Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

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In thread treatment of the slots:

"Hey guys KTS is probably town. Stop fucking lynching him. Here, there's 4 better options than him. Here's why" (i was slightly sring giga d2 so he was a reasonable candidate)

"Hey guys instead of lynching PC we should just replace the slot as he's obviously not in to the game anymore. I think these guys could be scum and we should lynch them for x y z"

Then taking 3+ hours to make a game winning case to defend Tenshii and attack you.

You cannot say that I am over representing the strength of my TRs.

Now each time they got flipped I played it very hopeful like always in that "hey maybe I was the idiot maybe he flipped scum"

So your point is moot.

[mhsmith0]

Sarcasm isn't the issue though. You said you were furious. But you weren't. You very very obviously weren't right after tenshii hammer, or at the start of the day, or when you said you were furious. Your emotion was fake. So the fact that you were being sarcastic, while I suppose interesting, isn't really relevant to the point. The point is you faked your emotion.

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The point is I didn't fake my emotion and I will not let you get away with having Giga thinkthat I faked my emotions after all that fucking effort to save him.

[mhsmith0]

In thread treatment of the slots:

"Hey guys KTS is probably town. Stop fucking lynching him. Here, there's 4 better options than him. Here's why" (i was slightly sring giga d2 so he was a reasonable candidate)

"Hey guys instead of lynching PC we should just replace the slot as he's obviously not in to the game anymore. I think these guys could be scum and we should lynch them for x y z"

Then taking 3+ hours to make a game winning case to defend Tenshii and attack you.

You cannot say that I am over representing the strength of my TRs.

Now each time they got flipped I played it very hopeful like always in that "hey maybe I was the idiot maybe he flipped scum"

So your point is moot.

Not really. You over-represented the strength of your reads in a massive way. You didn't treat Thor as obv!town, you treated him as your #2 scumspect. You sometimes treated giga as obv!town, but then early today, after I inidcated suspicion of the slot, you went after them and suddenly it was a really hard decision, and they were waffling, etc. That's how you treat someone you're hoping you can maybe get a cross-vote on, not how you treat an actual strong town read.

[mhsmith0]

The point is I didn't fake my emotion and I will not let you get away with having Giga thinkthat I faked my emotions after all that fucking effort to save him.

But you did. You very clearly faked it. You said you were furious. And you weren't. Like, that's completely obvious just from reading the thread.

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Sarcasm can be caused by fury.

PEDIT: Not #2 scumspect. Mostly "a compromise lynch at best" sorta deal. I wasn't gonna vote anyone willingly unless it was needed to hammer besides Luna/Rosske/You and for a brief bit Giga because he was being a weirdo.

LYLO plays out a whole differently than mislynches when you have safety nets.

[mhsmith0]

Welp. Here's hoping both my top town reads were scum. I doubt it tho.

Sarcasm can indeed be caused by fury. In this case, though, there is no sign whatsoever that it was actually the case.

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Ok well hypothetically let's say i'm scum: I do the same thing, spend 3 hours walling up bullshit for you to be scum and for tenshii to be town. Giga lynches my easy win. I bet you more than anything I'd still be fucking fumed because all that effort would be wasted into lynching someone who was going to be a massive obstacle for me in LYLO.

My anger was not faked and honestly you making up loads of crap and analyzing my tone is incredibly disrespectful.

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I'm just a really irritable guy when things don't go my way.

[mhsmith0]

Tone is a perfectly valid way of analyzing play though. If you were legitimately upset but didn't show it in your posts, and feel that I've caught you for the wrong reasons, I apologize. But it's in-thread data that is legitimate to dig into for validity. You claimed emotions that your postings did not reflect, which looks very much like a game-relevant lie.

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Anyways all your votes were tactical none were genuine. You wagon hopped like a mofo. Your progression of reads was not genuine. You never tried to find "the one" you found "ones". Aka the scapegoat mislynches you needed to fulfill your wincon. This game is disgustingly mapped out in your favor.

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If I played your scumgame i.e. bussing karnos I'd probably get some towncred for a while but then ultimately get lynched around f7 or maybe f5 because I don't have the audacity to post walls like you.

You really had no consistent person you pushed on. I really don't think you led the charge for any strong vote. Your walls are just clutters of random cherry picked posts that you dumped into the thread with limited explanations to them.

