Open 681: Making Friends and Enemies [GAME OVER]

[Fro99er]

Riley=rileycountant...abbreviating obv

[Fro99er]

Fake ^

This could be a bus actually.

I also agree with this

[Fro99er]

Why do you townread [Grendel]?

actually this is a dumb question. Who do you scumread along with Grendel?

[Fro99er]

assuming Grendel is scum

[Fro99er]

I swore to commit seppuku

I honestly don't know what this means

[Fro99er]

momo come talk to me

[Fro99er]

town or scum bad?

[Fro99er]

^bus

[Fro99er]

frogs have great skeletal systems

[Fro99er]

We have tall, strong, great, beautiful, skeletal systems! Nothing can penetrate our skeletal systems! We will keep all illegal busses from overtaking our skeletal systems!

[Fro99er]

wait nancy why did Grendel move from town to scum?

[Fro99er]

Nancy thoughts on Grendel plz

He's Town.

[Fro99er]

Short answer? Because Jae has been pushing him as scum.

Not short answer? His thought processes are genuine, if not exactly ones I'd follow and agree with, he's picking on things other people aren't in a meaningful way, rather than just arbitrarily picking on things in order to seem to be busy, he's trying to work with other people and collaborate, he's pushing his ideas actively, he's questioning and checking himself and changing opinions where he finds something at fault, and his interactions with wagons have been good. Some of his content has been iffy, but it mostly just looks like he hasn't been able to get a real feel for the game yet.

[Fro99er]

I'm nullish town on grendel

how is he confscum frogger?

remember that time we were scum together. I didn't talk like this as scum

[Fro99er]

Fro99er read my posts.... This has been explained.

Go look at the sequence back ages ago when I first started thinking Titus might be scum. My ISO has all of the explanations of my thought processes. If you need anything more after that feel free to ask.

I'm asking. Where was this

[Fro99er]

well there are two players but they seem a bit too obvious

?

There's a hidden dynamic that's confusing here.

VOTE: Grendel

I think this should get pressure too.

oh I missed this

sorry nancy

[Fro99er]

apparently i'm drunk and iddn't miss that

lmao

[Fro99er]

what if I told you jae is conftown?

[Fro99er]

this is a mason claim

[Fro99er]

if anyone wants to counter claim I welcome it

[Fro99er]

what 3 scum reads?

[Fro99er]

pedit there ya go

[Fro99er]

The two most likely teams in my mind are {GC, Grendel, Hiraki} and {Darklyn, GC, Grendel}.

how did you get here...especially dark and Grendel together?

[Fro99er]

so? I don't read every fucking last post.

And that ISO doesn't even answer my actual question about how you got Dark and Grendel together as a team

[Fro99er]

THERE IS NO EXPLANATION IN YOUR ISO OF WHY DARK AND GRENDEL ARE SCUM TOGETHER

[Fro99er]

that makes no fucking sense.

[Fro99er]

because Fro99er is obvtown

funny story...why was I obvtown

[Fro99er]

Which part? Run me through your thought process and tell me where it runs to a jarring halt so I can help you.

the part where you read Grendel and dark as scum together. It's not possible

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Because literally everything you've been doing today has been extremely Town motivated. I've seen your Town game first hand, and I've seen your scum game, and they're very different.

where have you seen my scum game?

we've played one game together. I was town and you scum read me at times.

[Fro99er]

For example...Jae has 100% reason to townread me. That's why I recruited Jae. Jae started off scumreading me, but then for no reason other than to actually try to solve the game Jae townread me.

RC and I faked that we were going to try to guilty, and instead recruited our top townread. I had to convince RC on Jae but with Jae's meta game with me and our TvT this game on D1 it was pretty clear Jae was town and Jae is FUCKING GOOD as town. Just go see house of harmony.

[Fro99er]

Titus could theoretically townread me and she didn't. And I think that actually makes her town.

This townread of me by nancy is just weird. What am I like as scum?




