ok. let me try to make myself look busy while doing absolutely nothing myself. here goes
In post 28, Kantrip wrote:Hey everyone!
Don't mind me, just gonna plop myself down on the comfiest looking wagon.
VOTE: Realeo
lets not read and just push. after all voting an existing wagon serves to hide me in the crowd rather than actually standing out and saying something different
In post 32, Kantrip wrote: In post 31, Realeo wrote:Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.
Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.
Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3
Is that the thing?
I'll unvote you if you tell me who I should put my vote on instead.
tell me where to switch to. im the best sheep youll ever have.
In post 65, Kantrip wrote: In post 34, Realeo wrote: In post 32, Kantrip wrote: In post 31, Realeo wrote:Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.
Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.
Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3
Is that the thing?
I'll unvote you if you tell me who I should put my vote on instead.
Hah! I know someone can't refuse to react to my statement. Now we can exit RVS.
If you say
I'll unvote you if you tell me
, are you saying
I'm actually scumreading you, Realeo. The only way I'm not voting you is if someone is scummier
?
I'm tempted to classify that statement as continuation of RVS, but
is that the thing?
implies you are actually serious with your statement.
My vote on you is RVS, I am not scumreading you.
However, I was serious when I said I'd vote someone else if you told me who. I thought that would get some reactions from people and help exit RVS.
The offer still stands, by the way. I'm leaning towards either PMysterious or Draynth, what do you think?
In post 54, PMysterious wrote:
I did, but that's what stood out to me. Trying to get out of the RV phase is fine and dandy (as we need to eventually), but he's at L-3 at the Random Vote phase, and he seems all defensive about it. It's a little weird to me.
What if he was faking being defensive to get reactions? I feel like starting a statement with "I'm going to say something to help get us out of RVS" makes his intent pretty clear. You think he is scum getting defensive from fear of being lynched and getting out of RVS is just his excuse?
no comment. actually i do have some comments but that would defy the purpose of this post which is
look busy but say nothing
In post 81, Kantrip wrote: In post 67, Draynth wrote:
That and grenouille are two of my favourite words to say
In post 65, Kantrip wrote: In post 34, Realeo wrote: In post 32, Kantrip wrote: In post 31, Realeo wrote:Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.
Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.
Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3
Is that the thing?
I'll unvote you if you tell me who I should put my vote on instead.
Hah! I know someone can't refuse to react to my statement. Now we can exit RVS.
If you say
I'll unvote you if you tell me
, are you saying
I'm actually scumreading you, Realeo. The only way I'm not voting you is if someone is scummier
?
I'm tempted to classify that statement as continuation of RVS, but
is that the thing?
implies you are actually serious with your statement.
My vote on you is RVS, I am not scumreading you.
However, I was serious when I said I'd vote someone else if you told me who. I thought that would get some reactions from people and help exit RVS.
The offer still stands, by the way. I'm leaning towards either PMysterious or Draynth, what do you think?
You gonna give reasons for either of these or are you happy enough to just try skate by?
I am not going to give reasons at this time but I'm certainly not happy to just skate by.
In post 69, Draynth wrote:
Oh I thought that was a reference to something else entirely haha
What did you think it was a reference to?
In post 70, Realeo wrote:Oh. Gamma already replaced out? Dave replaced in.
Ok, me take the offer.
VOTE: Pymestrious
I like it.
VOTE: PMysterious
I believe that's L-3. Can everyone on this wagon so far confirm that their vote isn't RVS?
im not gonna give reason for quoting a wall and saying nothing either. i just want my posts to look big so people will skip them and town read me for them
In post 97, Kantrip wrote:I'm not trying to dodge your question Rory I was just hoping Draynth would respond first.
PMysterious, have you considered the possibility that Realeo was faking his defensiveness to get reactions out of people? Also if you don't mind me asking, how many games have you played before? I mean no offense I just want to gauge your stances off of experience.
Draynth, what is your stance on my reply to you? Are you scumreading me?
everything i do is 100% genuine and everything everyone else does is fake
In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Okay cool. To answer your question Rory, nothing is wrong with Draynth besides a surface level cut and dry approach to scumhunting. Not interested in voting him though. He voted me in RVS for my RVS vote when I said I was just trying to plop myself on the comfiest wagon for it looking like I was coasting. I wanted to see how he would react to me saying I was interested in voting him without providing any context and his behaviour now lines up with what I expected in that he's not considering deeper intent. Leaning town.
