Open 662: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

Realeo · Post Post #24 (isolation #0) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:40 pm

Well hello. This is one of those rare games where I know more the playerlist then what I don't know.

Realeo · Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:02 pm

In post 26, BK201 wrote:Does anyone have a good strategy for this set-up? Is there anyway we can take advantage of the Fire and Ice NKs canceling each other out, maybe a way to make it more likely that they do so?

Any strategy to manipulate scum that has to be discussed in the thread is manipulatable by scum.

Just forget it, unfortunately

. Even if there is a chance to "fool those who tried to fool us" ie, high order game theory, such thing is near impossible.

Realeo · Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:10 pm

@BK201: I can see the good intention of your plan but I prefer "role claiming" strat is not discussed yet.

It is time for us to exit the RVS by me asking a somewhat serious and somewhat leisure question.

Time post : 2:59

In post 27, culted wrote:What's up guys

Time post : 3:02

In post 28, Realeo wrote:
In post 26, BK201 wrote:Does anyone have a good strategy for this set-up? Is there anyway we can take advantage of the Fire and Ice NKs canceling each other out, maybe a way to make it more likely that they do so?
Any strategy to manipulate scum that has to be discussed in the thread is manipulatable by scum.

Just forget it, unfortunately . Even if there is a chance to "fool those who tried to fool us" ie, high order game theory, such thing is near impossible.

Time post : 3:03

In post 29, culted wrote:
In post 26, BK201 wrote:Does anyone have a good strategy for this set-up? Is there anyway we can take advantage of the Fire and Ice NKs canceling each other out, maybe a way to make it more likely that they do so?
Scumhunting has yet to fail me, except when I'm wrong of course.
How do you figure this setup would allow for more manipulation over who scum kill than an average setup?

It took you 4 minutes to respond? You trying to sheep me?

Realeo · Post Post #37 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:17 pm

In post 34, Transcend wrote:But i already think you're town

VOTE: Realeo

Do I need to ask the obligatory why or you're going to establish a meta of naked vote?

Realeo · Post Post #45 (isolation #4) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:35 pm

VOTE: culted

Realeo · Post Post #49 (isolation #5) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:57 pm

I know vote change doesn't count at this point but...

VOTE: Not_Mafia

There is a way that town!Transcend make that vote, but no way town!Not_Mafia makes that vote.

Realeo · Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:01 pm

I know how nm plays, but even him can be sensible sometimes.

Realeo · Post Post #54 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:05 pm

Sometimes he is more sensible than you, Trans.

I can still see your logic from Realeo-Culted-Realeo, but NM from "joking RVS" to L-3 is just no. I know he is sometimes a jokester. I know he is sometimes a serious scumhunter, but from what I know, even him has a transition from jokester to serious scumhunter. He can be weird, but not erratic.

@Trans: So your argument is town!Realeo has low voting pattern entropy??

Realeo · Post Post #58 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:08 pm

culted is those "gutsy" vote that you know that your gut can be wrong, but it's bothering you.

N_M was a red flag.

Realeo · Post Post #63 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:11 pm

In post 55, Transcend wrote:I don't find it genuine that you joined a wagon and evaded it to vote someone who voted on it.

From the word choice "evaded", I imply Realeo-culted scum team?

Realeo · Post Post #66 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:18 pm

In post 62, Transcend wrote:
In post 58, Realeo wrote:culted is those "gutsy" vote that you know that your gut can be wrong, but it's bothering you.

N_M was a red flag.
What was "gutsy" about voting culted?

I do find that time post wall disturbing.

I was trying to give culted the benefit of doubt by implying maybe I was quicker and culted lose "the pedit race". But when (s)he said "So that's how Central Park works," I assume that he didn't lose "the pedit race", he made a new post after seeing my post.

Which feels a little bit wrong??

In post 29, culted wrote:
In post 26, BK201 wrote:Does anyone have a good strategy for this set-up? Is there anyway we can take advantage of the Fire and Ice NKs canceling each other out, maybe a way to make it more likely that they do so?

Scumhunting has yet to fail me, except when I'm wrong of course.

How do you figure this setup would allow for more manipulation over who scum kill than an average setup?

The green one seems fillering. I mean, how does that answer the question?
The orange one is multi intepretable. It can show curiousity, it can show skepticis, or simply throwing shade.

But I imagine that a town!culted if indeed showing curiosity or skepticism, he will be direct without the fillering part.

Realeo · Post Post #68 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:19 pm

In post 61, culted wrote:
In post 41, BK201 wrote:VOTE: culted
Town.
In post 43, Transcend wrote:VOTE: culted
Scum.
In post 45, Realeo wrote:VOTE: culted
Different scum.
In post 47, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Culted
Town.

Elaborate.

Realeo · Post Post #70 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:23 pm

No. It's not the filler line (green). The filler line it self as an isolated view is NAI,

The orange one.

Realeo · Post Post #72 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:25 pm

Then the scum v different scum.

Realeo · Post Post #74 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:29 pm

In post 69, culted wrote:Seems like looking for things to scumread me for, instead of parsing my alignment.

Can't tell if this is being overly defensive or wut.

But I imagine that a town!culted if indeed showing curiosity or skepticism, he will be direct without the fillering part.

This is not "parsing" your alignment?

Realeo · Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:37 pm

Well played. There's a post #73 explaining how I scum and post #74 trying to ask the logic.

He respond #73, skip the #74 and vote me.

Answer my #74.

Realeo · Post Post #80 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:40 pm

In post 75, culted wrote:
In post 73, Transcend wrote:
In post 67, culted wrote:@Transcend
So then why did you find his evasiveness scum motivated?
Voting pattern doesn't look town motivated like he voted one person sent them to L-4, someone sent them to L-3, and he immediately votes them. It makes no sense.
Sounds fair.

In post 77, culted wrote:He's really trying way too hard to twist my reply to BK as scummy don't think that shit usually comes from town at this stage.

Check your logic.

If I'm trying to push culted by "trying way too hard", why I do have to be greedy and hit N_M as well?

One is possible. Two is not.

Realeo · Post Post #84 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:46 pm

In post 83, Transcend wrote:Hey Realeo where'd you go =(

Did u get caught as scum and hide in ur mafia PT to talk to ur buddy =( =(

Later. I am having a christmas party. Phone posting.

While we at that, please respond to my rebutal. Input = we are going to have a good night.

Realeo · Post Post #86 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:57 pm

Come on...Keep talking. Give me a lot so I can reply when I go home.