I AM RC's MASON. AND NOW JAE IS MY MASON

[Fro99er]

ANYONE WANNA COUNTERCLAIM ME ON IT LETS GO

[Fro99er]

Eh I've been operating off poor assumptions clearly.

I thought Titus was masons with Jae and RC was masons with Transcend.

that's not even how this setup is set up

[Fro99er]

so can we all unvote. I want to fucking solve this game before I die tonight.

[Fro99er]

Let's fucking let GC talk and lets fucking let Hiraki talk

[Fro99er]

I'm less worried about unvoting Grendel than I am having you at l-2 or whatever.

this day can NOT end early

[Fro99er]

I OWN PAGETOPS

[Fro99er]

please unvote nancy -- request of the other mason

[Fro99er]

back again 'gain 'gain

[Fro99er]

(TELL A FRIEND)

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See, jae I would have told you if we had mason day chat to not vote nancy there.

I still think she's scum tho

[Fro99er]

I just want to be sure we're lynching scum

[Fro99er]

Dark, that's my primary scumread, but let's fucking let other people discuss this game first.

I probably claimed too early, but I think it'll be ok.

[Fro99er]

GC posted that he's going on VLA

[Fro99er]

But GC posted no content

I want content before we lynch

[Fro99er]

I'd still prefer one more unvote of the nancy wagon. If somehow she's scum and all three scum are off her wagon they can quick hammer knowing I've made a mason claim. Granted, 3 quick vote is a groupscum claim

[Fro99er]

See, jae I would have told you if we had mason day chat to not vote nancy there.

I still think she's scum tho

I would have told you not to claim. :/

Sorry

I'm jumpy

Frog nature

[Fro99er]

I guess i jump to conclusions too quickly

Thank goodness I had RC to talk to me about recruiting you

RC is the GOAT

[Fro99er]

I love NASCAR

Who wants to learn the ways of the SUNDAY NIGHT BEER

[Fro99er]

Fuck

[Fro99er]

I missed the oagetop

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Page top

[Fro99er]

Jae was stupidly obv town.

Not sure why you wasted a cop check on them.

Oh let's fucking tell me how to play.

Got it

[Fro99er]

VOTE: momo

[Fro99er]

I am not much of an expert of reading Grendel since this is my first game with him but he is town lean for me. This is mostly a gut read as I have not fully analyzed him yet but nothing strikes me too far off.

I don't see enough from Darklyn to lead a wagon on Grendel. Happy with a Nancy lynch though

Momo didn't even fucking try to read Grendel

It's pretty clear momo doesn't give two shits about finding scum.

Because Grendel is confscum

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I think i feel less paranoid about nancy now, but I'm not going to discount the possibility she's scum

Rileycountant and transcend make a pretty convincing case, and I'm glad they will be alive to sort her because I'm pretty sure momo is today's lynch and I die tonight.

[Fro99er]

Relax titus...all will be fine

[Fro99er]

Just waiting for GC and Hiraki to post then we can end this day

[Fro99er]

Lol @ recruiting the most obvious town and the biggest liability to town


Lalala

shut up

You have no idea what you're talking about

[Fro99er]

What. That is literally one of the worst posts he could have made with masons alive. It makes no logical sense to think you'd be night killed here over myself or frogger.

VOTE: Grendel

Exactly

[Fro99er]

GC, could be scum doing word vomit.

VOTE: Grendel

Can we do this Frogger?

One second...

I have things to say

[Fro99er]

just catching up

[Fro99er]

not feeling the reads in 1264, but (shrug)

VOTE: Titus

GC might be scum

[Fro99er]

I hereby trust you on transcend

xP

pedit link me to the case?

I'll jus quote it

Darklyn’s voting habits jump between the most popular wagon, and anybody remotely suspicious of him. His complacency about nancy, in that he was satisfied in seeing her lynched when he hadn’t given any reason on his part why she is a good lynch. Aside from gut I guess?

Would like to see more from horrordude0215

Scum are likely to call out lurking buddies out of because their informed prespective makes the lurking appear much worse than it would to town. So they try to pull their buddies out of the wood work so nobody starts scum reading them for their absence. Also some scum seem to think that is a good tactic for distancing early in the game in my previous experiences.

