Obvious scum.
If Bang reads this thread backwards, I want him autolynched
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Did the town read come after that vote and reaction, or did you town read Alisae before that?In post 106, Hawk wrote:Fair enough. Townread Alisae. I may have tried to move us out of RVS fairly quickly as this is my first forum mafia game and I'm a bit excited to play lol.In post 105, Alisae wrote: You're trying to get us out of RVS. Scum feel super uncomfortable in RVS.
UNVOTE: Alisae
Why don't you vote for scum leans? Because to me, this is similar scenario to fence sitting, and if some sort of wagon forms on them, you'd jump on and say well I did have a scum lean read on them so I think it's a viable wagon for me to join. Scum tend to join wagons, rather than actually contribute to begin one. I know you have stated reasons and actually interacted with him, but if I have any sort of scum read whether it's a leaning towards scum, slight scum read, to heavy scum read, that's where my vote would be.In post 127, Alisae wrote:Yeah, I do have a scumlean on him. But if I strongly felt he was scum at this point, I would have felt safe voting him. I don't yet.
I think it's a scum mentality that doesn't chase down scum leans, but would rather sit on the fence till someone actually starts it up.In post 158, Alisae wrote:Why are you commeting on my playstyle?In post 157, Kop wrote:Why don't you vote for scum leans? Because to me, this is similar scenario to fence sitting, and if some sort of wagon forms on them, you'd jump on and say well I did have a scum lean read on them so I think it's a viable wagon for me to join. Scum tend to join wagons, rather than actually contribute to begin one. I know you have stated reasons and actually interacted with him, but if I have any sort of scum read whether it's a leaning towards scum, slight scum read, to heavy scum read, that's where my vote would be.In post 127, Alisae wrote:Yeah, I do have a scumlean on him. But if I strongly felt he was scum at this point, I would have felt safe voting him. I don't yet.
If you have a scum lean, wouldn't you rather further the game by actually trying to force an opinion that can actually alter your read on said person.In post 160, Alisae wrote:I know it's not.
But he's still doing it.
Once I wonder why he's commenting on my playstyle currently, I'll answer his question.
In post 163, Alisae wrote:Kop that's fair.
But sofar I like how he's pressuring Mala. Seems genuine and a town thing to do.
VOTE: Mala
Your read on Kain shouldn't resolve down to no scum would want that attention.In post 198, Alisae wrote:Mala, you were scum, but then you were questioning me like you currently are so I dunno where to put you. Also you weren't around during RVS and was like "Tell me when RVS is over."
Inno said that dumb questions are scummy and that's why I voted him. It's like hes trying to discredit people. And I don't like that.
Hawk I just dunno what to make of his shit so he is null.
Kain is town because no way in hell would scum want the attention he has currently. His typography honestly has nothing to do with it.
It may be me being paranoid but I am suspicious that you only town read me after I've only made 8 posts, and 6 of them were questioning your mentality. Are you trying to pocket me?In post 196, Alisae wrote:Mala Null, Scumlean
InnocentVillager Scum.
Hawk Null
Kop town.
Aubrey Town
Kain Town.
Aelin Townlean
Everyone else, null.
It's not dumb, it's a valid question. We need to find out the correct stance she is taking, because at the moment, we don't know what position she is taking on the whole situation, one minute she is in this camp, then the next post, she's in a different camp.In post 185, innocentvillager wrote:dumb questions are scummy
I don't mind the vote changes, but it would be nice to see how or why she has taken different stances, rather than wavering around without any notice.In post 211, Spade_Ace wrote:In post 168, Kop wrote:In post 163, Alisae wrote:Kop that's fair.
But sofar I like how he's pressuring Mala. Seems genuine and a town thing to do.
