Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[Prince Lyon]

I mean at this point it doesn't matter what his alignment is, he needs to go.

[Prince Lyon]

I didn't ask your opinion Schadd

[Prince Lyon]

Eminem lyrics, really?

[Prince Lyon]

Wheme if you are town and refusing to claim you are being really fucking unhelpful and working against your wincon to the point that I will not play with you further and I will most likely not be the only one.

Even if you're vengeful you owe town a claim here.

[Prince Lyon]

This is Wheme, correct? When is your dad going to be around?

[Prince Lyon]

If this flips scum jailkeeper that means there is probably scum in Titus/Schadd.

[Prince Lyon]

If this flips scum tracker then rofl.

[Prince Lyon]

Yeah let's see it?

[Prince Lyon]

Why are we getting off Wheme exactly?

[Prince Lyon]

I have no issues lynching Titus today but I think Wheme is more likely to flip scum atm.

[Prince Lyon]

Schadd, you're just scum right?

[Prince Lyon]

For the record I still think that Wheme is scum here

VOTE: Titus

This slot is confirmed as having taken Backup/Role Cop which I don't really see coming from a top 3 in town. Makes more sense to be role cop. But I also don't see that pick from scum who is alone in the top 3.
Don't forget about Schadd and Wheme.

[Prince Lyon]

You picking UB/RC is a terrible pick regardless of alignment.

[Prince Lyon]

If Persivul's lying then it was a stupid fakeclaim and we know where to find them tomorrow.

[Prince Lyon]

I was enjoying this game too much for it to last.

[Prince Lyon]

by the way titus was actually at l-2 haha

Didn't matter. Lyon likely scumslipped I was the universal backup which he should have no way of knowing. I was outed. The l minus is irrelevant.

If he gambited just to fish a claim from me, fuck it. He jeeps outing roles because people won't obey his will, he has to die anyway as he's helpful to scum regardless of alignment. If it refuses to vote scum and rolefishes, fuck it.

Whemeplay claimed Tracker and I believe that they actually had that pick.
Schadd would never have picked UB/Role Cop as first pick as either alignment.
Persivul I doubt would lie about the claim.

Ergo: you are the UB/RC.

[Prince Lyon]

Everyone stop voting things.

Titus give me a minute.

[Prince Lyon]

Idk I'm word blocked atm.

[Prince Lyon]

It's funny how I remembered all the games and times where we worked well together and forgot that even in those games we fought alot

[Prince Lyon]

Titus I was never voting you in this game on policy. I voted you because I didn't follow your scumreads and it felt like you were overplaying your 3 person lynchpool which is something that you do as scum. I get that you have certain expectations that I'm just going to instantly sort you and I still think that I am never going to misread you in a lengthy game but I'm not going to automatically sort you as town in games like this. I can't read angryatme!Titus because she doesn't give me any of the tells that I'm looking for in you and it ends up feeling intentional like in Miller's Hollow where you baited me to get townread. I voted you in the last game as a pressure vote to force you to do things. Math was a different beast entirely. There's no 'RC being anti-town' thing happening this is just me trying to play the game. I'm not at my best yet. Most games I sorta feel lost and it feels like the scumhunting spark is gone. I've had some great games but those were more slow and reasoned and I'm not getting that spark that I usually do where I'm just like yeah this person is town or scum. I'm not sure if it's gonna come back. If I'm scumreading you please don't get mad or assume that I'm scum because that's a dead end for both of us. We need dialogue. I think you're town: can we start over?

[Prince Lyon]

I would much rather lynch Wheme or Momo than Bang today.

[Prince Lyon]

Momo is bad but I don't think he's bad enough to randomly come in and claim VT if he didn't know that his slot had already claimed.
That makes me think that regardless of alignment he had read the game before he did that which meant he knew that he claimed; and I don't see why he'd bother to claim twice unless he was scum doing it for towncred.

I also really don't like KTS's vote on me and KTS both jumped off Wheme immediately after the claim and is pushing Bang which doesn't give me any confidence in that scumflip.

[Prince Lyon]

He reminds me of HighKingDestro in terms of the hamfisted playing up his newbiness when he is known to have mafia experience.