PMysterious is a similar case and my opinion hinges a bit on his experience. It's weird to me that he seems to think scum is jumping on Realeos wagon while also thinking Realeos reaction was scummy and I'm not sure he is entirely comprehending the reaction test angle. Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
Realeo
- any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel? And could you answer his/Raya's questions please?
Raya
- I voted PMysterious because I told Realeo I'd vote for someone if he told me who and I'm a man of my word.
As for why I gave the options I did, it was because both slots were similar in that they were making surface level scumreads and I wanted to pressure one of them to read them while also getting a read on Realeo based on who he chose and why.
now let me say something silly and i bet these numbheads will let it slip. ftr im still saying lots of words which boil down to banter rather than scum hunting
note 4 l8r: where are the questions kantrip has been asking so far in order to move the game forward? or is him asking if someone considered the possibility of someone else faking their reaction count towards said questions that are meant to move the game forward?
In post 107, Kantrip wrote: In post 106, Aristophanes wrote: In post 105, Realeo wrote: In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
I endorse this product.
Realeo - any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel?
There is something called from EpicMafia called fillering. It's a condition where scum are unable to fake scumhunting so he talk something else. Methink that is what happening.
Nah, I just don't post as scum. As it is I'm busy atm (Note my V/LA).
I'm here, but it's early so what would you actually like me to address?
This is WIFOM. I don't care to go off of your self-meta.
Do you have any scumreads at the moment?
the game is moving slower than a dead turtle and yet he wants someone else to have reads. ftr it wasnt until yesterday when i started forming some reads and yet nothing solid enough so far
In post 108, Kantrip wrote:davesaz wrote:Usually I'm complaining about posting going too fast, but in this case it's going too slow.
VOTE: PMysterious
Reasoning for this vote?
In post 103, lane0168 wrote: In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Okay cool. To answer your question Rory, nothing is wrong with Draynth besides a surface level cut and dry approach to scumhunting. Not interested in voting him though. He voted me in RVS for my RVS vote when I said I was just trying to plop myself on the comfiest wagon for it looking like I was coasting. I wanted to see how he would react to me saying I was interested in voting him without providing any context and his behaviour now lines up with what I expected in that he's not considering deeper intent. Leaning town.
PMysterious is a similar case and my opinion hinges a bit on his experience. It's weird to me that he seems to think scum is jumping on Realeos wagon while also thinking Realeos reaction was scummy and I'm not sure he is entirely comprehending the reaction test angle. Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
Realeo
- any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel? And could you answer his/Raya's questions please?
Raya
- I voted PMysterious because I told Realeo I'd vote for someone if he told me who and I'm a man of my word.
As for why I gave the options I did, it was because both slots were similar in that they were making surface level scumreads and I wanted to pressure one of them to read them while also getting a read on Realeo based on who he chose and why.
I. Understand the misunderstanding from pm. But how do you explain the lack of questioning the wagon? And by that I mean any pressure on the people of the wagon?
You mean from PM's end? I completely agree, and again it hinges on his answer to my question about his experience. I could see his current stance being a townie who is genuinely confused and thinks that both possibilities exist without really knowing how to act on it, which is what I'm kind of leaning towards at the moment. However, I agree with you that if he thinks scum is on the wagon he should be questioning or pressuring those people. I dunno, it could go either way but it reads to me more like he's really unsure of his stances rather than fabricating them.
?
r u wondering why i put a question mark? r u curious to know the reason? r u getting excited? would you be happy if I told you?
it looks like he did as questions. if it ends with a question mark then it must be a question. right?
well thats exactly why i put so many question marks here. see? im asking lots of questions. am i not?
In post 124, Kantrip wrote: In post 110, WhyMafia wrote: In post 109, oldwino wrote:WhyMafia because of so few posts and those were empty. He voted Gamma and unvoted when questioned, voted Ari for no reason and questioned Judge's vote on Dave when I think Judge's vote made sense (getting Dave to participate).
When did I vote Ari? I was never questioned on my vote on Gamma? It was a joke vote/RVS banter. There is no point to vote on someone if they're inactive. And 1 vote on someone to pressure someone to post hardly ever works. If they go through D1 without posting hardly any stances, that's a cause for concern.
