Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[Postie]

Hey guys!

@mod

- I uh... need my role PM.

[Postie]

I'm confirmed town this game,

Someone explain this to me while I catch up.

[Postie]

So Ranger

isn't

conftown?

[Postie]

What the fuck.


What. The. Fuck.

[Postie]

I'll try and get some catch-up stuff in before threadlock.
In case I inexplicably die - LQ is town. RC is probably also town but I have no idea why.

[Postie]

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

This feels mildly towny. I like the needliness of the questions and the paranoia in the last sentence.

Anyways, I have a town read on you for really no reason.

I have a scum read on you for a number of reasons and my giving you a town read

for no reason, which I stated

is part of that.

"So person X is town. I have no idea why. Wait. I can't just give them a free pass when I don't know why I'm townreading them, can I?" - been there as town. As far as I know that's a towny thought proccess that I don't think scum would think to fake.

Basically you are leaving yourself open to jump on board my wagon if one occurs.

More townfeels here.

[Postie]

scumclaim.

Why?

[Postie]

if ranger is gf then ranger is not conf.

asdfhgskdfjieklfdj you mean I actually need to read that slot I just had all my pools wrapped up so neatly

[Postie]

Wait what's this shit I'm reading about Lickety scumslipping

[Postie]

Hi Postie. How does RC look to you?

Like 85-90% sure he's town. And that 10-15% notsureness is paranoia stemming from the fact that I don't know really know why I'm townreading him but

he just feels really town dammit

.

[Postie]

davesaz is obvious town to anyone who knows his meta. stahp.

Tell me more about this.

[Postie]

VOTE: a plain farmer

Fine with this wagon.

[Postie]

Who was Dunnstral scumreading?

[Postie]

Why?

[Postie]

Who was Dunnstral scumreading?

A quick glance at his ISO is mostly 1-liners, and it's not apparent he had any consistent reads.

How the hell was he killed above an IC then
I'm not buying it was because of 1010 because that was quite obviously bait

[Postie]

Bigger question is why only one kill N1,

Oh right. Oops.

Zach doc'd, Dunn Serial Killer'd?

[Postie]

You know that townread I had on Smithereens, Postie's slot?

Totally gone.

Would sheep you here.

When and why?

[Postie]

(There's a reason 372 is a scumclaim. Free town points to the player who can figure out why!)

Ranger, was this ever explained?

[Postie]

RC, if town's awful enough to lynch you today then your reads will likely be ignored after you're dead.

[Postie]

Also we're not lynching RC.

[Postie]

No but seriously can someone walk me through LQ's "slip" because I still don't understand

[Postie]

Alright this is what I'm looking at right now

1st Tier Lynchpool:

a plain farmer

/

Bins

2nd Tier Lynchpool:

Ranger

/

LicketyQuickety

Townpool:

Zachstralkita

/

RadiantCowbells

/

davesaz

Obviously Ranger moves up if we're confirmed to not have a godfather.

[Postie]

You know that townread I had on Smithereens, Postie's slot?

Totally gone.

When and why?

[Postie]

But Postie, why the scumread on me? Can you say PoE? Hint: that's the only response I'll accept.

PoE.

I'm surprised. I'm the only person looking at you objectively : |

Ew are you asking me to townread you for townreading me

[Postie]

I'm not even remotely comfortable with the way you're whiteknighting me here.

[Postie]

Okay but
why am I town?

[Postie]

don't make me doubt myself lmfao

VOTE: Bins

[Postie]

This entire fucking page tho

Bins needs death

[Postie]

You're like 95% sure scum though. I'm not unvoting.

[Postie]

It's the way you're whiteknighting me, especially on this page and the last. I can't explain it but it just makes you scum sorry.

[Postie]

VOTE: postie

congrats

i have officially lost my townread on you because of your logic

This is literally a scumclaim

[Postie]

Why would you fucking softclaim
Oh my god

[Postie]

Is your role confirmable?