What do you think happened Transcend? He actually is VT and he replaced into the game and immediately hardclaimed it without reading? He is not new to mafia.

[Prince Lyon]

If we're lynching Alban, sure. I have a feeling there's no other scum in your lynchpool.

[Prince Lyon]

Really don't think Davesaz is scum.
I feel like it's 3 of
{Momo/Wheme/Schadd/KTS/Alban}

A bunch of things.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: Alban

[Prince Lyon]

I'm not super confident in it but Davesaz is lynchbaity and my gut feel is that his play is the same as it was in several games that he was town in, particularly the C9++

[Prince Lyon]

Tbh it's mostly that I like his vote on you and I still think you're scum.

[Prince Lyon]

Yeah I'm all aboard here.

VOTE: KTS

[Prince Lyon]

I will come back over to Alban if you promise me that KTS does not reach endgame.

[Prince Lyon]

I feel like this is a game where I end up killed or discredited and I don't see how KTS gets lynched if I end up dead.

[Prince Lyon]

Wheme, does it not sketch you out that KTS voted you to force your claim and then immediately unvoted and called you town after you claimed?

You were saying shit about how it looks like people are forcing wagons for claims but the person that most fits that description is KTS.

[Prince Lyon]

He didn't start it. Other people started the wagon on you and I believe that they sincerely believed it. KTS jumped on without saying much about it then immediately after you claimed unvoted and jumped somewhere else.

[Prince Lyon]

What's the case on kts

Push on me is sketchy.
Jump off of the Wheme wagon is sketchy.
Can't really follow his read progression or thought process throughout the game.

I don't think that I'm good at reading him given that I almost tracked him in our last newbie but this feels different. This feels very deliberate.

[Prince Lyon]

I think your jump off wheme sucked but I townread you for unrelated things. And no and that's a shitty way to look at it; I have scumread KTS since long before he voted me.

[Prince Lyon]

Another way of asking this question: why do you townread him so much?

[Prince Lyon]

Scum reaction. Going off of 'it feels right' and arguing about how other people's reads have changed on me and saying 'can't shake the feeling' rather than calling me scum outright.
'Manipulate people onto your wagon'? that's how the game is played. I'm sorry are you going to argue that I should be

not

trying to lynch my scumreads?
I further point out that KTS has no reason to be surprised that I'd be trying to lynch him for voting me in a terrible way even if I haven't been scumreading him the entire game.
Those two posts are terrible on so many levels. I feel like people are writing him off as town because of his playstyle as opposed to anything alignment indicative that he's done.

[Prince Lyon]

I mean I won that newbie before night 1 even ended so I would say yes, my opinion is in fact valuable in spite of the fact that I'm not quite where I was.

[Prince Lyon]

kts is trolling right now but that doesn't mean that he's not scum.

[Prince Lyon]

Can we get a vig onto KTS?

[Prince Lyon]

If this is wrong Titus I promise I will follow you tomorrow.

VOTE: Alban

[Prince Lyon]

KTS is not town this game.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: KTS

We don't agree on anything Titus and I trust myself more than I trust you.
I am not going to throw a tantrum and force a 1v1 but I am not voting anywhere else while this is alive and if I end up dead I will be pretty unhappy if this slot isn't lynched.

[Prince Lyon]

If I was scum then you would be the last person in this game that I would feel threatened by.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't feel threatened at all. I feel pretty pissed off at the notion that people are so bad at dealing with my slot that you think you can mislynch me though.

[Prince Lyon]

Has pretending to be stupid ever worked for you in the past?

[Prince Lyon]

if you weren't threatened you wouldn't be responding so strongly to my pressure

This is an

illogical

statement and I don't think KTS is an

illogical

person. He has made many similarly

illogical

statements in the process of calling me scum.
I am perfectly fine lynching someone who is going to say such

illogical

things because they're either scum or so

illogical

that they are of no use to town.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't have to point out something that everyone in this game, yourself included, already knows.

[Prince Lyon]

I mean he's simultaneously trying to pick a fight to bait me off Alban and calling them hard town so I wouldn't see them as isolated?