Your gut says you don' believe my gut. I can say the same at you.

Keep talking

Realeo · Post Post #88 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:11 am

Explain it.

I know it was tough to explain my gutread at culted but i try.

Try it. Explain.

Realeo · Post Post #89 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:12 am

That was last post.

Realeo · Post Post #91 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:00 am

Yes. Explain the ingenuiness. Do I need to be your shrink?

Realeo · Post Post #98 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:02 am

I have guacamole plz

Realeo · Post Post #148 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 121, Transcend wrote:Gamma's more scummy than Realeobtw

also Io is town

So yiy can change vote but I cant change vote?

Realeo · Post Post #152 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:51 pm

In post 149, Transcend wrote:Yeah because i don't change for a scummy reason

Keep talking.

Realeo · Post Post #154 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:58 pm

In post 153, Transcend wrote:
In post 151, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 145, BK201 wrote:Trying to make me look scummy by misrepping me is scummy.

VOTE: Josh
Bad vote

Hey. Don't evade discussion.

Realeo · Post Post #161 (isolation #26) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:18 am

In post 160, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Not_Mafia
He's incentivizing unproductivity.

No, Transcend did.

Realeo · Post Post #162 (isolation #27) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:18 am

GM, do you think I need to repeat the troll action that I did in Mislead?

Realeo · Post Post #165 (isolation #28) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:44 am

In post 164, Not_Mafia wrote:Not being facetious, genuinely bad vote

Keep talking.

Realeo · Post Post #166 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:00 am

I just realized that I what I said is either "I want guacamole" or "Keep talking". I will give an updated read later.

Until then, Keep talking.

Realeo · Post Post #177 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:14 pm

Hold on a second. Isnt gamma emerald one of those "on impulse player"?

That incentivizing bad thinggy prolly nai.

Realeo · Post Post #178 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:15 pm

UNVOTE:

I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?

Realeo · Post Post #181 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:55 pm

Do I dissappoint you?

Realeo · Post Post #186 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:28 am

This game is seriously lacking elaboration.

Realeo · Post Post #188 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:31 am

In post 182, BK201 wrote:
In post 181, Realeo wrote:Do I dissappoint you?
What's the point in asking this question?

I take that as a yes.

In post 183, BK201 wrote:
In post 180, BK201 wrote:
In post 178, Realeo wrote:UNVOTE:

I mean, not mafia, remember GE in Mislead 2 and his scum read @ NJAC?
What is this about?

This game is meta heavy so I am making meta comparison and looking for meta validation.

Realeo · Post Post #214 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:37 pm

In post 208, Rory wrote:It was page 4 and Io's first post. Did you see this as a serious vote?

I do. But if Io said it wasnt then I have to give him the benefit of doibt.

Realeo · Post Post #217 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:52 am

In post 191, BK201 wrote: I understand that. Tell me about the meta you're referencing.

TL:DR; Gamma Emerald is sometimes too literal. Having hard time facing Matter v Manner.

Realeo · Post Post #342 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:43 pm

In post 297, Gamma Emerald wrote:Everyone scumreads me for no apparent reason
At least two of those losers are scum.

applause.

Realeo · Post Post #344 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:15 pm

In post 343, BK201 wrote:
In post 342, Realeo wrote:
In post 297, Gamma Emerald wrote:Everyone scumreads me for no apparent reason
At least two of those losers are scum.
applause.
What do you think about my case on NN?

Isn't NN townread by Transcend?

Realeo · Post Post #345 (isolation #39) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:16 pm

The moment that you pushed "publish" and know you're dumb at the same time.

NM is being townread by Transcend not NN. My bad. I would look at your case.

Realeo · Post Post #346 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:25 pm

It's not NN reaction to Transcend that bothers me.

It's NN reaction to Mafia. Let me think how to elaborate that.

Realeo · Post Post #347 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:32 pm

In post 338, nn30 wrote:VOTE: Culted

You complained about Josh lack of explanation. What do I see in this naked vote?

Realeo · Post Post #348 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:35 pm

In post 323, nn30 wrote:
In post 311, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 303, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like his early attempts at finding four people to peg as scum.
That's the point of the game
Sure, but pegging all 4 at once is laughably bad. It's an easy way to fake scum hunt.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

In post 328, nn30 wrote:
In post 327, Joshz wrote:hunt all the scum jimmy. hunt 'em down and hang 'em.

pedit; i sheep both as scum and as town if i have no strong fake read (ie one i can push convincingly) / real read (one im very confident in) respectively. i am inexperienced and i know that, so i tend to look at what people say and decide which of their reads makes the most sense for me.
Grab my arm, and let's skip down the path of being new at the game together. I finished a few games in the last week and I won only 1 of the 3 town games I was a part of. I'm still developing my scum hunting game but what I will tell you is to look beyond what people say and try and discern
why
people are saying it.

For instance, my town read on you just wound down a little bit (probs at null leaning scum now) because you responded to me in a way that said you care about what I think (despite your vote currently being on me). This feels like a contradiction coming from a scum motivation. That said, you could just be new.

I can't really spell this out.

I feel like nn30 being hypocrite or double standard?? I feel the intetion is double standard eventhough the message is same??? Like. I don't know.

Realeo · Post Post #349 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:37 pm

Like at one point, nn30 punish play style and at one point seems more understanding to play style? I don't have problem with him punishing or understanding, because that can be nn30 play style--but the two approach seems contradictory. Maybe this is Appeal To Newbieness but??

Realeo · Post Post #352 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:49 pm

In post 350, BK201 wrote:
In post 349, Realeo wrote:Like at one point, nn30 punish play style and at one point seems more understanding to play style? I don't have problem with him punishing or understanding, because that can be nn30 play style--but the two approach seems contradictory. Maybe this is Appeal To Newbieness but??
Do you find that scummy?

The Appeal To Newbieness has to make me think. I mean, at one point, that sounds hypocrite for reasons I have mentioned. But on one side, I see it is possible for nn30 to be actually feel "bad for the newbie" and lower the newbie.

The question is whether that hypocrisy is because scum contradictory or town bias. I can't tell.

Realeo · Post Post #353 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:49 pm

*lower the bar

Realeo · Post Post #354 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:51 pm

And for your case BK, that "OMGUS" is not mutually exclusive come from scum.

I mean, BK201, do you scum read N_M? Because he OMGUSed me back in early game. I don't see exact distinction between N_M' omgus and NN'omgus

Realeo · Post Post #355 (isolation #47) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:52 pm

BTW. From now on, I call nn20 as RPG and nm as cow, ok? I swapped nn and nm a lot.

