose Ranger, but why use the ability on N1 when it's likely that the target could be NK'd and the shot could be saved for another more scummy target. The answer to that is multifold -- she replaced into a scummy slot so there was real danger of falling into a lynch before the ability could be used, and Ranger is a player who you want to catch with a guilty early. Are there other targets? Sure, but that kind of second guessing can wait until postgame.

All in all it looks like a true claim. But neither is conftown.

This post reads so weird to me. Don't know if I like it or not.

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Sorry, been pretty busy with work (unfortunately).

LQ, do you not like a Smith lynch?

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LQ, do you not like a Smith lynch?

ironic

please answer

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I'm not getting lynched just because you flip town or scum, lmfao.

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How do you sense fear from that!? I think he's being hilarious. Opposite of scared.

Also, I don't like getting lynched as any alignment. That's why Smith's post bugs me.

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LQ is just one of those players thays convinced himself his Spidey senses are strong.

Which is funny because apparently WHEN I HAVE GUT REACTIONS it's baseless.

Or he's scum!

Pedit - this game is black and white. You're either scum or not. What are you going on about some sort of spectrum of suggestions. Of course I'm going to say I'm town. Nah, I'm only 80% town. Sorry!

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Hey, Smith. I think you're scum. What do you want to say in response to that? What's that? "I'm town"? WOW.

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I'm actually starting to get a townread on Ranger even without the innocent (as in, I'm not as worried about GF, etc). Titus is still town.

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I don't at all like that you are cherry picking what you respond to while we converse. It looks extremely avoidant.

Because it is?

Like.

She totally gets me.

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I really need to pick who to vote ugh :/

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C'mon, don't be that nickypickyicky.

texcat / dav interactions are interesting. That said so are a lot of current interactions. I think we get one lynch and we nail the team easy.

hmmmmmmmHMMMM

still thinking. it'll come to me in a dream.

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So many people with super strong reads on other people and they're all different. Not sure if this is good or frustrating.

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I was being hypothetical to argue your point. I do like you a lot less now, though.

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I haven't addressed really any of my last 'points' at you, so I don't know why you're talking as if you're being scum hunted here. What actually are you talking about?

I was talking about how your logic was flawed when you were talking about my opposite perspective or something. I don't even know what you were saying.

You're like the same as LQ. Bad logic. Can't figure out if that's scum. I like it a lot less now just because I have a lot more townreads and you are no longer top of my town list. PoE is killing ya man. Do something town before I stop respecting Zach's input.

I think I've organized everyone in two groups. Town and I Don't Know How To Read Whatever The Fuck It Is They're Doing.

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A few points on LQ

• Two posts made from a scum POV. Whether you call them slips or not, they still come from a scum mentality. First says that Ranger can't know his alignment. (Does not say "Unless Ranger is scum she can't know my alignment.") Second, claims that the N0 guilty on him is wrong because there was no N0. (Does not say it's wrong because he is innocent.)
  
• Hammers Ira in spite of not liking the wagon
  
• Consistently worried about the votes on him. Repeatedly asks Bins and others to explain their vote on him.

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to conclude with these points. Do you think LQ is scum?

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Everyone has got to know by now that this game is filled by really hard players to read. This can be seen by the crazy differing reads (obvscum or obvtown to some people). I'm currently flipflopping between everything because I can't figure anything out. All I know is that at this point scum is definitely using bad logic (because so many people are at this point...), I'm no longer going to townread people for just that (honestly, I don't know if I should of been in the first place).

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Btw, did some ISOs. Reads have changed a lot.

{Zach}
{Titus}
{Ranger}
--
{Umlaut} -- where did he go tho?
--
{APF}
==
{davsaz}
--
{RC, Smith}
{LQ, tex}
---

Game is working a lot more by PoE than I thought it would.


I feel comfortable pushing people in the bottom two rows. I want to see their reactions before I say "I feel comfortable lynching these ____". I also know if we hit scum in the bottom row this game is pretty much solved, imo. This lynch is important.

