Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

why did titus suddenly decide that math was hard bussed after she got lynched but before the flip?

[RadiantCowbells]

I would really like to see a flip

[RadiantCowbells]

If I end up dead tonight, Titus gets lynched no questions asked. she does not get to get away with pushing a bunch of cops on me as scum then nightkilling me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Gamma go on a doc of your choosing, whoever you think is going to be scum
Paul go on another cop

[RadiantCowbells]

Giga, do you need me checked before the end of the game to townread me

[RadiantCowbells]

So let's talk about Titus for a minute then. I know everybody thinks she must be town. But the level of naivete she's shown regarding Math borders on malicious negligence. Is there a possibility that she is indeed scum and that she just held back on bussing her teammate for as long as humanly possible?

I am really concerned about the fact that as soon as Math was lynched but hasn't yet flipped she declared that I was scum hard bussing her.
If anything I would expect her reasoning to be that I was in fact hoping not to lynch her given that I didn't show up to vote the wagon until it was inevitable (because of RL concerns but)
I don't know. I scumread Titus like fuck in civilization and I replaced into a town slot and was like jesus fuck wait titus is town. The scumthread of that will be interesting.
I still think that she's town but I don't want her not to get lynched because of my read on her slot

[RadiantCowbells]

Biochem, not civilization.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah my specific post was terribly inaccurate because lack of sleep and sick but

what I meant was that I replaced into Biochem basically to powerlynch Titus and lol about it later but I rolled scum and she wasn't in my scum PT and I was so frazzled by it that I couldn't play the game properly.

It's a scum topic that's worth reading tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there's something wrong with my psyche when in my current position I'm staying up til 2 posting in mafia games.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I'm pretty sure it's just Titus/Alban then. Math was the only scum in the cops

[RadiantCowbells]

Or Alban/Navy I guess.

[RadiantCowbells]

don't wanna be a canadian idiot
don't wanna be some beer swilling hockey nut

[RadiantCowbells]

don't wanna be a canadian idiot
don't wanna be some beer swilling hockey nut

What was the meaning of this post?

They all live on donuts and moose meat
And they leave the house without packin' heat

[RadiantCowbells]

Err I forgot that Gamma emerald was a player in this game

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing will get me down to the bottom of this game quicker and posting lyrics to American Idiot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can we lunch Alban today?

[RadiantCowbells]

why?

i think it's possible he's town - genuine feels and all that that i didnt really get from last game

he also feels less like... tactical? mechanical? than before

I don't agree with this.
I also don't agree with your cooperative sheep scumread and I note that everyone scumread the shit out of him in 1875 and I was the only reason he stayed alive that game.
I also note that the timing of his replace out feels far more town than scum and that despite my confidence in my Titus read being one peg lower this still reads as her town game.

Is he known for shitposting though? I haven't ever seen him shitpost. And if I didn't know any better, I'd call it signaling to his partner for some reason. Like at night he established some sort of shot that he would call based on the song he quoted or something.

I was telling Titus to claim a guilty on me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would say in my last 20 games I have posted green day lyrics in more of them than I haven't

[RadiantCowbells]

if it helps, this is from civilization mafia. I was scum but definitely not signalling.

[RadiantCowbells]

also there is not daytalk in this game unless it's different from 685

[RadiantCowbells]

i've seen rc shitpost before yes

also fairly sure that theres daytalk based on the last two games

pedit: i'll give him a second look but i recall asking for a more in-depth explanation here if you could do that without avoiding outing his alt

SHEEP TOWN RAWR

*THUMPS CHEST*

[RadiantCowbells]

itus can't be a scum after Math!scum - especially the way she was defending them and they taking Titus's name as their investigation. It's possible but it's far fetched idea. Also, the vehemence with which they were supporting each other. Actually Math hardly spoke. It was Titus supporting Math throughout, and again, such a loyal support seems illogical coming from a scum.

What do you think about the fact that in the previous iteration of the setup the original strategy I suggested was for Titus to claim an inno on me and for us to hard defend each other?

[RadiantCowbells]

I would say in my last 20 games I have posted green day lyrics in more of them than I haven't

But they aren't even really Green Day lyrics. They are Weird Al lyrics for the parody of a Green Day song. This lack of distinction is somehow even more suspicious. I admittedly might be paranoid, but this is still fucking sketchy.

I'm not defending myself from this. If you think that I'm scum because I posted weird al lyrics, go ahead and vote me.