Realeo · Post Post #356 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:56 pm

In post 314, Kmd4390 wrote:Realeo, can you elaborate on your meta unvote on gamma?

I can't exactly describe even further than the TL:DR;

I mean, you (Kmd) and GE clashed a lot in this game on behavior interpretation, right? GE is not exactly the one who "try to see behind the brain". That's why I said that he (or she?) has problem in assessing "Manner v Matter".

And his vote on N_M is another case of "Manner v Matter"

Realeo · Post Post #357 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:09 pm

In post 314, Kmd4390 wrote:Not a fan of Realeo trying to shut down BK's above thought. If there was a way to use the setup, we absolutely should discuss it. It only hurts town not to. He also feels calculated in his so called RVS exit and his reaction to Transcend's vote was pretty defensive. His concerns with notmafia feel fake too. An RVS wagon getting to L-3 is nothing new and notmafia being the one to put it there isn't surprising. Transcend's post 55 is a good point too. I'd probably vote realeo if I was here for all of this.

On your point about "BK's above thought"
1] I am skeptical of setup speccing because I have won a scum game by manipulating setup speccing. The Purge for reference.

2] I have lost a town game because town (imo) is too invested in setup speccing. Mislead 2 is for reference.

3]

Fire and Ice is not a new setup.

If there is a breaking strategy, I expect a) I would know it or b) Open is a moderated forum. Why would Llama give a broken setup? I check the game history and it has been replayed. If the game is broken, I expect it would be fixed (see Duck! Duck! Goose! on how they fixed the setup by adding 1 extra PGO). In Mislead 2 + The Purge, town invested too much in setup speccing and forget the scumhunting part.

TL:DR; I see no way how setup speccing will be helping the town. Even worse, setup speccing is usually NAI because the casual rule of "effort is NAI"

Other has been discussed.

Let us say that there are a lot of things that trigger me in RVS. Can I have your argumentation of me mafia beside RVS?

Realeo · Post Post #358 (isolation #50) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:12 pm

I accept no rebuttal like "But Realeo, you're over reacting and over reaching." Read The Purge and you would understand why I triggered.

Realeo · Post Post #359 (isolation #51) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:14 pm

In post 351, Transcend wrote:Lynch on this guy is p solid btw

Didn't you say that on me? Why would this time it would be good?

Realeo · Post Post #361 (isolation #52) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:25 pm

Sheh, people. Some people prefer to accuse info than to acquire info.

Question for yo, @nn30 (RPG)

1) What is exactly this meta dive, RPG?

2) Why he putting on the bottom of the read violates the meta?

Realeo · Post Post #363 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:05 pm

In post 362, light_ganski wrote:
Aristophanes replaces Clemency

What a pleasent thing.

Realeo · Post Post #367 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:27 am

In post 366, Io wrote:Can you guys like stop using NM
and
NN. That last page was way to confusing to read.

I have set the consensus that
NN = RPG
NM = cow

Realeo · Post Post #369 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:49 am

If you don't want cow, you give an idea.

Realeo · Post Post #371 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:52 am

Fair enough.

Isn't your scumlist of {nn30,GE,me} all play style related? No matter related?

Realeo · Post Post #373 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:55 am

Help me with nn, Rico Sauve.

Realeo · Post Post #376 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:10 am

In post 375, Joshz wrote:
In post 336, nn30 wrote:I don't like that Josh left the thread as soon as I asked him a question...

Anyways...

@Gamma - well the town objective is to find scum, right? So how do I differentiate that from scum who are also attempting to find scum?
Sorry for having to sleep for work. I'll try and stay up for 2 weeks next time. my bad.

Hello. Do you have something to say @ me?

Realeo · Post Post #378 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:10 am

In post 373, Realeo wrote:Help me with nn, Rico Sauve.

Realeo · Post Post #380 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:17 am

No. Rico Sauve is code name for Not_Mafia.

Realeo · Post Post #524 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:20 pm

Nn (rpg), my question

Realeo · Post Post #526 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:32 pm

Iso it please. It is in purple text. Phone posting.

Realeo · Post Post #530 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:41 pm

Thx Josh

@ge: I already asked for reasoning.

Realeo · Post Post #534 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:50 pm

In post 532, nn30 wrote:@Josh: 383

Thx

2. When Transcens presents readlist , you flipped. Why quality of read list > meta dive.

Realeo · Post Post #535 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:51 pm

In post 533, nn30 wrote:@Gamma:

1) Why

2) Can you link me scum hunting examples?

Lazy

Realeo · Post Post #536 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:52 pm

Ge has been consistent methink.

Realeo · Post Post #544 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:44 pm

In post 539, nn30 wrote:
In post 535, Realeo wrote:
In post 533, nn30 wrote:@Gamma:

1) Why

2) Can you link me scum hunting examples?
Lazy
Did you see the read list I just made? That sh*t took at least 45 minutes? Call me lazy.. grumble grumble...

45 minutes to make or 45 minutes to fabricate. =]

Spoiler: side wager

Realeo · Post Post #552 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:58 am

Kmd, no respond to me, eh?

Realeo · Post Post #554 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:38 am

In post 357, Realeo wrote:Can I have your argumentation of me mafia beside RVS?

Realeo · Post Post #569 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:51 pm

In post 556, Kmd4390 wrote:Also, I responded to you here:
In post 389, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 357, Realeo wrote:
In post 314, Kmd4390 wrote:Not a fan of Realeo trying to shut down BK's above thought. If there was a way to use the setup, we absolutely should discuss it. It only hurts town not to. He also feels calculated in his so called RVS exit and his reaction to Transcend's vote was pretty defensive. His concerns with notmafia feel fake too. An RVS wagon getting to L-3 is nothing new and notmafia being the one to put it there isn't surprising. Transcend's post 55 is a good point too. I'd probably vote realeo if I was here for all of this.
On your point about "BK's above thought"
1] I am skeptical of setup speccing because I have won a scum game by manipulating setup speccing. The Purge for reference.

2] I have lost a town game because town (imo) is too invested in setup speccing. Mislead 2 is for reference.

3]
Fire and Ice is not a new setup.
If there is a breaking strategy, I expect a) I would know it or b) Open is a moderated forum. Why would Llama give a broken setup? I check the game history and it has been replayed. If the game is broken, I expect it would be fixed (see Duck! Duck! Goose! on how they fixed the setup by adding 1 extra PGO). In Mislead 2 + The Purge, town invested too much in setup speccing and forget the scumhunting part.