[Postie]

Can you just tell me if your role is confirmable so I can either keep my vote where it is or make sure that you eat a rope if you don't end up confirming yourself

[Postie]

Bins and Postie is TVT

Don't even

[Postie]

Confirmable

as town

?

[Postie]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: a plain farmer

If Bins isn't confirmed town at massclaim you lynch her with fucking fire

[Postie]

Ranger is lock town.

???

[Postie]

Bins is obvtown

Why

[Postie]

It's so obvious it hurts. It hurts me inside.

That's! Not! An! Answer!

Your reaction to her townreading you was a little kooky.

Sure it's good to question someone's townread on you. You just...did it weird. I don't think Bins' actions were scummy at all. And then you hit me with that 95%.

I don't think you understand. There's a specific way that scum sometimes give a townread on a townie and I don't know how to explain it but I've seen it happen so many times and they're always scum.

[Postie]

Vote her with me and let's see.

[Postie]

Ayyyyyyy

VOTE: Bins

[Postie]

Here I'll give you an example of a similar situation from another game.

yeah Postie is town.

next

And guess what happened after I called her out on it?

you're playing a lot differently from the movie upick where you were 3rd-party and just lurked the entire game.

So you're really confident I'm town based on meta from 1 game?
Yeah that seems legit.

VOTE: piegirl

I'm not "really confident" you're town. I have you as a town read for now but that doesn't mean I'm "really confident" about it; I'm obviously still going to be attempting to read you to confirm/deny it.

"Oh, uh, I'm not actually that confident what are you talking about"

[Postie]

yeah Postie is town.

next

This links to the wrong post somehow. Here is where it's supposed to go.

[Postie]

Postie, I'm going to prioritize my wincon over spiting people unfortunately. Can we not do this? RC too.

If you want to prioritise your wincon vote Bins.

[Postie]

"The way you read me is bad"


like sorry OK

but is that it? The way I read you two was bad?

Is there something wrong with that as a case?

[Postie]

I'm fine with a massclaim.

[Postie]

That makes me want a massclaim even more.

[Postie]

You're confbiasing.

[Postie]

something something schrödinger's cat

[Postie]

Ftr, my guess for scumteam is no longer apf/Bins; it's Bins + one of [Ranger, apf, LQ].

[Postie]

Why am I your second biggest scumread?

[Postie]

Because you're most likely to be RC's scumbuddy.

lol

[Postie]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Let's get the claim train going.

[Postie]

You first.

Actually, since RC wants mass claim so bad, maybe they should lead by example?

Nope and nope.

[Postie]

Potsie

Is this like a thing now

[Postie]

RC has literally 0 follow through in there engagement with Potsie,

Which he wouldn't if we were partners.

and Potsies Town read of RC seems to come out of thin air.

Yeah, you'll find that happens. Even if I could explain my read I wouldn't because I'm not gonna tell RC how I read him.

[Postie]

I'd really still prefer Bins.

Tell me what makes him scum!LQ as opposed to reallybad!LQ?

[Postie]

Bins stopped pushing on me and LQ didn't.

I thought we had this conversation already

[Postie]

he was the only one making sense

ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ)

[Postie]

I'm inching towards that LOLHammer.

Bins and LQ are going to flip town. On that I would stake the game.

can u not

[Postie]

RC would have had a heart attack if I slammed that lynch button just to fuck with him

but I like playing to my wincon and thats why I'm against those lynches.

If RC revotes and you hammer I'm going to punch a wall.

[Postie]

Postie, reads list please.

We're at that point in the game where my tiers have sort-of dissolved so I'll use the snazzy new rating system I've been working on.

Key

1

- I am

extremely confident

about this player being town. I would bet the game on it.

2

- I am

fairly confident

that this player is town.

3

- I consider this player to be

more likely to be town than not

.

4

- I am

not townreading

this player.

5

- I consider this player to be

scummy

.

Bins is a 5. Ranger and a plain farmer are 4s; LQ is 3 lean 4. davesaz is a 2 and you're a 2 lean 1.