[RadiantCowbells]

can we not do this

I want to talk to Titus and figure out what alignment she is. if she's scum we lynch her, otherwise let's lynch Alban.

[RadiantCowbells]

You can sort Alban all you like. I was referring to you and Vedith.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would say in my last 20 games I have posted green day lyrics in more of them than I haven't

But they aren't even really Green Day lyrics. They are Weird Al lyrics for the parody of a Green Day song. This lack of distinction is somehow even more suspicious. I admittedly might be paranoid, but this is still fucking sketchy.

I'm not defending myself from this. If you think that I'm scum because I posted weird al lyrics, go ahead and vote me.

Or you could just let me know what you were playing at. You're not going to bravado me into dropping it, but I'm also not voting you just for a song quote.

I was listening to Canadian Idiot on youtube and enjoying it so I posted some of the song lyrics as they came on. Which is usually what I'm doing when I post song lyrics!

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you call it bravado but there's really nothing to say besides I felt like posting song lyrics so I did it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I post song lyrics regularly.
I have used cues for scumpartners in the past but they're far more subtle: usually the first letter of the first word in posts combined with a signal to look for something indicates something to my partner and vice versa.
Here's some stuff that we were using in 685 where I had Titus claim a guilty on me since I didn't feel like I would be able to make LyLo with a shit ton of cops to randomly guilty me.

If they flip not-cop and you still want to bus me then pout at me. if they flip cop and you don't want to bus me then pout at me
so basically pout is polarity reversal

End a sentence with 'thanks for the help' emoticon or similar if you're ready to claim the guilty and if I'm ready I'll say you're welcome if not I won't say you're welcome

There was also one where the number of letters in the second word of a post with a specific smiley correlated to a strategy I wanted to try.

[RadiantCowbells]

worth a read btw

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=70767&user_select[]=20971

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey, yeah we did an agreed upon bus? What's the relevant point here beyond suggesting you might be bussing RC? I came in with alban/navy as my top but what gives.

Second, wtf giga on checking Vedith rather than turning this game into a fucking cakewalk by doctor checking.

The relevant point is that Kelvin has spent the last 2 pages questioning why I'm posting song lyrics
so I'm explaining what my codes actually look like and that if I were scum who wanted to code a message he wouldn't notice it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vedith should be docced and check Gamma
Gamma should check a doctor, preferably Navy

[RadiantCowbells]

This supposes absolutely nothing: and if we in fact lynched a cop claim it would be Gamma in which case that wouldn't apply.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus it feels like you're just looking for reasons to call me scum and it's not a good look for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Navy's town, why wouldn't that wagon take?

because town-aligned players didn't let it take.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like this strategy actually

If Titus claims N4 doc, Vedith cops Gamma, Gamma cops in docs (not kelvin), any other cops on Gamma, if Vedith dies we autolynch Titus

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that it's navy/titus but something to keep in mind there is that there are confirmed scum in the docs

and like I said Navy's play sort of resembled bussed!Navy from a previous game

so lynching Navy solves the 1 doc in the docs issue and allows Math/Titus to townblock the remainder of the game

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, answer us this.
Are you a day 4 doc?

If no, we lynch here today.
If yes, we don't and I can check someone tonight, and if I die then Titus is scum.

It will give us 2 confirmed town tomorrow, or a confirmed scum with the possibility of lynching a scum today.

Vedith, are you claiming Night 4 Cop here? I'm a Night 4 Doc, so I'll gladly protect you tonight.

I am a night 4 doc.

Excellent. You're on me tonight. If I die, we lynch you tomorrow. If Vedith dies, we lynch me tomorrow. Other than that, we can lynch based on Vedith's results.

I'm pretty sure that Titus should be on Gamma Emerald to guarantee the cop result. If he's town scum would just shoot him and waste both results.

[RadiantCowbells]

some of it is stuff that you've said that I had already thought of yesterday, the rest is OC from an OG.

[RadiantCowbells]

If we're not lynching Titus today I could accept a Navy lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

okay perfect

Titus docs Gamma
Kelvin docs Vedith
Vedith onto Gamma
Gamma onto depends what we do today

[RadiantCowbells]

if we get a town flip in the docs target me no wifom. inno on me would confirm the remaining 2 docs as both scum.
if we get a scum flip it's probably better to look for a guilty.