In post 109, oldwino wrote:Judge - Complained game is moving too slowly, voted Dave to try to move things along which I was thinking of doing. Scum would let us wallow in RVS as long as possible.
I have this as scum. That vote literally does nothing. And complaints are just complaints. Back it up with action, his vote on Dave barely does that.
I agree that no one should get town cred for complaining about inactivity since it's very easy for anyone to do that and can be considered filler. However, I don't think the vote does literally nothing. What are your scumreads looking like right now? Do you think Judge is scum for complaining about activity and not doing much to fix it?
In post 113, Rory wrote: In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Okay cool. To answer your question Rory, nothing is wrong with Draynth besides a surface level cut and dry approach to scumhunting. Not interested in voting him though. He voted me in RVS for my RVS vote when I said I was just trying to plop myself on the comfiest wagon for it looking like I was coasting. I wanted to see how he would react to me saying I was interested in voting him without providing any context and his behaviour now lines up with what I expected in that he's not considering deeper intent. Leaning town.
PMysterious is a similar case and my opinion hinges a bit on his experience. It's weird to me that he seems to think scum is jumping on Realeos wagon while also thinking Realeos reaction was scummy and I'm not sure he is entirely comprehending the reaction test angle. Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
Realeo
- any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel? And could you answer his/Raya's questions please?
Raya
- I voted PMysterious because I told Realeo I'd vote for someone if he told me who and I'm a man of my word.
As for why I gave the options I did, it was because both slots were similar in that they were making surface level scumreads and I wanted to pressure one of them to read them while also getting a read on Realeo based on who he chose and why.
Why did you pick Draynth to test his reaction here? Seems a little random to me.
I got the impression from his dislike of me not explaining myself that I would be able to get a read on him if I lumped him in there without reasoning and looked at his reaction/opinion of me afterwards. I did just that while also getting some insight on Realeo. Two birds, one stone.
In post 117, davesaz wrote: In post 108, Kantrip wrote:davesaz wrote:Usually I'm complaining about posting going too fast, but in this case it's going too slow.
VOTE: PMysterious
Reasoning for this vote?
See who questions it.
See if it generates any commentary other than people questioning it.
I see. I take it you don't have any scum reads at this time?
i agree no one should be town read for anything they say or do but it goes without saying that im the towniest thing since since the word town was installed into english language
In post 125, Kantrip wrote:I disagree with the premise of oldwino's reads list. It's focused too much on activity and not enough on intent. This isn't indicative of his alignment, though.
In post 119, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:whymafia 4 realz
i dont see u doin anything productive
ur just showing off and yabbing to appear active and posting
tell me if u have said anything that is meaningful so far
I will say that voting a slot that just replaced in because they "need to post more" is not exactly helping to progress the game. I'm not saying WhyMafia has necessarily done more, but I don't think that was his point either. What's your opinion of Realeo so far?
I will say that voting a slot that just replaced in because they "need to post more" is not exactly helping to progress the game but jumping on the largest wagon and then asking the one you voted whom to move to does
that makes perfect sense
In post 127, Kantrip wrote:Realeo seems like a cool guy so I'm going to mindlessly sheep him again.
VOTE: Aristophanes
and to prove it um sheeping again. baaaa. thats what i call progressing the game indeed
In post 129, Kantrip wrote: In post 128, PMysterious wrote:Looking back, maybe I was a bit overreactive, but I remember doing stuff very similar to what Realeo did when it came to pressure (even if it was RV), and everytime I ended up doing that, it ended up coming off as scummy, which is where most of my motive for questioning came from. Times have likely changed since then, and my timing was off, but I hope my motivation was made clear. I do not wish for anymore shenanigans based on this topic, and would much rather look into possible scum (other than Realeo).
Where are you looking at the moment?
what are u listening to right now?
i have reads but im better than u so you must comply to my divine demands. that or i actually dont but want to see how others are reading the game so that i can follow the flow
In post 153, Kantrip wrote: In post 151, Kasumeat wrote:OK, caught up. I'm going out shortly, but some quick thoughts and questions:
I like the Ari wagon. Pretty much no content in his posts, and doesn't seem to be looking to accomplish anything. Has anybody played with him before? Is he normally this low-content?