[Postie]

No. If we don't do the massclaim today I'm lynching in Bins/Davesaz without exception.

fghdsfuijdklsifdush part of the reason I was townreading dave was because you said he was obvtown.

[Postie]

how can you see i;m not SCARED of this massclaim im actually just REALLY AGAISNT IT BECAUSE I WANNA KEEP MY ROLE HIDDEN OR ELSE SCUM WINS

>OR ELSE SCUM WINS

Are you kidding me
What role could you possibly have to warrant this kind of
This is the fakest sounding thing I've read in a long time.

[Postie]

IM PROBABLY THE STRONGEST PR IN THE GAME?
HAPPY?

Yeah because you didn't hardcore soft this already.
You can't possibly have been playing the game this long and build up to a legitimately strong PR-claim in this insane fashion.

[Postie]

Can you stop fishing?

>complains about fishing
>role can literally be PoE'd at this point because of how many things she's claimed she isn't

[Postie]

tl;dr Bins is claiming Doctor.

Maybe Mason but I doubt it.

[Postie]

Vanilla Townie.

[Postie]

RC I don't want to have another thing where you call me scum and then don't engage me the entire game and wonder what went wrong.
If you think I'm scum, talk to me.

[Postie]

Except I'm not.

[Postie]

VOTE: Bins

[Postie]

This is literally nothing like my scumgame.

[Postie]

Even if that is true, it doesn't make you Town.

Why? It kinda does.

Postie, I will engage with you for the sake of engaging with you since it's our last game together but there is like no chance that I will push for an LQ lynch before yours.

Engaging with me isn't really engaging if you're ignoring everything I'm saying. And also not actually trying to figure out my alignment.

If you think that I'm town, Postie, LQ is confscum fypov. But I'm not losing this game and I'm certainly not losing it to you.

Why is LQ confscum?
I'm bad with set-up stuff.

[Postie]

I haven't engaged you as of now. Do you really, really want me to?

Yes.

[Postie]

I still don't understand but alright

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

[Postie]

Alright so

You know that townread I had on Smithereens, Postie's slot?

Totally gone.

Would sheep you here.

I can't fathom how you're coming to any conclusion but the opposite right now about Postie.

I would do farmer too. But how the heck is RC still pushing Postie rn?

The whiteknighting here mildly pinged me.

But Postie, why the scumread on me? Can you say PoE? Hint: that's the only response I'll accept.
I'm surprised. I'm the only person looking at you objectively : |

i'm not whiteknighting you

if you're town you should be happy i'm seeing this!?

And then following it up by appealing to me like this just felt gross.

I can maybe see those posts by themselves coming from town but then

But then

don't make me doubt myself lmfao

VOTE: postie

congrats

i have officially lost my townread on you because of your logic

This

happens.

I can't explain it properly but basically

Here I'll give you an example of a similar situation from another game.

yeah Postie is town.

next

And guess what happened after I called her out on it?

you're playing a lot differently from the movie upick where you were 3rd-party and just lurked the entire game.

So you're really confident I'm town based on meta from 1 game?
Yeah that seems legit.

VOTE: piegirl

I'm not "really confident" you're town. I have you as a town read for now but that doesn't mean I'm "really confident" about it; I'm obviously still going to be attempting to read you to confirm/deny it.

"Oh, uh, I'm not actually that confident what are you talking about"

It feels like the same situation as the above.

Ehhhh in hindsight I can maybe potentially see the vote on me coming from frustrated town being trollish but I doubt it.

[Postie]

like even if i was scum youd be scumreading me for the wrong reasons

Also this was bad.

[Postie]

Ranger, Postie, one time only. I swear on Annie that I am town this game. lynch Bins with me.

I would but apparently LQ is confirmed scum to me.

[Postie]

Postie, explain your bins read.

See 2412/2413.

[Postie]

I haven't actually looked at their interactions properly. I should probably do that.

[Postie]

Skimmed their ISOs and I'm not seeing anything that I couldn't see coming from a Bins/LQ scumteam. Do you disagree?

[Postie]

You can be whatever you want winrate wise I have a pretty good one to but guess what ..