[RadiantCowbells]

if we get a town flip in the docs target me no wifom. inno on me would confirm the remaining 2 docs as both scum.
if we get a scum flip it's probably better to look for a guilty.

Wait, let's go over this.
How does an innocent you make me guilty? Can you explain?

Coz either your theory is wrong or you are scum. Coz I am town.

Assuming Gamma town (by result), assuming you're town, assuming the rest of the game that's obvtown or innoed is town.

2 scum in docs.

That means, assuming that I'm town (by result), scum is Navy/Titus fypov

So if we got a town flip in the docs, it would have to have been on you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm willing to bet the game on Kelvin/NJAC town.

I am town. cop me if there's a townflip in docs and the game is over. I don't want to say anything else about it because suggesting scum strategy.

[RadiantCowbells]

if we get a town flip in the docs target me no wifom. inno on me would confirm the remaining 2 docs as both scum.
if we get a scum flip it's probably better to look for a guilty.

Wait, let's go over this.
How does an innocent you make me guilty? Can you explain?

I'll see what I can come up with. I'm starting to see how we can basically lock everything down by Day 5, but there are a lot of scenarios to consider to understand why it will be locked.

Ideally, I'd like to take the time to figure out if it is actually impossible for scum to win at this point. If it is, then I'll lay out an argument for why scum should just concede at this point. I will, of course, include scenarios where I am scum, because otherwise people will assume I'm trying to pull a fast one.

Let's not get into this. I've mapped out possibilities and it's not autowin, even if Gamma is town.
All you're going to do by talking about this is make it way easier for scum to figure out what to do.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Alban

Way more likely to flip scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Just vote Alban

[RadiantCowbells]

nicely voted

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that it's navy/titus but something to keep in mind there is that there are confirmed scum in the docs

and like I said Navy's play sort of resembled bussed!Navy from a previous game

so lynching Navy solves the 1 doc in the docs issue and allows Math/Titus to townblock the remainder of the game

And bussing Math let's you coast forver.

We can play this type of game on that but you know I don't coast.

Am I coasting now?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why don't we lynch Navy? Saves almost the hassle and reveals a lot.

VOTE: Navy

what does it tell us

[RadiantCowbells]

Lonely Cowbells seeks early 30s married lawyer for discussion of mafia game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Namely that it was probably your ego shouting down a scum lynch and you got lucky.

Or

Or that you're scum hard bussing Math.

Okay so correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying that

1) if Navy is scum, I was egotistical and bad but somehow got lucky when I correctly lynched scum.
2) if Navy was town, I was hard bussing Math.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why not

1) I was hard bussing Math because they piss me off and it protects Navy, my scumpartner, who I think is somewhat adorable.

or

2) I am emperor RadiantCowbells, supreme scumhunter of the US armed forces in Europe, and I correctly voted scum MathBlade who was a scumfuck and correctly avoided Navy wagon which was on town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like
Getting mad at RC for pushing math is wrong, and crediting him for it is also wrong

?

I'm not sure what historical revisionism you're reading but I was a large part of the reason that Math pulled through over Navy.

I was definitely more anti-navy than pro-math in the sense that I tried to derail onto Alban every time people abandoned Math but I was definitely hard pushing it.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

You don't even think I'm hard defending Navy though; you think we're 1 town 1 scum or so you say. So shouldn't you want to lynch, y'know, me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Not dealing with Navy slot in LyLo is the single compelling reason that you've given to lynch her.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus you're doing this thing where you've spent the whole game treating me with absolutely no respect then getting mad at me because I'm giving it right back to you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus I tried very hard to find some compromise with you but your idea of compromise was 'well we lynch who I want, then we keep lynching who I want'

so the rest of the game just went around you.

[RadiantCowbells]

like if we just sat and listened to you on mathblade we would have had a shitty lynch yesterday and probably ended up losing this game when the people who supported the mathblade lynch died.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would I bus Math when I'm in a pool containing confirmed scum and they're not?

Do you think that your sibling would have been, like, okay with that? Do you not think that if I was actually trying to bus them they would have totally fucking lost their shit at me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Being bussed in general? Yeah, fine. I asked if she would be fine being bussed by

me

.

[RadiantCowbells]

They

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Because math fucking hates me and wouldn't lie down and let me bus them??

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, maybe? Like I am not gonna tell you what they think.

But I would expect them to basically game throw if I tried to bus them, especially with their scum ego. I wouldn't have done it.

