That's racist. VOTE: GameNBurgerIn post 4, GameNBurger wrote:Kill all chikoritas
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You think only town can misunderstand a statement and question the meaning behind it?In post 34, Transcend wrote:
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It was indeed a crappy trap but surely you realize that the ease with which you fell into it is problematic? Why do your reads blow with the wind? Why do you think you can solve the game on page 2?In post 47, Transcend wrote:oh a crappy little trap ain't gonna get me lynched
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Why don't you think SunChild's 12 was just a joke?In post 79, Raya36 wrote:
Yeah, I get where you're coming from. 12 seems a bit nitpicky to me. There was nothing scummy about Fen's statement, it was simply a comparison to other sites. I actually don't even see how he could be suggesting the rvs votes were anything but serious either. There was nothing within his post to suggest that.In post 38, Transcend wrote:good enough raya
hey since i townread you what do you make of sun's 12?
it looks kinda opportunistic imo and i don't think it was made in jest.
Playing a newbie game is only recommended. My technical first game was a micro since the signups filled up first and I'm actually still in my newbie game even though I've already finished another game.In post 55, EchoVision wrote:
it's called RVS it's what we do hereIn post 50, SunChild wrote:Don't like Sesq's 8, either. Fourth vote with no comment.
I thought players that were new to this forum had to partake in at least one newbie game before going into other queues just so that they got used to site meta and shit even if they've played the game before but guess not grr hiss growl
I'm down to vote Connor. His second post does seem quite sheepy.
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If the reads are fabricated, what was his plan? What's the play? To draw a bunch of attention to himself and get lynched?In post 88, bombcat wrote:
I think it's pretty scummy. Do you think all his reads are substantiated in his own head?In post 84, wavemode wrote:I hate Transcend's play and most (all?) of his reads and logic, but he's not scummy atm.
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Welcome to Mafia.In post 95, SunChild wrote:Only three scum in the game, but half of you guys seem scummy.retired...?-
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You believe Raya is town? How do you feel about her play thus far?In post 99, EchoVision wrote:you're reachingretired...?-
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@EchoVision - I asked because you said SunChild was reaching. SunChild was describing his suspicions of Raya. So you think he was reaching in those suspicions, and Raya is not scummy? But actually, it sounds like you have the same suspicions... so why did you say he was reaching?retired...?-
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I need some meat on these bones. Tell me why I should consider Echo obv town.
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In post 99, EchoVision wrote:
you're reachingIn post 95, SunChild wrote:Raya's seems incongruous too. Spends most of post 79 talking about other things, then jumps on Connorwagon almost as an afterthought because "he seems sheepy." Then unvotes when Flubbernugget tells her to.
Only three scum in the game, but half of you guys seem scummy.
Echovision, explain to me the difference between what Sun said about Raya and what you said. I ask because you seem to be scumreading Sun, and the basis seems to be that he had reachy, opportunistic reads? But as far as I can tell the two of you actually said the exact same thing about Raya. Can I get your analysis on this? And in no uncertain terms, do you currently consider SunChild as the most likely player to be scum?In post 112, EchoVision wrote:I'm not too sure about his fluidity with Connor, he votes him and then less than 15 posts later he just kinda agrees that somebody was right on Connor so he unvotes.
If connor flips scum I'm okay with looking at this as a potential scum buddy. Would make sense if he voted it as an excuse "nah I sus'd him at one point I can't be his buddy"
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@Sun - We are nowhere near a point where I'm comfortable lynching anyone. Several people have still not contributed to the game whatsoever. In fact there are still so many lurkers that the entire scum team could be within just them, while we sit here chasing our own tails and manufacturing suspicion. Furthermore there are still a number of questions I need answered.
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My current vote is fine IMO.