Everyone hates playing with you.

Bins please get back on the other side of the line you're crossing. Whether you're scum or not, there's no need for you to drag things down to this level.

[Postie]

STOP.

[Postie]

Bins if you're town the AtE is making it impossible for me to change my read on you.

[Postie]

Holy shit Bins can you tone things down like 50 notches

[Postie]

You're creating an incredibly toxic game state. I don't care if this is genuine frustration or scumstrat.

[Postie]

You both had a part to play in this but you're the one who brought it down to the level of personal attacks.

[Postie]

Can we just all go away and do some complex maths or practice our origami skills and then come back to this when there's less shouting. Please?

[Postie]

sorry postie I didn't mean to offend you but I'm a little pissed you think I'm personally attacking HIM here

I don't really want to get any further into this discussion but just please don't call people pricks or jerks; it's uncalled for and bad form, even if they're insulting your play.
Let's move on.

[Postie]

Let's move on.

[Postie]

RC, what's your read on dave and why?

[Postie]

*hug*

[Postie]

That conclusion alone can create an autowin situation.

?

[Postie]

^From that game:

my scum game is like
"i don't give a fuck vote me"

i have never flailed so hard
i suspect its the constant pressure thats been on me

[Postie]

I realise I should probably be casing Lickety here but I'm struggling with it because it's purely a PoE read. If it weren't for the fact that during night I was told about the results of a game I played off-site where I townread someone for similar reasons to why I was townreading LQ here and they turned out to be scum then I likely wouldn't have even considered it as a possibility before now.

[Postie]

I'm not, but I've asked you to engage with me like a million times now.

And since when am I confscum?

[Postie]

I disagree strongly that Smithereens was "incredibly scummy".

[Postie]

Why?

[Postie]

Unwillingness to fully commit to your RC townread.

Where

The way you sidelined the fight between me and Bins.

Why

Your Bins scumread not really making much sense and feeling forced.

Why

PoE between yourself and LQ who while playing awfully doesn't really seem to be scum.

What?

The way you seem to be just trying to get me to lead the way on lynching people.

This is both untrue and NAI.

[Postie]

This is both untrue and NAI.

[Postie]

My point is that
a) what you're saying doesn't match what's happening in the game because up until Lickety being confscum I was hardpushing for a Bins lynch, and
b) I've been pretty happy to sit back and just let you do stuff in tons of my towngames

[Postie]

Like wasn't part of the reason you got paranoid of me in Newbie 1717 that I let you push the Accountant lynch through? Because that's what it sounded like.

[Postie]

Another thing: I'm near positive Ranger is town.

Why?

everything points to you being scum, Postie.

You wanna respond to my 2596? I can't understand half the points you're making here.

[Postie]

Vote yourself on your way out?

[Postie]

I mean I can't defend against most of this stuff but

I scumread her for avoiding the fight between us.

WTF

[Postie]

Bins' read progression on LQ literally makes fuck all sense.
Is there any chance of support for a Bins wagon today or is Lickety inevitably going to come in here and hammer me?

[Postie]

VOTE: Bins

Let's do it.

[Postie]

Vote's not changing.

Just saying:

-If Postie flips Godfather, I am confirmed town and both doctors are confirmed town. We lose one, but we'll go into D4 with 6 alive and a pool of 2 to lynch from: {LicketyQuickety, RadiantCowbells}. We win.
-If Postie flips Goon, we have confirmed a doctor is lying. We go into D4 with 6 alive and a pool of 2 to lynch from: {davesaz, Bins}. We win.
-If Postie flips Roleblocker, davesaz protects Zachstral OR a plain farmer (flip a coin), and Bins protects davesaz. This ring of protection can't be broken. We force the scum to nightkill in our lynch pool: {Ranger, LicketyQuickety, RadiantCowbells}. We lynch in that pool tomorrow.
If the scum succeeded in killing one of {Zachstral, a plain farmer}, davesaz protects the survivor and Bins protects davesaz as before.
If the scum failed, we get an extra lynch.
If the scum killed in our lynch pool, they did our work for us.