VOTE: Smithereens

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Ira's use of "-aligned" is quirky but NAI. Here's a game of his in which he's town, and he does it there, too.

But aside from that, he doesn't look in this game like the town ira of that game. In Mini 1777, he looks looser, less concerned with appearances, and less prone to doubt-casting.

How so?

Mostly on their end, but you get some really icky posts like 620 from texcat. 622 as well.

So, 578, 796, and 801 are bad for tex? I don't know about the LQ interaction, but if Ira's scum meta is to defend his partners then you might have a point.

I prefer dave. It's mostly gut though.

VOTE: davesaz

It may be weak, but the main reason I'm townreading APF is his D1 stance on Ira.

I don't see why scum would of distanced themselves from the wagon. It was such an easy lynch. For APF to not only null a point on Ira and then to go after Dav instead seems really town to me.

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Sorry for like posting a bajillion times in a row. My multiquote feature is broken and I'm too lazy to do everything manually.

I don't know who it was, but I agree with whoever pointed out that RC doesn't really seem like he's actively trying to fool everyone. Other than that RC hasn't really been impressionable on me (which, I guess, is the point they were trying to make). I'd like to hear more from Titus.

I'd also like to hear a lot more from Ranger about LQ. Especially since I think she's town now, I want to ease my mind about that read.

Sorry if I sound really serious right now lol. I'm really fucking tired and I wanna get a few posts out to get discussion re-vamped.

I'm willing to look back at Smithereens, but before I put in that effort to start my weekend, what's the case?

^ I don't like this post. I just ended a game where this is literally all scum said.

This is also what I mean by association. I could see a {dav, Smith} scum team. And LQ being in there would make sense as well. I think those are my lynch choices for today.

texcat - I HATE his recent posts. Pretty much the most reactionary (I mean, posts that have given me a reaction) posts I've read all game. I have no reason to townread him other than his SLIGHT tone but that's it. Other than that I can see all of his posts coming from scum. Not sure if I'm as near confident about this read compared to the others tho.

pedit - That isn't a readslist, sorry. I mean it's a lynch priority list. If that makes sense. Anyways, I haven't done a readslist in a while. I was strong townreading you because you made ONE POST that I didn't think scum would ever make (which is not a strong reason now that I think about it because I tend to cuss people out more as scum). It's D2 now and you have nothing town on you.

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pedit - That isn't a readslist, sorry. I mean it's a lynch priority list. If that makes sense. Anyways, I haven't done a readslist in a while. I was strong townreading you because you made ONE POST that I didn't think scum would ever make (which is not a strong reason now that I think about it because I tend to cuss people out more as scum). It's D2 now and you have nothing town on you.

Also, a lot of people are now stronger townreads. For different reasons. I can't label you as bad town forever just because you're death tunneling me, unfortunately. The only reason I townread people who deathtunnel is, well, because town is usual the one to death tunnel me. I tend to scare scum off with my emotion and long stream of posts. I'm not lynch bait and scum don't try to lynch me.

But you (and LQ) are both unaware of my play, so I'm gonna assume you don't know that. You AREN'T going to get a lynch on me.


I'd like you to make comments on other people if you really are town. Talk about you're opinions on the other possible wagons and maybe I'll settle for something else.

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Why are you scumreading me?

PoE, you haven't done anything town.

You haven't really done anything bad either, though. I don't want to lynch you today. You are just bottom of the pile for now because I don't have a concrete read on you and by D2 that freaks me.

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I think those are my lynch choices for today.

Sorry, rereading. I didn't mean to include dav in this. I don't really want to lynch him today.

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Why are you scumreading me?

PoE, you haven't done anything town.

You haven't really done anything bad either, though. I don't want to lynch you today. You are just bottom of the pile for now because I don't have a concrete read on you and by D2 that freaks me.

were you expecting to have a concrete read on me? cuz you shouldn't.

