Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[Smithereens]

you could say "notice how bins isn't considering anyone but kappy as mafia" which would be more valid

but that's just how i play the first few pages of any game i play,

i tunnel someone because i find it gets a lot of reactions from people

not everything has to do with you dunn

I believe the bolded is post-rationalised BS. Can you substantiate the claim that you tunneled with the intention of gaining reactions from others?

In this game? I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird. But Dunn was the only person to pick up on it.

In other games? No, cause I just started this new thing. It's been quite a while since I last played and I'm trying to redefine my playstyle.

"I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird."

ehh... I'm not doing this for the sake of argument, but I really don't think you're telling the truth here. This is not normal behaviour and people just don't do this. When you say it after you do the behaviour, it sounds more like 'Oh shit, how do I explain that behaviour? I know, I'll make it sound deliberate and intentional.' The theory is that there are behaviours that you feel 'guilty' about and thus you're justifying them even when they don't really mean anything to anyone but yourself. Guilty conscience is generally indicative of similar mindset, so there is reason here to believe you post-rationalising your own behaviour is a scum tell.

[Bins]

What? Do you think I'm scum or do you just "not believe my mentality"?!

[Transcend]

well no, i haven't. i'm just making inferences. your vote is SOLELY on someone because they were last to confirm their role. that's not scumhunting that's basically picking a name out of a hat and rolling with the punches in hopes that it's scum. you're allowed to prove me wrong and give the best reads you can. but if you're hellbent on lynching riddleton then more power to ya bud

[Bins]

You're going really half way with this and it's weirding me out.

[Transcend]

yo smith how do you feel about a kappy lynch

im feelin' it

im feelin' it reaaaaaaaaal good

[LicketyQuickety]

Anyways IMO LQ is town, even though I think it's fair for people to interpret his posts as scummy.

Dunn/Zach let's get Kappy

Kappy I'm asking people to sheep me. Am I scum too? Can I have a paragraph of bullshit made by you?

What makes me Town?

[Zachstralkita]

you could say "notice how bins isn't considering anyone but kappy as mafia" which would be more valid

but that's just how i play the first few pages of any game i play,

i tunnel someone because i find it gets a lot of reactions from people

not everything has to do with you dunn

I believe the bolded is post-rationalised BS. Can you substantiate the claim that you tunneled with the intention of gaining reactions from others?

In this game? I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird. But Dunn was the only person to pick up on it.

In other games? No, cause I just started this new thing. It's been quite a while since I last played and I'm trying to redefine my playstyle.

"I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird."

ehh... I'm not doing this for the sake of argument, but I really don't think you're telling the truth here. This is not normal behaviour and people just don't do this. When you say it after you do the behaviour, it sounds more like 'Oh shit, how do I explain that behaviour? I know, I'll make it sound deliberate and intentional.' The theory is that there are behaviours that you feel 'guilty' about and thus you're justifying them even when they don't really mean anything to anyone but yourself. Guilty conscience is generally indicative of similar mindset, so there is reason here to believe you post-rationalising your own behaviour is a scum tell.

the next freud

[Bins]

This is just the way I set up my game play for a game. I don't even care if people know. I think tunneling is better than RVS 100% in the first few pages of a game. And I made it clear I was trying to pull reactions from my tunneling. Now I'm looking to either move elsewhere or keep my vote if I like it. And I currently still like it.

[Transcend]

because like i said, i doubt that your main scumread as scum is on someone who's had 3 posts none of which alignment-indicative and your read on him is based on PREGAME. plus your tone probably suggests you're town.

[Transcend]

i genuinely believe that at the moment you hold that read as town, because i'm really unsure HOW scum would be able to fabricate such a nonsensical read, and make it their most solid read.

[LicketyQuickety]

because like i said, i doubt that your main scumread as scum is on someone who's had 3 posts none of which alignment-indicative and your read on him is based on PREGAME. plus your tone probably suggests you're town.

What makes you think I even have a top Scum read? I said the person hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off them yet.

you are not a great player, I can tell that right now.

Anyways, I have a town read on you for really no reason.