Spoiler:

Your best bet on this wagon is that because you believe I'm defending Nancy that if she flips scum, you have a 1-2 punch. I'm not defending her if the only accusation toward her play that I can find is anti-town logic rather than actual reasons.

If you think she's anti-town you shouldn't be that bothered if people vote for her, let her defend herself

Here is why I am scum reading Darklyn and here is my case against him.

Post 11, 28, and 32 are all RVS votes from Darklyn. He made 3 RVS votes. By post 32, we should be starting to break out of the RVS mindset. Post 32, by the way, was made when Momo was at L-2. We had someone at L-2 and the best he can contribute was an RVS vote on nancy?

Post 65 is all kinds of yuck.

107 he votes for me and I ask him for an explanation. He promises one and has so far failed to deliver.

Post 206 you want to see more from horrordude, but you have barely contributed yourself and have made posts that are essentially contentless. How can you tell another player that you want to hear more from them but you haven't really contributed yourself?

His ISO is bad and he needs rope. I seriously don't want this anywhere near MyLo.

nice chainsaw 7/10

His assumption that a the the scum [HirkixThinkBigxNancy] is that one player is hard defending one buddy, while another is attacking Darklyn, who was amoung the most set in having nancy lynched. Would be two risky maneuvers that wouldn’t happen at the same time, or at the least happen this early in the game.

QUICKHAMMER TIME

Really wants to end the day early when out of the players on the wagon he had the least openly developed reads. This doesn't display much interest in game solving.

No because literally the only way I get mislynched today is by all the scum being on my wagon.

that just sounds like intimidation "if you vote for me you're scum!"

Closed reason for nancy being scum outside of gut. Also a very ironic comment. I've retired the tell that scum are more likely to project things they themselves are guilty for onto other players, but ugh, I think it fits Darklyn play super well.

Spoiler:

lol butthurt

lel at Hiraki defending his scumbuddy

hahahahahahaha

Hahahah look how rattled ThinkBig and Hiraki are hahahahahaha

These posts really don't look genuine to me, and neither do all the jokey responses in his iso. He is trying the play the "I'm a flippant and funny guy" card super hard, and it all looks really forced. Like an overcompensation.

His iso it very information minimal, and he dosen’t expond on much beyond scum reads, or when a scum read transitions into town/null.

And more recently this happened:

VOTE: Grendel
nancy, I'll get off your back if you help me lynch this guy

Look at this. Being so quick to ditch his scum read if nancy sheeps him shows just how little depth there is to his read. He wanted nancy quick lynched just days before. It looks like he doesn’t believe his own reads doesn’t it?

this could be tryhard scum but really feeling serioustry town

although I think this might be the best reason why GC is scum

[Fro99er]

This is lolbad and a great scum hammer (blaming the victim; playing off of not doing a catch-up, just going with the mob flow).

this is such a terrible reason to scumread Titus.

[Fro99er]

Oh wow I am not surprised at all that there's a Grendel vote after basically begging for a reason to be allowed on this wagon by obvtown frog.

LMFAO

[Fro99er]

not feeling the reads in 1264, but (shrug)

VOTE: Titus

You Grendel's buddy? Why you scared?

Yes, he is

[Fro99er]

Also hate the Titus vote even more because he made a huge big stink about how we have two options to play now and then threw them away a second later.

First, I am a she.

Second, I didn't. I am voting with JaeReed and inviting Frogger's comment.

Why do you feel the need to fit facts to your theory instead of the other way around?

Titus is town y'all

[Fro99er]

Ppl attacking Titus are scum.

Titus has no reason to bus Grendel here...I'm caught up so I'm gonna make a post

[Fro99er]

I full claim mason. RC and I did NOT recruit Jae. It was a reaction test to see where we're at. Jae is town tho for the reaction.