I agree with my predesessor, Katnip pinged me really hard at first. I hate that "reaction test" shit. It's a tool that scum can use to justify scummy posting. However, a few things give me pause: I really like his later posts, and they appear to show genuine scumhunting. Although as has been pointed out, this is multiball. They also seem astute enough that it makes me believe that the "reaction test" could be legit and not just him covering his tracks. On the other hand, I also don't like, his interaction with Whymafia and Dredd, as mentioned below. I do like his reaction to Oldwino's reads and agree 100%. Still leaning scum, but less so than when I went back to re-read to compose this. @Katnip, your account is ~2 weeks old, but do you have prior Mafia experience?
My strongest SR is Whymafia. I've played with him before and I townread him very quickly (when he was town) but it's the opposite here. I really, really don't like his push on Dredd. It just seems like scum stretching to find something to push someone for. Does anybody here really think that "what do you possibly hope to accomplish with a vote???" is a legit thing from a townie? Maybe I'm biased because I tend to play more on shorter-deadline sites, but isn't voting people to get them to post totally standard here too?
VOTE: Whymafia
I agree that Rory is looking town here.
In post 115, WhyMafia wrote: In post 112, Rory wrote: In post 105, Realeo wrote: In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
I endorse this product.
Realeo - any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel?
There is something called from EpicMafia called fillering. It's a condition where scum are unable to fake scumhunting so he talk something else. Methink that is what happening.
actually scum can scumhunt because it's multiball.
the thing you pointed out with Realo makes me want to give him a fair amount of town cred.
@Whymafia, I don't understand what you mean here. Could you clarify? You want to give Realo towncred here? Why?
I have mafia experience from another site, yes. I'm definitely used to a meta with a lot of egos and nuanced gameplay where everyone tries to meta-read each other and go to extreme lengths to reaction test for reads. It's kind of refreshing to come to a new community with a fresh slate of sorts.
Anyways, I respect your hesitance to trust someone claiming a reaction test retroactively. I will say that my refusal to explain myself until I got what I wanted out of it should indicate that it was at least a pre-planned maneuver as opposed to me just claiming it was a reaction test to cover myself. Doesn't mean it warrants a town read because, as has been mentioned, it's a multiball set-up, but I think it's fair to say I was legitimately reaction testing and not just covering my tracks by saying that.
Either way, Kasumeat is reinforcing my read on his slot. I would say I'm the most comfortable with him, Realeo, and Rory at this point. PMysterious is a slight town read, and although I disagree with his reads list I have a slight town on oldwino for putting himself in the spotlight by posting a full reads list in the first place. I feel like he's informing his opinions a bit from his own experience, so I get the impression that his scum game may line up with the things that he's looking for when scumreading other people. While he could be doing this intentionally as a bait, I feel like the surface-level nature of his reads makes this unlikely.
Judge and WhyMafia are mixed bags for me. I find myself agreeing with their stances when they give them, but they both give me this impression of not really caring too much about finding scum so much as having reasonable opinions. I'll go into more detail on this in a moment.
Ari, however, is the most deserving of a vote at this time in my opinion. Twice now he has come into the thread saying passive aggressive things to people pressuring him while actively avoiding questions aimed at him and not doing anything proactive. I understand being V/LA, but to come in the thread saying he's here and can answer questions just to ignore them and then come in later and laughing at the fact that there's a wagon on him? Don't like. I get the feeling he's not a player who is comfortable playing scum and is trying to discredit pressure on him by making out like it has no basis and the people voting him are inherently untrustworthy. Rather than ask me if I have any of my own opinions or laugh at people voting him, I'd really like to see where his head is at and some content that's not fluff.
now that is how u scum hunt. u get the feeling on how someone feels having rolled a certain alignment when u dont even know them. u criticize everyones play style and what not and hope to be town read for it
but dont forget the most important element: be sure to quote whole posts including multi quotes withing multi quotes so nobody dares read that shit and just assume there is some substance in it
In post 157, Kantrip wrote:Judge ISO
In post 39, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:this game is going too fast for me to follow
almost a post an hour is way too much is it not?
by this rate we should be out of rvs in day 3 or 4
This doesn't serve to help the problem he's complaining about and nothing he has done before this point progresses the game either. It bothers me a bit because he could try to ask questions or pressure someone to get out of RVS instead of letting it take until "day 3 or 4" as he says.