Their thoughts shouldn't be contingent on mine. To recap, I have asked for thoughts from:
- EchoVision, about some of his statements regarding SunChild
- GameNBurger, because he's lurking the everloving shit out of this game
- Raya, because she's taken some questionable actions so far
If I've done something suspicious that any of these three people are curious about, they are free to ask and I will answer. What they shouldnotdo, however, is simply refuse to answer the above questions and deflect. That's all I'm saying.retired...?-
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I will.In post 209, SunChild wrote:you can form opinions and revise them if you get your answers.retired...?-
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Then why did you cast suspicion on Transcend in one of your previous posts? And how do you feel about him now?In post 212, bombcat wrote:I have established myself as obvious town and this game doesn't need my help to roll on so I think people are ok with keeping my thoughts to myself for the time doingretired...?-
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Not sure what's so hard to understand about the fact that I can't share theories that I haven't fully formulated yet... as I've said already, if there's something you want to know from me then ask away, and I will answer to best of my ability. But can everyone stop with this ridiculous notion that I'm not allowed to ask people questions and then draw conclusions afterwards? It's actually harmful to town and you're stifling communication. I don't need to spill out everything that's on my mind, most of which is half-baked and probably wrong, for you to answer simple questions. And you're not helping your image by avoiding the questions and deflecting.
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This is not at all the crux of what I asked you... I don't care if you didnt' realize something. I had a specific question about your reads of the game.In post 241, EchoVision wrote:I didn't realize something, oh well. shit happens.retired...?-
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What is "too far"? And what do you make of Echo's response here?In post 248, ConnorJC wrote:I think it's great play as long as you don't take it too far.
Still waiting for gamenburger this evening btw, then I have some thoughts to post about what's been going on.retired...?-
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Hmm. Not sure whether to read this as towny impatience or scummy shade-throwing.In post 266, Flubbernugget wrote:I don't like that he hasn't made conclusions from all of his questions. Makes him look like he's just being busy
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Well, it's not logic, it's just facts. I'm not defending my playstyle... my playstyle just is what it is and if people don't like it then... tough? You can just choose to be uncooperative like EchoVision if that's your preference.In post 282, GameNBurger wrote:What's with waevmodes shitty logic on keeping their opinions to themselves until others opinions come out, and then arguing other people's opinions shouldn't depend on his?????
And if you actually read the context of what you're referencing, you'd clearly see that I'm specifically talking about answers to questions. If people are still making up their mind about things like I am, that is fine. But I don't know why they can't answer simple questions. And, likewise, for the third time now, if anyone has any specific questions for me, I will gladly answer them to the best of my ability.retired...?-
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Still false. You guys can keep repeating this but it won't make it true If anyone wants to ask me anything, fire away.In post 295, EchoVision wrote:needs everyones opinions before he can spill his own.retired...?-
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Alright, I've seen enough here.
I don't really want to kill Echo anymore. He's decided to posture himself as trolly, irritable, AND uncooperative. Whiiiiich means he's probably town. Scum want to look like they are trying. Town just want to try.
Sun is most likely to be scum here, that much is clear. He doesn't really have reads, he just has insults. Yes, we know Transcend is acting like a fool. But give us more than that. (I didn't really bother reading through his meta dive since meta is stupid and just feeds confirmation bias.) His scumread on EchoVision similarly hinges entirely on insulting his play rather than pointing out things that actual scum would be trying to do in a game like this. Furthermore, his pushes on Trans and Echo make perfect sense. In his own post, he expresses confusion as to why we aren't voting Trans. He thought Trans and Echo were safe places to attach non-sheepy votes because he expected to get more support, because of how ridiculously they’re playing ( no offense, guys <3 ).
Even looking orthogonal to this, Sun’s play in general has been awful. Meaningless shade thrown left and right and confirmation bias in the extreme. He also seems to have started the game with some joke posts then lost all sense of humor by page 3, lol. His anger feels forced. If it’s not… lighten up buddy, it’s just a game.
With that said, I VOTE: SunChild.
Now from this point, we use SunChild as an anchor and analyze the posturing of the townsfolk.
If Sun flips scum then Trans and Sesq look pretty damn good. (Of course, that probably means they’re the scum team and this was epic strategic bussing…)
Raya would probably be town here, too. I gave her an opportunity to throw shade on Echo, Sun’s sworn nemesis, but she held back, like, a lot. She’s sheepy, but the thing about being sheepy is that it’s only really scummy if you’re secretly a wolf. But Raya seems like she is really a sheep. Newbies like this usually flip town, honestly.