[Prince Lyon]

That depends on Alban flipping scum but I'm really not following that line of reasoning here and he meshes well as scum defending his scumpartners for pretty much all my scumreads.

[Prince Lyon]

if you weren't threatened you wouldn't be responding so strongly to my pressure

If I was scum then you would be the last person in this game that I would feel threatened by.

So you feel threatened as town? Now that just doesn't make sense

finally saw me as a threat to your scum team huh

ive never pushed for a wagon with manipulation unless my scumreads not strong. You don't need to manipulate people if you can show them why the basis of your scumread is so strong. Manipulation is purely for scum as town has every reason to be transparent.

Sorry RC, but you scumclaimed

no they don't lol that's a fundamental mafia thing

let me just point out that lyon scumclaimed since town have no reason to manipulate people onto any wagons :^)

i don't care about your past games as

man it just feels right especially with Lyon getting so defensive and pushing my lynch. i can't shake that feeling, and i probably won't.

Also lol i had all these people saying 'oh he's obvtown' but later in the same day go 'he's scummy.' I've been playing the same, so uh yeah pick a side you scumfucks

Wheme, does it not sketch you out that KTS voted you to force your claim and then immediately unvoted and called you town after you claimed?

You were saying shit about how it looks like people are forcing wagons for claims but the person that most fits that description is KTS.

lol what in the absolute fuck is this

everyone was calling for reads and claims, and yeah, i was perfectly ready to lynch him without a claim. He claimed a tpower role that we can deal with at a later time in the same, but the behavior and his claim matched up.

why are you trying to manipulate people onto my wagon? doesn't it strike anyone else as weird that lyon would be trying to lynch me as soon as i vote them? hmm

Does none of these posts strike you as being insincere? Like do you believe that he believes that I never strongarm lynches as town?
Do you believe that he believes me voting him because he voted me is a scumclaim because I buckled under his pressure as scum?
The narrative of KTS as scum vote hopping to force claims and getting threatened because I scumread him and projecting that onto me makes far more sense to me than the narrative where KTS is town and just literally drowning in illogicalness.

[Prince Lyon]

like i think if alban/kts were a thing he wouldnt start out with a sr

Okay, then he can be scum independently with another half of the game. I really can't see KTS as town here.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't understand why people started townreading momo for doing dumb things.

[Prince Lyon]

Oh yeah KTS stated randomly TRing him and the wagon died.

[Prince Lyon]

Schadd, what are your thoughts on the last few pages?

[Prince Lyon]

Would you lynch Alban or KTS?

What are your thoughts on KTS specifically?

[Prince Lyon]

Like I remember what it feels like to just snap judgement games and to know what I'm looking for but I just don't feel it anymore. Mafia's hard. Not supposed to be for me.

[Prince Lyon]

Does none of these posts strike you as being insincere? Like do you believe that he believes that I never strongarm lynches as town?
Do you believe that he believes me voting him because he voted me is a scumclaim because I buckled under his pressure as scum?
The narrative of KTS as scum vote hopping to force claims and getting threatened because I scumread him and projecting that onto me makes far more sense to me than the narrative where KTS is town and just literally drowning in illogicalness.

[Prince Lyon]

If there's more to it then I am not seeing it. And he's played with me before several times.

[Prince Lyon]

I'm trying not to like strongarm as in bully everyone until I get my way Severa style but I think that nothing that I have done this game extends beyond basic mafia principles.

[Prince Lyon]

who said albon

VOTE: albon

[Prince Lyon]

I don't like, fundamentally oppose this wagon and I think it's more likely scum than not, but I'd still rather lynch Alban.
I'll get a more coherent case out for you sometime today.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: momo

Leave it to you stupid jack offs to waste a fortnight doing fuck all then lynching one of the most obvious town slots

the fuck are you doing vote alban

[Prince Lyon]

GBT is town and you're not touching my town reads titus.

[Prince Lyon]

that nightkill

[Prince Lyon]

§

[Prince Lyon]

Idk I kinda want to just powerlynch Davesaz right now because Wheme kept calling him out then died and I can't see why else anyone would make that nightkill.