WE HAVE A GUILTY ON GRENDEL...BUT I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH GRENDEL. I WANT TO TRY TO LYNCH ONE OF HIS PARTNERS

That's why I wanted Hiraki and GC to talk, because I wanted to build some associations. Scum will have to kill me tonight anyway, because I'm the only conftown here. If they leave me alive, it's a 1v1 with me and Grendel tomorrow, and I would not risk that as scum. Ever.

I'm proud of Jae for knowing what I was doing and going along with it, and annoyed at Transcend for telling me I'm bad.

[Fro99er]

I'm not sure if it's momo, GC, or nancy, but I think everyone else is town.

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The reason I claimed is because I don't want to risk getting NK'd and not outing the guilty. It's not like I'm a cop where I can possibly get a 2nd guilty. This is the only guilty we get.

I was debating trying to drive a lynch and claim in twilight, but Ali is on top of it as a mod and might lock the thread before I get a chance to post in twilight. That's why I was so angry about the quick wagons earlier this day phase.

Instead, I think this is the best way to go about it. Claim the guilty, see if we can lynch one of the buddies.

[Fro99er]

Can also just lynch Grendel. We got the interactions we wanted.

I'm almost positive Titus is town for how she approached Grendel, even before my original claim.

[Fro99er]

well there are two players but they seem a bit too obvious

?

There's a hidden dynamic that's confusing here.

VOTE: Grendel

I think this should get pressure too.

Still getting settled in but I think Grendel should be pushed given gamestate.

Grendel is SRed but counters keep appearing.

You're postulating that Grendel's scumbuddies are behind the counters?

It's a theory. I need to investigate.

This was before my original mason claim.

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VOTE: GC

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YO where is everyone?

[Fro99er]

Momo getting put to L-2 on the second page when he has yet to produce content makes him more likely to be town.

This is a good, not great, point though.

lmfao

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words

This is bad scum hunting (voting on assumptions after asking for a response but before getting it, then using response provided after vote to further solidify vote that was originally based on previously asked question but only disagreeing with interpretation of response rather than actually scumreading anything), but probably town. Thanks.

how did you just make the leap to town?

[Fro99er]

Momo getting put to L-2 on the second page when he has yet to produce content makes him more likely to be town.

actually maybe it is much more likely to be momo

VOTE: momo

[Fro99er]

HELP ME PPL

Is it momo or GC (or both?)

[Fro99er]

Also p-sure Dark is conftown for the Grendel 1v1

not scum theater 1v1

[Fro99er]

Dark should we lynch a buddy or Grendel?

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I full claim mason. RC and I did NOT recruit Jae. It was a reaction test to see where we're at. Jae is town tho for the reaction.

FWIW I wasn't reaction testing Jae specifically...I was reaction testing town as a whole. But Jae's reaction nearly confirms them as town.

[Fro99er]

I had a few other things to say about some players, but I don't think I have the time to go into much detail tonight. I'll just leave this here, and come back tomorrow.

loose reads list

Momo Fro99er Rileycountant

Hiraki RadiantCowbells

nancy ThinkBig GreenCrayons

Transcend

JaeReed hapahauli Darklyn

Of course hapahali x JaeReed x Darklyn is a team I ship. I really don't see Transend with JeaReed, and there isn't much that I saw between Transend and hapahuali. So if Transend is scum it'd be with Darklyn, and somebody I'm not currently scum reading. Obviously not an assumption I'd want to make.

Pre-edit

words

These notepad thoughts are fine and acceptable and whatever, but I am really hoping you'll come out swinging with a case after you've finished your catch up.

I actually intended to, I just got back much later today then I expected. Atm I just wanted ppl to know that I'm still here.

Tomorrow should be better since I'd be done with a big graphic design inner rim.

Also don't forget about this laughable pile of trash reads list that is now a confscum reads list.

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That momo top townread is a joke

I might also need to reconsider riley. There was a reason I townread Riley, but I forgot now.

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Of course hapahali x JaeReed x Darklyn is a team I ship.

I'll bite. Why these three?

I had a tr of Grendel from somewhere early in the game so I need to reeval that slot. Same with Transcend - I liked his movement on the nancy wagon, so it's eyebrow raising to me when someone says that this very movement is what makes him scum.

