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In post 33, Aubrey wrote:Speedlynch gamma. He clearly doesn't understand what a personal inside joke is.In post 35, Aubrey wrote:Ugh. That was so vague that nobody would have thought anything of it, and was a perfect inside joke till you went and ruined it. Now I'm heart broken, and the only answer is to lynch ya. Gimme a hand here Transcend?
Posts for which I'm voting Aubrey.In post 36, Aubrey wrote:On another note, it's been awhile chilled. How's it going? Lovely weather? You should vote Gamma. For old times sake!-
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I wouldn't be voting you if I didn't think these posts were scum motivated. I think it is evident from a town pov why I pointed these posts outIn post 117, Aubrey wrote:
Congradulations, you still have no reason to think I'm scum. Especially since you are voting me for my RVS entry. Ps: Throwing out three quotes and simply saying "and this is why I'm voting him" isn't presenting a case at all. It's frankly underwhelming.In post 103, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 33, Aubrey wrote:Speedlynch gamma. He clearly doesn't understand what a personal inside joke is.In post 35, Aubrey wrote:Ugh. That was so vague that nobody would have thought anything of it, and was a perfect inside joke till you went and ruined it. Now I'm heart broken, and the only answer is to lynch ya. Gimme a hand here Transcend?
Posts for which I'm voting Aubrey.In post 36, Aubrey wrote:On another note, it's been awhile chilled. How's it going? Lovely weather? You should vote Gamma. For old times sake!
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I don't know whether or not Aubrey's posts were serious. It's too early to tell. 2 ways to react to his rvs Gamma push imo:
1. One or both of Transcend/chilledtea vote Gamma because it's rvs and there's not much of a reason to vote anyone yet so why not?
2. People take the posts as a joke and move on
If the gamma wagon builds as fast as the DDD wagon did and you're scum then maybe a buddy can hammer him, and claim they didn't realize the VC if they're quick enough. Your posts make me paranoid because of the potential motivation scum would have to post them, and they at the same time appear innocent.-
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I mean since there's a 1/4 chance Aubrey's scum I guess 25% would be the chance that those posts have a hidden motive.In post 161, keyenpeydee wrote:From a scale on the core of the earth to the universe, Ssbm, How do you likely find Aubrey's posts as not a joke or not a shit post? Because clearly, there's no evident posts from a town pov on that case you're trying to imply.
@Aubrey - Well I'm clearly in the minority here but my point stands. You can't deny that scum stands to gain from what you posted, because anything posted that early can easily be taken as a joke. It doesn't mean you're scum, it was just what seemed the most suspicious to me at the time that I voted. You seem okay though. Play looks proactive at least. Occam's razor is a neat idea but imo not very useful in a game where there exist people who are trying to hide their true motives.
@Transcend - This is my heart right now </3
Alban, was just thinking the same (SR) about keyen on the reread. Not sure what you mean by laundering but the posts do look fluffy. I don't think I saw any accusation of his yet either. He's letting others make pushes and is picking ones that look supported to back. I don't like 119 either. I was clearly being serious about my Aubrey read at the time.
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I'm not sheeping alban though, he just finished his post about you before me. What he thinks of you did not influence my read on you. You talk about my case on Aubrey as though it was a well-developed, consistent suspicion that I suddenly dropped.
There's nothing funny about taking a step back to reevaluate the game to this point and try a new angle, especially so early on when I'm trying to figure players out. It would be amazing if I could be right all the time with my gut reads D1, but I'm not.-
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Still catching up but it looks to me like alban ignored the explanation aubrey gave. Eric slot was only a scum lean at the time for aubrey because of a few posts that could be attributed to playstyle. Since aubrey works from null reads towards an alignment it's not a stretch to see why he would unvote such an early game replace-outIn post 286, alban wrote:
I agree with this. I had forgotten about the positioning of your unvote.In post 276, Aubrey wrote:I also un-voted the MOMENT Eric requested a replacement, not after he was replaced and LQ displayed immense activity. So scratch this crap of me backtracking cause"I realized LQ is more active and persistent than Eric."
But that brings me to another q.