That nightkill is so bad that unless schadd is scum I feel like it rules out half the playerlist.

[Prince Lyon]

Actually maybe not? watcher fears

[Prince Lyon]

Losing a kill to a doc is mostly worth the risk if they're hitting a strong PR whereas getting confirmed scum from watcher is very, very bad.

[Prince Lyon]

Fair enough though. Maybe they just wanted to kill the tracker anyway.

[Prince Lyon]

Dunn what are your thoughts on Alban?

[Prince Lyon]

If a vig shot Wheme they should claim instantly yeah.

[Prince Lyon]

Actually yeah. I don't like how Penguin piggybacked that push on you.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't like how he keeps tying it back to Titus either.

VOTE: Penguin

This can be a thing!

[Prince Lyon]

Hi Titus

Can you talk to me about your reads?

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: Schadd

[Prince Lyon]

Don't see why Wheme is the nightkill in any universe where you aren't town.

Spade, what's Schadd's role?

[Prince Lyon]

yeah i think it's a really bold ask given that he's all like "mafia just doesn't have the same spark for me" and this was before two of his top scumreads flipped green

Feeling better

Also neither of these two were my 'top scumreads' and saying such is laughable.

[Prince Lyon]

I note that the two that I was on the fence about have flipped whereas none of the ones that I really thought it was have flipped.

Or do I need to remind you that Alban wasn't lynched and you and KTS were still alive?

[Prince Lyon]

I don't want this to be a game where I sit and have an ego battle with you about how I'm going to make sure that you get lynched.
I feel like, unrelated to the stuff I'm doing with my alt, that this has been one of my towniest games. GBT has ONLY seen me as scum and is townreading me here.
So when you and KTS and are shitting on the lynches that I actually want and calling me scum for pushing certain people then yes I am going to scumread you.
If you're town and want me to respect your push on me as genuine then you need to explain it and your townreads on my scumreads.

[Prince Lyon]

Yeah I changed my mind because I figured I'd expect weird shit from a little kid and their inexperienced dad. I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand.
Also I hate to call this out but regardless of who my partners were there is no way in fuck that I would nightkill Wheme. I would have nightkilled Titus here 100% of the time.

[Prince Lyon]

Like I think that there's a chance that your 0 explanation shit is coming from town but when the nightkill makes no sense in a universe where you're town and I have no good way of reading you you are the top priority lynch. I think that I might be wrong because I generally fuck up on people townreading me but I have no better solution atm.

[Prince Lyon]

Let's not I feel like he's going to flip town.

[Prince Lyon]

Titus, you said that you were sheeping on Davesaz, correct? Who is the person that you /actually/ wanted to lynch that you're backing down from to vote Davesaz?

[Prince Lyon]

I don't think he's flinging shit as me as much as he's incorrectly calling me out for not reevaluating after my reads flipped scum when I didn't really expect either of them to flip scum at eod.

[Prince Lyon]

Every time that you say 'did I ever consider': do you really think that if I'm town that I didn't consider it or if I'm scum I didn't incorporate it into my fake position?

[Prince Lyon]

you also would have spent all of night 3 in newbie 1769 talking in the PT, et cetera et cetera. wheme is more mislynchable than titus, but they also had a stronger PR, there's gives and takes. i don't see any reason to believe this with certainty

I did. not my fault that Grey wasn't talking back to me

[Prince Lyon]

If you're not claiming a read to hurt my chances of winning as scum you're also hurting both of our chances of winning if we're both town.
Sabotaging your chances of winning with Town!RC to increase your chances of winning against scum!RC is stupid and bad.

I am town here. I am approximately 3* as likely to be town than scum in each game. You're also only rallying 1 vote against me rather than many.

I will probably be able to shrug off anything that you can push against me if I'm scum. Conversely if I'm town I will almost certainly either be nked before it matters or mislynched later when everyone starts questioning why I'm still alive.

Playing the game to beat scum!RC just makes the game unpleasant for me and decreases your winrate with me overall. Play the game.

[Prince Lyon]

this sounds to me like a reason to be worried about a townread.

I'm not.