Win-win no matter what.

Ergo, lynch Postie.

Okay but
what do when townflip

[Postie]

Postie, what DO do when townflip?

Well I'll be dead so I'll be shouting at you from the dead thread.
The rest of you should lynch LQ and then Bins. I'm p sure from way Bins is avoiding my wagon that she's waiting for LQ to get back and hammer me so she can cash in some sweet towncred from my flip, probably followed by bussing LQ and then coasting through endgame.

[Postie]

Okay, so here's how this game is going to go. I am not willing to lose this game and I am not replacing out of this either.
Postie is getting lynched today and following her lynch, IF it's a Roleblocker flip (in which case only 1 doc per 'conftown' is needed and our only conftowns are APF/Zach) one doc is on APF and the other is on me.
I literally guarantee you that scum is not going to kill Zac because of how poor his reads and play in general are this game and frankly it would benefit town if it were to happen so I want him left open.

I am going to do what it takes to make that happen. If you think that I've been unpleasant or a bully thus far in this game you have seen absolutely nothing yet.
So if you want to get into a pissing contest where I establish just how much more valuable I think me being alive than any of you players, including the conftowns, is: be my guest.
Otherwise just do what I say and we'll get a quick town win and you can cry later about how unfair it is that I monopolize the game even though my reads and ability clearly justify it.

Oh: and the reason I never lost games last year but I have this year is because I'm not trying to the same extent this year. If I'm scum this game you are not lynching me, period.
Whether or not I'm available to be targeted is only pertinent as town because I've already won this in any scumteam as scum and I'm not getting lynched. And if I'm town, yes it's a fucking horrible idea to leave me in the open.

Make up your mind whether you want to have this fight but I'm going to end up getting my way one way or the other so all you're doing is making the game less pleasant for all parties involved.

Is this mainly because this is your last game or because you don't like the idea of losing to scum!Postie? Because if it's the latter I'd rather just replace out.
This is exactly how not to Mafia.

[Postie]

You don't get a free pass to bully people just because of either of those things.

[Postie]

Point me to literally anything I've said that made you scumread me and I can tell you why you're wrong.

[Postie]

Like if it gets near deadline and I need to self-hammer I will but I'd really prefer to take the option that doesn't involve me just rolling over and dying when I'm 95% sure the scumteam is LQ/Bins.
Do you want me to make another wallpost about why this is town!Postie because I'll do it.

[Postie]

LQ flips green, I'm pretty sure

Why's this again?

[Postie]

Postie I get that you want to win but just stop. You did not, as town, play this game like you did, period.

You need to stop using whatever method you're using to get scumreads on me because it clearly produces too many false positives for it to be at all reliable.

And no matter what you did or did not do it doesn't change the fact that Smithereens is obvious Umlaut scumpartner.

Why?

[Postie]

That's at least one thing I can tell you for sure I wouldn't have done as scum, because I know you get paranoid about people hardtownreading you without having adequate reasoning. I'm not going to lie about my reads to get you to townread me.

and the way you make excuses for it.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this.

[Postie]

Is there a reason I'd be more likely to not state my read on you as town? I read your ISO, and the gut feeling I got from the way you were approaching the game is the same feeling I've gotten from you in the past as town, enough times that I felt no need to dig further at that point because history says you're town here.

[Postie]

I'm town and I don't. Unless you mean that I'd not give my read on you in case it made either of us more likely to be nightkilled, in which case... I was focused on putting my thoughts together so I didn't think that far ahead?

[Postie]

And the scum motivation here is what? Buddying you?

[Postie]

We had a goddamn IC still alive and dave had softed he was a PR. There was an absurdly slim chance either of us would have been the nightkill so forgive me for not giving it much thought.

[Postie]

Oh my god

[Postie]

You say while self-voting instead of trying to improve the gamestate.

[Postie]

You don't get to claim you have a 100% tell after how that worked out in Anything uPick.

[Postie]

If it's a towntell do you wanna explain it so davesaz stops being bad and we can avoid avoidable badness in future?