TL:DR; I see no way how setup speccing will be helping the town. Even worse, setup speccing is usually NAI because the casual rule of "effort is NAI"

Other has been discussed.

Let us say that there are a lot of things that trigger me in RVS. Can I have your argumentation of me mafia beside RVS?
1) And that's why it makes sense for town to actively discuss it in a game where it makes sense to.

2) Right. You guys probably spent too little time on scum hunting. There's a necessary balance. (Reading your point 3 now, it sounds like that's exactly what happened)

3) I'm not disputing this. Read my post again if you think otherwise.

And for the bottom part, sure, it's been discussed. Doesn't mean I'm satisfied. And I don't consider any of that RVS and am frankly shocked that you are shrugging it off as that. I mean yeah, it's your reaction to RVS stuff, but that doesn't make it RVS itself. Your play since that hasn't done anything to change my mind.

Excellent!

To 1), the risk of 2) > the benefit of 1) but this is subjective to experience. My experience is that the temptation to setup spec is to big than to scum hunt. It's just natural human tendency.

Shrugging off?

That's overkill.

Realeo · Post Post #578 (isolation #71) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 576, SnarkySnowman wrote:VOTE: nn

Alright I'm content with this for
L-2

nn, your scumreads make a ton out of nothing. I agree Gamma is scum; I think your reasoning and the examples you're pulling are pretty weak and don't necessarily line up with why I think Gamma is scum. BK is weak too but a liiittle better. On the flipside, Transcend and Realeo I looked at, your reasoning boils down to the fact that they aren't trying to lynch you - I see what you're saying but it also doesn't really read well to me. That's not to say there aren't genuine feeling reads in there - Josh, for instance, reads legit.

tl;dr the contrast gives me scumvibes pretty hard

Explain the Josh legit.

Realeo · Post Post #584 (isolation #72) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:24 pm

I will appreciate if people don't test the boundary of color blind, ty.

Realeo · Post Post #585 (isolation #73) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:55 pm

In post 239, Rory wrote:
In post 235, Transcend wrote:rory u can't be everyone's friend btw
I'm voting scum right now. If Gamma flips scum I'll gladly lynch Realeo.

No idea on 2nd team yet. Probably somewhere in the inactives.

Now how I'm scum with Gamma?

Realeo · Post Post #586 (isolation #74) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:59 pm

Bk201 for town conftbias.

Realeo · Post Post #587 (isolation #75) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:01 am

In post 247, nn30 wrote:Not much time today. This week is the busiest week I'm going to have for a while.

Scum reading Culted. He's putting very little effort into solving the game.
Scum reading Not_Mafia / Bk201. They are far too happy to sheep onto wagons for my tastes.

You fos everyone who fos you, eh?

Explain Culted putting very little effort into solving the game.

Realeo · Post Post #588 (isolation #76) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:02 am

In post 586, Realeo wrote:Bk201 for town conftbias.

Also

Tr4nscend 4 mafia taking the "stubborn town strategy".

Realeo · Post Post #590 (isolation #77) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:14 am

In post 588, Realeo wrote:
In post 586, Realeo wrote:Bk201 for town conftbias.
Also

Tr4nscend 4 mafia taking the "stubborn town strategy".

I may as well bundle this with this vote.

VOTE: Tr4nsc3nd

Realeo · Post Post #592 (isolation #78) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:17 am

In post 591, Transcend wrote:The fuck

See! Once I vote you, you talk <3

Realeo · Post Post #593 (isolation #79) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:21 am

You say you saw me as a lynch bait and you say that's a gut read.

But during the time where I don't talk a lot and you unvote me, the only thing I said was "I want guacamole" + prompting people to explain it. Nothing to gut read unless I say something nice.

And you're the first(?) to unvote me.

You're not wise town making the right read, you are scum who is quickly evading my wagon, afraid to be called 0pp0rtunistic scum.

Realeo · Post Post #651 (isolation #80) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:51 pm

Hey Gamma! Sheep me @ Trans wagon

Realeo · Post Post #654 (isolation #81) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:53 pm

Hi lg! THW like vote count =]

Realeo · Post Post #656 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 653, Transcend wrote:You're fucking awful

Even that I do have meta of you being gutsy, I cannot back track of where your gut comes from.

Realeo · Post Post #658 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:05 pm

Conf bias: where someone accuses someone first and dig evidence later to proof accusation.

I believe you have confbias, especially of your fever. Fever makes player not optimal.

Pedit. Sweet AtE. Why dont lynch them now? Have your ever been lynched before (as town)?

Realeo · Post Post #661 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:07 pm

I assume you were moody...and prob town.

Realeo · Post Post #662 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:07 pm

In post 659, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait that's quite a terrible idea now that I think about it, I SR nn30 so let's just lynch him
VOTE: nn30
I still think these constant SRs on me are fake as shit.

L-1

Realeo · Post Post #676 (isolation #86) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:05 pm

I can't understand wagon on Rory. My biggest problem with Rory is I can't fully understand his stand.

Realeo · Post Post #688 (isolation #87) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:45 pm

In post 687, nn30 wrote:
In post 686, Kmd4390 wrote:When did you start townreading Rory, lo? You haven't mentioned him since you voted him
I feel like this is an observation a townie would make.

I am confuzed by your naiveness.

Realeo · Post Post #717 (isolation #88) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:46 pm

VOTE: Rory

Only for pressure.

Realeo · Post Post #719 (isolation #89) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 701, Rory wrote:KMD just how do you get to townread someone properly in a multiball game?

I endorse this.

Realeo · Post Post #728 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:56 pm

In post 722, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 717, Realeo wrote:VOTE: Rory

Only for pressure.
Ewwww

We only have 4 days remaining on the lynch clock.

Realeo · Post Post #729 (isolation #91) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:57 pm

In post 727, BK201 wrote:The difference between how I view it and how you do is that you think it means he's not really scumhunting, and I just get a null feel. I can your side, but I also see a townie doing that.

By your "I can your side, but I also see a townie doing that", you mean town!GM? Not sure how to parse the sentence.

Realeo · Post Post #735 (isolation #92) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:00 pm

In post 731, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 726, Gamma Emerald wrote:Look at how he tries to find 4 scum specifically. He's not really scumhunting.
I have never said I was doing this

Yo. Help me on nn, Rico Sauve.

