Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[LicketyQuickety]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

[davesaz]

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

If we were 2-3 days into the phase (and therefore more material available) this might hold water, but we don't even have a post from everyone yet.

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

Having a conversation on it is good.
I didn't say you shouldn't ask, I said your stated reason for not liking it (too easy) is weak at that point in the game.
What do I get from it? I see whether Dunn or others panic at the suggestion he's scum.
The whole point of the game is to accuse people and see what they do.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

If we were 2-3 days into the phase (and therefore more material available) this might hold water, but we don't even have a post from everyone yet.

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

Having a conversation on it is good.
I didn't say you shouldn't ask, I said your stated reason for not liking it (too easy) is weak at that point in the game.
What do I get from it? I see whether Dunn or others panic at the suggestion he's scum.
The whole point of the game is to accuse people and see what they do.

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

[Bins]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

Oh, yeah, I read your post but forgot to respond to it.


I'm scumreading you.

Also, I might vote you now that Kappy replaced out. Transcend stop being so scary.

But I have to go to work so you're safe for now.

[Bins]

Also, Smith really threw me off. His posts are really bugging me. But only the ones about me.

So, maybe I'm just self-centered.

[Ümläüt]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

I've played in a few games where a suspected player gets replaced and everyone decides to give the replacement a break, only for him to turn out to be scum. Trying to avoid that by making sure the replacement is under pressure immediately.

What do you think about Lickety?

Forming an opinion now....

Hard to read, but leaning town. Mostly he's just complaining about people doing dumb shit

*cough*Dunn*cough*

, which is pointless because it doesn't stop them from doing dumb shit and it fills the thread with garbage. But when he's actually doing something it seems to come from the right place, i.e. 101 which I agree with; that was a pretty low-quality and implausible accusation by Dave.

[LicketyQuickety]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

Oh, yeah, I read your post but forgot to respond to it.


I'm scumreading you.

Also, I might vote you now that Kappy replaced out. Transcend stop being so scary.

But I have to go to work so you're safe for now.

I don't like this play. Dropping a scum read, saying they might vote it and then leaving the thread.

[Bins]

I've been saying I'm scumreading / would vote you for a long time now, mate.

Also, I can't help I have to leave.

I'd rather not vote, come back to something and then have to change my mind again. Takes a lot of self-convincing to move a vote early game for me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I've been saying I'm scumreading / would vote you for a long time now, mate.

Also, I can't help I have to leave.

I'd rather not vote, come back to something and then have to change my mind again. Takes a lot of self-convincing to move a vote early game for me.

What's the reasoning behind the scumread on me?

[LicketyQuickety]

I've been saying I'm scumreading / would vote you for a long time now, mate.

Also, I can't help I have to leave.

I'd rather not vote, come back to something and then have to change my mind again. Takes a lot of self-convincing to move a vote early game for me.

What's the reasoning behind the scumread on me?

the Kappy thing is Null.

[davesaz]

vanity wagon

Vote transcend

Reason?

Hmmm asking his scumread why to vote someone. Not sure what to make of it, probably dismissing it as null.

At this point all reads are weak. I have reason to suspect him and want to see what my vote will provoke, but need more info. The request for votes seems rather empty, so I was trying to probe if there was a reason behind it that I just didn't see.

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

"yo dave... dude.... i don't really like your vote lol... i think ur scummy i fos u lol....


oh, but riddleton was last to confirm his role he's gotta eat rope lol... ha"

i feel like if you were scum you'd probably make more of a push on dave than you did here. i think your fos here is justified, i think you should've thrown a vote his way or something, but it is what it is.

I often see scum do a dance around people just like what LQ did. Cast a little suspicion, wait till someone agrees, then sheep the case the other person makes.
The followup dialogue with LQ makes me doubt he's scum, but still got my eye on him.

[LicketyQuickety]

vanity wagon

Vote transcend

Reason?

Hmmm asking his scumread why to vote someone. Not sure what to make of it, probably dismissing it as null.

