this was after their top scumread got tracker guilty'dgigabyteTroubadour wrote:rusjdiejehdud
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Subject: Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)
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titus can you talk about your reasoning with choosing ub-
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yeah he has specifically referred to games he was in-
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he confirms in more or less certain terms in hereTitus wrote:Unless he confirms it, I cannot say shit.-
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the non-argument "i'm town" is in vogue lately, which is shite-
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my kts thing is that i looked for another open game where he was town and i was reading his ISO and i was like "hold on.. no" and i realized i forgot to check that he was in fact town and he wasn't.Prince Lyon wrote:Would you lynch Alban or KTS?
What are your thoughts on KTS specifically?
i think that he was a bit shite on the wheme wagon - "there's a reason i'm obvtown and you're not" sucked (what is that reason?) and i also don't like that he was like "it was kind of everyone's fault that he claimed" whereas he was like "claim or ur gonna die" when he was already voting the guy. but other than that nothing has stuck out to me, and i don't see what you see in that quotewall without a spoiler
alban i don't really have organized thoughts. nothing stuck out about his posts to me, i'm not sure what to make of how other people have been lightly but consistently wagoning him. plus this has spideysense felt like a game with active scum. but i need to look at him more and i would like people that haven't done so in a minute to remind me what his goods and bads are
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how much has he played with you? i mean you do do that as town but you didn't really in urw 2 iirc.
i think there is more to his thought process than you're suggesting but i have to root through it & i'm on phone-
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yeah i guess you've said, like, out of game that you think town need to manipulate people in one way or another. but you've also said you're (more or less) trying not to do that in this game. egh, can't see this to fruition rn-
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it's actually kind of a townslip-
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don't feel the need to elaborate atm-
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i mean it was kind of on purpose that i asked you before the flipIn post 1743, Titus wrote:
Ask me after the flip.In post 1732, schadd_ wrote:titus, what do you think of the wagon composition rn?-
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would you mind answering questions people asked you?In post 1748, momo wrote:y'all are idiots. When I am flipped you will be crying.-
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it is less than obvious to me. pls explain-
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my gut says that at some point during this game there may have ever been a time where a town player did something ill-advised. i'm not certain of this, though-
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he did what i think is fishing before any of the top 3 claimed-
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the townslip?In post 1801, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:davesaz also is a good vote but i want schadd_ to talk to me about him
spadegigabyteTroubadour wrote:
davesaz or spade?In post 1802, schadd_ wrote:he did what i think is fishing before any of the top 3 claimed-
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yikesIn post 1805, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:and if spade is scum he's the highest in the draft out of all scum-
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the better question is areIn post 1807, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
are you claiming scum with spade? thats common sense based on associativesIn post 1806, schadd_ wrote:
yikesIn post 1805, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:and if spade is scum he's the highest in the draft out of all scumyouclaiming scum with spade-
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anyway
looks like he forgot that persivul had claimed vt-that-picked-ub/rc, and that titus had claimed ub. forgetting PRs/PR poe is townie, and he either did that or thought that titus was scum & pers could fake a vt claim knowing what his partner chose, and didn't say it in the post (and having thoughts/assumptions but not putting them in posts is also v townie; town!dave could have subconsciously discredited persivul's claim, whereas scum!dave would probably want to narrate all parts of the thought process, if that makes sense)In post 1726, davesaz wrote:VOTE: momo
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VOTE: spade ace
gbt, can you talk more about why lyon is town-
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yeah i already knew talking about you was illegal-
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doctor concerns? i could be pgo? wheme is the tracker & is confirmed to be useful if he remains alive whereas i'm not?In post 1889, Prince Lyon wrote:Don't see why Wheme is the nightkill in any universe where you aren't town.