Realeo · Post Post #740 (isolation #93) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:10 pm

I still have Rico Sauve under my radar but I do have to admit that I townread him but the RPG fos.

Realeo · Post Post #741 (isolation #94) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:12 pm

So I 180 Rory (again) and I see "WTF is this wagon?" At first, I thought it was only me not seeing anything....but I didn't see anything when I 180 back.

UNVOTE:

If I conclude correctly, why I see common theme on wagon of RPG, GE, Rory?

Realeo · Post Post #744 (isolation #95) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:13 pm

And why my case on Transcend receives no attention? The consensus ignorance is confuzing me.

Realeo · Post Post #745 (isolation #96) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:14 pm

In post 743, BK201 wrote:
In post 738, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 737, BK201 wrote:I'm now scumreading NM, his own meta working against him now.

Willing to lynch Rory, NN, or NM.
Okay this needs explaining.
Fine, the one scum I found from him. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He just jokes around instead of being helpful.

I can confirm that. Duck! Duck! Goose! is the game that I mod.

Realeo · Post Post #746 (isolation #97) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:15 pm

In post 741, Realeo wrote: If I conclude correctly, why I see common theme on wagon of RPG, GE, Rory?

In post 744, Realeo wrote:And why my case on Transcend receives no attention? The consensus ignorance is confuzing me.

Realeo · Post Post #747 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:16 pm

L3T US 4V01D 3M0T10N4L / P0L1CY LYNCH.

Realeo · Post Post #749 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 748, BK201 wrote:
In post 747, Realeo wrote:L3T US 4V01D 3M0T10N4L / P0L1CY LYNCH.
I don't think anyone is policy lynching here.

My response:

In post 746, Realeo wrote:
In post 741, Realeo wrote: If I conclude correctly, why I see common theme on wagon of RPG, GE, Rory?

If I conclude wrongly, please help me.

Realeo · Post Post #761 (isolation #100) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm

In post 757, nn30 wrote:I'm not fear lynching.

IO might be.

How come IO fear lynch?

Realeo · Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:13 pm

Drum roll please.

If nn!Town, hi' chance Io town.

Realeo · Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:16 pm

In post 764, Realeo wrote:Drum roll please.

If nn!Town, hi' chance Io town.

I take that back. Multiball.

Realeo · Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:23 pm

On an unrelated note, how is life in Merkan with Donald Trump?

Realeo · Post Post #771 (isolation #104) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:37 am

In post 767, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 717, Realeo wrote:VOTE: Rory

Only for pressure.
For one thing, stating that a vote is for pressure relieves a lot of said pressure.

For two, aren't we getting close to deadline?

I don't exactly concur with your answer.

Realeo · Post Post #789 (isolation #105) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:12 am

In post 788, Io wrote:Trans always lolhammers day 1.

Io always gets lynched day 2

*cough*

Realeo · Post Post #847 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:51 pm

I don't get the linear thinking of Josh.

Let me get this straight.

"Scum listens to you so they shoot rory?"

Isn't there something called WIFOM?

Realeo · Post Post #848 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:52 pm

I mean, I will townread that for your naiveness, but alignment aside, your naiveness is bothering me.

Realeo · Post Post #849 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:53 pm

And I still don't understant Rory's wagon. I didn't yesterday. I didn't now.

Realeo · Post Post #851 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:54 pm

So Rico Sauve. With nn flips town, how is your scum list? Still GM/me/??/??

Realeo · Post Post #852 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:57 pm

You know, I jokinlgly mentioned about how Io is always lynched Day 2.

VOTE: Io

Maybe he is.

I have been quite confused at how Bk and Io rolls. Bk seems to take the bystander, but his bystander perspective seems working. With Io, not so much...

I will 180 Io later.

Realeo · Post Post #855 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:00 pm

I still find that naive, but ok.

And Rico Sauve, =/ Seriously.

Realeo · Post Post #857 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:02 pm

In post 854, Not_Mafia wrote:GM/Reealeo/nn/[joshz/Rory]

Seriously.

Realeo · Post Post #859 (isolation #113) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:03 pm

Or does that mean GM/Realeo/Joshz/Rory?

nn stands for nn30

Realeo · Post Post #862 (isolation #114) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:06 pm

UNVOTE:

Nothing suspicious out of Io for the moment after the iso.

Realeo · Post Post #863 (isolation #115) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:08 pm

My only problem with Io is he's lacking explanation.

Realeo · Post Post #872 (isolation #116) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:19 pm

My only problem with Joshz is that, "OMG Nobody dies! Rory is no more scum." If the mentality "OMG Nobody dies! Rory seems townier," I can accept that.

I endorse the anti-town question by N_M, although I'm not sure what does "not convinced nn flip means"

Realeo · Post Post #874 (isolation #117) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:22 pm

In post 873, BK201 wrote:
In post 870, Not_Mafia wrote:Why is that anti-town?
Are you not saying you are not convinced of NN's alignment post-flip?

So that's the meaning? I thought NM was talking about association.

Realeo · Post Post #879 (isolation #118) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:24 pm

Then there is a misunderstanding than, ok.

Realeo · Post Post #882 (isolation #119) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:34 pm

I am an EFL-English as Foreign Language. ESL assumes that I am in a class with the same target language. EFL assumes that I am in a class with the same host language.

The wiki button should lead me to my game. I only have 1 scum game. 4 or 5 Town Game. I haven't update 2 games.

Realeo · Post Post #883 (isolation #120) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:35 pm

In post 881, BK201 wrote:
In post 875, Not_Mafia wrote:Yes
No offense, but you are so confusing. Please try to be helpful because I can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely trying to help.

Unfortunately, his town meta also consists of Trolling or not helping. The reason I haven't scumread him yet is because he haven't show any stand change yet.

Realeo · Post Post #890 (isolation #121) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:18 pm

In post 888, Transcend wrote:Snurkey snowmen mebe town guys idk

Where does this comes from? Do I miss something?

Realeo · Post Post #891 (isolation #122) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:18 pm

Like D1, Realeo maybe lynchbait.

Realeo · Post Post #894 (isolation #123) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:41 pm

Yes. I know Donald Trump. Why?

Realeo · Post Post #898 (isolation #124) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:12 pm

On an unrelated note, I'm not quite sure with kmd...

I look at his iso. Bystander like BK as well, but I don't see hard read like BK.

Hi, Kmd! How you doing?

Realeo · Post Post #902 (isolation #125) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:20 pm

@KMD He fos Josh. I can see his brain. Not a red flag, but not a town tell as well.