VOTE: Mala
This post stinks of a full 180 turn towards Hawk.I don't have any issues with her vote changes so early in the game. I would be more concerned if she is just sticking to her initial vote and not ready to change as she gets more information. Isn't it too early to talk about 'different camps'.In post 209, Kop wrote:It's not dumb, it's a valid question. We need to find out the correct stance she is taking, because at the moment, we don't know what position she is taking on the whole situation, one minute she is in this camp, then the next post, she's in a different camp.In post 185, innocentvillager wrote:dumb questions are scummy
Her post 201 seems town to me. Scum would not want to look so wavering.
@IV I'm assuming your post where you said dumb questions was aimed towards this post.In post 183, Aubrey wrote:Didn't you just say Hawks pressuring on Mala seemed genuine and a town thing to do though...?In post 176, Alisae wrote:I scumlean you both. I scumlean Mala harder.
So has your opinion changed towards IV?In post 290, Spade_Ace wrote:@Lil The question was more directed at Crystalline Dagger. I did an ISo on him and apart from post 222 most of his posts have been irrelevant. They are either hydra clarifying themselves, about Pokemon, about Transcend or about the 'water washy' thing. I know it is an RVS, Crystalline, but do some kind of scumhunting else it looks as if you are just trying to look involved.
Also his one original post 222, he says 218 of IV made him thing IV was a scum. I actually felt 218 made IV lean more towards town. It seems as if he is trying subtly join the IV wagon.
VOTE: Crystalline Dagger
I was being sarcastic. Nobody can be obvious scum straight away.In post 408, bangthemafia wrote:@Kop, can you explain? Also why is spade an obv scum to you?In post 80, Kop wrote:VOTE: Spade Ace
Obvious scum.
If Bang reads this thread backwards, I want him autolynched
This vote sucks. It's opportunistic would be an understatement.In post 448, KainTepes wrote:I'm all up for pressuring SPADE..... SPADE was always scum in all the games i played and his style of playing isnt different from the other games,,
VOTE: SPADE
Not many people respond well to wagons, especially wagons that is looking for them to be lynched, because sometimes trying to explain yourself to not get lynched, sometimes people never listen and hammer anyway.In post 457, Alisae wrote:From what I remember he usually doesn't respond that well to huge fucking wagons on him.
And the majority of this game it seemed like we were in a state of apathy. Unless I'm wrong about this.
Scums favourite quote/scenario. Let derp town hammer, know where focus is going to be. This is the wrong mentality if your town. You don't automatically call for the hammerer to be lynched, especially if it's a derp hammer. Focus on them, yes, lynch them, no, not until all avenues have been exhausted.In post 465, Alisae wrote:Then gimmie your vote. We can get a better read on him and if someone lolhammers then we know who we're lynchin the next day.
You shouldn't need to change your mentality for something that happened in the previous game, I'm sorry. Each game has different set of players, different mentalities, different philophsies, different attitudes towards the game. Not every game ends the same way.In post 494, Spade_Ace wrote:Guys, sorry, wasnt paying much attention to this game. Was more focused on a thriller that just got over. My previous town game in Open, i attracted way too much attention on day1 and ended up being scumread. My wagon reached L-1 and had to claim. I got killed that night. So i decided it was wiser to be less active this time. It seems whatever i do, am being scumread. Bang, kop, Saj and gamma, whoever isnt scum, please back me up. You have seen my play before.
I have poor reads on everyone, so far. Ill need to go back and read the game again.
Mala will have covered this already, but I am adding my two pennith to it. I don't agree with you bringing the whole point back up, I'd have actually liked you to have noted this down mentally and brought it up if and when absolutely necessary. Yes you say scum would have seen it, but there could be a chance that they may have forgotten about it. This is why when people crumb roles, and if I see it, I make a note of it and never think about it again, because bringing it back up to make a point towards it, you are refreshing scums minds in regards to this.In post 514, Spade_Ace wrote:She seems to have bread crumbed (stuff I have marked in green). It can either be:In post 191, Malakittens wrote:I haven't yet decided how I lean on the three you mentioned so far. I liked the Hawk getting us out of RVS, but I don't like his early reads.
