Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[jjh927]

Gonna catch up when I can but today is pretty much the only day of the week where I do something so definitely not in the next few hours.

[jjh927]

Gonna catch up when I can but today is pretty much the only day of the week where I do something so definitely not in the next few hours.

What do you do on a Thursday?

Roleplaying.

[jjh927]

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

[jjh927]

It's literally my predecessor's last post.

[jjh927]

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

[jjh927]

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

Okay, well without looking at it I'm gonna call it NAI unless someone can make a good case for scum motivation for it.

[jjh927]

I'll catch up on this today I think.

[jjh927]

@mod is a deadline extension possible considering replacements?

I don't want to catch up only to have to compromise lynch while not having enough time to reliably engage with people.

[jjh927]

Should have bolded and I didn't.

@mod is a deadline extension possible considering replacements?

[jjh927]

VOTE: Alban

I'm probably going to be keeping my vote here while I continue to catch up, because why not have some fun interactions at the new end of the thread while doing so?

But yeah this is probably scum.

[jjh927]

no, alban is town. try again clown.

Go on then. Why is he town?

[jjh927]

Or you could answer me

[jjh927]

Ftr not answering me is generally a bad call

[jjh927]

Why's Alban town?

I place people best by interacting them so you're going to talk to me about this or we're going to 1V1.

[jjh927]

Hello Splatlock Holmes. D:

I think you misspelt jj "can I scumread Titus" h927

why's Alban scum?
we can 1v1 if you wanna be dumb

Alban is scum because I hated some of his early day 1 shit and his current vote is terrible, especially in light of how close we were to deadline before we got an extension. From what I've seen so far, sesq is town and Alban is scum. There's enough shit floating around sesq right now that without intervention he's gonna be the lynch, so Alban can vanity vote all day long and not be on the wagon when sesq flips.

[jjh927]

I'll get around to placing you later, Navy. Your predecessor seems to be one of unnecessary anger and aggression which I think I find hard to place, so engaging with you is going to be much easier.

[jjh927]

You gonna tell me why you think he's town yet, Mutton?

[jjh927]

Sesq is town because his style day one
was to vote damn near everyone,
and that's not scummy when it's blatantly clear
it was to steer the game from RVS
but the smear campaign from Alban messed with that,
and sesq was left with a fickle few friends
but a fair few foes to demand his end.

So Alban pushing that behaviour
made him fall out of my favour.
But as for your rebuttal
I think you've missed something unsubtle-
He scumreads both Vedith and Titus just because they wanted massclaim,
But lame shit like that's the same as how scum can blame their next target-
Tunneling to set up their get-up for the lynch of the next day
while staying off the wagon to avoid the VCA.




This gimmick isn't even hard

[jjh927]

Hi.
I dunno, can you scumread me jjh?

I probably could but considering that I think Alban's scumreading of you is shitty you're defaulting to townlean before I even get to any of your posts.

[jjh927]

so you have read the thread. why did you ignore my Alban comments among others then?

I'm still catching up but Alban's not got a very big iso so I read it and did a little reading around key posts. Wouldn't be a very sensible 1V1 with information disparity.

[jjh927]

I'm afraid I don't care in the slightest bit for meta.
I find avoiding confirmation bias makes your reads much better-
And for tonal reads, comparisons will make themselves known
because you'll find a solid sample in this thread alone.

[jjh927]

So meta sometimes works, and that's something I accept-
but the scum who would get caught by it are logically inept,
As anyone who is aware of their typical play
can emphasise the traits you look for in their towngame.

[jjh927]

Okay then, I'll give you a shot.
What's alban's scum meta, and how is this not?

[jjh927]

So what makes you say that his scum game is different?
You haven't got data to back your opinion.

[jjh927]

So he's got a scummy towngame, and that worries you?
Because he might be a mislynch? But here's the issue-
If his towngame's scummy, then his scumgame is too.

[jjh927]

For a start, you seem to townread him for it.
That's already enough incentive,
but also consider his action's now gone,
and he can sit on that till the game is done.
Next up, scum won't target those with no actions,
so lynching those slots is their best reaction.
Lastly it makes it much harder to guess
who the real night kill was inside of that mess.

[jjh927]

Talk me through it, Titus.

[jjh927]

Shit you can talk me through it anyway but I'm now super concerned about sesq and the Sheep/Navy slot too at where I just caught up to.