I'm okay with this vote on an inactive only because it's consistent with his behaviour so far. It seems he wants everyone to post stuff and that he's a less proactive player when it comes to scumhunting. Personally I'm against this and I'm always one to play with whomever is around and willing to play and let the mod worry about people who aren't posting. That being said, there's nothing inherently bad with voting an inactive if you don't have a better lead. Important to note that Judge is the one who instigates the aggressive interaction between himself and WhyMafia with this post.
In post 111, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote: In post 110, WhyMafia wrote:I have this as scum. That vote literally does nothing. And complaints are just complaints. Back it up with action, his vote on Dave barely does that.
so what would ur majesty consider action if not a vote? enlighten me with ur wisdom
Okay so off the bat I agree with WhyMafia's sentiment here. Complaining about the state of the game's activity does nothing to solve the problem, and voting for an inactive because they "need to post more" is basically a throw-away vote. First of all because you're telling them outright that you're not scumreading them and your vote is a glorified prod. On top of that, your vote is wasted on someone who isn't posted and nobody is getting any meaningful information.
What bothers me about this is Judge's defensiveness. I think it's pretty clear that WhyMafia isn't saying a vote isn't action. He's saying that a vote on an inactive is useless. Rather than address this, Judge pretends as if WhyMafia is saying that a vote
in general
is not action. Not only is this obviously false, but it also serves to deflect back at WhyMafia for not being proactive rather than address his issue with an inactive vote.
The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that Judge complained about inactivity before voting an inactive replacement. I think there's an off-chance that he's town that doesn't like making reads without having a full picture and he just responds badly to people who try to call him out for that approach. That being said, I still think Judge getting so defensive after one call-out from WhyMafia raises a red flag for me.
In post 118, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote: In post 116, WhyMafia wrote: In post 111, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote: In post 110, WhyMafia wrote:I have this as scum. That vote literally does nothing. And complaints are just complaints. Back it up with action, his vote on Dave barely does that.
so what would ur majesty consider action if not a vote? enlighten me with ur wisdom
Call him out for it once he posts again. No need to take such an aggressive tone, I tend to lose interest in the game when people are unnecessarily aggressive.
and u call my response aggressive? sheesh i must've typed something in invisible ink
Again I find myself agreeing with what WhyMafia is saying. Still don't like that Judge is blinded by the fact that he's being criticized and ignores the actual point WhyMafia is trying to make. I can see him being town-aligned with an ego and being upset that someone else who isn't contributing is trying to criticize him, but I still think he comes out of this interaction looking worse.
In post 119, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:whymafia 4 realz
i dont see u doin anything productive
ur just showing off and yabbing to appear active and posting
tell me if u have said anything that is meaningful so far
At the same time, this isn't untrue either. I also think that WhyMafia coming in to criticize oldwino's reads list and Judge's choice of action with his vote is unproductive. Judge comes off too defensive when making this point and I don't like that he ignores the actual points WhyMafia brought up, but he's not wrong.
I also think Realeo has been probably the most productive player in progressing the game so far, so I like this response. However, no bearing on alignment from this. Just worth noting that it's a stance I agree with from him.
WhyMafia ISO
In post 53, WhyMafia wrote: In post 43, PMysterious wrote:
Hmm, this seems a little defensive if you ask me. Being at L -3 is not a big issue during the RV phase, so why are you panicking so much about it?
VOTE: PM
Did you not see the preceding message
This implies that WhyMafia understands Realeo's intent as getting out of RVS and that he was not actually panicking about being lynched. He accompanies this with a pressure vote on PMysterious for not recognizing this. At this phase in the game I respect this choice of action.
Once again I agree with WhyMafia here. I personally don't think a vote on an inactive accomplishes much, but I already touched on that in my Judge ISO.
My issue with this, however, is that this question is basically rhetorical. There's no answer that Judge can give to satisfy WhyMafia here. He's basically giving Judge a loaded question where no matter what Judge says he can disagree and call Judge scummy. There's no reason to ask "what does this vote accomplish" rather than just explain that you think it accomplishes nothing. WhyMafia strikes me as astute enough to understand why someone would vote an inactive and what it might do. So it's a mixed bag for me since I agree with WhyMafia but he's not doing anything helpful about it.