Realeo · Post Post #903 (isolation #126) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:20 pm

@BK He fos Josh. I can see his brain. Not a red flag, but not a town tell as well.

Realeo · Post Post #905 (isolation #127) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:23 pm

In post 898, Realeo wrote:On an unrelated note, I'm not quite sure with kmd...

I look at his iso. Bystander like BK as well, but I don't see hard read like BK.

Hi, Kmd! How you doing?

As a clarification: this is refering to D1.

Realeo · Post Post #907 (isolation #128) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:30 pm

In post 810, Joshz wrote:anyways snarky snowman is scum so
VOTE: snarky snowman

Beside Rico Sauve, I think you are the only who didn't explain his nn read

directly

. The only justification for you flip to Rory was nn is being active.

Request explanation on SS plz.

Realeo · Post Post #909 (isolation #129) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:40 pm

It's all awful, which is your argument on SS,l is also your original argument on nn, right?

Realeo · Post Post #911 (isolation #130) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:02 pm

So if SS improved, he's ok?

Realeo · Post Post #913 (isolation #131) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:04 pm

That was my next question.

Realeo · Post Post #919 (isolation #132) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:26 pm

In post 915, Kmd4390 wrote:Josh, entirely possible that you are right about Rory being the kill target. Only problem is that there are too many possibilities and no way to confirm. We can't really make assumptions based on it.

Can you guys explain the bk votes? I remember him feeling pretty obvtown Day 1.

I've been townreading josh,
but his insistence that Rory is town makes me think he might be scum who tried killing Rory.
Worth noting in case Josh flips scum at some point because Rory probably would be town in that case.

lo's 886 feels like an overreaction. I didn't read BK's post as trying to make lo sound stupid or anything like that. If anyone sounds that way, it's lo in that very post.

Realeo, I'm doing well. Thanks for asking.

So my best guess for scum is Snark, Realeo, Culted, and one of Rory or Josh.

Explain the purple one plz.

Realeo · Post Post #921 (isolation #133) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:27 pm

And why it's Rory or Josh?? You said that if scum!Josh -> then town!Rory, but no explanation of scum!Rory -> town!Josh.

Realeo · Post Post #924 (isolation #134) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:37 pm

It's not about the isistnece part. It's about they logic.

They logic is that "his insistence that Rory is town makes me think he might be scum who tried killing Rory"

My question was, why would scum!Josh does that if the analysis is True. It's like Josh is telling the another scum party to kill him because "I know who you kill."

Realeo · Post Post #928 (isolation #135) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:47 pm

In post 924, Realeo wrote:It's not about the isistnece part. It's about they logic.

They logic is that "his insistence that Rory is town makes me think he might be scum who tried killing Rory"

My question was, why would scum!Josh does that if the analysis is True. It's like Josh is telling the another scum party to kill him because "I know who you kill."

1. Why I'm thinking the nk target is Gamma

2. WHY IS THERE NO WAGON ON GAMMA?

No. I don't sr Gamma. But Gammas was hot pursuit D1 and none D2? Something is going on...

Realeo · Post Post #930 (isolation #136) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:51 pm

You shall see that I unvoted later.

Realeo · Post Post #933 (isolation #137) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:53 pm

180 Io = Iso Io

I Iso him later.

Realeo · Post Post #934 (isolation #138) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:53 pm

1 -> I
8 -> S
0 -> 0

I - S - O

Realeo · Post Post #937 (isolation #139) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:58 pm

In post 935, BK201 wrote:This would mean Gamma is town, and scum would know it too, so as scum you might drop Gamma know he's town and try to get the other faction lynched.

Yep exactly. If I were scum who killed Gamma but canceled, I will stop pursuing Gamma since he's town. Especially since this is early game and scum would try to lynch the other scum first.

I would try to do VCA to validate the premise.

Realeo · Post Post #941 (isolation #140) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:05 pm

In post 937, Realeo wrote:
In post 935, BK201 wrote:This would mean Gamma is town, and scum would know it too, so as scum you might drop Gamma know he's town and try to get the other faction lynched.
Yep exactly. If I were scum who killed Gamma but canceled, I will stop pursuing Gamma since he's town. Especially since this is early game and scum would try to lynch the other scum first.

I would try to do VCA to validate the premise.

In post 750, light_ganski wrote:
Official Vote Count 1.10

nn30 (5)
: culted, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390, SnarkySnowman, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (4)
: Transcend, Rory, nn30, Io

Rory (2)
: Joshz, BK201

Not Voting (2)
- Aristophanes, Realeo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

50 posts later

In post 800, light_ganski wrote:
Official Vote Count 1.11

nn30 (7)
: culted, Not_Mafia, Kmd4390, SnarkySnowman, Gamma Emerald, BK201, Transcend

BK201 (2)
: Io, nn30

Gamma Emerald (1)
: Rory

Rory (1)
: Joshz

Not Voting (2)
- Aristophanes, Realeo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

You have (expired on 2016-12-22 21:19:39) until deadline.

Yeah! There is sudden mis-sync! The next largest wagon is Gamma Emerald, yet the current wagon is SS. I wouldn't be surprised if the biggest wagon of the day is GE, but GE is literally is cared by no none.

Let us check the game:

culted, NM haven't make their stand.
Transcend is drunk.
SS won't vote himself.
BK201 is being consistent with {Rory,nn30}

KMD?

In post 915, Kmd4390 wrote:So my best guess for scum is Snark, Realeo, Culted, and one of Rory or Josh.

Eh?

VOTE: KMD

Realeo · Post Post #949 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:48 pm

In post 942, BK201 wrote:More evidence that Rory is scum.

My analysis is only incriminating the voter, not the voted. You make one step too far.

Realeo · Post Post #951 (isolation #142) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:51 pm

Oy, BK. You make a faulty VCA. I used the last two VCA while the VCA that you used is quite mid-game. You are discounting the possibility that there is progress of thought.

Realeo · Post Post #954 (isolation #143) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:59 pm

Ah right. Gamma is they weak town read.

But why they voted him?

Realeo · Post Post #955 (isolation #144) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:01 pm

Wait! They didn't!

UNVOTE:

Realeo · Post Post #956 (isolation #145) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:03 pm

There is a 1 ~ 3 days gap between VC so we need to be cautious.

Realeo · Post Post #957 (isolation #146) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:11 pm

VOTE: Io

Poe vote. Pretty sure the one I haven't iso is Rory (again) and culted. I have isoed LG, to be fair.