Uh... I was hoping to? But you're right, I can't say I have a strong read on you. But you're not a townread.

I'm willing to look back at Smithereens, but before I put in that effort to start my weekend, what's the case?

^ I don't like this post. I just ended a game where this is literally all scum said.

Did you look at whether I was doing things other than making the quoted post? (the fact I'm asking should be a hint )

Does kinda make me wonder whether anyone replied, so thanks for that at least.

Sorry, my point wasn't that you said that to dodge activity or anything. It was literally the way it was worded and what it means in association to Smith. Wasn't that bad, though, you're right. But it stood out to me as a good association tell. Trying to form scumteams at this point.

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BECAUSE I'M CHANNELING OBVTOWN SO HARD LQ
SO HARD

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Being!? I'm making an honest effort to wear my towniness on my shoulder this game.

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I think that these wagons may actually be SvS but I still prefer Smithereens wagon to a great extent.

really?

yeah maybe




and hefty maths umlaut but you should pick a wagon that is actually happening

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i can't defend against a tex wagon tho so yeah RC is right

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what about dav Zach

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but he's a possible lynch & what do you think about it

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Only 1 day 5 hours.

VOTE: Smithereens

why would you move from the bigger wagon... that you were on... to the smaller wagon...

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VOTE: texcat

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go back

let's move this forward

im not going to be here when DL hits

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i was considering dav

but i really dont like the idea of a dav lynch

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I'm taking a break from mafia.
Swear to god, if ONE little time of things going wrong causes me to be unable to keep up with my games

this badly

, this consistently, I'm clearly in no shape to play.
I need to sleep. I'm confirmed town this game, so you can't exactly lynch me for not contributing, meaning I do need to contribute. Just...not tonight.

i can't lynch you for not contributing but you need to take some more stances and vote so we dont have a last minute wagon


well any thing we lynch at this point is gonna be last minute

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actually dav is prob scum here now lmao

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tex do YOU prefer dav still


how much of the smith vote is a save myself vote

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Only 1 day 5 hours.

VOTE: Smithereens

why would you move from the bigger wagon... that you were on... to the smaller wagon...

like this vote doesnt make sense at all unless dav is seeing something we arent seeing

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eh maybe i'd wait for a claim


i dont caaare

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nah tex wagon is better looking at it


all the people except RC voting it are doing it cause they dont like the other options
more people on texcat actually think he's scum

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Smithereens has been prodded, he 24 hours to post before being replaced

damn he's getting replaced too




do i want a hammer without a claim
when there is only one person on the wagon who actually prefers this lynch


think logically here town pls

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nah Zach unvoted


can you answer my question dav

why did you move to Smith

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really unclear on any of your reads / stances rn dav

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actually Zach prefers you

do you think texcat and Smith are scum together?

pedit - because i wanted someone who could actually claim and the composition of the smith wagon is stupid. it's full of people who would rather vote you or APF or even texcat.

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i'm really upset at the state of the game right now if you can't tell.

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both you and umlaut have taken the "i dont care who i vote between the two!" stance and it isn't helpful

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Ranger wants LQ and Tex.
LicketyQuickety wants me and dav I guess
Smithereens wants... where the fuck is Smith?
a plain farmer... where the fuck is APF?
Ümläüt wants dav.
Bins wants LQ dammit so now she's stuck in this mess
Radiant Cowbells wants Smith
Zachstralkita wants APF > dav > smith > tex
Titus wants tex.
davesaz wants tex OR Smith. More like NOT TO DIE.
texcat wants dav? Smith? Not to die?


who has the scummiest stance rn

it's YOU dav

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i just want a good lynch not a bad lynch i think thats the best stance

pedit - ...

ok got it man thats all ya needed to say

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|: ah fk man i shouldva trusted my gut

im too flaily close to DL

remind me to always settle on lynches early

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we back in business babeeeee