[Bins]

No one is a good town player. Except apparently Ranger.

[Transcend]

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

"yo dave... dude.... i don't really like your vote lol... i think ur scummy i fos u lol....


oh, but riddleton was last to confirm his role he's gotta eat rope lol... ha"

i feel like if you were scum you'd probably make more of a push on dave than you did here. i think your fos here is justified, i think you should've thrown a vote his way or something, but it is what it is.

[Kappy]

Why does no one like me? I'm just a townie trying to get some love, but everyone hates me!

[Zachstralkita]

Why does no one like me? I'm just a townie trying to get some love, but everyone hates me!

My vote isn't on you so I think I'm the closest thing you have pal

[Transcend]

No one is a good town player. Except apparently Ranger.

i won't lie, i've skimmed a few games i haven't been a part of with ranger in them and her reads were scarily on point when she was town. i'd link one but i cbf to hunt the site for it.

PEDIT: Thanks for your sympathy card, but I'm not interested. *takes card and puts it in the shredder*

[Transcend]

because like i said, i doubt that your main scumread as scum is on someone who's had 3 posts none of which alignment-indicative and your read on him is based on PREGAME. plus your tone probably suggests you're town.

What makes you think I even have a top Scum read? I said the person hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off them yet.

you are not a great player, I can tell that right now.

Anyways, I have a town read on you for really no reason.

i assumed it was your top sr because you gave an actual fos on dave but applied no pressure i.e. no vote to it and just continued to sit on your riddleton vote.

[LicketyQuickety]

because like i said, i doubt that your main scumread as scum is on someone who's had 3 posts none of which alignment-indicative and your read on him is based on PREGAME. plus your tone probably suggests you're town.

What makes you think I even have a top Scum read? I said the person hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off them yet.

you are not a great player, I can tell that right now.

Anyways, I have a town read on you for really no reason.

i assumed it was your top sr because you gave an actual fos on dave but applied no pressure i.e. no vote to it and just continued to sit on your riddleton vote.

That's enough for me to switch my vote.

VOTE: Transcend

[Transcend]

alrighty

[Transcend]

honestly, you're scumtelling so much that you can't even possibly be scum here.

1. advocating for a lynch on riddleton for shit reasons
2. voting me right after you say you townread me.

like... please tell me you're not being blatant scum like that. I feel like if you were mafia you'd do a better job at fabricating your posts. But these both look like genuine (albeit not very good) lines of thought.

[LicketyQuickety]

honestly, you're scumtelling so much that you can't even possibly be scum here.

1. advocating for a lynch on riddleton for shit reasons
2. voting me right after you say you townread me.

like... please tell me you're not being blatant scum like that. I feel like if you were mafia you'd do a better job at fabricating your posts. But these both look like genuine (albeit not very good) lines of thought.

I have a scum read on you for a number of reasons and my giving you a town read

for no reason, which I stated

is part of that.

[Ümläüt]

Smith, Ranger always post super-early read lists like that and she does surprisingly well at it. See e.g. Blitz 15.

I mean, she kind-of townread one of the wolves who went on to win that game, but she also had scum in her very bottom spot, so it's better than random.

And what happens when Ranger is Scum?

I don't know, I haven't played with scum!Ranger before. Let me go find a scum game of hers and read it.
....
In Open 635, she posted a super-early read list as usual, and her biggest "scumread" was actually scum. So neither of those things is a tell.

This is kind of nice because it means we don't have to know whether she's town before we pay attention to her reads. But I'll have to reread LQ because I really don't see what's suspicious there.

Meanwhile, UNVOTE: Transcend because he's improved a lot, especially now that I reread his intro, and VOTE: Loopdan's replacement because, head in the game or not, dropping in once to random-vote and then again to unvote without making any other comments is scummy.

Pedit:

Eeeewwwww at Kappy's "Why does everyone hate me " post. Major FOS.

[Bins]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

[Kappy]

@Mod: I request to be replaced out. I'm in too many games, and I'm having trouble keeping up. I can't post quality posts often enough.

[Transcend]

K well that makes two people that have subbed out after I've voted them. lol.