In post 374, Realeo wrote:Given the consistency of Kasumeat @ fosing both me and S_S, I'm townleaning Kasumeat.
What makes you think it's not just scum pushing an agenda? (Not to mention that those reads might actually be real)
In post 376, WhyMafia wrote:Sorry for the lack of posting
@SS
You think that Lane has more content in his ISO? Yeah ..... no
Before
120 you had 8 posts, 3 of which (at least) were RVS and all of which were 1-3 lines if that. None of them showed much of an interest in interacting, and your posts are mostly stating reads. I don't consider stating reads much content because naming all your reads can be done in one short post.
Before this posts you had 20 posts, 1-4 lines in length, following mostly the same patter.
Before
211, lane had 10 posts, also mostly short. 2 RVS, but the rest all have direct interactions-- either questions or responses that are meant to be responded to (as opposed to static things that are simply said).
Now he has 25, also following the same pattern. But he feels like he's actually trying to generate responses from others and figure things out rather than just saying "I scumread X because of [simplistic one-line argument]."
You have similar numbers of posts of similar length. But in reading your ISOs I get a lot more out of his. Stating reads is secondary as long as you're using your vote well; but interacting with people and actually forming those reads is critical. That's what I read as content, and that's why I feel you don't have much (and what you do have is the type of posting that scum have little difficulty faking).
In post 391, Kasumeat wrote:This is a scum-claim right here. The protective and investigative roles we have in this game are EXTREMELY weak and suggesting that we intentionally no-lynch so that we can rely on them instead is extremely fucking scummy. If we have a Cop, he cannot clear town, he can only catch scum, and even that, he can only catch 50% of scum! Without exaggeration that's not even 1/4 as useful as a normal Cop. Very similar story for Tracker, and of course their Werewolf equivalents. And the protective roles are half as useful as well. This is one of the most anti-town suggestions I've ever seen in my life.
You're aware that scum can also kill each other, right?
Whenever I've been scum in multiball (or SK) I've always attempted to do this, and the one time I was town in multiball I relied on it (going so far as to tell the scum who to kill, which they did and the person flipped other scum
although that game was 3:2:2 so relying on crosskills was necessary).
Of the three that Raya mentioned I think I'd prefer oldwino. Although Ari's recent content has not been that impressive he has a few posts that I think are towny, particularly the ones about him forgetting it's multiball (which I think is real coming from him). Although on rereading his ISO I'm not sure exactly where my townread on PM came from (I think it was his reaction to Realeo's L-3 post? But that doesn't look towny anymore). But I'd have to see what the replacement does there.
In post 401, Raya36 wrote:As I said, I get where you're coming from but I don't really agree. I can see the sort of formulaic (is this even a word?) writing style although I don't necessarily see that as scummy but more of a writing style. I have seen town play that way many times before and I even play that way as town on occasion. Also, even if I may not always agree with them I do find their reads to be genuine. It doesn't come across as fake for me as it does for you.
I just had a
game end where the person posting like that (Alchemist) was scum-- he had a solid ISO and mostly reasonable points but I couldn't shake the feeling that his interactions were just made to appear like scumhunting and that he wasn't really interacting genuinely, which was one of the reasons I lynched him. I won't disagree that town can play like that, but it's not a strong way to play as town (whereas it's a moderately good way to play as scum).
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