Does the way they talked to me look svs?

[RadiantCowbells]

Kelvin you're protecting Vedith right?

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi, Dunn!

How are you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Psst hey Dunn if you're town you should just hammer Alban for the win.

[RadiantCowbells]

yeah this is flipping scum

gamma you should be on titus

[RadiantCowbells]

I SEE YOU ALMOST50

GIMME DAT HAMMER

[RadiantCowbells]

what the fuck

[RadiantCowbells]

?

that's a bad cop imo but not what the fuck worthy

yes it is

[RadiantCowbells]

and why is Titus town?

[RadiantCowbells]

well I'm town so if you're town your choice of investigation basically guarantees we lose this since there's no way I'm convincing people that scum is Titus/Dunnstral

[RadiantCowbells]

like I asked to be copped for a reason.

[RadiantCowbells]

We told him to aim for town Titus, but I told him to aim for town in the fucking docs.

Have you considered that maybe it's Gamma Dunn and that Gamma is hoping we rip each other's heads off?

I have considered that and I've thought Gamma being scum extremely likely since Alban's townflip so now I'm just waiting for Vedith.

[RadiantCowbells]

Stop being dumb and wait for Vedith.

@Gamma I'm town. If you're town and refuse to reevaluate we are going to lose this game.
Titus's 'no bus' meta has been dead for a long time and an example of her bussing can be found in this game where I had her claim a guilty on me and bus me for the win.

I don't know how you well you know my relationship with Math but we have fought ridiculously every time we've played. I only replaced into this game because I knew they were scum before I did. Titus can say what she will about what Math would have done but I just wouldn't have. Like, if Math replaced into a slot and tried to bus me I would fucking lose my shit at them. I would expect the same reaction from them and maybe Math wouldn't gamethrow but there's no way they would have talked to me like they did if we were both scum.

Like, look at the way they're trying to appease me since immediately on my replace in. That's just not a SvS interaction, and I would have been super wary of pushing on Math if I had taken a scum slot.

And whatever Titus says, Math is super proud and super hard resents the idea that I'm better than them. They never lie over and let me bus them like they did here, ever, especially when I made a point of calling out that their scumgame isn't as good as they claim. And frankly I just wouldn't insult a scummate's play who I've had issues with in the past while I'm bussing them.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay then unvote for a second.

[RadiantCowbells]

the protect was mine I'm near 100% sure so dunn's protect doesn't come into play

[RadiantCowbells]

if we're lynching Gamma today I don't want to say anything else today

[RadiantCowbells]

do you want to lynch in docs today then?

[RadiantCowbells]

actually no more votes.

@Vedith last chance if you're reaction testing

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Gamma

leggo

[RadiantCowbells]

@Vedith you gonna vote him?

[RadiantCowbells]

Dunn is not voting so no hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

is there some reason not to hammer?

[RadiantCowbells]

like I'm not posting any game related content this game day if we're lynching gamma and I don't want to have to wait several days to start finishing up this game

I don't understand why we're doing this song and dance

[RadiantCowbells]

dunnbunn, hun

[RadiantCowbells]

so who do you think is scum then?

[RadiantCowbells]

I thought he confirmed Who as scum

[RadiantCowbells]

lynch all liches

[RadiantCowbells]

vote dat shit upppp

[RadiantCowbells]

why don't we take the guilty

and push it onto the gallows dunnbunn

[RadiantCowbells]

no u stop it :[

don't bully me

[RadiantCowbells]

I hear Giga's RC reads are the best reads ever

[RadiantCowbells]

gigabyte rc checklist

is he in the game? town

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Gamma

Vedith come vote so Giga can do her communist hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah same

[RadiantCowbells]

I was day 5 cop

gigabyte is scum

VOTE: Gigabyte

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

without saying anything about what my reads are

if I wanted to lynch Titus would you willing to vote her with me

[RadiantCowbells]

tbh I would expect neither of them to kill vedith

[RadiantCowbells]

Gigabyte is kawaii desu ne

[RadiantCowbells]

lol

[RadiantCowbells]

b-b-baka >_<

@_@

[RadiantCowbells]

I follow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change

An August summer night
Soldiers passing by
Listening to the wind of change

[RadiantCowbells]

see I was actually pretty sure that scum!Titus would just shoot me here but I have bitched at her about her tendency to just auto nightkill me so it's possible she just wouldn't.