Actually I thought I townread rileycountant for this, but now I'm not sure that makes them town.

[Fro99er]

Cause i think you are town and want to know.

are you doubting my mason claim?

[Fro99er]

I am not much of an expert of reading Grendel since this is my first game with him but he is town lean for me. This is mostly a gut read as I have not fully analyzed him yet but nothing strikes me too far off.

you didn't even try to read Grendel

town you would be much more interested in sorting him.

and since you don't bus.....

[Fro99er]

Hate to break it to you my frogbruh, but I don't really believe in bussing.

Busses run over so many frogs

[Fro99er]

My vote is switching to Riley because first of all, her meta is a manipulated piece of sh*t. She screams and types in caps and adds ies at the end of words so that people don't really get the meaning of posts.

Also, has anybody here seen Riley's so called scum hunting this game. That's the real clincher. Her scum hunting is fake, so she hides behind the meta she had designed for herself

Riley, either do real scum hunting and talk like a normal person or be lynched as scum.

VOTE: Rileycountant

uhhhh nancy, I have so many problems with nancy's meta before this game. Her fucked up scum reading just push me past the line.

also, I think these reads are crap. The reason to scumread riley is literally the worst.

Forgot that's why I was townreading Riley as well, because I had built up a Grendel/momo associative team in my head.

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holy shit 2002 account

VOTE: Green Crayons

YOUR ACCOUNT IS OLD

Also, this sounds dumb, but this pinged me from momo.

[Fro99er]

YOU GUYS BROUGHT ME TO L-2. WHAT IS SCUM HAMMERED???????

fake

obviously scum wasn't going to quickhammer their scumbuddy there.

[Fro99er]

Can Riley, not Accountant, Riley, please explain why she can't type like a normal person.

Because typing like a hyper 5 your old girl is not genuine.

And not genuine is scum.

this is such bs

[Fro99er]

Not really liking this Transcend wagon. Despite everything, I still think Transcend is town. Going to trust my gut.

After seeing Hiraki's full case on Transcend...just wow. I missed most of that stuff.

VOTE: Transcend

Guys vote darklyn.

Wait no, don't. I don't even know why I said that.

VOTE: hahpahauli

Judging by transcend reaction, he is town.

awesome progression

[Fro99er]

Frog. Do you have any questions for me??? Or am I Scum for no reason.

reasons

[Fro99er]

I am not much of an expert of reading Grendel since this is my first game with him but he is town lean for me. This is mostly a gut read as I have not fully analyzed him yet but nothing strikes me too far off.

you didn't even try to read Grendel

town you would be much more interested in sorting him.

and since you don't bus.....

this is the most damning reason though. 1062 posts in and hasn't tried to read Grendel, then doesn't make any effort to try to read Grendel after that.

This is scum realizing they don't want to give reasons to read their buddy, because they don't actually HAVE any good reasons to give a read one way or the other, since they haven't needed to read their buddy all game.

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and THAT's exactly why I wanted to build up these connections before I outed the guilty.

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I still think Momo's town.

Why is momo town?

mm, I know its not a great answer. I think that for momo to be scum he would have to be playing an intentionally self destructive game. I'm more inclined to believe that he is derp town then scum purposely drawing attention to themselves.

Pre edit

Like, only the first point was associatives with horror. The rest of the stuff was independent from that.

Momo is lock scum.

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Also, I don't think GC is the buddy if momo is scum.

it's someone else.

[Fro99er]

I don't think it's Riley if momo is scum. momo's meta push on riley doesn't make sense as scum-scum

[Fro99er]

I think momo would probably pick a different avenue to bus, although it does get them out of making an actual reason to read riley.

IDK

[Fro99er]

could see it as Hiraki, yeah.

Here's where I'm at

{frog}
{dark, Titus, Jae}
{transcend, nancy}
{GC, Hiraki, Riley} <-- this tier the players will move up or down based off a momo flip
{momo}
{Grendel}

[Fro99er]

actually, transcend might even be one tier closer to town

[Fro99er]

yah, think so

[Fro99er]

Titus why would you rather lynch Grendel without searching for his buddy right now?