[jjh927]

So, let's go back to our wagon;

CommKnight (7)

: Agent Sparkles, Cooperative Sheep, NotTheRealPaul, Sesq, MuttonChopMagic, Hellfire Missile, LunaeCinere,
Sparkles is the wagon starter and a claimed Doc (the first at that) and thus is, guardedly, a reasonable rule out on both points.
I rule myself out.
I have a decent town read on NTRP.
Sesq is the counter wagon, but if I was to wager on an early scum he'd be my bet, but it feels dicey as a guess.
Mutton was a town lean coming into the day, and I guardedly stand by that assessment after his push on me as it somewhat vibes me as stubborn town who thinks they're right rather than scum being desperate, though I'll admit I find myself internally debating this every day, but...eh.
Hellfire is a non-entity who had a bad reason for his vote and has supplied no real thoughts on the game.
Lunae's vote was also bad, but I personally feel that scum prefer a spot prior to hammer.

So on that wagon my logic says Hellfire > Lunae > Sesq/Mutton though I may be conflicted on the Lunae/Sesq positions and neither slot is bothering to do much so it's hard to get a sort feel for them. Thus, at this stage due to wagon theory and his vote position, I wish to lynch Hellfire.

Do you understand my stance better now?

This post, specifically the bit I've quoted, and more specifically the "Sesq is the counter wagon, but if I was to wager on an early scum he'd be my bet, but it feels dicey as a guess." bit, is utter shit. Sesq was counterwagon TO TOWN. That is exactly where wagon analysis should take you and if Sheep was basing anything off of wagon analysis but is being hazy about suspecting Sesq for it while keeping his options open, that's one hell of an associative.

I will want to talk with Navy before I vote her slot, but lynching sesq gives her plenty of time to catch up.

I'd like to talk with sesq before I vote her slot too, but I only need to wait for her to show up for that.

UNVOTE:

Gonna drop Alban for now.

[jjh927]

Excuse me, but are you accusing me of being a fuck nugget who is distracting the game? I'm placing people here. I need to talk to people. And I'm absolutely not letting others sit around and do nothing because I'm going to talk to people in order to place them. We have time to talk and I am planning to use it.

[jjh927]

I'm pretty good. I must say you look pretty towny yourself. You?

[jjh927]

Oh, I'm happy enough with a sesq lynch when I'm ready for one but I still have things to do and people to place.

[jjh927]

Ooh, MuttonChopMagic is an alt. Okay. I think I know who he is.

[jjh927]

I'm completely caught up now.

Townreads: Mutton, Titus, Gamma, Vedith
Townleans: Sparkles
Nulls: NotTheRealPaul
Scumleans: Alban, Hellfire/Math, NJAC
Scumreads: Sheep/Navy, Sesq

[jjh927]

Based on the timer I believe our mod is merciful and giving

[jjh927]

Guaranteed scum in doc claimers, so I'm not voting you today.

Bad news for you, Hellfire looks like scum and we're lynching Sesq.

?? Why is this "bad news"?

Sounds like you claim Trump.

It is only "bad news" if they are Town as I am.

I guarantee Hellfire is exactly as town as you are.

Based on the timer I believe our mod is merciful and giving

Praise be.

Reasons for your reads?

What, all of them? Ask me about specifics when you're more caught up.

[jjh927]

Sure, but I'd like to talk to at least a good portion of those people, and it seems Math would too.


Oh, and Math, I replaced into Creature's slot and I fully understand your concerns.

[jjh927]

Jjh does not get into a "townblock" with Titus. She tries blocks as either alignment. Vedith sounding Townie is scary I am not used to this.

Why don't I townblock with titus?

You're shaping up to be a great target for me to cop.

[jjh927]

I'm on creature's slot. Navy is sheep.

[jjh927]

I replaced Creature.

Do you want to talk about people who aren't you or people at specific points in time when they are talking about you?

[jjh927]

Then talk to me about me.

[jjh927]

I sure hope me and Alban don't have different definitions of talking

[jjh927]

Paul-

Why is Sesq scum?
Why is Mutton town?
Where do you stand on Alban?

[jjh927]

What concerns are you acting on here? Me and Titus TR each other. Are you worried we'll powertown and find the scum?

[jjh927]

Well that's a fun statement. Does it have grounds or is it floating

[jjh927]

Maybe I can get into your thought process here? You think sesq is scum because that's what everyone else is saying, and then you think I must be scum because you think I've been wobbling around the subject of me voting sesq.

[jjh927]

It would do you credit to restate those reasons already mentioned

[jjh927]

I didn't ask if it was a guilty lmao, I asked if you had even the slightest bit of case for this. It's impossible to guilty 2 people simultaneously, especially when I've seen my role pm

[jjh927]

You want to lynch my slot for my predecessor's rvs reads? Not happening.

[jjh927]

I kinda assumed you had more of a case than "RVS reads bluh" to call me confscum.

[jjh927]

I have never misread Creature soooo yeah this is happening.