Spade, what's Schadd's role?
and there's no reason i shouldn't be responsible for when i claim-
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yeah i think it's a really bold ask given that he's all like "mafia just doesn't have the same spark for me" and this was before two of his top scumreads flipped green-
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to prove i don't care about whatever he's gonna sling at me, i'll say: don't forget who you're dealing withIn post 1898, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:idk his rvs stuff was town too
like the same way your opening in 1769 was
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this is what i was thinking of
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i'm not interested either. you're better at this game than me.In post 1907, Prince Lyon wrote:I don't want this to be a game where I sit and have an ego battle with you about how I'm going to make sure that you get lynched.
this sounds to me like a reason to be worried about a townread.Prince Lyon wrote:GBT has ONLY seen me as scum and is townreading me here.
i don't think it's fair to say i'm shitting on the lynches you want. from what i understand, they are me (i am inclined to disagree), kts & alban (which i already talked about; kts is the one where i disagree, and your case on him has been somewhat subjective; alban i'm not especially opposed to), titus (i'm personally not confident in my ability to read her one way or another, and at least on D1 i figured she would be good to keep around) and recently penguinpower (not much to go on, and, like i said with alban, this feels like a game with active scum)Prince Lyon wrote:So when you and KTS and are shitting on the lynches that I actually want and calling me scum for pushing certain people then yes I am going to scumread you.
i'm not especially opposed to any of these lynches, except me and kts. for all of the other ones i think that they haven't talked enough.
you also would have spent all of night 3 in newbie 1769 talking in the PT, et cetera et cetera. wheme is more mislynchable than titus, but they also had a stronger PR, there's gives and takes. i don't see any reason to believe this with certaintyIn post 1908, Prince Lyon wrote:Also I hate to call this out but regardless of who my partners were there is no way in fuck that I would nightkill Wheme. I would have nightkilled Titus here 100% of the time.
i don't see any reason to believe you changed your mind on wheme from your ISO yesterDay, just that there were a few other lynches you pushed more. you also said momo was more likely scum than not, a half hour before the hammer.Prince Lyon wrote:I don't think he's flinging shit as me as much as he's incorrectly calling me out for not reevaluating after my reads flipped scum when I didn't really expect either of them to flip scum at eod.
you're the only one that i haven't given explanation on. you asked me for a full readslist with explanations and i gave it, and you kind of didn't mention it at all. if it wasn't enough for you to get a read on me, then you could have said anything.Prince Lyon wrote:Like I think that there's a chance that your 0 explanation shit is coming from town but when the nightkill makes no sense in a universe where you're town and I have no good way of reading you you are the top priority lynch. I think that I might be wrong because I generally fuck up on people townreading me but I have no better solution atm.
i haven't been explaining my read on you because uh you're a good scum player, and you'd be more than able to make use of the stuff i say or discredit it in some way or another, and also there's a whole lot of different and small things that are difficult to explain, such that i never thought it was worthwhile. i should probably post it at some point toDay either way, but i can't do it right now.
what do you think of the several reasons i pointed out for why i might not be the target? and also, the more obvious thing, that wheme might be killed instead of me because it makes me look bad?
i'm not trying to fling shit at him for having different reads than me. wheme at the end of yesterday reminded me of mbg, and the many other towns i've encountered that have yelled "shut up, you're all wrong, i'm town" (which is a thing that i still hate) but was still null because "i don't see a benefit in revealing my cards" was trash, and totally out of character for srceen (and also wheme, i think). momo i did think was scum up until the flip.gigabyteTroubadour wrote:werent you voting for momo eod and suspicious of wheme? why are you trying to fling shit at rc for having the same reads as you?
what i am concerned about is that, in spite of being wrong about these two (and, well, i also know that he's wrong about me) he is confident enough about me to fish out my PR. which istrash.-
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every time that i say 'did you ever consider,' do you think that i'm saying it as a reason to scumread you and not as a request to consider/explain something? i mean your thing about the wheme nightkill was, like, incorrect, and you said there was no universe where it happens and i'm town, and i know that you're wrong because we're in that universe. i also know that you'll probably figure out that you're wrong if you're town.In post 1916, Prince Lyon wrote:Every time that you say 'did I ever consider': do you really think that if I'm town that I didn't consider it or if I'm scum I didn't incorporate it into my fake position?
as they say, expect the best and prepare for the worst. i'm also not seeing the part where it helps if you're town—if you can shrug off a case when you're scum, then i can't imagine a reaction to a case that can convince me you're town.Prince Lyon wrote:If you're not claiming a read to hurt my chances of winning as scum you're also hurting both of our chances of winning if we're both town.