[Prince Lyon]

It's hard to explain my read on you because most of it comes from absence rather than presence. I haven't seen some of the stuff that I'm looking for until very recently.

I'm also not going to specifically point out the stuff that I'm looking for from you so you're going to have to deal with it.

[Prince Lyon]

only for you

VOTE: Alban

[Prince Lyon]

I still think the slot is scum but I'm going to give the replacement some space to do stuff.

UNVOTE:

[Prince Lyon]

Eh we can just lynch them. I don't want that slot making it to endgame.

VOTE: Alban

[Prince Lyon]

Actually that makes sense. Tracker's one of the weakest prs if they can't get one of the 1 shots.

[Prince Lyon]

Or Titus is scum and she wants tracker but I don't think she is.

[Prince Lyon]

ftr I don't actually think schadd flips scum

[Prince Lyon]

None of this from KTS reads to me as genuine.

VOTE: KTS

[Prince Lyon]

I am not like confident in it but I think that Davesaz is town.

[Prince Lyon]

I'm sort of just waiting for an Alban replacement atm.

[Prince Lyon]

This is frustrating because everyone is discrediting my reads on KTS and Alban and they are the two people I'm most sure are flipping scum and there's never really been a case given for either of them as town.

This feels like one of those games where I'm right and everyone else is wrong but I can't get traction on anything.

[Prince Lyon]

Davesaz is a bad lynch. I explicitly do not townread PenguinPower but they're not like a scumread in the same way that the Alban and KTS slots are.

I'm okay with waiting for an Alban replacement but I'd really like to hear some sort of explanation for why they're town besides assuming that their global replace out was town motivated.

[Prince Lyon]

Like, scum can ragequit too. And I feel like people are just assuming that KTS's tone and playstyle are town even though they're consistent regardless of his alignment.
Whereas the general pushing on Penguin/Davesaz feels kind of shitty and it's like hey let's go down the usual suspects list and lynch people who get lynched every game.

[Prince Lyon]

lol titus i thought i was policy but i guess now being an 'annoyance' constitutes me as scum

how funny is that hmm

also giga pointed it out but no one really pressured titus for calling dead town scum wtf??

VOTE: alban lets get this and titus soon pls

What are everyone's thoughts on these two posts?

[Prince Lyon]

Nancy you should actually fucking do something.
I capitalized your N intentionally to express my displeasure with your not doing something.

VOTE: Nancy

[Prince Lyon]

I don't like KTS's last two because of how he ties Alban and Titus together but it doesn't matter unless the slot is scum anyway so.

[Prince Lyon]

Titus's frustration with me, while I think she's being really unfair and perpetually expecting me to give her her way instead of trying to find a middle ground, feels genuine.
I don't think that she would do that as scum nor do I think that it would come across as genuinely as it did.

I mean I might be wrong because I haven't really seen any of her towntells but she's been pretty inactive and only posting snippets. I want to see more from her.

[Prince Lyon]

Also KTS realizing that he can't keep Alban alive anymore now that momentum has shifted and tying to tie another lynch to his partner that he is now bussing makes a lot of sense.

[Prince Lyon]

I was doing some digging and I remembered that in Miller's Hollow Titus ALSO dredged up drama to deter my push on her so I'm feeling a lot less confident in her being town.
If we're not going to lynch nancy then I want everyone to slow the fuck down and stop getting super invested in stuff for a bit.

I will read you correctly if you post but I can't read you if you don't post. I feel like you owe me way more than you've given me this game and I want to see you actually commit to the game, because right now it feels like you're just sidelining the game to avoid pressure. Like I get you're busy with RL and I don't blame you for that but I can't let you slide on that.

I can't read you not engaging in the game and only producing scattered sentences and not explaining anything. I am feeling less confident in my reads at the moment; if you invest in the game and produce actual content and show that you're town I am willing to follow your vote today on pretty much anyone that isn't GBT or Transcend.

If you're going to get pissy and accuse me of policy lynching you when I end up misreading you then you owe it to me to make the time and effort to let me read you properly. This is a 2 way street.

[Prince Lyon]

Would it make you feel less paranoid that I'm hoodwinking you if I told you that I was really hyped when you obvtowned at the start because we finally rolled town together?

