Open 691: Jungle Republic (ENDGAME)

[Vedith]

Hey, Titus, what's the odds that Generation X is scum here?

[Vedith]

Also, I have a busy day.
I'll do a ready later.

[Vedith]

I was more talking about the last time me you and Trans did this setup.

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

No reason!
I'll be looking at this game after work/games night though!

[Vedith]

Radja buddying me and going for the easy vote

Gamma having awful reads

Don't let anyone buddy you!
You're obvious town, buddy and people will take advantage of that unlike me, buddy!

Between us we have this, buddy!

[Vedith]

I'm reading A50 as town here based on ISO from our previous game. As scum he's more into defending players, questioning players and poking holes in scum reads against town. I never saw him push like this.
I still don't like Dunker's vote on Tails, but i don't think the wagon is a bad one.
VOTE: Tails

What's good about the wagon?
Players on it? Easy wagon? Voting Scum?

[Vedith]

I asked you a question, Brie!

[Vedith]

Sorry, I missed that.
I think Tails is more likely to be scum than Dunker. He's done a few scummy things, and I trust Almost.
Probably a flimsy reason, but I feel a bit lost in this game. Life's been overwhelming lately and I've got a cold.

Hope you feel better soon
What scummy things? Remember, you're trying to convince my vote here.

[Vedith]

I just looked and there wasn't as much as I'd thought. Mostly his bad argument for Almost being scum. Along with that is a little misrepping and a few unreasonable town reads. Which could be inexperience. And now I've almost convinced myself to unvote. I'll have to rethink this. I probably won't be back till tomorrow. Got to do life.

VOTE: Brie

[Vedith]

trans head replaces out

Sad times

[Vedith]

Brie showing opportunity to swap votes there.

[Vedith]

but I can see the problems with Wisdom

What are these problems?

[Vedith]

but I can see the problems with Wisdom

What are these problems?

@Brie

[Vedith]

Hellfire hasn't posted in four days.

I think he site flaked.

Cause I was tired and he was so confident.

Confidence doesn't mean town.

Wisdom won't even try to make a case on me, says he doesn't do cases, blatantly ignores newbies except for me, and my biggest town reads were voting him.
When I have trouble sorting the game, I try to follow my town reads when they make good sense. I'm going to try sorting things out more pretty soon.

(I'm not sure when I stop being a newbie. This is my fifth game. First open. Second game bigger than 9 players.)

Do you think that Wisdom has a scum motive to push a lynch on you without reason? Or do you think that normally comes from town?
I don't have a case on you, I've just voted you. I haven't even commented on the other slots which people are considering as "newbies". Surely I would warrent your vote over Wisdom by this logic?

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Day Ends:0 days, 1 hour, 8 minutes

I didn't realise we were so close to deadline.

And A50 / Titus tried to go for a no lynch with wasting votes on Wisdom.

[Vedith]

I'll be on tonight.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Math

Out of Titus and A50, I town read A50.

Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

How did you come to the conclusion that one of them is scum?

Because I didn't read it as TvT.

[Vedith]

On the other hand, if we do lynch the WW the Seer can safely claim and become an IC, which is good for us already. So, lynch the WW >> prevent the NK + gain an IC.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: What about Titus/Almost read TvS?

Well, not them against each other directly, but they way that both were pushing against the lynch suggests strongly that they didn't want their buddy to be lynched. WW losing a member day 1 puts them in a situation where the chances of winning are slim.
Titus wouldn't defend that hard without additional knowledge to the situation (Unless it was just an ego war with Wisdom, of course).

What's your stand on the situation again?

[Vedith]

did i mention vedith is scum? yeah

Cool

[Vedith]

he's def not mafia since he prefers to go after them instead of WW

Why does that mean he can't be Mafia?
He doesn't seem to care who to go for (or at least claims). So why can't he be Mafia trying to manipulate people voting away from Mafia?

[Vedith]

He made a post explaining why he wanted to go after mafia and leave the WW alone for now, I'm at work so it's hard for me to go back and look right now.