Transcend is being consistent with his Snarky vote.
SS (and Rico Sauve?) is the only one who fos GE. Both are being consistent.

Realeo · Post Post #958 (isolation #147) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:13 pm

And I just 180 Ari, literally nothing.

Realeo · Post Post #962 (isolation #148) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:23 pm

In post 961, culted wrote:
In post 809, Transcend wrote:no one else in this table is worthy of a night 1 kill by both factions except for me.

Yo yo Culted!

How are you doing with sorting alignment?

Realeo · Post Post #966 (isolation #149) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:28 pm

In post 964, Gamma Emerald wrote:>:|

Aren't you on a V/LA?

Realeo · Post Post #971 (isolation #150) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:32 pm

Isn't VCA sorting alignment by your standard?

Realeo · Post Post #975 (isolation #151) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:38 pm

I just realized that something is wrong with the VCA.

UNVOTE:

Assuming that we are right with Gamma being NK target, and it's quite a good VCA.

But don't you feel weird that the whole maf team dropped Gamma, and we can only catch Io? Like 1/4. And HOW THE HELL IS RORY? I STILL DON'T GET IT?

Realeo · Post Post #976 (isolation #152) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:39 pm

Your Rory conclusion is a conf!bias. Io is good. N_M is somewhat acceptable.

Realeo · Post Post #977 (isolation #153) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:41 pm

We're eliminating too many people for the theory to be True!

Realeo · Post Post #979 (isolation #154) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:44 pm

What the hell is that?!

And regardless of the VCA, that Io vote stays there.

Realeo · Post Post #981 (isolation #155) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:46 pm

Your townread is random. Just like Transcend.

Realeo · Post Post #982 (isolation #156) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:49 pm

In post 979, Realeo wrote:What the hell is that?!

And regardless of the VCA, that Io vote stays there.

It's funny that your brain un-sync and you realized you unvoted.

Please discard the argument above. Too tired. #NeedANap Will analyze Io later.

Realeo · Post Post #984 (isolation #157) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:57 pm

Since I am tired, please excuse me as I become a Grammar N4z1.

In post 980, culted wrote:You're not use
d
to
getting
be
townread
,
are you
.
?

Spoiler: Notabene

Pedit: @BK: I will play along then. After checking the VC that you used, it sends the wrong message about IO. Later. Not optimal body condition.

Realeo · Post Post #985 (isolation #158) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:59 pm

There is however, a large 3 days gap between VC. You may want to analyze between it and make pseudo VC.

Realeo · Post Post #986 (isolation #159) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:01 pm

In post 983, BK201 wrote:I understand why you think it's conf!bias, but the fact that Rory was on Gamma's wagons, and according to Rory, Gamma was his #1 scum suspect. This means it was likely scum!Rory tried to NK who he thought was scum!Gamma.

Your argument is Rory thought Gamma would kill him, so Rory kill Gama. In Rory's perspective, why would Gamma kill him? Fearkill?

Realeo · Post Post #987 (isolation #160) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:02 pm

Oh wait. He kills him because the another scum. Got it.

Realeo · Post Post #989 (isolation #161) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:12 pm

In post 988, BK201 wrote:"You're not used to being townread, are you?"

"You're not used being townread, are you?" is the correct one. The alternative is, "You're not used to be townread, are you?" Remember the to + infinitive rule?

So I isod Io (again) and I think I just miss a crucial evidence.

You said that IO tunnel Gamma, correct?

So I cross checked my VCA with your VCA.

Then it becomes apparent.

Yes, Io tunnel Gamma massively, but at the end of the day, he scumreads you. The fact that Io scumreads you again in D2 is consistent.

Realeo · Post Post #990 (isolation #162) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:15 pm

We're eliminating too many people on Gamma case.

I don't think Gamma is the nk target?

Wouldn't it be funny if Io is the nk target?

Realeo · Post Post #991 (isolation #163) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:16 pm

In post 990, Realeo wrote:Wouldn't it be funny if Io is the nk target?

Talking about Io being nk target, didn't Gamma Emerald scum read Io? Why not now as well?

Realeo · Post Post #992 (isolation #164) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:19 pm

In post 940, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 915, Kmd4390 wrote:Josh, entirely possible that you are right about Rory being the kill target. Only problem is that there are too many possibilities and no way to confirm. We can't really make assumptions based on it.

Can you guys explain the bk votes? I remember him feeling pretty obvtown Day 1.

I've been townreading josh, but his insistence that Rory is town makes me think he might be scum who tried killing Rory. Worth noting in case Josh flips scum at some point because Rory probably would be town in that case.

lo's 886 feels like an overreaction. I didn't read BK's post as trying to make lo sound stupid or anything like that. If anyone sounds that way, it's lo in that very post.

Realeo, I'm doing well. Thanks for asking.

So my best guess for scum is Snark, Realeo, Culted, and one of Rory or Josh.
Okay WHERE'S THE SUSPICION OF ME?

So we have concluded that the reason KMD didn't vote Gamma is because KMD actually townreads Gamma right, which voids my conclusion.

But why Gamma "Okay WHERE'S THE SUSPICION OF ME?"

Is he scum sheeping me?

VOTE: Gamma

Realeo · Post Post #994 (isolation #165) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:25 pm

In post 927, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 844, BK201 wrote:
In post 842, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 840, BK201 wrote:
In post 838, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 837, BK201 wrote:Transcend throwing his votes everywhere seems to be his town meta, or is it his anything meta?
Everything I guess
tbh I think Trans may be town rn
Why do you think so?
You mentioned meta, and I remembered a meta evaluation I did for another game, and felt this is his town play based on that
I would greatly appreciate it if you quote that meta evaluation post from the other game. I've been trying to figure out Transcend since I saw him on the playerlist.
I can't quote since it's ongoing, but I believe Transcend votes with more conviction as town.

In post 299, Gamma Emerald wrote:Currently thinking Transcend and NM.

Contradiction or I miss something?

Realeo · Post Post #995 (isolation #166) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:26 pm

In post 993, BK201 wrote:Realo, can you think of a more likely NK than Gamma? Why would it be Io? She was largely townread, or at least not scumread, by a lot of players as far as I recall. Scum will be trying to NK other scum in this set-up.

No. I don't say Io is the Nk. That joke gave me food for thought and when I iso (more like skim this time) Gamma again.. Gamma can be scummy

Realeo · Post Post #997 (isolation #167) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:27 pm

So Josh is locked on Rory being the Nk. BK is locked for Gamma being the Nk.