[Postie]

If that vote's coming from a serious scumread I don't understand it. You think davesaz would be this ballsy as scum?

[Postie]

He's literally the only one voting you.
And Bins is still scum.

[Postie]

Still town but as for your question, that's a false dilemma. You can be pro-town in ways that don't involve being an asshole.

[Postie]

with only 2 false results

*3

I don't have any other abilities to change these people's minds when they don't respond to reason nor to from the heart appeals.

Have you considered that maybe those things aren't working because of how you're approaching them? For example, Bins isn't the one you need to convince of her scumminess.

[Postie]

This isn't how you'd play if you were town and you know it. Come on.

I can't be a combination of frustrated and lighthearted without being scum? ._.
Like I mostly have no clue why you're scumreading me but I feel like you've gotten this base scumread on me from something that could be alignment-indicative a lot of the time but isn't here because context and then you've confbiased your way to blowing it massively out of proportion by scumreading me for silly things like this every other page.

I'm not trying to convince Bins that she's scummy, I'm just trying to bridge the empathy gap that clearly exists between me and everyone else in this game.

Then

talk

to everyone else in the game. Without insulting them.

[Postie]

If you don't think I've been frustrated with you this game then I don't know what game you've been reading. I've just gotten to the point now where I'm kinda exasperated so yeah my approach has changed; usually this would be where I'd start AtEing but I'm trying to avoid that because I feel like you're confbiasing enough of your read that you'd just use it as another excuse to write me off as scum.

[Postie]

You are giving me advice for how to convince other people to lynch you for crying out loud when this is probs our last game and tomorrow's lynch would most likely be me over LQ. You're saying this is town you?

Oh my god I'm not telling you to tell people to lynch me. I want you to help me lynch Bins ffs.

[Postie]

And come on. That asking hte mod to give you your role PM? You knew your slot was scum from the moment that you replaced in.

No, I

always

ISO the slots I replace into first and I was fairly freaking confident I was replacing into a town slot, with a slight possibility of serial killer.

I don't read either frustration or exasperation into your posts.

I mean I'm kinda biased but I do? Maybe it's less visible because there were some points like when you and Bins were fighting that it just faded into being kinda sad.

If you're as confident as you claim that I'm town you should want to lynch LQ because his flip would make me seriously reconsider scum!you regardless of what he flipped.

LQ is confirmed scum to me of course I want to lynch him but

no one else does

(except Bins, apparently).

[Postie]

Also, this is a very, very weird thing for you to say as town to me when you think that I'm town.

I was pointing out that you were being completely unhelpful; idk what you're finding weird about it. Not to mention that weird =/= scummy.

You replaced into my #1 scumread though so I'm not sure why you are doing this.

Doing what? Playing the game? I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[Postie]

RC I don't want to have another thing where you call me scum and then don't engage me the entire game and wonder what went wrong.
If you think I'm scum, talk to me.

Engaging with me isn't really engaging if you're ignoring everything I'm saying. And also not actually trying to figure out my alignment.

I haven't engaged you as of now. Do you really, really want me to?

Yes.

I'm not, but I've asked you to engage with me like a million times now.

And since when am I confscum?

Unwillingness to fully commit to your RC townread.

Where

The way you sidelined the fight between me and Bins.

Why

Your Bins scumread not really making much sense and feeling forced.

Why

PoE between yourself and LQ who while playing awfully doesn't really seem to be scum.

What?

The way you seem to be just trying to get me to lead the way on lynching people.

This is both untrue and NAI.

My point is that
a) what you're saying doesn't match what's happening in the game because up until Lickety being confscum I was hardpushing for a Bins lynch, and
b) I've been pretty happy to sit back and just let you do stuff in tons of my towngames

Like wasn't part of the reason you got paranoid of me in Newbie 1717 that I let you push the Accountant lynch through? Because that's what it sounded like.

everything points to you being scum, Postie.

You wanna respond to my 2596? I can't understand half the points you're making here.

Point me to literally anything I've said that made you scumread me and I can tell you why you're wrong.

ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ)

[Postie]

And furthermore, you didn't even react to this. I can't imagine town!you not being at the very least jolted by this coming from town!RC.

Have you maybe considered that just because I don't vocalise my reaction to that and things like it in thread doesn't mean I don't get an awful frustrated sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach when I read it?

inb4 3muchAtE

[Postie]

And you don't feel the need to vocalize it? Like y'know, say that I shouldn't say shitty things like that?

Has this been how I've reacted to stuff in the past? Like

ever

? Are you kidding me.
I have absolutely no clue how you could have been in Word Sneak with me and then convince yourself that

that

would be how town-Postie would react.

And in general you're paying lip service to disapproving it but you're really not taking a strong stance on the RC being a nice person thing. Hasn't been much bite behind your bark.

I'm really bad with personal conflicts and you should know that. I can call out people when they're being shitty and try to improve the situation to the best of my ability but I

really

hate getting in the middle of stuff like that because I don't want to get into fights with anyone. That's literally just who I am as person.

And yeah: you're putting the impetus on me to put my scumread on you into a nice neat little box so you can refute it point by point. you know that that's not how my reads have ever worked.

Fine. You want me to guess why you're scumreading me? Give me a bit.

[Postie]

I would like an explanation of this bullet point.

When someone says things that make me feel bad I generally don't get mad at them for it and instead assume it's my fault and shut down. I've explained this to you before and Word Sneak is a great example of it happening because I was literally half-resigned to being lynched despite being a goddamn cop because I was convinced I was playing terribly and needed to die to stop being a distraction.

[Postie]

I can't actually find it in any past scum games but I feel like "can you/we/I just" is probably a scumtell for me or something I've said in the past as scum

somewhere

so I'll go through those. I'll have to look a lot harder to guess at other reasons you could be scumreading me but this is something I definitely remember thinking you might end up scumreading me for.

Can you just tell me if your role is confirmable so I can either keep my vote where it is or make sure that you eat a rope if you don't end up confirming yourself

This doesn't count because I was copying Bins' syntax from 1924.

Can we just all go away and do some complex maths or practice our origami skills and then come back to this when there's less shouting. Please?

This doesn't count for the same reason could-you-can-you didn't count in uPick. I was trying to navigate a delicate situation.

[Postie]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

<3

[Postie]

Were you expecting more?

[Postie]

I think you're town so LQ has to be scum, meaning yes, this is the correct decision.
I still think Bins is massively more likely to be scum than davesaz though. I don't see dave as scum thinking he can honestly persuade the rest of the town to vote you at this point.

P-Edit - *twitch* o-e

[Postie]

I think he's scum and wrong

Why would you hammer if you think this?

[Postie]

Is RC confirmed scum to me?

[Postie]

I'm not scum!

Ugh RC/Bins interactions don't feel like SvS though.

[Postie]

Gah.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Postie]

I'm back and doing a catch-up post but I want to preface that by saying that literally any towntells or whathaveyou that RC pulls out of his bag of tricks to "prove" he's town are 100% NAI here. This is his last game - he's not going to give a crap if he can't use them in future.
And he's willing to take things much, much further to win when he's playing against me
He even admitted it

in this game

Like I have no words for how badly I know he doesn't want to lose.

[Postie]

Like if you had asked before you replaced in I would have told you fuck no but this was the one game you didn't ask so you clearly knew that the slot was scum.

Further you basically OGId by repeatedly saying that you only replace into slots that you think are town repeatedly over skype then saying the same way too which is pretty fucking horrible.

This makes no fucking sense from town-RC's perspective. Like first of all IIRC I've only asked him if he was okay with me replacing into a game that had him in it

once

, and that was under a very specific set of circumstances. There was no reason for me to think I should be asking before replacing in here, so him instantly assuming the worst about my motivations and saying that that means I "knew" the slot was scum and replaced in specifically to screw him over is the reachiest load of bullshit I've read in a while.
And the OGI thing just takes the cake because

holy shit I would not OGI

Like I admire the creativity but what the actual fuck

Her not responding and logging off should literally scream guilty conscience to you which is another fucking amazing reason to townread me. Why else would she not respond to it than besides that she couldn't?