Fen RVS’d twice. He switched his vote to Sun as a joke (supposedly) then promptly took it off once there was heat on Sun. Kinda interesting distancing.
What forced me to take a second look at Sun was Flubber, tbh. He had a weird reaction to Sesq voting Sun (too early to place a begrudging vote like it’s a compromise? Is this real talk?)
Sun and Game could be partners. Sun pulled on Game for his Trans wagon and Game pushed away, but then in the end said he townreads Sun anyway, and STILL joined the Trans wagon. He seems to not scumread Echo, but that could be distancing. He still made a bunch of points against echo.
The way Connor is postured is just bad. His push for Trans/Echo being the team is very much aligned with Sun’s views. He townread Fen for almost no reason and dislikes Sesq… oh boy.
Jjh and bombcat are null. Just very little participation from either.
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Alright back on my computer. Yeesh, I forgot how lazy some players are... scroll down like two inches in my ISO and you see this.
My thinking has not changed on Trans since I posted this. He has not really struck me as scum and, frankly, I agree with him on his Sun read. So yeah, I consider him town at the moment.In post 92, wavemode wrote:
If the reads are fabricated, what was his plan? What's the play? To draw a bunch of attention to himself and get lynched?In post 88, bombcat wrote:
I think it's pretty scummy. Do you think all his reads are substantiated in his own head?In post 84, wavemode wrote:I hate Transcend's play and most (all?) of his reads and logic, but he's not scummy atm.
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I disagree with this sentiment, since I am always been open to questioning if anyone is curious about anything about me. Just ask.In post 306, GameNBurger wrote:All the town gets is not knowing your opinions until a slow user (me) catches up thru 11 walls.
Like, would you rather I just lurk the game away like Sesq? She and I are the same in that we don't post everything that's on our mind all the time. The difference between me and her, though, is that I try to question people in the meantime, since I believe it helps the town. I don't really see anything wrong with that.retired...?-
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Yes, I scum read how Sun's entire case against Trans and Echo (besides meta) is based on insulting their play, while he himself is playing quite poorly.In post 316, Flubbernugget wrote:-> Discrediting meta dive strictly for play style, and then saying you shouldn't read off of good/bad play
-> Second paragraph scum reads Sun's bad play
Uhhh... yes. As scum he considers the two lynchbaitiest players to be safe, justifiable votes that will seem non-sheepy to push for, so it makes perfect sense that he is doing just that.Trans and Echo votes are both safe votes yet also make perfect sense
Maybe confusion was the wrong word... but uncertainty. He spent several posts specifically asking people to explain to him why they weren't helping him on his lynch. Implying that he considers the lynch to be common sense, and that people should naturally be getting behind him. That's not scummy in and of itself, mind you. I simply mention it within the context of everything else.Sun trying to get his desired lynch through is framed as confusion as to why people aren't voting for it
This is sort of pointless to say here... we all know that if it's a mislynch then we need to re-assess everything. But I don't believe it will be a mislynch, so why not get a jump on analyzing the game? I might not be alive tomorrow to say all these things...If sun is a mislynches, basing the entirety of his reads around sun's interactions sets him up to look town while doing nothing useful d2.
Eh, you are free to feel that way, my man. I said I'd wait for some people to answer my questions, and then make a post, and that's what I did. If you still feel that me waiting a few days is some sneaky scum strategy then I don't think arguing about it further is going convince you otherwise...Also there's nothing really in here to have to have waited to make a post forretired...?-
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You're thinking about all of this wrong.In post 318, ConnorJC wrote:So, just to clarify, you think Trans is town because:
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- You agree with one of his reads
I've already responded to how attention doesn't mean getting lynched. Additionally, not being able to figure out someone's plan as scum could just make them good scum if they are scum (aka the point is meanigless).
Also, you're almost guaranteed to agree on reads with everybody. I agree with some of Transcend's reads, and he's my top scum right now.