At this point all reads are weak. I have reason to suspect him and want to see what my vote will provoke, but need more info. The request for votes seems rather empty, so I was trying to probe if there was a reason behind it that I just didn't see.

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

"yo dave... dude.... i don't really like your vote lol... i think ur scummy i fos u lol....


oh, but riddleton was last to confirm his role he's gotta eat rope lol... ha"

i feel like if you were scum you'd probably make more of a push on dave than you did here. i think your fos here is justified, i think you should've thrown a vote his way or something, but it is what it is.

I often see scum do a dance around people just like what LQ did.

Cast a little suspicion, wait till someone agrees, then sheep the case the other person makes.

The followup dialogue with LQ makes me doubt he's scum, but still got my eye on him.

There is no evidence to support that that is what I'm doing. Casting shade much? Very noncommittal read. Basically you are leaving yourself open to jump on board my wagon if one occurs.

[davesaz]

There is no evidence to support that that is what I'm doing. Casting shade much? Very noncommittal read. Basically you are leaving yourself open to jump on board my wagon if one occurs.

The purpose of my post was to tell Transcend not to use "FOS without vote" by itself as AI.
I'm very open about early reads being noncommittal, and always am. I even said it myself...

At this point all reads are weak.

[LicketyQuickety]

There is no evidence to support that that is what I'm doing. Casting shade much? Very noncommittal read. Basically you are leaving yourself open to jump on board my wagon if one occurs.

The purpose of my post was to tell Transcend not to use "FOS without vote" by itself as AI.
I'm very open about early reads being noncommittal, and always am. I even said it myself...

At this point all reads are weak.

transcend can answer for himself but I see no indication that he doesn't understand how a FoS works. So even if its the case that you are explaining that to him, its unneeded info. On the flip side of the coin, you could be creating a strawman for arguing something that doesn't have anything to do with what my argument is.

And I know you said your reads are weak early, I can read. But this dismisses the point that I said you could be waiting to see who jumps on my wagon, which you never talked about. The fact that you choose to argue that your reads are weak rather than arguing that you are not just seeing who jumps on my wagon is telling.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Kappy

[LicketyQuickety]

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

If we were 2-3 days into the phase (and therefore more material available) this might hold water, but we don't even have a post from everyone yet.

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

Having a conversation on it is good.
I didn't say you shouldn't ask, I said your stated reason for not liking it (too easy) is weak at that point in the game.
What do I get from it? I see whether Dunn or others panic at the suggestion he's scum.
The whole point of the game is to accuse people and see what they do.

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

[a plain farmer]

Transcend seems townier today.

UNVOTE:

Ranger's readlists seem rather stratified. I'd like for her to point out some of the distinctions that resulted in her being able to define 8 different tiers. But for now it seems arbitrary. I'm not sure why Dunn was moved up to the same tier as the conftown, and I don't see anything Riddleton's done to be put in the tier below that.

Of the major wagons right now:
Dunnstral: I'm leaning town on him atm. It doesn't hurt that Zach doesn't seem alarmed by him.
Lickety: He seems like stubborn town.
Kappy: I'm a little bit more concerned aboutt his slot. 221 seems like over-rationalization.

{Ranger, Bins, Smithereeeens}

What does this mean?

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

I've played in a few games where a suspected player gets replaced and everyone decides to give the replacement a break, only for him to turn out to be scum. Trying to avoid that by making sure the replacement is under pressure immediately.

But pressure isn't really pressure unless you actually scumread the slot. So do you scumread the slot?

[davesaz]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

[LicketyQuickety]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

Why didn't you notice it? Sometimes who does what? "and others" I was asking you not others.

[davesaz]

Ranger's readlists seem rather stratified. I'd like for her to point out some of the distinctions that resulted in her being able to define 8 different tiers. But for now it seems arbitrary. I'm not sure why Dunn was moved up to the same tier as the conftown, and I don't see anything Riddleton's done to be put in the tier below that.