[Prince Lyon]

Let's chill on the votes and give Titus a chance to sink her teeth in the game.

[Prince Lyon]

How was work today?

[Prince Lyon]

Can you talk about something in a format that isn't discordant sentences that even contain short form abbreviations?

[Prince Lyon]

Nancy, you're hard townreading Titus because of her display of emotionality, correct? Where did you get that meta from?

[Prince Lyon]

Titus if you were anyone else on site and I had to spend this long trying to coerce something I can read out of you I would have lynched you a long time ago.

[Prince Lyon]

If you produce content and convince me that you're town then I am willing to follow you. I scumread KTS independently and Bang isn't a strong townread.

[Prince Lyon]

This is excruciatingly not-fun and stressful for me. I want you to talk to me about something not tell me the answers.

Why are KTS and Bang scum? What are your reads on everyone else?

[Prince Lyon]

Happy birthday.

[Prince Lyon]

This is fine I guess

VOTE: KillTheStory

Please let's not lynch Titus today.

[Prince Lyon]

I think that KTS is scum anyway and I'm tired of having to go through Titus to lynch scum.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't think that Titus is scum and if Titus is wrong here that's on her, not me.

[Prince Lyon]

KTS walk me through your scumread on me

[Prince Lyon]

CK could you vote nancy instead?

[Prince Lyon]

Do you think that I should take your read on Titus seriously relative to my read on her?

[Prince Lyon]

Titus, did you consider that nancy is scum and scum are actually avoiding you because they want to keep you alive to defend nancy and then take you as a free lynch after she flips?

[Prince Lyon]

Does it not feel weird to you that KTS keeps saying that you're scum and tying you to both of his preferred lynches but won't vote you?

Like the wagon on you is shit but I don't think that it's led by scum.

[Prince Lyon]

Cloud if you don't leave my townreads the fuck alone I am going to lynch you today.

[Prince Lyon]

Also the investigation was on Davesaz, correct?

[Prince Lyon]

Did you seriously investigate transcend?

[Prince Lyon]

If Schadd's investigate was neither KTS nor Transcend then he fucked this game up royally.

[Prince Lyon]

Schadd unless you have a guilty that you've been withholding you put town in a situation where it's impossible to determine what your night action result was if you hadn't claimed and with a decent probability of town falsely assuming that KTS who is likely scum was your clear. don't do that. who did you investigate?

[Prince Lyon]

like I am assuming davesaz was cleared based on your entrance to the day but you didn't put him in your top townread bracket which means that no one would interpret that as your result

[Prince Lyon]

I already know that you're town but I policy lynch people who are threats to town winning and after you went along with MathBlade's fake guilty and came in here pushing lynches on my townreads I am fine getting rid of you.

[Prince Lyon]

Schadd if the lynch went through before you claimed and you got nightkilled no one would be able to decipher what your result is.

[Prince Lyon]

You're missing my point. It doesn't matter now since you're outed but if you hadn't been outed this could have gone really sour.

[Prince Lyon]

Oh I see.

VOTE: Spade_ace

[Prince Lyon]

I have no particular inclination to sit here and play 20 questions with you.

[Prince Lyon]

JK let's do it like this.

Was your investigate's pronoun a {he} or a {she/they}

[Prince Lyon]

KTS?

[Prince Lyon]

Wait did you investigate me?

[Prince Lyon]

I was never getting lynched and I wasn't a likely nightkill target why the fuck put me down as scum all day

[Prince Lyon]

Wait were you roleblocked?

[Prince Lyon]

#1 priority for scum is killing the cop in this setup if they didn't get it but if they have a roleblocker then killing a smart VT makes more sense.

[Prince Lyon]

I think it's reasonably obvious that if you were roleblocked and Wheme was nightkilled that scum already knew that you were the cop.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't think we lynch Spade actually. I think we hunt the roleblocker.

[Prince Lyon]

Okay I'm going to take a step back for now. I'll do this game again later.

UNVOTE:

I think it's plausible but not likely and that Schadd will back himself into a corner if he's fakeclaiming. If he's scum then there's a good chance that there's a doc who is gonna immediately cc.