Yes KT and IV will both be pia reads for me.
Maybe they will be vigged for my sanity.In post 155, Hawk wrote:Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.
1) An innocent random town post: If so why did she go to the extra efforts of making the size small.
2) It is a Vig soft claim. If it is, then it is a DUMB DUMB Obvious one. Cos i noticed ryt away while doing the ISO.
3) It is a scum, who wants to later claim she was a Vig. And show proof that she had already breadcrumbed.
4) She is directing the vig to kill someone.
@Mala please explain. If you are indeed Vig then Scum would have definitely noticed it and is purposefully quite about it.
From a previous game, Jin was actually lynch bait at certain points of the game because of his playstyle. However once the game started to unravel, he actually came more into the game and putting points forward to who he thought was scum, he was town in that game. So I'm not scum reading him in his hydra right now because from what I've seen in this game.In post 543, Hawk wrote:Uninterested town or hiding scum. Chances are you're town just not seeing much to comment on through all the BS this game. I agree with the IV post from your ISO but never leaned him so hard as to vote him.
Would much rather vote Alisae or Aelin right now I think. I like Spade when he's active despite the bad call on saying something about Mala's soft Vigiclaim. I don't like that that happened. I don't fault him tho. I asked him to elaborate cause I didn't think it would be something like that.
Can we get back to Alisae? I'm less mad at CD if they plan to actually post content which they already have that gives me a better feeling about not scum reading that slot.
PEdit: dually noted Jin I just don't have the time to read into people's metas or I would. Plus its kinda fun trying to blind read you guys. Especially since ya'll have to blind read me.
I haven't cleared them in my eyes. I am specifically saying what I've seen from them when playing with them in previous games. This game I don't see any scum or town in them right now because they haven't done anything that gives me vibes to say if they are town or scum.In post 589, Aubrey wrote:If you don't like using meta as a way to locate suspects, why would you use it as a way to try and clear someone?In post 574, Kop wrote:
This is why I don't use meta to use suspicion on a player, the focus alone should be whats said in THIS game, not a game from months ago.
In post 543, Hawk wrote:Uninterested town or hiding scum. Chances are you're town just not seeing much to comment on through all the BS this game. I agree with the IV post from your ISO but never leaned him so hard as to vote him.
Would much rather vote Alisae or Aelin right now I think. I like Spade when he's active despite the bad call on saying something about Mala's soft Vigiclaim. I don't like that that happened. I don't fault him tho. I asked him to elaborate cause I didn't think it would be something like that.
Can we get back to Alisae? I'm less mad at CD if they plan to actually post content which they already have that gives me a better feeling about not scum reading that slot.
PEdit: dually noted Jin I just don't have the time to read into people's metas or I would. Plus its kinda fun trying to blind read you guys. Especially since ya'll have to blind read me.From a previous game, Jin was actually lynch bait at certain points of the game because of his playstyle. However once the game started to unravel, he actually came more into the game and putting points forward to who he thought was scum, he was town in that game. So I'm not scum reading him in his hydra right now because from what I've seen in this game.
Gamma, from what I can remember in the games we played together, he was eccentric in terms of his voting, suspicion, he was generally all over the place. I don't see the same in this game, but obviously he could have altered his game style being in a hydra with Jin.
@CD, have you got any reads right now?
Why does he take precedence over Alisae, someone you've seemed to have had issues with most this game?
There is something in this post that just doesn't agree with me, I can't quite put my finger on it. I think Aelin here is trying to distance herself from this whole suspicion that is on KT, and trying to justify that she 'knew' something.In post 736, Aelin wrote:What is the reason for the scumread? I'm usually pretty tame on MS compared to MU.
But the reason for you acting differently adds up to you being a PR this game not you being scum instead I realised Kain.
