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anyways i read day 2 about 3 or 4 times and couldn't even find mhsmith's initial vote on the wagon.-
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oh i found itIn post 807, mhsmith0 wrote:
Last one probably just Luna or kts with the strategic hop onto the wagon (wolves usually can't resist bussing).
VOTE: killthestory
his vote is much worse than tenshii's here.
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I said in a recent reads list I believe it was D4 twilight that Iraon was my best townread and it was only due to Luna's actions. And yes I'm aware this is the same slot that I was campaigning to lynch for the first two days. On top of Luna's r-o, Wing was disgustingly blatant town as well.
What happened to him being in the top tier on your reads with me >:(-
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fair 'nuff
but the fact that he was a heavy townread at one point means nothing now over mhsmith who hasn't been super high on your townreads list?-
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In post 2544, mhsmith0 wrote:anything in particular that separates giga's town game from wolf game in your mind?
more genuine. i only played about 5 games with him. we played Matrix 6 on EM.-
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k well i literally can't see anyone but mhsmith being scum. is he even going to be lynched? i understand if you don't lynch him since i've been nothing but wrong all game. but i feelreallysure it's him.-
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Giga where's your vote at? I don't really wanna lynch thor like tenshii wants but i definitely don't wanna lynch tenshii. Would you lynch smith?-
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May i just remind the public that smith parked his vote on tenshii after being sure about him for quite some time only once thor voted?-
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Since it took so long for him to vote, this only reads to me like he would've acquiesced to any rising lynch but himself.
Tenshii: the deal is, Thor's staying alive. Like it or not, i don't give a rats. You're gonna either vote smith or you're gonna eat rope. Not by my hand of course but I'm giving you no other choice.-
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Like quote me if I'm wrong but smith spent all day trying to lynch tenshii yesterday and Tenshiididhave momentum. But the guy acquiesced to Maria who had more wifom which was Rosske who the guy laughed about my case on.-
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Giga's the universal townread here and has already won the game if he's scum. He gets hammer in 3 way should we make it here, just like he's gonna get hammer today.-
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Well I'm going out to eat and i stand by tenshii so don't hammer until i make my final plea.-
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It's mostly to attack smith but i can point out some things i think that make tenshii town. This all happens after work of course.-
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Unless i get lazy after work which knowing me is a huge possibility.In post 2642, mhsmith0 wrote:Like, actually coming tonight then?-
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Okay I'm home and I'm basically deciding if I want to go through my own ISO and compile all my thoughts into one megapost or go through smith and tenshii posts and post my thoughts on them.-
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The spoilers that I will be posting are ENORMOUS. I do very hope you take time to read through them. I went through my entire (cancerous, my bad guys) ISO and selected posts that I think make Smith scum and Tenshii town. I was nice enough to separate them into two categories. I f***ed up the BBCode into oblivion several times attempting to trim the fat off of some of the posts so it's fairly bulky and you might have to read some of the posts closely. Okay here we go.
Spoiler: Mhsmith is scum because...
Spoiler: Tenshii is town because...-
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The tenshii case to me reads "he didn't lynch karnos, he's scum. He lynched phantom, he's scum". Enlighten me if i missed anything but mislynching isn't worthy of a scum read in my books.-
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I don't think his vote hops were strategic, rather, a genuine attempt to win the game? Your vote hops feel more strategic.-
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Then you didn't read the post, or all of it. Like i said you just had to trim the fat. I gave reasons for him to be town. Regardless, the point of the case was intended to get you to hammer smith.-
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I wanted to trim the fat to make it easy to see the bulleted points but the BBCode kept messing up and making the quotes hard to distinguish.-
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What lynches do you think he didn't push for?
Pretty sure he was steadfast about whenever he voted Phant D1 I really liked that vote, when he voted Luna Fox with me on D2 and when he lynched Rosske with me on D4. His votes compared to the reads he's given seem really consistent to me. What am I missing?-
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How do you think that I think convincing people to vote a certain way is wolf indicative. Pretty sure that on top of my several one liners, I have spilled my heart out with megapost cases to try and get the person I wanted lynched. That's not what I think at all. What I'm saying is that his pushes albeit him not going the distance to get them lynched such as others in this game read genuine and non-tactical. I can sincerely reason with the Phant vote he made d1. Mind you, this was BEFORE karnos flipped wolf so Tenshii voting Phant for potential strategic vote even though PC wasn't Karnos or Io (the leading lynches that day) feels sincere whereas I feel like a scum!him would acquiesce to one of the other lynches and not cause that much of a commotion. Long story short I guess is that I think rather than being town-indicative, pushing someone and persuading others is generally NAI. I don't play the game like "well he didn't explain his pushes super well he's gotta be scum". I play and decipher if the vote they made reads tactical or genuine. And in Tenshii's case I feel he has been very genuine this game. I think I've repeated points several times throughout this post but that's just where I stand right now and how I feel.-
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In post 176, Tenshii wrote:Io vs Karnos might be Town vs Town?
Karnos's posts towards vs Io are absolutely reasonable defenses. And #76 came off as "I know I'm town" rather than "I'm mafia and I want to get rid of the possibility of us bussing." Given that the #70 post wasjustified by #140, It makes sense for why #70 would be done by Town.
Io is grasping for straws but all of that revolves around Io truly interpreting #70 as scum trying to indirectly attack Thor.