In post 110, WhyMafia wrote: In post 109, oldwino wrote:WhyMafia because of so few posts and those were empty. He voted Gamma and unvoted when questioned, voted Ari for no reason and questioned Judge's vote on Dave when I think Judge's vote made sense (getting Dave to participate).
When did I vote Ari? I was never questioned on my vote on Gamma? It was a joke vote/RVS banter. There is no point to vote on someone if they're inactive. And 1 vote on someone to pressure someone to post hardly ever works. If they go through D1 without posting hardly any stances, that's a cause for concern.
In post 109, oldwino wrote:Judge - Complained game is moving too slowly, voted Dave to try to move things along which I was thinking of doing. Scum would let us wallow in RVS as long as possible.
I have this as scum. That vote literally does nothing. And complaints are just complaints. Back it up with action, his vote on Dave barely does that.
See here WhyMafia comes right out with the fact that he thinks Judge's inactive vote is scummy. That's fine with me, but what I don't understand is why he didn't say that initially and waited for someone to assign a town read to Judge and then disagree with it. Furthermore, his vote is still on PMysterious from RVS when PM didn't recognize the intent of Realeo's post. I feel like at this point WhyMafia should be voting for Judge but he refrains even though he thinks Judge's inactive vote is scummy.
Why Mafia, any reason you kept your vote on PMysterious at this point?
In post 115, WhyMafia wrote: In post 112, Rory wrote: In post 105, Realeo wrote: In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
I endorse this product.
Realeo - any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel?
There is something called from EpicMafia called fillering. It's a condition where scum are unable to fake scumhunting so he talk something else. Methink that is what happening.
actually scum can scumhunt because it's multiball.
the thing you pointed out with Realo makes me want to give him a fair amount of town cred.
I do like him giving town cred to Realeo for not considering scum being able to scumhunt due to multiball. I also see that as a townslip so I agree with WhyMafia here.
In post 120, WhyMafia wrote: In post 119, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:whymafia 4 realz
i dont see u doin anything productive
ur just showing off and yabbing to appear active and posting
tell me if u have said anything that is meaningful so far
I'll say stuff when I feel as if I have something to input. Otherwise it's just a waste of time. Each of my posts are things that I believe in, but they aren't much, and I'll be the first to admit that. I'm trying to improve my D1 play, so stick with me
I don't like accepting self-meta, but I will say that WhyMafia not having a strong Day 1 would give an explanation for some of the problems I'm having so far. It definitely reads to me like he's hanging back and only posting when he has something he wants to disagree with or a strong opinion he wants to voice.
In post 123, WhyMafia wrote: In post 121, Realeo wrote:oldwino, most of your scumread reasoning are "post feels empty."
What do you mean with post feels empty? I think my post is the fullest. You can't have people start talking about ppmysterious if I don't start that. I advance the game. Townread me.
And how lane is forced? I think he's the one who progresses the game. He is the one who points out the contradiction of ppmysterious.
And how does "me not noticing PP replaces Gamma" is scumread?
Woah. Woah. Realeo. You seems so defensive.
Because the readlist doesn't makes senses.
If Aristo is a scumlean, I'm fine.
But if Aristo is null, I don't understand why PP is a scum but Aristo is a null.
To add that, I don't understand why every scumlean is a scum but Aristo is a null.
Hey .. this makes sense. I agree with what you're bringing up
Out of curiosity how would you sort Aristo yourself?
WhyMafia did you just miss where Realeo already stated his dislike of Ari or is this post you asking for more detail?
Interested to see Ari's response to this and subsequently what WhyMafia has to say about it. I have thoughts about it but I want to let it play out.
In post 152, WhyMafia wrote: In post 151, Kasumeat wrote:OK, caught up. I'm going out shortly, but some quick thoughts and questions:
I like the Ari wagon. Pretty much no content in his posts, and doesn't seem to be looking to accomplish anything. Has anybody played with him before? Is he normally this low-content?
I agree with my predesessor, Katnip pinged me really hard at first. I hate that "reaction test" shit. It's a tool that scum can use to justify scummy posting. However, a few things give me pause: I really like his later posts, and they appear to show genuine scumhunting. Although as has been pointed out, this is multiball. They also seem astute enough that it makes me believe that the "reaction test" could be legit and not just him covering his tracks. On the other hand, I also don't like, his interaction with Whymafia and Dredd, as mentioned below. I do like his reaction to Oldwino's reads and agree 100%. Still leaning scum, but less so than when I went back to re-read to compose this. @Katnip, your account is ~2 weeks old, but do you have prior Mafia experience?