Because maybe I have a life outside of MafiaScum and I'm not a wizard who can be here 24/7 to respond to everything

Look at Postie's reaction when Bins decides to say she's scum. She freaks out and LEADS HER TO THE FUCKING PR CLAIM. A DOC CLAIM. BECAUSE ITS THE EASIEST FAKE PR CLAIM IN THIS SETUP.
BECAUSE ITS EXACTLY WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IN OUR PREVIOUS SETUP. The original plan was for Postie to bus Bins while she claims that Postie is probably town but she slipped up on it and then Postie acted like a scummy fuck so the wagon moved over there. So they just carried it through since it was looking okay.

Oh hey look another thing RC is accusing me of that he knows I wouldn't do. Like I'm literally the worst at strategy and set-up related stuff and RC has repeatedly witnessed my terribleness with those things.

Postie is like me as scum, she practically learned from me. She went into that day with a plan for her scumpartner.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.
This is such a ridiculous misrepresentation of my scum playstyle because I do

very

limited planning as scum. Usually next to none.

Further: Look at Postie's play at the point where me and Bins are fighting. Postie has played with me before and knows that I get into fights and I'm okay with that.
However, even in cases where the other player was largely in the wrong she doesn't say shit to them. Because they're not people she knows and she doesn't care, but she does care when I am a dick.
She has no reason to ignore my part unless she's either buddying or scum with me, but that's not the thing. Why does she call out Bins? That's not something she fucking does.

Unless she's calling out Bins because she knows Bins's part in it isn't real and letting me off the hook because she knows that I'm intentionally getting goaded by scum. Which WOULD bother her.

Just in case anyone thinks this was actually a thing: I called out Bins because she was flinging insults around, which RC wasn't. Bins was escalating the situation, and I was trying to de-escalate it, so no shit I'm going to want to mostly address Bins.

Also

However, even in cases where the other player was largely in the wrong she doesn't say shit to them. Because they're not people she knows and she doesn't care, but she does care when I am a dick.

I can guarantee you RC doesn't have a real source for this outside of things I've said in private. Because that's not how shit works when something like this happens while I'm actually playing the damn game. Because this is once again a reachy misrepresentation of my meta.

[Postie]

Confirm or deny: you told me on a skype call that you 'never replace into slots unless you check them first and know they're town.'

I believe what I said was more along the lines of "I never really replace into slots without ISOing them first and being reasonably confident they're town" but I'm willing to say confirm just because I have no way of knowing for sure which wording was used.

Confirm or deny: you used the exact same wording in this game to try to towntell.

I said I was "fairly freaking confident" the slot I was replacing into was town, which isn't the same wording as what you're saying I said over skype, but could be said to be roughly around the kind of wording as what I remember saying.
And I said that because I

do

ISO the slots I want to replace into to gauge whether or not I think I'm replacing into a town slot and when I ISO'd Smithers I was fairly confident they were town.

I'd really like you to drop this as an argument against my slot because the whole thing is based around convincing the rest of the thread that I'd try to OGI and it's making me super fucking uncomfortable because

I would not OGI

. If you actually thought I was scum here the logical conclusion would be that I replaced into what I

thought

was a town slot and got a scum slot instead, rather than that I'm a terrible freaking person.

[Postie]

Then why wouldn't you fucking ask me? Y'know, a nice 'hey do you mind if I replace into open 645' would be immensely appreciated so that I didn't get into this situation?

Because I was confident this was a town slot, and that

you

were in a town slot and would be able to read me well enough that I'd save you a mislynch. Obviously I was wrong about one of those things and I wouldn't have replaced in if I knew.

@mod

- replace me.

I'm really sorry for not asking you if you were okay with me replacing in, and for how things turned out.

[Postie]

Congrats, scum; commiserations, town.
I'm sorry things got ugly. I know I was partly to blame for that.