Ranger's read lists tend to be relative. The top tier is townier than the bottom, but it should not be read as conftown, nor is the bottom tier necessarily a scumread. She usually keeps it unlabelled for a while.

[a plain farmer]

Zach is conftown though.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach is conftown though.

Yeah Ranger placing Dunnstrall on the same tier as me is marginally disrupting these frequencies

[davesaz]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

Why didn't you notice it? Sometimes who does what? "and others" I was asking you not others.

1. Because it came in while I was posting a reply to an earlier post. I hit preview to verify the tags on what I wrote but didn't notice another new post had come in. After that point it was no longer new, so when I hit the "new posts" icon for the thread it positioned at a later point. Before you get snippy about this, I never lie about RL things like the mechanics of how I read threads and post.

2. Sometimes the target panics, sometimes they don't.

3. I previously said that I want to see what the target does, and what others do. It's interesting to see who ignores it, who agrees with it, and who overreacts. (that would be you btw)

4. Why are you taking such an interest in an exchange that doesn't affect you? (I think I know the answer and I'm not scumreading you atm, but still interested in what you actually say)

Pedit @farmer: Yeah, once in a while there is an exception to the "Ranger's reads are relative" rule.

Pedit2: And slip ups like that can be a scumtell for Ranger, if indeed it is a slip. She makes a point of doing the read list thing as either alignment. Caution though, I hard scumread her for unnaturally strong town reads in a previous game and she turned up town... gonna want a reason for them being in the same tier, and a good one.

[Zachstralkita]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

Why didn't you notice it? Sometimes who does what? "and others" I was asking you not others.

1. Because it came in while I was posting a reply to an earlier post. I hit preview to verify the tags on what I wrote but didn't notice another new post had come in. After that point it was no longer new, so when I hit the "new posts" icon for the thread it positioned at a later point. Before you get snippy about this, I never lie about RL things like the mechanics of how I read threads and post.

2. Sometimes the target panics, sometimes they don't.

3. I previously said that I want to see what the target does, and what others do. It's interesting to see who ignores it, who agrees with it, and who overreacts. (that would be you btw)

4. Why are you taking such an interest in an exchange that doesn't affect you? (I think I know the answer and I'm not scumreading you atm, but still interested in what you actually say)

Pedit @farmer: Yeah, once in a while there is an exception to the "Ranger's reads are relative" rule.

Pedit2: And slip ups like that can be a scumtell for Ranger, if indeed it is a slip. She makes a point of doing the read list thing as either alignment. Caution though, I hard scumread her for unnaturally strong town reads in a previous game and she turned up town... gonna want a reason for them being in the same tier, and a good one.

Nope Ranger just basically called Dunn 100% town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

Why didn't you notice it? Sometimes who does what? "and others" I was asking you not others.

1. Because it came in while I was posting a reply to an earlier post. I hit preview to verify the tags on what I wrote but didn't notice another new post had come in. After that point it was no longer new, so when I hit the "new posts" icon for the thread it positioned at a later point. Before you get snippy about this, I never lie about RL things like the mechanics of how I read threads and post.

2. Sometimes the target panics, sometimes they don't.

3. I previously said that I want to see what the target does, and what others do. It's interesting to see who ignores it, who agrees with it, and who overreacts. (that would be you btw)

4.

Why are you taking such an interest in an exchange that doesn't affect you?

(I think I know the answer and I'm not scumreading you atm, but still interested in what you actually say)

Pedit @farmer: Yeah, once in a while there is an exception to the "Ranger's reads are relative" rule.

Pedit2: And slip ups like that can be a scumtell for Ranger, if indeed it is a slip. She makes a point of doing the read list thing as either alignment. Caution though, I hard scumread her for unnaturally strong town reads in a previous game and she turned up town... gonna want a reason for them being in the same tier, and a good one.

Fair enough. This was a good response and makes me feel a little better about you.

4) I am taking an interest in what doesn't involve me because this particular thing caught my eye and I think its good to investigate it. I do not, however, even notice everything that is going on in games and if I'm being honest, I miss a lot actually.