Any one else?

Pedit:@BK. Makes sense.

Realeo · Post Post #998 (isolation #168) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:36 pm

But is my concern @ Gamma valid?

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:03 am

Post 1 000.

Page top!

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:03 am

In post 1001, light_ganski wrote:Don't steal my pagetops

VOTE: LightGangski

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:06 am

In post 1004, Joshz wrote:so regardless of my opinion it was the time of day we needed to consolidate wagons and by ignoring me obvtown got lynched.

But you didn't fight for it?

I mean, I butt head with Bk with the ATN. I tried to shout that there is a common theme between Rory, GE, nn.

But you didn't fight for it? I considered that it's a playstyle issue at first, but you fight like fuuuck with Rory in D2.

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:15 am

Watching Aristophanes play is like watching Danganronpa

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:31 am

In post 1011, Aristophanes wrote:I don't know what it is about Fire & Ice Mafia games that does this, but people always post too much and over analyse everything. This creates huge page counts and lots of walls, but rarely does it get us anywhere.
Like,I'm reading through and seeing very little that's actually case worthy, VCA being done on our 1 town flip, and people throwing out scumreads with no convincing points. What's a poor sheep like me to do!?

I just thought I'd mention it since it's an off phenomenon.

UNVOTE:

Show me then how. =D It doesn't have to be accurate. Just how. I'm open ears. It should be obv that I'm flustered.

In post 1012, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1010, Realeo wrote:Watching Aristophanes play is like watching Danganronpa
I'm gonna assume this is a compliment

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:34 am

In post 1013, Joshz wrote:i stated why im not voting for rory and even said that if people disagree he was the nk they should vote him because everything i said yesterday stands true and hes almost definitely scum.

This logic is only justifiable if you have a stronger read. Do I miss your stronger read?

pedit: to + infinitive.

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:41 am

In post 1011, Aristophanes wrote:I don't know what it is about Fire & Ice Mafia games that does this, but people always post too much and over analyse everything. This creates huge page counts and lots of walls, but rarely does it get us anywhere.
Like,I'm reading through and seeing very little that's actually case worthy, VCA being done on our 1 town flip, and people throwing out scumreads with no convincing points. What's a poor sheep like me to do!?

I just thought I'd mention it since it's an off phenomenon.

Oy, my actual question. How to simplistic scum hunt? =/

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:48 am

So much for Grammar.

I'll work on it. For one thing, NK spec is usually dubious in Nirmal games when a flip occurs. We're making pages on NK spec when we have no evidence of who was targeted. We're pulling shit out of the air that we can't justify in any way and making cases based upon it. Does nobody see how ridiculous this is? I mean, no cases are convincing when their bases are such poppycock!

There is something called POE and I POED gamma out of the NK list.

VOTE: Gamma

So how about my case @ Gamma? I suspect that was a scum slip of a scum who was too excited of being naively townread. (Notice the fact that Gamma used Caps) I got no feedback but simplistic rejection from BK.

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:58 am

In post 1026, Aristophanes wrote:How do you PoE an NK target made by 4 people from 2 alignments which both meant not to cross streams but accidentally did??

TL:DR; The scum, as day phase, is less likely to be pursue on the target because one know he is scum. Wagon at Gamma suddenly dissapear! However, because we're eliminating too many people, so maybe the dissapearnace of Gamma wagon is accidental. I'm tired so please look my banter at BK. The beginning and the end part is important so please do read. The middle part is kinda a shit.

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:14 pm

Realeo is actively lurking

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:17 pm

In post 1030, Kmd4390 wrote:Nothing convinced me to change my vote

Really? I talk a lot of shit and nothing convinced me to change my vote?

My reaction at RVS > Wall exchange at vca/

Not even scummier?

It's impressive.

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:20 pm

In post 1030, Kmd4390 wrote: I'm curious why realeo didn't immediately do that when bringing this up.

I did, but I arrived at the wrong conclusion at you, remember?

Realeo · Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:36 pm

Why wouldn't?

Realeo · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:45 am

In post 1055, Kmd4390 wrote:Realeo, not everything that's noteworthy means a vote needs to move.

Oh. I understand the logic.

But even Trans showed his "position". "I think Realeo is a scum. I think Realeo is a lynch bait."

Not everything is vote worthy, but to say your state (more to townlean or mote to scumlean) is 100% same is impressive.

Realeo · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:43 pm

It's interesting how Rory and KMD never correspond with each other?

Realeo · Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:29 am

Well hello! Merry Christmas.

Jesus comes to Earth to forgive you sin! Unless if you roll mafia in this game... =3 D

Realeo · Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:09 pm

No. That's not about that. I mean, me and Rory also make zero conversation.

What makes it interesting that even if you address him, he didn't respond. I'm pulling my number out of my head (because who iso in Christmas?) but the only time he responds was KmD saying "Rory iso is bad".

Realeo · Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:46 pm

Is it Christmas now?

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:19 pm

VOTE: Aristophanes

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:21 pm

Jesus Christ! It never cross to your mind to vote Ari?

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:48 pm

In post 1092, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1091, Realeo wrote:Jesus Christ! It never cross to your mind to vote Ari?
Why would it?
I don't see much reason. Care to explain?

You don't even have a stand!
You don't even have a read!
You promised one, said that mine is too complex.

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:49 pm

The fact that you don't see much reason is the reason it self!

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:54 pm

"at the beginning"

D2 is NOT the beginning.

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:02 pm

Oh please. Just say "I am scum Aristophanes who prefer not to state my stand so I can keep my options open"

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:29 pm

So, in D2, since there is no data, you just going to sheep the largest wagon?

Realeo · Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:36 pm

In post 1047, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 1045, Transcend wrote:I don't know where to go with this.

I'm gonna safely only hard town read Josh for now.
Why? And has your read on gamma changed at all? If so, why?

A friendly reminder...

Realeo · Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:19 am

In post 1064, havingfitz wrote:Should be caught up by Tuesday.

Hi!

Realeo · Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:02 pm

Internal Realeo computer is analyzing if Josh and BK frustration in town frustration or scum frustation[/b]

Realeo · Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:05 pm

Beep... Booop. Beeep. Bop. Beeeeeeep.

VOTE: BK

Realeo · Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:07 pm

I know you're naturally frustrated, that's why I don't vote you.

Realeo · Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:00 pm

I will address BK's contention later, but here's some signposting:

I do not say that the frustration is faked. I believe that frustration developed by town is different to the frustration developed by scum.