If you really thought Eric was scummy, you shouldn't have unvoted before clearing his successor. I am not saying you are scummy or townie for doing that, but you can't use that argument in your favour either.-
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tbh I've been watching the way alban has been pushing keyen and that's why I've been so quiet. I didn't have anything further to say about keyen and I wanted to see what alban would do unprompted. When I read the couple pages about Gamma preparing to leave the game last night, before I went to bed, I didn't really have any comment on that since it was resolved that Gamma was staying already. It was a distraction from the game so I didn't want to feed it. First impression upon catching up from last night is that alban's reaction to the votes on him is scum through and through. If I take that into consideration my case on keyen is not as strong because it's pretty much the same as alban's, he just posted his thoughts as I was writing mine up. Surprised at the way Transcend and LQ acted wrt the alban wagon and I think one of them is scum theatering with alban. Not sure which yet.
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I think if alban is scum then either you or transcend are scum because something about that wagon stinks to high hell, it looked really contrived and it was gone in an instant, despite how scummy alban was acting throughout. Makes me think the accusation was fake in the first place and alban was putting on a show, but they were too obvious about it. It was either you and alban or Transcend and alban and like I said I think it's more likely to be Transcend.-
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That's just my suspicion on one of you 2 being the second. I mean hell, you even said "I had to keep up the act for at least a little while." I guess maybe that's an indication it wasn't scum theater after all if you admit to it before I even point it out, but it definitely looked like something was disingenuous about how that wagon formed and faded so quickly. So maybe I'm wrong about there being a partner in you and Transcend, but what if Transcend was putting on a show too? Maybe when he said "something's not right" he was referring to your vote (since it was supposedly a reaction test) but he didn't recognize it was a test so he got out of there?
I don't agree with your conclusions on how alban reacted though. That all looked like scum overreacting to being caught.-
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Why are you defending cracker? They're not going to get lynched while they're not posting, this is just going to light a fire under them. If they're scum trying to skate it will encourage them to post, and if they're just softly V/LA or done with this game they'll either post something real or replace out.-
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What do you think about me voting alban? I noticed I was left out of this post and I'm pretty sure I'm the only player you left off. I've also pushed both of your townreads this game, and it seems like a lot of people think my pushes on them are bad, so why don't you address that at all? Unless I missed it earlier lolIn post 715, Toto wrote:Everyone is just voting randomly in this game and no body is asking questions. When I ask questions I get nil answers back, and nobody seems to care.
Gamma whats your case against Trascend? Why are you not questioning him?
Trascend, whats your case against LQ? Why not questioning him?
LQ why are you still voting an empty slot? How are you going to question an empty slot?
All these behaviors are scummy.
Lethargy/Chilled/Keyen/Dave have provided very little ACTUAL content. Deer and Cracker have pratically not been in the game.
Dave's every second post of his little list of posts is scummy yet no one wants to vote him. Town!dave unvotes to avoid a ML at RVS and then suddenly changes his attitude from careful townie to a reckless one by self voting. Then he says both votes were meme votes. I've been trying to get a read list from him but at this point he is just balantly game avoiding.
Gamma is showing 0 scumhunting in their content. Read their ISO. Look at the way he is replying to my questions. Tell me if you believe the answers. I have 0 feedback from everyone else.
If either of them flips scum Trascend would be my next best guess since there is a good chance he was chainsawing me. All he does is provides empty reads / votes and doesn't do anything to really move the game forward.
My only town reads today have been Aubrey and to a lesser extent Alban. Alban you have a really bad sense of humor but I think you are town.
@Transcend - Can you explain what you thought "wasn't right" back in post 489 when you unvoted alban?-
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Like I originally said I'll probably sheep transcend by deadline if my reread doesn't dig anything up. I'm planning on doing my dig after work tonight. Just because others who are null reads to me don't see my top SR getting lynched does not mean I will unvote them. If I had strong townreads on several people who all were saying alban is town and I'm wrong I would consider unvoting until I dug through the game. There has been such a lack of activity in this game by so many slots that it is difficult to establish reads with any real value to them, because not everyone is interacting with one another. Without first doing my deep note-taking I'd say LQ is my only TR.