[Prince Lyon]

Unless yeah that's a really dirty possibility. Scum could be something like Penguin/Schadd/{KTS/Alban}

[Prince Lyon]

I don't think that Schadd does this with the risk of being counterclaimed. Either Schadd is town and got roleblocked or Schadd is scum and the roleblocker is on his team. Either way we're lynching for the roleblocker.

[Prince Lyon]

OH LOOK WHO HAS THE ENTIRE SCUM BRIGADE HARD DEFENDED EVERY TIME A VOTE GOES ANYWHERE NEAR HIS SLOT?

VOTE: KTS

[Prince Lyon]

jk kts isn't roleblocker.

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Prince Lyon]

Let's not talk about PRs today. Early tomorrow I think we have a claim of roles from first bid to last.

[Prince Lyon]

Err yeah last to first.

[Prince Lyon]

That's what I mean >:[

[Prince Lyon]

FIGHT ME GBT

[Prince Lyon]

why would you even target me jesus man

[Prince Lyon]

my reads got crapped on all of d1, we lynched a town that i didn't really want to lynch, and I got copped and probably tracked to. that's really healthy and life affirming

[Prince Lyon]

yeah sure it's not like I'm surprised or anything but it just feels so terrible even if it doesn't matter

[Prince Lyon]

What happens next game when you still scumread me? Do you start to take that read with a grain of salt or does this go on forever?

[Prince Lyon]

that's great dude.

[Prince Lyon]

I do not support a massclaim whatsoever because it gives scum a ton of information. Schadd is a risky target for scum if watcher went to town and hasn't acted and if they can't figure the watcher out they may be forced to let an investigate go through. Tomorrow at the earliest.

in like your next two games after 1769 i posted QTs wherein i correctly townread you

Yeah the games that you

weren't actually in

. But then I was the most likely scumpartner in the game that you were actually in and you're still scumreading me here.

[Prince Lyon]

Well pencils are 7 and a half inches sooooo

[Prince Lyon]

I am fine with going down the list and claiming whether or not we attempted to pick up doctor/roleblocker. I am not fine with claiming other things.

[Prince Lyon]

We are leashing KTS's shot or lynching him today.

[Prince Lyon]

I am not doc

[Prince Lyon]

cloud you are terrible and no one gives a fuck about your opinions

I would lynch you before I lynched Titus and I am perfectly willing to PL you rather than deal with you. this game became a thousand times less fun when you replaced in

[Prince Lyon]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME YOU ARE LYNCHING TITUS IN A GAME THAT I'M IN AND CALLING HER TOWN WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING THINKING

UNVOTE

[Prince Lyon]

great players don't derail my shit after you fucked town in the ass in our last game

[Prince Lyon]

if you lynch titus I am never unvoting you for the duration of the game

[Prince Lyon]

i've never been wrong about titus and it's disgustingly arrogant of you to assert that your read on her is better than mine to the point that I think you're probably scum here

[Prince Lyon]

you derailed my nancy lynch and now you're trying to derail PP. get out of my way. and no I had 2/3 of scum pinned and I would have eventually caught onto firebringer when I bothered to reread him.

[Prince Lyon]

do you think you're so good because you vigged scum that one game? I have never gotten a vig role and failed to kill scum. In my entire career on site I've only hit town with vigs twice and in both those games I hit scum as well.

Every 1-shot vig I've gotten, every vengekill I've gotten has been aimed at scum. you're not special because you hit scum once

[Prince Lyon]

I don't know if cloud is town. I tr the shit out of transcend but I'm seriously considering the possibility that he's scum here. this feels like he's baiting me and it feels wrong.

[Prince Lyon]

you are attempting to lynch a person that in 4 years of games I have never once errantly townread as scum and whom I am calling town.

[Prince Lyon]

I neither need nor care about your vote regardless of alignment

[Prince Lyon]

unless you think schadd is scum there is a confirmed roleblocker. titus is confirmed not roleblocker and you are trying to lynch her.

regardless of your read you must know that play is shit

[Prince Lyon]

1) I don't need scum to bus because I am RC
2) Titus is going to flip town

[Prince Lyon]

That is YOUR PROBLEM not mine.