[Fro99er]

Titus why would you rather lynch Grendel rather than searching for his buddy right now?

EBWOP

[Fro99er]

Right, at this point scum won't.

I guess the order doesn't matter too much. At least I got some associatives built and some reactions from my gambit.

I still want everyone to post in here now that I've given my guilty before there's a hammer. For example...rileycountant posting now that they know grendel is confscum would be good. Especially with the way they've read Grendel all game.

I'd like to see how rileycountant's reads change now knowing Grendel is confscum

[Fro99er]

Remember -- we can wait. Even scum will be forced to post content every 48 hours.

[Fro99er]

I full claim mason. RC and I did NOT recruit Jae. It was a reaction test to see where we're at. Jae is town tho for the reaction.

WE HAVE A GUILTY ON GRENDEL...BUT I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH GRENDEL. I WANT TO TRY TO LYNCH ONE OF HIS PARTNERS

That's why I wanted Hiraki and GC to talk, because I wanted to build some associations. Scum will have to kill me tonight anyway, because I'm the only conftown here. If they leave me alive, it's a 1v1 with me and Grendel tomorrow, and I would not risk that as scum. Ever.

I'm proud of Jae for knowing what I was doing and going along with it, and annoyed at Transcend for telling me I'm bad.

<3

I wanted to be upset with you for forcing me to gambit but considering how me and nancy were going at it I can understand why you did.

UNVOTE:

Catching up.

yeah...after our 1v1 when I replaced in, you easily became my strongest townread. Forcing you to gambit was a calculated call on my part, because I know you are pretty smart with these gambits. I'm glad you could trust me <3

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Not as certain on this. A good way to pocket lynchbait town is by hard defending them. The way their wagon forms is as good a reason as any. It's not impossible it's just a scumbuddy read though.

I can get on board with this

[Fro99er]

It's probably Riley, maybe Hiraki

I'd add GC but that looks like a good pool for Grendel's partners.

if it's not momo it's 100% GC

[Fro99er]

PLEASE don't put Grendel at L-1 until Riley and Transcend post now that I've outed the guilty.

In fact, maybe somebody can unvote so Grendel doesn't self vote.

[Fro99er]

also nancy needs to post since the guilty.

[Fro99er]

What makes you 100% certain?

that early game interaction between the three of them

[Fro99er]

maybe...possibly

also, I have a post to point out...1 sec

[Fro99er]

Firstly,

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Did you have a reason for this vote?

<asks question about page 1 post>
<ignores only two posts from RC and GC that would answer this question>
<ignores post from other player who also pointed out the weird aspect of RC's post>

Because "point at this quote" is a bleh thing to use as an argument. You'll have to assume that other players that have never played with you could immediately jump inside you head, and get your prospective.

I think that RC's op makes sense in context that RC is frequently night killed, so if he is town recruiting him would be risky.

If you did it must have been shallow given the shift to Momo not five posts later.

<makes a joke about a page 1 vote being shallow>
<this is a joke, right?>
<this must be a joke>

It was a playful remark. However, your reaction to it looks like an attempt to put off pressure from me as me-

acting stupid

.

Which gives you the space to treat me like a VI, or scum, depending on what would be most convenient.

The bolded doesn't look like scum-scum

[Fro99er]

Jae was stupidly obv town.

Not sure why you wasted a cop check on them.

Lol @ recruiting the most obvious town and the biggest liability to town


Lalala

you're welcome

[Fro99er]

That makes no sense.

[Fro99er]

Alright.

I guess we just lynch Grendel now.

The connections are there and y'all can figure it out without me.

VOTE: Grendel

[Fro99er]

If I am nightkilled

.

This is the dumbest statement ever

[Fro99er]

PEdit lol

[Fro99er]

The guy who is under heavy suspicion being killed over the conftown mason.

LMFAO

[Fro99er]

12) Death is final, but a single contentless "bah!" post will be permitted.

bah