Sabotaging your chances of winning with Town!RC to increase your chances of winning against scum!RC is stupid and bad.
I am town here. I am approximately 3* as likely to be town than scum in each game. You're also only rallying 1 vote against me rather than many.
I will probably be able to shrug off anything that you can push against me if I'm scum. Conversely if I'm town I will almost certainly either be nked before it matters or mislynched later when everyone starts questioning why I'm still alive.
Playing the game to beat scum!RC just makes the game unpleasant for me and decreases your winrate with me overall. Play the game.
plus, you should see where i'm coming from givenhistory of RCin 1133
i kind of don't care at allPrince Lyon wrote:It's hard to explain my read on you because most of it comes from absence rather than presence. I haven't seen some of the stuff that I'm looking for until very recently.
I'm also not going to specifically point out the stuff that I'm looking for from you so you're going to have to deal with it.-
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changes to vca given flips? you told me to ask you about momo's wagon composition after the flip.In post 1989, Titus wrote:Here for simple questions
spade's town?-
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i am not a fan of this postIn post 2012, Killthestory wrote:lol policy because i said something mean oh nooo-
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prodge
things to say later-
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dunnstral, how good are you at this game?
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there was another cloud that i liked but you'll have to do
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ee. poor word choiceIn post 2101, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:my reads are flexible-
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about hwhwat?In post 2181, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i really should have waited for schadd to post :/
i've been kinda lost toDay.
cloudkicker looks quite the town, as did transc (excepting eod1). exciting
nancy looks townfully aggressive, but also for a few reasons she looks difficult for me to read. it's better than alban, who didn't really look like anything to me
dunn is more or less locktown to me just for looking so, super different from a game that was briefly concurrent with this game. dave is also quite town from stuff that i've pointed out and things that a lot of other people have thought.
kts has pretty much throughout the game looked like a human person guy with feelings and attitudes and stuff. i haven't been paying much attention to him today, but nothing has stuck out to me as fabricated
i have tried and generally failed to have coherent and reasoned thought about: bang, penguins, titus, gigabyte
spade has looked poopy to me for a bunch of different reasons. yesterDay he was like "persivul is town &c" and i was like "why is that? i don't agree &c" and he was like "genuine and stuff" and i was like "that seems a bit surface-level and easy to fake. could you elaborate" and he was like "oh right, the two of us have this thing where we don't talk to each other. i'm going to go back to that." and then he was the first on the momo wagon.
lyon has also looked scum to me for a big ol' puddle of different odds and ends that i have continually felt would be arduous and ineffective to compile and post. plus, people that i trust have said that he looks town. so he's been a stream of continuous uncertainty and stress that i have not thought much about toDay.
pedit: oh hi-
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more or less prodge.
not especially interested in lynching titus, not interested in lynching kts. my ideal lynch is currently spade.
is there anything anybody wants me to explain, answer, look into, etc? obviously i'm having trouble finding stuff to do.
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for funzies, let's all guess who i investigated.-
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holy fucking motherfuck, thoughIn post 2369, Spade_Ace wrote:whether i am a VT or goon.-
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In post 2365, schadd_ wrote:for funzies, let's all guess who i investigated.-
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In post 2386, gigabyteTroubadour wrote: kts?gigabyteTroubadour wrote:why would you investigate a tr-
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what did you think i was?-
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eh, don't need to answer that-
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