Like, I don't read trans's posts in and of themselves and say, wow this guy must be town. No, I justdon'tread them and think he'snecessarilyscum, for the reasons I gave. That's what's called null.
Okay, now, I currently believe SunChild is scum. So, assuming he is scum, then someone I'm currently null reading who is leading the lynch on Sun looks pretty good to me. Guess who that is? Trans. If Sun flips scum, Trans looks like TownyMcTownerson. Not confirmed, of course, but he would look pretty good. And that's my current expectation. So... yeah.retired...?-
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This sun lynch is feeling really,reallygood at this point. There have been lots of votes in this game and not one has gotten this much pushback. Like, game, flubber, connor, why are you so concerned about Sun's well-being? Flubber in particular, you're going WAY more in-depth and putting in WAY more effort to discredit my read on Sun than anything you've done this whole game. Like, if you three are town, you don't really know for a fact that Sun is town, do you? Why fight so hard? I'm free to scumread him if I so please. If you think the real scum is Trans then go argue for that rather than ganging up on me.
Like, it is actually so telling that after one read onto Sun I am suddenly public enemy number one. Lynching correctly on day one is so difficult for this very reason. If I just helped along the trans or echo wagons nobody would look twice at me. Hell, I had a vote on connor this whole game and nobody gave half a flying fuck about it lmao. (That's kind of improving his image in my eyes.) Then suddenly I switch onto sun and, holy shit, here comes the cavalry. Like, me helping you guys kill Trans or Echo, and nobody really saying much about it, and everyone just kind of going along with it? That reeks of Town vs. Town. But this? This is the real shit. There is scum at work here to derail this wagon and it's so obvious. I just hope I live long enough now to laugh about it.
PEdit: ^ oh wow what is thiiiiis. "grossly misreading" "misdirect" "terrible vibes" sweet jesus this is the motherload of newbscum. Word of advice, brother, that was a purely innocent post and I was just explaining my playstyle. You're tryingwaytoo hard to throw shade there.retired...?-
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No, that mason shit doesn't fly. You can know someone is town and still recognize that people have legitimate cases against them. That's not a situation where you turn around and blindly scumread the person attacking your partner, that's a situation where you calmly present a better case for who you believe the real scum is.ConnorJC wrote:Pedit: There's 3 masons in the game, so there actually are 3 town players that know each other to be town.
Also, maybe people are criticizing your reads now because you actually fucking posted them instead of refusing to give analysis like the first 10 pages of the game.
And no, I'm not talking about this in a myopic sense. I'm considering the game as a whole, and my experience in Mafia in general. When you're right, it strikes a nerve. I hadn't really seen any nerves struck this whole game, until now my one post suddenly raised an army to attack not just my post, but my playstyle and everything about me. Recognize here that I don't feel good about this Sun lynch simply because people disagree with it. I feel good about this Sun lynch because people disagree with EVERYTHING I've done now. Suddenly people are scrutinizing my questions, and my posting habits, and my reads, and my past statements, and my "grossly misreading" "deflecting" "bad vibes" things. I am now the enemy, and the scum are currently trying to discredit absolutely everything about me. I just don't know yet who among you are actively trying to and who are just the naive town.
Uh, ok. Sesq and Echo in general have really played more of the observer role than active participator. They aren't really playing like they want to help the town progress anywhere. But, I mean, those reads are obvious... everyone has said these things. But yeah, those are the best I have.@wave do you have any reads that aren't based on the premise that Sun is scum?retired...?-
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Dude, do you even realize what you're saying... those other people are Trans and Echo. The people you and Flubber and Sun want dead! So, thanks for agreeing with me?In post 327, GameNBurger wrote:there's like 3 other people to go around to accuse of scum if that were the caseretired...?-
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Alright you are asking for a lesson so I will teach you.In post 326, GameNBurger wrote:To address your pedit first: no, I just don't like it when people respond to something I am talking about dorectly with a tangential subject. Why is my post newbscum? Other than using specific language, how is what I'm saying scummy? Please be clear and tell me directly.