But why can't he manipulate who scum is to us?
You have ruled Wisdom out as Mafia because he is 'looking' for Mafia?

[Vedith]

So yes, I'm the Werewolf. I'll gladly work with town to kill mafia in exchange for being endgamed and not lynched.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Math

[Vedith]

So we basically have 1 of 2 situations.

Gin is Mafia trying to draw out a seer - I don't really like this option as on any night kill not agreed, or even if told not to shoot would have them lynched.
or, Gin is now town's Vigilante and we control the night kill.

[Vedith]

How about the Seer makes the decision on who I kill? Or just have all players vote.

Having majority would be best.
If Majority isn't agreed, then you don't shoot.

This would also help us see if scum try to manipulate the shots at later game too after flips.

[Vedith]

The issue I have with the game being nightless means that scum have chat all the time.
The best time to catch scum out is during the day when they can't discuss further.

So I'm against.

[Vedith]

Am I the only one still in favor of lynching the WW?

Yes. If we get into a situation of MyLo or LyLo, then we need to lynch the WW, otherwise no.

[Vedith]

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
I'm okay with being vigged tonight. It takes out the bad suspicion on me.

If NTRP flips scum, the last 2 will remain in

MMM
Tails
Bins
Dunkerdoodles

[Vedith]

I don't really like using meta but does anyone know whether Transcend would be able to hard bus his partner like this?

Trans is unreliable in his meta. He both busses and defends as scum.

[Vedith]

Hmmmmmm

Ok she's probably the real WW but I'd still like the Seer to inspect her tonight just to be sure

And then tomorrow we have a confirmed. It works out perfectly.

[Vedith]

I just want to add, if the seer is in one of these

MMM
Tails
Bins
Dunkerdoodles

And NTRP flips town, then tomorrow lynch Wisdom.

[Vedith]

We still need to agree on how we're going to choose the night kill. I think we should hold off on kills until we have a confirmed Seer, that helps our chances of not hitting town.
There's really no fool-proof way of ONLY hitting mafia, but I think if all players vote for a night kill, we might discern some patterns and reason out who the scum team is likely to be.

It's agreed, you shoot me otherwise if Wisdom is scum he will spend the entire day pushing for my lynch (or yours).
Then we stick to what I said about town flips = Wisdom scum.

Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

I'm not Seer I'm VT.

[Vedith]

I'm not Seer I'm VT.

Same btw. Might as well since it seems im gonna be lynched :/

I wanna vig Dunkers or MMM

Can we be best friends in the dead PT? <3
Also, my reasoning is because it explains if Wisdom is scum or not.

[Vedith]

do tell us why i would be scum if ntrp isnt

I already said why. Tomorrow, if the Seer is in the list of names I said and if NTRP flips town, that proves you as scum for me trying to push 2 town.
If there are any red flips before tomorrow though, you have nothing to worry about

[Vedith]

Because me being town and pushing two town is unlikely? You consider me that good?

No, it's also POE.
I don't believe that I have all 3 scum in the 4 names I said.
And I don't believe the other names to be scum either. What wrong, Wisdom? Getting the sweats?
As I said, if there's a red flip, you're fine, if not town should lynch you.

[Vedith]

Someone explain why dunkers is town?

Who has him as town?

[Vedith]

Well, if Wisdom is scum, then at least they know where to look next.

[Vedith]

But it's only shading if me and NTRP flip green, when then it's not shading.

[Vedith]

It doesn't matter, it makes 0 sense for Wisdom to say I'm shading by calling him scum on both of us flipping green.

[Vedith]

And you're lynched tomorrow.
We get it

[Vedith]

VOTE: Gingham
L1 (?)

I didn't think of the numbers after mine and NTRP flip (given if NTRP flips town).

If you're town Wisdom, then why are you not considering us going into night 3 with only 3 town vs 3 scum and 1 WW?
You already showed doubt on your reads with me calling you tomorrows lynch.

[Vedith]

Bins is town btw.
I can confirm this because we are best friends.