This whole justification sucks. This reeks of trying to buddy up to someone who is possibly calling for her lynch.In post 753, Aelin wrote:Post is very reasonable and I feel like scum hypothetically who wanted to make it look like Mala was softclaiming would not back down and could secure a lynch on Mala as lynchbait for "softclaiming vig".In post 739, bangthemafia wrote:I dont know why, but i hav startes getting a feeling that Alisae cud be a town.
I also thought all along that Mala had soft claimed. But if not, she cud be a townie too.
In that case, maybe we can lynch Aelin.
Pedit: KT, I dont find anything scummy. Please remember your crumbs were not picked up by many. And you did act very jumpy in last few pages
Also, i hav seen thia happen many times- when someone is a conftown due to being investigated or due to claiming, they start guiding the town against those eho suspected them- in my opinion its NAI. If someone is scummy, even townies will suspect them right?
And duw to the burden oof some extra knowledge, sometimes PRs do tend to behave in a way thats similar to acum.
I m signing out. Its 3.30 am here. But please dont wagon anyone beyond L-2.
Do you honestly believe I would leave my vote parked on a claimed vig? I said I didn't know that you had crumbed well before you finally claimed what you are.In post 1038, KainTepes wrote:i think KOP is more likely scum than MALA tbh,, KOP just voted me yesterday and when i reveal VIG he just UNVOTED,, said a one liner about how he didnt know and never posted agaain
I've already explained this. I don't know how many more times you want me to wash it and repost it.In post 1052, KainTepes wrote:he voted me and unvoted and vanished
He hasn't got a case, what you have already said, that's the case. He likes to rehash the same phrase, reword it, twist it and put it back out there. I'm just awaiting for it too be put in capitals.In post 1100, bangthemafia wrote:I am fine lynching Mala or IV. Mala coz she is the most duspicious as of now. IV coz he is not doing anything that helps the town. There is not enough content from both of them.
I also feel a scum could lie between a Spade and CD. But I have played with both and they could both be of great value as citizens. So I dont want to lose a town!CD or a town!spade. But if it comes to a wagon, I will vote for any of them.
About Kop, I just don't know what the case is, KT. I understand Kop was after you, then u claimed, then he unvoted. What about that? I can very well see a town!Kop also doing that. So why dont you walk me through Kop's case?
Also, can we hav the latest vote count?
@KT if you believe I'm pushing easy lynches, can you point these out please.In post 1103, Aubrey wrote:If I were to be a KT translator, I think his main issue with you is that he thinks you are pushing easy lynches mixed with the fact that you only appear every so often.In post 1101, Kop wrote:He hasn't got a case, what you have already said, that's the case. He likes to rehash the same phrase, reword it, twist it and put it back out there. I'm just awaiting for it too be put in capitals.In post 1100, bangthemafia wrote:I am fine lynching Mala or IV. Mala coz she is the most duspicious as of now. IV coz he is not doing anything that helps the town. There is not enough content from both of them.
I also feel a scum could lie between a Spade and CD. But I have played with both and they could both be of great value as citizens. So I dont want to lose a town!CD or a town!spade. But if it comes to a wagon, I will vote for any of them.
About Kop, I just don't know what the case is, KT. I understand Kop was after you, then u claimed, then he unvoted. What about that? I can very well see a town!Kop also doing that. So why dont you walk me through Kop's case?
Also, can we hav the latest vote count?
It was a case that nobody was going in that direction, the flow was going towards who everyone suspected within IV, Mala at that stage and we needed a majority. Only IV I think was aiming for Spade.In post 1178, Hawk wrote:In post 1079, Kop wrote:I won't be voting for Mala, because that wagon formed way to quickly for my liking, and gives me the impression that slot is a mislynch. I'm not town reading Mala, but I just don't have high confidence that Mala will flip red.
Right now, I think scum is lying within CD, Spade.
VOTE: SpadeHey Kop what did Spade do between these two posts to become clear from your sus list?... I'm really feeling Kop Spade right now guys...In post 1126, Kop wrote:VOTE: IV
It would be between him, Mala or a outside shot of Crystaline Dagger.