And no we're not lynching Titus

[Prince Lyon]

err

[Prince Lyon]

If Spade got roleblocker he wouldn't want to claim roleblocker so it's not out of the ordinary he would go for a scum role that he knows his team has

[Prince Lyon]

There's nothing to explain dude.

[Prince Lyon]

If you want legal advice you shouldn't be lynching the lawyer

[Prince Lyon]

Let's do this another way: why is she scum?

[Prince Lyon]

Like don't get me wrong I get why there are scumreads on her. Her play has been obnoxious and she's refused to invest anything into this game

-but-

that doesn't mean that she's scum. I'm honestly more inclined to townread this because it reminds me of the last game we played and it makes me feel like we should hydra to work stuff out
I think scum!Titus would know she's going to be lynched for doing this and would commit something to the game whereas I think that her being stubborn to a fault here is town
and its bad and it stops me from being able to be able to commit to an 100% townread on her because I haven't had enough 1v1 dialogue with her but I haven't seen any scumtells yet

This is day 2 and Titus is confirmed PR. There is no reason to lynch her today when there is a confirmed roleblocker and only a few logical people it could be.

[Prince Lyon]

Like even if we weren't lynching Titus if we were lynching people who could not potentially be roleblocker I"d be telling you guys you were morons.

[Prince Lyon]

lyon, what changed your mind about titus, and uh when even did that happen

I never really had a reason to scumread her besides inactivity tbh and I know for a fact she's busy irl.

[Prince Lyon]

She'll come around when we get some scum flips. What's the VC at?

[Prince Lyon]

Tbh maybe she won't but

[Prince Lyon]

I mean I'm assuming that scum lies if they are the roleblocker.

[Prince Lyon]

Sounds good.

VOTE: nancy

[Prince Lyon]

I've scumread your slot before you replaced in and your big wallpost in this game felt like a copycat of the one in 1875 and didn't feel as genuine.

If we shouldn't be lynching the V/LA person and we shouldn't be lynching you, who is the scum roleblocker?

[Prince Lyon]

Except that I've been making wall posts like that since before 1875 so that's bullshit.

Why don't you like 2712? There's literally no point in voting the slot until he gets back and we get a claim from him.

Okay yeah PP is roleblocker.

VOTE: PP

[Prince Lyon]

First seed scum would absolutely pick cop to deny it to town I think.

But I don't read schadd as scum atm.

[Prince Lyon]

In fairness I'd go off the principle that I'm never going down without a guilty on me and taking away the cop means that there's no guilty so.

[Prince Lyon]

But I still broadly think that taking cop as scum is way better. It's phenomenally hard to lynch a cop claim and you remove the cop from the equation.

[Prince Lyon]

{PL}
{Dunn, Gigabyte}
{Titus}
{Cloud, Schadd, Spade, Davesaz}
{BangTheMafia}
{KTS}
{nancy, PP}

[Prince Lyon]

i dont think a scum roleblocker though ties themselves down to a vt claim early on though

I actually considered Spade as roleblocker because it would make a lot of sense that he'd claim early like he did if he was trying to work out his fakeclaim in scum thread since he can't claim doc.
If Titus actually did slip though that just means the last scum is obviously pretty close in pick order to be able to confidently determine cop so it would be confirmed {Spade/Titus/{PP or Bang}}
I don't really read Titus as scum though and I think her just mixing up games makes sense given how busy she is so unless we get a roleblocker flip from Spade I'm not gonna worry about it

[Prince Lyon]

i dont think scum!bang calls out a spade roleblocker like that but other than that that's a good point

titus/spade also doesnt make much sense from D1 interactions

Which is why I'm not considering any other votes after the 'potential slip': if Titus actually slipped this is still going to be scum 95% of the time.

[Prince Lyon]

Heads or tails fairy tales in my mind

[Prince Lyon]

no rule against provable randomness so
1 heads 2 tails

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Prince Lyon]

welp looks like GBT wins this one.

[Prince Lyon]

a lynch

VOTE: GBT