I think alban is scum. If alban is scum, Transcend is scum with him. Transcend is a likely target for a NK if he's town though, so I don't see any merit in lynching Transcend before alban, since he is only conditionally scum with alban imo. Transcend, as town, has good reads. This is why I would be willing to sheep him by the deadline. I want to take a close look at toto during my reread tonight though, since he seems to be pinging people and Transcend has FoSed him this game.-
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In post 838, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I'll prolly sheep Transcend by deadline on reputation alone tbh but I will do a focused reread tomorrow, hosting a dank melee tournament at my house tonight so I'll be off.In post 860, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Sheeping Transcend as in voting for the player you're voting for, since I'm not sure if you're scum, even though this is the most suspicious I've been of you since you mislynched me in 1850 (and I was wrong about you that time)
Kk so here's the sheep posts. Transcend is a hard player to read through what he posts, because it looks the same whether he is town or scum. This is why I always try to find out if Transcend is scum based on how other players interact with him, and based onIn post 932, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Like I originally said I'll probably sheep transcend by deadline if my reread doesn't dig anything up. I'm planning on doing my dig after work tonight. Just because others who are null reads to me don't see my top SR getting lynched does not mean I will unvote them. If I had strong townreads on several people who all were saying alban is town and I'm wrong I would consider unvoting until I dug through the game. There has been such a lack of activity in this game by so many slots that it is difficult to establish reads with any real value to them, because not everyone is interacting with one another. Without first doing my deep note-taking I'd say LQ is my only TR.
I think alban is scum. If alban is scum, Transcend is scum with him. Transcend is a likely target for a NK if he's town though, so I don't see any merit in lynching Transcend before alban, since he is only conditionally scum with alban imo. Transcend, as town, has good reads. This is why I would be willing to sheep him by the deadline. I want to take a close look at toto during my reread tonight though, since he seems to be pinging people and Transcend has FoSed him this game.whohe TRs and SRs. He rarely explainswhyhe TRs or SRs people, and when he does, it's usually vague. Transcend has a reputation for being a skilled player as both alignments. Skilled at catching scum as town, and skilled at not getting lynched as scum.
I began developing a scumread on alban for how hard he was pushing keyen, partly because I know that keyen is a player that is easy to push. The way alban reacted to that quick wagon with LQ and Transcend voting and unvoting in succession made him look scummier and I thought that one of LQ or Transcend would be scum with him. Talking it over with LQ after helped me reshape that opinion; I now think it is possible that if alban is scum that one or the other of LQ and Transcend is scum with him, but it is not necessary that they are partners. I still think that a scum!alban flip makes Transcend look very suspicious, but I don't have other serious SRs yet this game. There are a lot of players I'm not comfortable giving a read on due to lack of interactions with several players and low activity in general. In 860 I admitted that "this is the most suspicious I've been of you since you mislynched me in 1850 (and I was wrong about you that time)." Last time I suspected Transcend and he suspected me, we were both wrong about each other. This is why I am willing to give pause and trust in his read to sheep if I can't find a good suspect in a reread.-
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I don't think you're following what I'm saying. Transcend is only associatively scum if alban turns out to be scum. Until I know that alban is scum I'm not going to vote Transcend unless: 1) he or another player make other associative tells to lead me to believe he is scum with that player, and 2) that player is revealed by flip to be scum. I would of course vote him if I felt like he was openly scumtelling but his town play looks scummy which is why I don't judge him on his words alone, but on how others interact with him.In post 934, chilledtea wrote:VOTE : ssbm_Kyouko
"I have a scum read on alban. If alban is scum, then transcend is scum. If transcend is town however, he will be nkd. BTW I am going to sheep transcend bcoz he tends to have good reads."
If you are town this is the most ridiculous line of thought ever. Sheeping someone who is your possible scum read is just ridiculous.-
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Word of mouth in the several games we've been in together. Obviously can't go into anything specific besides PP's Mini Normal 1850, but people gave you credit there. That game is the first we played together and after that I decided a good strat regardless of alignment was to buddy you because if you're scum I'll live long enough to spot associations and if you're town you won't mislynch me again. It also works if I'm scum because scum buddy town.In post 949, Transcend wrote:How do you know about my (relatively decent) reputation btw.-
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These are the posts that made me reconsider if alban's push on keyen was genuineIn post 947, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I began developing a scumread on alban for how hard he was pushing keyen, partly because I know that keyen is a player that is easy to push. The way alban reacted to that quick wagon with LQ and Transcend voting and unvoting in succession made him look scummier and I thought that one of LQ or Transcend would be scum with him.In post 299, alban wrote:In post 297, keyenpeydee wrote:Lol. I am not Active Lurking.Your words against my reads. Any guesses, which one will I trust more?