Also I basically just stepped into this game as an actual player, you can see a progression of my thoughts on Sun, I think in the end he's town. I can't speak for other but from what I see is people pushing you, not your vote. Also what are you even on about grouping us three together and that if we think we're all town that we should look at sun as possibly being scum? What are you trying to imply here?
It's not about the words themselves, per se, but how you're using them. First of all you're responding to completely non-hostile post with unbridled hostility, always a bad sign. And saying things like "grossly misreading" here just means you're trying to amplify the weight of what you're saying. Why couldn't I have just been misreading your post? Why is it a gross misreading? What does that even mean, and where do you draw the line between gross misreadings and regular misreadings lol. And then you say you want to give me the benefit of the doubt, but then you dont! Come on man, give me the benefit of the doubt. Don't say you want to give me the benefit of the doubt and then not give me the benefit of the doubt. That's just uncool man.
"misdirect" and "terrible vibes" serve similar purposes here. Like, if you have some logical thing to put forth, just say what it is you want to say, in explicit terms. I tried to take away suspicion from me and put it onto Sesq, and that makes you think I'm scummy. There, was that hard? That is how normal people say things.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is, you're not really saying this like a human being, sharing their thoughts and arriving at a logical conclusion. You said it like a lawyer makes his final statements in court, with as much brovado as possible so it sounds like you have absolute confidence in the things you're saying, to make what I did sound much worse than it was. In reality, I (may or may not have) misread something you said. But in your post, I'm a fedora-and-trenchcoat-wearing don corleone with a monacle, drinking wine and stroking a cat, laughing maniacally to myself as I INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD THE TOWN with my GROSS MISREADING. MUAHAHAaaa my master plan is coming to fruitionnnn
Also, I'm not saying you three, if you are town, should look at sun as scum. I'm saying you should be looking at Transcend and Echo, your scumreads. Your focus should be on proving that they are scum and getting support for those wagons, not on me and attacking everything I do.retired...?-
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Yes. Exactly. Everything we do here is worthless until someone dies. I could scumread whoever I want but until they're dead, we don't know for sure, do we?In post 330, ConnorJC wrote:Assuming that one person is scum and building the rest of your reads around that basically means the rest of your reads are worthless until Sun dies.
Like, I'm perplexed by this way of thinking you have, that I should just dance around and point fingers at a bunch of people, cast the net wide and go the path of least resistance. We've got to lynch somebody. ONE somebody. And right now I think that somebody should be Sun. I don't pretend to know for a fact who is scum here or who is town but I've got a damn good read and I think it's our best shot. If I'm wrong I will re-assess (or get lynched. who knows ) but we will cross that bridge if and when we come to it.retired...?-
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Mm, "freaking out" is kind of the wrong characterization here (also, that's kind of juvenile shade to throw). More like, emboldened. I can smell the blood of scum, crying out against the lynch.In post 339, Flubbernugget wrote:Dude has an "army" of two votes against him and he's freaking out
I actually very much doubt you guys will gather enough votes to lynch me here. Your cases are nitpicky and opportunistic, and I don't think we're playing with lots of newbies at the moment. And even if you do lynch me, when I flip town all will come to light sooo... you're fucked. Whoever "you" is. Still not sure of Sun's partners tbh. Game looks very good for it but so do you and Sesq.retired...?-
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Hm, that's an odd way of looking at things. Regardless of who is saying it or why, if there's inaccurate arguments being made against me then I'm going to counter them. Why shouldn't I?In post 345, Flubbernugget wrote:If we're not going to get enough votes to lynch you then you're by your own admission wasting time addressing the cases on youretired...?-
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Word of advice, I think you should just go ahead and stop assuming the things I say to you are in bad faith. You asked me to explain something and I did. If something about that pisses someone off or someone thinks it's condescending, that is purely in their own head.In post 334, GameNBurger wrote:Also returning perceived hostility by being condescending in the first line means you're a rude townie bad at conflict resolution or scum trying to piss people off to draw spotlights elsewhere, so do try to diffuse hostility with kindness (or without condescension)retired...?-
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I've given my case against Sun. I've also given cases against other people, I'm just not personally convinced those other people are necessarily scum. So at the end of the day if you think Trans and Echo and I are scum for believing Sun is the most likely scum here then... you've chosen your side, I suppose. Nothing I say or do is going to convince you otherwise, except changing my read, which nothing so far has led me to do.In post 348, Sesq wrote:i think it was in contrast with transcend, who was actually doing stuff
you're really dodgy with the answer about all your reads being based on sun or not
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Okay Connor can you do me a favor and actually read the game? I feel like this is the third or fourth time you are very obviously overlooking statements I've made. You asked me what my non-Sun reads were and I told you, point blank.In post 365, ConnorJC wrote:
Really, you have? Because last I checked you'd only accused other people of being scum based on your Sun case, rather than them acting scummy.In post 364, wavemode wrote:I've also given cases against other people
Remember, every read that is based on the premise that Sun is scum, and doesn't work if he is town basically doesn't exist right now. You can post them, but expect me to treat them as if you didn't supply any meaningful support, because you didn't.