#dealWithIt
#yourOMGUSSucks

How many games do you have with Creature

[jjh927]

I actually don't have any problem with the sesq wagon. I was asking those questions to get your opinions on those because I was interested in your reasoning. Am sorting you.

[jjh927]

Sesq if you're around then we're going to start talking

[jjh927]

Okay, talk to me about Mutton.

[jjh927]

I am not done sorting- just sesq is more of a priority for being sorted. If she's actually not around then we can do shit.


Vedith and Titus are town. The massclaim was a good thing imo.

[jjh927]

Alban, talk to me about me and my slot.

[jjh927]

Damn I wish people would stop announcing their presence only to disappear after I ask them questions. It means I have to ask the questions again whenever they show up.

[jjh927]

Tbh I'd say support for the massclaim is NAI regardless of who it comes from because I can also see merit in not doing it. But I think this is my preference.


Also if I am to believe you have literally never read Creature wrong and have innumerable games with him then am I to assume you are scumclaiming by reading him wrong?

[jjh927]

Nah, I actually assume a highly sceptical stance and completely doubt that you've never read creature wrong because in the sample I currently have (this game) you're wrong.

[jjh927]

If you want to explain some kind of magical creature tell then go for it, but the fact that you'd call this slot confscum over RVS votes is utterly ridiculous if you value accuracy so much.

[jjh927]

lmao he played a lurky scumgame and literally threatened to resort you when you asked for him to be prodded.

How's this- if you've never been wrong about Creature, then that means your reads on Creature must never change during a game. Which is bullshit.


Oh yeah, and RVS is illuminating, sure, but it doesn't make someone confscum in the first 100 or so posts.

[jjh927]

What do you want to move on to

[jjh927]

Okay, talk to me about Mutton.

Ftr this is what I'd like you to move on to, sesq

[jjh927]

Strongly opposed to no lynching. I will objectively determine whether or not I believe sesq could be town if and when she decides to talk to me

[jjh927]

Alban, talk to me about me.

Sesq, talk to me about Mutton.

[jjh927]

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[jjh927]

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[jjh927]

Nah.



You haven't posted much yet so I'd like to see whether this suddenly goes onto a topic, btw

[jjh927]

You know we've all claimed including your predecessor, right

[jjh927]

Sesq, elaborate a bit more on Mutton, then I'll start talking about Navy.

[jjh927]

Any examples? I haven't been getting those vibes.

[jjh927]

Yeah, I can hammer someone who thinks posting gimmicks are alignment indicative. Especially poetic posting gimmicks.


Would you let me case Navy first?

[jjh927]

I'm gonna keep this brief. There are two tenets to my suspicions of Navy rn, and that's quite incredible considering how few posts she's got.

But that's the first thing. She's replaced into a scum slot and she's treading way too carefully about how to go about not being picked up on by me and Titus. And I think that's visible.

The next, and far more important thing, is that doctor crumb. That's how she figured she'd get townread. By dumbtelling in an alignment indicative way. Because let's put that doctor crumb alongside two mutually exclusive states for Navy; she is either aware that her predecessor and everyone else in the game has claimed a role, or she isn't. Making that post when people believe she isn't aware of it nets her a pile of towncred, because the doctor claim is consistent. Making that post when she is aware of it is a scum ploy to reap that towncred. And I strongly suggest it is the second option.

[jjh927]

Oh boy, I think Navy just scumclaimed

[jjh927]

There were three claims overall, two claims plus your predecessor's. And if you knew about those claims then you didn't have a reason to crumb and call it content

[jjh927]

She saw the other claims. Therefore, when she made her crumb, she knew her slot had already claimed.

[jjh927]

jjh slot died because it threatened a cop on me and I was the only active scum and I didn't want the game to go into a stagnant fest and be fun.

I gambited Titus innocent so Titus didn't tunnel me as she is prone to do as again at that point only active scum.
Having RC and Gamma come back was insanely helpful.

GG Town and nice work scumbuddies.

I didn't even have a cop because I managed to replace into a VT slot in a game with no VTs.

My entire dayplay was focused around getting myself nightkilled.

[jjh927]

I was looking so hard for a reason to actually TR sesq because my gut was screaming that she was town but her posting was scummy and my brain sorted her as such. She never gave me one before she got hammered.

[jjh927]

Sorry, I should've payed more attention to this game.

YOU

[jjh927]

When it was night 1 I was considering quitting mafia because I was too busy and was quickly losing interess.

Don't worry though, I'm not quitting mafia.

I will say to you what I said to Almost50 after receiving my role PM.


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[jjh927]

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YOU CAN GET REPLACED FFS

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