Yeah well if I get lynched, and it does show that I am the backup role cop, shoot Spade and lynch you tomorrow because this is a blatant scum claim if I've ever seen one.In post 1198, Crystalline Dagger wrote:trust spade more, the sudden vote by aubrey feels scummy
gamma head vla until sunday
False. I suspect that CD is now your partner, he was 2 from a lynch and suddenly the mention of BBC comes up you need to draw attention away from CD, you are now trying to guarantee he survives another day.In post 1196, Spade_Ace wrote:Of course. What else could you do.
VOTE: Kop
Aubrey he is faking it. Scum have no choice but to counter claim. If the scum pair is (kop,CD), then they knew they would lose tonight itself if one was lynched and the other shot. Lynch him.
Yeah a classic scum tactic, shoot the people who are town reading you then the kill alone doesn't lead back to you.In post 1205, Spade_Ace wrote:Also do you really believe as scum I would lead the wagon on my scum partner Aelin?? That I would night kill Lil, one of the very few ppl who were town reading me on day1 and again night kill bang, someone who thought i was a town towards the end of day 2???
Use your senses ppl!!! Am being set up.
In post 298, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah I agree, his catchup and his vote feels he like only put it together because he was called out by Alisae. Filler is NAI and I don't see a problem with clarifying things to avoid confusion in the future.
VOTE: Spade
In post 319, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why aren't you voting for Spade then?
What are you trying to say here?
Went through the ISO of Lil, these are his last posts that mention Spade.
In post 1254, Hawk wrote:In post 376, Aubrey wrote::/In post 374, Aelin wrote:Do you scumread Spade Aubrey.
I'm not inclined to vote him right now. Otherwise my vote would be on him.In post 515, Aubrey wrote:You do realize pointing out anything that could resemble a power-role is not wise right?In post 518, Aubrey wrote:???In post 517, Spade_Ace wrote:If she indeed is, then is it not better to know now than after she flips dead tmrw.In post 920, Aubrey wrote:In post 918, Aelin wrote: Aubrey do you actually have reads on Alisae or I at all or are you going to just skit around the 2 main wagons all day
Like seriously? I've been hounding Alisae all day. At this point every push you've made against me has been outlandish.UNVOTE: AubreyIn post 971, Aubrey wrote:If we are worried about a no lynch the safest option would be to lynch Aelin...
Why did you vote, then unvote, then revote? What is your logic here?
I see both arguments in regards to the Aelin lynch.In post 1271, Aubrey wrote:You argue to kop saying it more likely for scum to hammer and reap the rewards.
I argue to Kop saying it better for scum to single handedly manipulate the wagon onto their scum buddy to reap the rewards while setting up a trap should anyone convince you to change your vote.
I'm slowly making my way through ISO of you both, and writing down certain things that are catching my eye, and those I will have questions for.In post 1284, Aubrey wrote:No offense taken. Just gives me an excuse to post that iconic scene.In post 1282, Hawk wrote:My bad Aubrey. I'll try and get the pronouns right.Doesn't help I have a Devil Wears Prada avi I suppose either.
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Kop, do you have any questions or anything? Or are you just enjoying this cat fight.
Sorry, was asleep all day yesterday, I've contracted a bug that has resulted in me sleeping, and toilet for the whole of 24 hours. I'm still not 100% but I'm here now.In post 1289, Aubrey wrote:I see, we won't be getting your thoughts tonight more than likely. I'll try and check in at some point on my trip. :l
Here you say is the top prospect for a bus is spade, indeed that turned out true. You also claimed IV can't be scum because he didn't hammer Alisae when that slot was at L-1.In post 1003, Hawk wrote:I want further clarification here but until then can we look at that final VC from yesterday.
Mala, Kop, KT and Aelin were still on Alisae at the end of the day. KT is confirmed Vigi and Aelin was Scum. We need to address the possibility of more Scum between Mala and Kop.
IV didn't vote but he also didn't Hammer when Alisae was at L-1 So I don't think he's scum...