This whole argument feels like a long battle of "how hard can I prove these few posts are supposed to be interpreted as town/mafia posts." If this argument kept going, today's lynch will probably come down to whoever won this battle. Which would be pretty stupid.In post 267, Tenshii wrote:I still don't get why Karnos is scum. Please don't lynch him when we're like only 2 days into it.
Nah. This comes off as trying to hop on a bandwagon without trying to form an actual reason as to why Karnos to scum. Also why did you post 185?In post 185, PhantomCobalt wrote:VOTE: karnos for being the first one to post after my introduction!
VOTE: PhantomCobalt
How did you get these reads?In post 220, Kcdaspot wrote:with that based on what ive seen its karnos and KTL for the scumteam secondary scummy reads on luna and GT (gut mainly)
ANNNNNNND
VOTE: KTS
We real now
pedit: now that you mention that and transcend is not far off of making the list either.
SUP WIT ITIn post 222, Kcdaspot wrote:POST MORE TENSHII GODDANG
The former two came off as trying to reaction test. The latter does seem bad though. I also hate how KTS keeps saying "I'm obv town" as if it's helpful towards helping him get read.In post 247, Kcdaspot wrote:more anti town then a naked vote near page 2, a call for a quicklynch on page 5 and policy lynch on yours truly on this page?
if you think trying fool you go ahead and vote me but im not gonna let KTL live outside D1. i can settle for a karnos lynch DEPENDING ON THE VC, MOD.In post 496, Tenshii wrote:PC is the main lynch I want right now. Worst case scenario, non-contributing VI is lynched. Best case scenario, scum is lynched. Anything else, I'd have to reevaulate. I've kinda been debating on hopping on the Karnos bandwagon for the past few days, mainly cuz I do think that they plan on fighting to the death and they won't stop attacking each other until it happens, even to Day 2, 3, etc. So the sooner we can stop it the better.
@ Luna, can you explain your reads? All of them? Also how do you keep track of your reads? Do you just keep track of them in your head? Do you write them down on a notepad? Or what?
@ Io, who's Karnos's partner?
@ Thor, who's Karnos's partner?In post 1005, Tenshii wrote:My 993 was directed towards everybody in general.
@ Giga Not really that. If anything you dodged my 959, but that wasn't a question, so technically it's okay. My point still stands though, you're tr'ing Phantom because you don't see scum!Phantom rvs'ing his partner to L-2. I'm saying that I find scum!Phantom more than capable of doing that if he was scum.In post 1227, Tenshii wrote:At this point, I'm down for any lynch if it means getting the game rolling againIn post 1495, Tenshii wrote:I agree with the bloc, and we should be getting rid of the scummiest first. The only reason lylo will be hard is if there's a reason for the bloc to collapse in the first place.In post 1551, Tenshii wrote:
Sure dude. It totally does. Like if I spend all of this time attacking somebody, and I don't have a vote on him, it totally changes what I say. What's your point in bringing it up anyways? Are you saying I'm scummy for doing it? If so, how and why?In post 1545, Thor665 wrote:Yes - that's why I literally said it would in the post you quoted. "then"
Yea atm Phantom is my top scumread.In post 1545, Thor665 wrote:Yes, I am scumreading you.
I have not indicated my top scumread though.
Are you saying PC is *not* your top scumread?''
@Transcend Why is 1536 scummy?
Could definitely post more but I don't want to make another great wall of posts that gets laughed at. Not trimming the fat either. However these posts all feel to me like he's had a genuine mindset towards solving the game and not towards manipulating people.In post 1633, Tenshii wrote:It's getting late so I'm gonna get off. Gonna post the thoughts I have in my head atm, mainly for myself, but mainly cuz I feel obligated to post something. I don't have anything complete atm tho.
1) Thor's case on me is ass. I'll direct reply to it when I have time but I'm getting off. I'm not dodging it, just postponing.
2) Karnos + Rosske ...
Order of Events:
Karnos votes Io.
Rosske votes Thor
Rosske votes KTS
Rosske asks Karnos why he's not voting Thor.
Why doesn't Karnos vote Thor? It's really weird how Karnos tried to indirect attack Thor but when given the opportunity to bandwagon Thor, he doesn't take it. My main problem with the whole Rosske case is if Rosske is trying to support Karnos scum partner here, he should just be voting Io immediately instead of Thor. I don't get why Rosske would try to redirect momentum towards Thor when there was momentum towards Io. Unless there wasn't momentum there in the first place?? But if there wasn't momentum then Karnos should've bandwagoned along with Rosske's vote on Thor.
3) Karnos + Thor ... I was rereading and stuff. There was one post where Karnos defended himself with "me and Thor can't be bussing" therefore they aren't town. Not sure how viable of a scumteam this is yet. I'll need to think about it more. If this is the team then does it make sense for Karnos to not vote Thor when town!Rosske voted Thor? But then there's the whole indirect attack thing.
Giga + Luna for town.
Re-evaluating Transcend + mh
Also I got pretty apathetic rereading through all of that again. I quitted like 20 pages in, and I skipped all of the walls to get there. I'll probably eventually have to force myself to reread through everything though.
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My hero <3In post 2677, Tenshii wrote:If "meta" states that I have a tendency to be livid when I'm about to hammered as town, then "meta" can go screw itself.-
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I get that -- I'm just a very impatient person and our mod takes forever to update the thread so I wanna hear what Tenshii says he is post hammer.-
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Hmm...
PEDIT: I'm sleeping soon then going to work so I was sorta banking on knowing relatively soon than having to wait til I get home to figure it out =p-
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