lol at this point I feel like just responding to these questions with "refer to my iso" and nothing more. It will save us all a lot of time.retired...?-
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Okay then maybeIn post 368, ConnorJC wrote:
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought your "cases" were referring to you calling out people because you believed that the scum were rising up to defend Sun.In post 367, wavemode wrote:Okay Connor can you do me a favor and actually read the game? I feel like this is the third or fourth time you are very obviously overlooking statements I've made. You asked me what my non-Sun reads were and I told you, point blank.
If you meant your previous reads on Sesq and Echo, I mean sure, they exist, but you've literally put no effort into them and even yourself admit that they're weak analysis.I'mmisunderstanding here. What is it you actually want from me? To argue for reads I don't believe in?retired...?-
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I never said your post was bad faith, I said you're assuming that mine was in bad faith. I wasn't being condescending to you or trying to piss anyone off. You asked me a direct question and I simply explained to best of my ability. If you don't want to believe that then that's on you buddy.retired...?-
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It was a rhetorical question... and what is so scummy about it, anyway?In post 370, bombcat wrote:he asked Connor what do you want from me I think that's a very scummy thing to sayretired...?-
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Alright, let's discuss. What's inaccurate about my assessment?In post 376, Sesq wrote:also i checked your sunchild read and it was incredibly inaccurate and a complete misrepresentation soooo stopretired...?-
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Hm. Alright, thanks for your analysis.In post 379, bombcat wrote:When mafia is frustrated and they don't know why they're under pressure they say what do u want from me. It's a classic webcam mafia scumtelk where people let things slip out but it can happen when mafias trying to be transparent in text mafia
Connor, the (rhetorical) question still stands. I really don't see the point in pushing on people who I don't really think are scum, so of course my other reads lack effort.retired...?-
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Wait, what do you even mean by this? If someone wants to lynch you, they can simply get together 7 votes and do so. What does transcend have to do with it?In post 380, bombcat wrote:If anyone wants to lynch me they're gonna have to get theough boyfriend Transcendretired...?-
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The problem with this sentiment is that we don't really know anything to be true.In post 387, Raya36 wrote:That said I would prefer seeing more reads based on what we know to be true not what we think may be true.
Something I've learned is that lynching correctly on day one is never the obvious or easy path. If a certain day one choice feels obvious or easy then that just means that the scum are trying to make it seem that way, and encourage the town to run in a particular direction. Or the town are getting themselves riled up about something and the scum have decided to step back and just let it happen. But when a certain choice starts making you lots of enemies, that's how you know you're probably on the right track.
Sooo, yeah, that's pretty much where my head's at right now. As sesq correctly pointed out, you can't just look at the game in terms of pure logic, but also gut too. And my gut's telling me that the cases people have right now for scum!wavemode are justbittoo nitpicky and childish to all be legitimate town suspicion. I'm definitely getting pushback from scum right now, and that's giving me confidence that I'm right.retired...?-
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This made me laughIn post 433, bombcat wrote:Not if it's two hours of work though I just want god to take it off the endretired...?-
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