Top Scum buser for me is Spade.
so here's where my vote is starting.
VOTE: Spade
13 posts later, your voting for Mala and claiming that both Malas and Spades ISO read scummy when you read Aelins too. Roll further on:In post 1016, Hawk wrote:Same. Mala and Spade's ISO's read very scummy when you read Aelin's too.
VOTE: Mala
Things are altering, to a point I'm starting to have doubts. I am aware things alter from time to time, but you've gone far away from things that doesn't make easy reading.In post 1064, Hawk wrote:Bang? Wut? Please elaborate a bit on your question towards me. I explained my reasoning for why I originally voted KT. I thought Mala was soft claiming Vigi and did not like KT pressing her further. When KT hard claims Vigi then I switch for obvious reasons. His hard reasoning later came as me voting him thinking I knew he was crumbing as Vigi but I did not.
Also since you're digging through ISO's I'd like it if you'd give reads on Spade and Mala based of their ISO's and Aelins. Fairly certain there is scum between one of those two.
Gnight. We're in opposite timezones I guess have a good night's rest.
VOTE: Kop
When I get off work I'll have more but right now I want some content fromantic Kop so I don't mind voting here since I think one of Kop or Mala is scum. Still heavily leaning Mala tho.
Top prospect of scum bussing now doesn't have a partner after all, you were scum reading him.In post 1085, Hawk wrote:Will flesh this out later but leaving this for other people to talk about.
Hawks: Scum pairs.
Mala Kop
Mala CD
CD Kop
fairly certain these are most likely. I'll get back to it after work.
KT Bang reads town to me. Seems genuine and showing inactive with his posts at trying to gamesolve.
Where did IV get you to scum read him, you claimed about 90 posts earlier that IV couldn't be scum.In post 1116, Hawk wrote:I'm all for lynching IVIn post 1115, KainTepes wrote:then lets just lynch Mala or IV today then
Here's my current reads
Town:
Hawk
Alisae (Dead)
Uzi (Dead)
KT (Claimed Vigi)
Strong Town Lean:
Aubrey
Bang
Null to slight one way or the other:
Spade
Kop
Strong Scum Lean:
Mala*
CD*
IV*
Scum:
Aelin (Dead)
(At least one of these three is Scum I’m sure of it. If I’m wrong good job scumteam on being terrible in the voting phase.)
I'll get to my reasoning behind a few in a minute I know I've kinda flipped back and forth off of Spade and Kop but I honestly couldn't figure out motivations for them and have been trying to draw up a scum team that makes sense from how the votes went yesterday. Honestly I think IV is more likely Scum than Mala but I'm not discounting the possibility. I say lets lynch IV
I'll explain my read in the next post. I have access to my computer so I can make it a little easier than I've been trying via mobile.
VOTE: IV
I think this was the last post that contained reads.In post 844, Spade_Ace wrote:@Hawk confirmation bias much?? Did you check out the very first sentence on my Mala read?
I didn't know what to make of the breadcrumb issue, didn't clearly understand Mala's response to it and everyone seemed to think it was a bad idea. So I 'kept that aside' from my read. I gave a scumlean way before Kain claimed Vig. How is this being opportunistic? Also unlike everyone else I dont believe exposing breadcrumbs is anti-town.
Also explain to me how I am distancing myself from Aelin? She is clearly dragging me down with her. I have been calling her out on her convenient scumread from the start.
Hawk I am starting to really not like you. You simply used Alisae's argument,Post 555 against me. Your breadcrumb issue was already explained in detail by Kop and bang. Do you not have any original thoughts or arguments??
Also, what is the deal with everyone about my reads.
Scum - Aelin, Mala
Scum leaning - Alisae, hawk
NULL -IV, CD, bang, Lil
Town - Aubrey, Kop, Kain
Expected CD to be defensive against my accusations. He simply didn't care. Quite indifferent throughout the game.
VOTE: Aelin