[Vedith]

Yay Bins \o/

[Vedith]

when i scumread him before i was relly annoyed/mad with him so it was just a dumb read

I mean so far he has been right about the wolves to gj to him but until hr catches maf im relucant to put him from leantown to strong town.

What's your thoughts on Bins and Math?
Considering that Wisdom is calling them scum.

[Vedith]

I'll hammer math if you guys need me too.

bruh we only halfway thru the day (i think) calm dafuq down. math hasnt even defended yet.

And what defence are you looking for?

[Vedith]

@vedith ang defence. give him a chance to respond was my thinking.

Is there a response for you to think of them as town?
If Math goes "Im VT, Scum are voting me then What?

[Vedith]

So we're lynching Bins over Math now?

What warrants Bins over Math, Wisdom?

[Vedith]

NTRP, Vedith & Dunker should all agree on one wagon on the three. Here's your chance to show your true colours.

Don't try to scare me into voting with you. Won't work.

VOTE: Bins

[Vedith]

like wisdom if you're actually town you'll realize vedith was the scum vote on my wagon and tails was the scum stance off it

thanks

Hey, less of that, best friend!
It breaks my heart, but you're scum here!

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith
The recent Vedith-Bins exchanges make me feel like there's exactly one scum in them and I think it's more likely to be Vedith as I still townread Bins.

You realise that your comment is pretty obvious to one of us being scum.
Bins is like a book to me, and I can read her page by page!

[Vedith]

Best friend Bins! Lets put our alignments aside right now!
Talk to me about Tails as I have an opinion I want to share with you!
Woo me on Tails!

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Oh.

[Vedith]

V/LA over the weekend!
Have fun \o/

[Vedith]

So why is Dunkers Scum here?

[Vedith]

By looking at ISOs ntrp and tails do look town compared to dunkers AND VEDITH
so yeah ok

This is scum Bins.

[Vedith]

Notice how Bins talks a lot about Dunker scum, but doesn't action it.
If Dunker is scum and I'm scum, then what's it matter who's lynched first?

VOTE: Dunker

L1

[Vedith]

im fine agreeing w a scum in dunkers and Vedith but id heavily prefer vedith first

By looking at ISOs ntrp and tails do look town compared to dunkers AND VEDITH
so yeah ok

because i think vedith is obv scum and dunkers may just be newbtown

I'll just leave this here.

[Vedith]

Tell me why Bins isn't scum then, Dunker? Or Math, or Tails.

Bins is scum and I can't see you and Math being town, how do you see it?

[Vedith]

no jumped onto "lynchbait" vedith and i'm SURE if vedith were town scum would have gunned for him harder, makes me a lot more certain he's scum that scum chose to ignore my wailing about

Scum have been trying to gun for me harder... You...

[Vedith]

if you're town, i'm town, the other town is ntrp

i'm happy with my ntrp townread, it's not changing

then we lynch vedith

This is still scum.
NTRP is most likely town here given this comment, and I think Wisdom is town.

That just leaves Tails and Math.

Tails is more likely because of the constant "I'll check Vedith waaah!" then doesn't.
Math PoE.

[Vedith]

we should lynch math, not bins

Considering no one here town reads Math (correct me if I'm wrong) and I don't believe everyone scum reads Bins here.
I agree with this.

[Vedith]

Everyone state your read on Math and Bins as there is 1 scum+

I say Bins scum
Math scum

Go.

[Vedith]

I'm not voting yet.
Plus Math is the better lynch tactically here to not lose LyLo.

[Vedith]

Why only now?

[Vedith]

Opinion on Bins again, Tails?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Bins

Lets see if you bus.

[Vedith]

Biiiiiiiins!
I'm sorry best friend forever! I never wanted it to happen like this!

[Vedith]

You obviously wasn't convincing enough...

[Vedith]

Thanks for modding, Comm!
Sorry Tails and Math, you pretty much carried me. \o/

[Vedith]

Maybe now you'll re-evaluate Wisdom?

No thanks.