also the nightkill would sort of obviously point to her but that's why I didn't want to say anything so that it was clear I was being shot for being RC rather than for anything I said

[RadiantCowbells]

I also think Dunn would be sort of likely to kill Giga because then he would be afraid of her ability to read him and Vedith can sit with his vote down all he wants but I wouldn't hammer.
So yeah I didn't really think anyone would kill Vedith. Like even Titus if she wasn't gonna kill me would probably kill Giggles because she'd be scared of her ability to townread Dunnstral.
The nightkill feels out of place. I'm going to reread

[RadiantCowbells]

The simplest answer is Dunn kills Vedith because they scumread him and townread me and he thinks that he can fool GBT.

[RadiantCowbells]

Tbh I think Titus is scum but at the same time I would feel super shitty lynching her after she spent the entire game trying to lynch scum and got ignored.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dunn why do you keep trying to shift the discussion to me

[RadiantCowbells]

^why do you think I'm scum and not rc?

dunn u baka u did this

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm focused on Titus' answer there; not on shifting votes to you. I'm pretty sure what giga said about you blocking a kill makes sense

so the only reason to townread me is mechanical ?

[RadiantCowbells]

giga also townreads

well if GIGA townreads me

[RadiantCowbells]

surely. what could be a better reason to townread me than Gigabyte townreading me

[RadiantCowbells]

Listen you already think Titus is scum over me but don't want to vote her because you'll feel bad

Giga idk what they're thinking

what does this mean

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm looking for a legitimate read on my slot from you

[RadiantCowbells]

why

[RadiantCowbells]

do you think I'm beautiful

[RadiantCowbells]

loaded question

yes or no answer

[RadiantCowbells]

I would like to be hammertested so I can hammer for my scum win, thank you

[RadiantCowbells]

shh no more tears only dreams now

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not getting lynched today so you can do what you want

[RadiantCowbells]

hi am titus ama

[RadiantCowbells]

diffusion of power more like diffusion of responsibility

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean gamma immediately attacked my doc claim in a way that he didn't attack any of the others so I'm going to say no

[RadiantCowbells]

UHHH
Why do you view the saves as town? Do you have no faith in your save? Or are you just mafia that slipped?
VOTE: Agent Sparkles

I'm not arguing that you're wrong to townread the doctors. I'm arguing you're wrong to townread the protects. I'm saying since you seem to have no faith in your protect you are likely mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Dunnstral

have fun.

[RadiantCowbells]

you've been trying to do this the entire day phase.

[RadiantCowbells]

I actually haven't and I've been trying to see what Titus has to say

I don't think you believe this because you should know that it's going to be much harder to lynch you than it is Titus for me

so I don't believe it. come at me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, can we talk more about why you don't think that I'm scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually @both of you: just calling each other scum isn't productive and is hard to read. Why is the other scum over me?

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

@_@

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@v@

[RadiantCowbells]

Notice me Titus-senpai

[RadiantCowbells]

*pouts*

Titus senpai isn't noticing me

[RadiantCowbells]

man I have less than no confidence in my reads right now

[RadiantCowbells]

yes

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[RadiantCowbells]

whoops

[RadiantCowbells]

I was town ftr.

Yeah, I fucked this up.

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Yeah I think I knew that it was Titus but it just came down to how shitty I would feel if she was town pushing on you the entire game.

What a great way to end a shitty day.

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Fuck's sake I replaced in and immediately said Mathblade innoed Titus. I came up with this strategy. Their interactions were shit. I said Sheep was town the whole game.

I originally wrote the hammer to hammer Titus and I had to rewrite it at the end because GBT and your vote on me convinced me

[RadiantCowbells]

Dunn were you actually scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

really

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We didn't actually have a cop on obvtown Giga. Giga's check was on Vedith. Gamma was scum.

I think Gamma was just as capable of endgaming.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeha, I was surprised enough to see the Creature NK that I felt that I could easily make mine seem the most likely

[RadiantCowbells]

Ftr Titus my entire game plan was to bring you to LyLo to mislynch and I tried to be very obvious about what I was doing so that you can go back and understand what I was doing.

I think it will help you in the long run to try to understand what my play was this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also uhh I would randomize the cop check

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhhhh

then why doesn't town randomize their checks?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why did I get no compliments on my hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

Turns out those "Green Day" lyrics were bullshit after all. What a fucking surprise...

oh yeah I forgot about that.