[mhsmith0]

Wagon hopping is not in and of itself alignment indicative though. Nor is expressing doubt about lynches. Nor is thinking that a PoE is legitimately down to two people. My being mafia here is borderline nonsensical; the only thing about my play that was at all questionable is my push on Rosske/Maria the day she got lynched, and even that was a process where I was clear about my thinking and why I was doing what I did. There's also nothing non-genuine about my reads or reads progression. I did the work to develop my reads, and consistently showed my work in thread. You can handwave the argument that I've been tactical, but stating I've been tactical and having evidence that I've been tactical aren't the same thing. You're handwaving because you don't have the evidence, just like you didn't bother to do the work to justify your reads or meaningfully engage with your critics becaues they weren't real reads in the first place.

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Like seriously before today you've not discredited hardly any actions I've done this game. Today, you've discredited legitimately my entire game. You didn't have any of these thoughts throughout the rest of the game because I was never a liable lynch choice for anyone else. There's no way that you can have so much shit on me right now and have not brought any of it up previously in the game. Your walls were tactical, intended for the leading lynch to achieve scapegoats. Sometimes you didn't even wall the leading person you just softly acquiesced to the leading person while discrediting other people's reads on them.

[mhsmith0]

I had much stronger scum reads on kts, then rosske and tenshii, compared to you, yes. That was my mistake.

Some of the shit I have on you is literally from today, so obviously I wouldn't have had it before. As far as my walls being tactical, you're saying that it was tactical instead of actually providing backup, which is consistent with you being unable to provide backup because you know it's false.

You say

Sometimes you didn't even wall the leading person you just softly acquiesced to the leading person while discrediting other people's reads on them.

but you're really just talking about the rosske lynch here, and your only objection is to how I treated you in the context of that lynch. It's a nothing argument you're making here, and it's because that's what you're left with in terms of selling legitimate reasons why I'm a wolf. Hopefully giga sees through it.

[mhsmith0]

Ps today I went through the entire game from the framework of it being either you or giga. It's easier to reach that conclusion when I'm not distracted by scum reads on anyone else. And I'd note that I was pretty explicit on my process of evaluating you both, including evaluating my mental framework of you having a worse d1 and giga being worse after, which resulted in my discarding my earlier take on your d2+. It's all explainable by "he went back and read", which by the way was also how I changed my original d1 scum read on Luna into a read of karnos.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tbh i am probably 60-40 on it being Transcend!scum now, i was feeling the faked emotions argument earlier on today anyway but it felt rude to say

conventional wisdom says i should have hammered earlier, since the person you have been townreading all game takes you to LYLO with your weaker scumread, but what's stopping me from doing that is that a Thor/Transcend/Smith lylo is also not very good for mhsmith!scum, Thor might be able to see that Transcend is lynchbait and question why i am killed over him

yeah i can't sleep

[mhsmith0]

Don't worry, I'll be the rude one

Frankly, you're correct that Thor/trans/me wouldn't be great for me as last wolf (no grouping really would be) but it's the most plausible one for me to get an easy mislynch if I'm the last wolf. Thor had been more suspicious of trans than me, and trans had expressed suspicions of Thor ("he was like totally obv town" bit aside).

[mhsmith0]

But basically Thor would be a bad n5 shot for me, just like io would be a bad n3 for me (killing someone TRing me there is lolol worthy), and the one aspect of my wolf game that is actually good is my night kills. When I'm a wolf I consistently put thought and care into my kills, and those are poor shots for me. Ditto Ira frankly, though at least you can make a case there.

[mhsmith0]

Like, a good paradigm for seeing me as a wolf in a game is "smith doesn't seem particularly villagery, and oh crap the cop just died last night". I'm actually legit proud of my night game, since as a wolf it's much better than my day game (partially because I like game solving, and pr/spk hunting is something I can actually do as an act of game solving). Here I'd need to have played well in the day but crappy at night which is like the opposite of my wolf meta.

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still using NKA

okay well fine you can flip me but please promise me you won't use it so reliably in future games because it's fucking stupid.

i'm sorry about the wifom but seriously NKA is awful.

[mhsmith0]

Gg then if you're conceding. Mad respect for your scum game though, karnos getting lynched d1 made it super hard mode for you and taking it to LYLO, even if the town wasn't great, is still really good.

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as for my anger it's a genuine trait from me no matter what. i get extremely irritated at the most trivial things. especially when it comes to this game.

PS: no that wasn't a concede and you can stop faking that it was

[mhsmith0]

Meh sounded like a concession. As far as the anger goes, sorry if I hit a sore spot but it really did look fake, and pointing out what looks like fake emotion is fair game IMO.

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play however you want it does tick me off but tick me off as much as you want because you'll probably win if you keep it up.