I don't wanna appear patronising, especially if you are town, but surely there's something more that you could be doing with your posts?In post 369, alban wrote:Keyen, i am scum reading you at the moment. If you are a town, you should try to answer rather than getting defensive n omgusing n discrediting me, coz your answers can help me look elsewhere. You being defensive isn't helping the situation. My q are fairly straightfwd.
1. Why is aubrey your first real town read?
2. What does null scum mean according to you, and why am i nullscum?
A third q springs to mind.
3. You said you are null/townreading everyone except me n ssbm. We are also the only two who are suspecting you.Is there a cause-effect relationship between who is suspecting you and whom you are suspecting?
The bolded are what jumped out at me. The questions in the first two quotes feel rhetorical/antagonistic rather than feeling like genuine attempts to clear a suspect. The third quote tells people a Cracker lynch is useless (probably true, they haven't said much) and to vote keyen insteadIn post 455, alban wrote:You guys realise that this kind of wagon isn't going to work on someone like Cracker, right?
Most likely she will give up or come up with an outlandish post, which will further confirm your suspicions on her.
Plus, lynching her isn't gonna be useful in any way.. Look at his posts. There's a lot more scope for improvement there. And they are capable of giving a defence.
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There isn't just one scum though. Associations are useful for catching scumIn post 951, Gamma Emerald wrote:This playstyle will lose the game. Stop looking for associations and look for individual scumminess.-
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Toto has barely posted more than you, but his posts are at least substantive. This wagon is building too quickly, there are probably already 2 scum on it imo. I'm going back to double down Dave, he is trying to discredit what Toto is doing and isn't making an attempt to find scum, just going with the flow now that there is opportunity for him to place what looks like a somewhat acceptable vote. He is also saying he's not going to listen to what Toto has to say because toto called him David, yet he is voting Toto. Town should be paying close attention to their suspects to decide how sure they are of their suspects being scum, but Dave admits he is ignoring the player he's voting for.In post 1008, PsychoticDave wrote:VOTE: Toto
You're targetting someone would could be easilly mislynched based on activity.
VOTE: DoubleDownDave-
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I intend to vote toto if it comes to deadline but I think the case on them seems weak and I would prefer Dave. Neither of them have been incredibly scummy but Dave isn't even contributing. The way I see it they've got similarly low chances of flipping scum, but I would rather toto be alive tomorrow than dave.
Consider how sure you really are of toto before you commit to deadlining him over Dave. Don't forget about the self-voting and the way Dave avoids accusations brought to him by Toto, as well as the way Dave ignores interaction from the player he's voting.-
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Yeah I'm usually active but there's not much to act on when there are like 3 completely/nearly inactive slots. Me, you, Transcend, alban, aubrey, and recently gamma/chilledtea/KAIN TEPES are all that are really keeping up. Working a lot lately (8 8hr days in a row, tomorrow is the last of those 8) but I did my reread a few nights ago at least.
This is the only site I've played on, and I'm not an alt. I've played Avalon twice irl and watched people play mafia on stream at Smash Summit, a super smash bros melee (ssbm) house tournament. I wanted to play really bad after that so I googled where to play mafia online-
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Dave. I'm reading this player list and I don't have a solid tr on anyone yet which really sucks. Makes it hard to feel good about lynching anyone in particular since so many of you are acting scummy.
Chilledtea is probably the last person I'd lynch today simply because they haven't done anything to make me really suspicious yet and they're somewhat active.
List of players I've seriously thought were scum at some point this game
Aubrey
Albany
Dave
Keyenpeedee
Transcend
Lq
Toto
Gamma
Lethargy slot and scumdeers have been really inactive today.
Just to be clear I don't even tr chilledtea, it's just that the rest of you have looked bad in comparison at some point today for some reason or another. Can give reasons for all on my list even if the reasons no longer stand as strong as they once did-
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