My strongest SR is Whymafia. I've played with him before and I townread him very quickly (when he was town) but it's the opposite here. I really, really don't like his push on Dredd. It just seems like scum stretching to find something to push someone for. Does anybody here really think that "what do you possibly hope to accomplish with a vote???" is a legit thing from a townie? Maybe I'm biased because I tend to play more on shorter-deadline sites, but isn't voting people to get them to post totally standard here too?
VOTE: Whymafia
I agree that Rory is looking town here.
In post 115, WhyMafia wrote: In post 112, Rory wrote: In post 105, Realeo wrote: In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
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Realeo - any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel?
There is something called from EpicMafia called fillering. It's a condition where scum are unable to fake scumhunting so he talk something else. Methink that is what happening.
actually scum can scumhunt because it's multiball.
the thing you pointed out with Realo makes me want to give him a fair amount of town cred.
@Whymafia, I don't understand what you mean here. Could you clarify? You want to give Realo towncred here? Why?
If he was scum, he would know it's multiball
Of course it's not a completely good method, but I feel like a townie would make this mistake
Additionally, you're voting me for a theory reason? That seems stupid lol. That seems to be reaching. It is of my opinion that just voting someone does nothing to get them to post, it just seems towny. I'm not going to vote someone for it, but it pings me, and supports a scum read if more evidence/gut comes into play
I find myself basically agreeing with this post. I like that he pushes the Realeo townslip and he gives an explanation for why he doesn't vote for Judge right off the bat. I still want to see why he thinks his vote was better staying on PM than pressuring Judge but this explanation at least makes his behaviour consistent. Similar to Judge, I find myself disagreeing with some of WhyMafia's methods but they are at least consistent.
I'm curious to see other people's thoughts on these two players and their interactions. I definitely can't see them being on the same scum team, but past that I think any combination of alignment is possible and I'll need to see more to have a more solid opinion. For now I'll say they're both null with points in their favour and against them.
bravo. u learn fast
btw way i will only respond to ur comment on my own iso with 2 words: fence+sitting
u quoted the whole fucking thing only to say u dont know what to make of it? really?
In post 158, Kantrip wrote:TL;DR - Yes that's a huge wall to basically say nothing. All I'm getting at is those two slots confuse me and there are some things I find scummy but it could just be town play that I disagree with since there isn't actually a contradiction anywhere.
Anyone I haven't mentioned yet has basically left no impression on me so far and needs to post more.
damn right it says nothing but who cares? just keep quoting stuff and u will look good enough and ppl will leave u alone
In post 161, Kantrip wrote:I think my biggest issue with Judge is with WhyMafia asking him what his vote on an inactive achieves, and him getting defensive and deflecting. I mean maybe it's a defensive townie move but what bothers me is him purposely misrepresenting the question. It's obvious WhyMafia was asking what voting an inactive achieves, and Judge twisted it to what a vote
in general
achieves.
Also you answered my question, was gonna ask if you think Realeo could be scum. I do see where you're coming from about the "town slip," although I feel like experienced scum would also realize that since there's another team something like filler content wouldn't be necessarily scummy.
i think my biggest issue with kantrip is he is faking his activity. theres nothing remotely genuine or innovative in his posts. he is looking for just about anything to justify a scum read on a couple of slots and thats all. now add the wall quoting and u get someone who is unlikely to ever get checked or lynched and probably never getting nkd early too
In post 162, Kantrip wrote:Also Ari already has multiple questions aimed at him and plenty of content he could comment on and chooses to come in and "lol at his wagon." I think a snarky response is warranted and won't knock Realeo for it.
plenty of content indeed. guess what? i have just provided the most content ever to be presented in a mafia game. this post should be adopted by mafia scholars and gurus all around the globe and harvard should be contacting me in the next 24 hours to teach their mafia 101 class and probably the intermediate and advanced classes too
In post 172, Kantrip wrote: In post 170, PMysterious wrote:
There are some good names on this list, with Kantrip being one of those who I really suspect. Sheeping just because you "trust" someone, while getting Realeo's hopes up, it seems rather mindless instead of rather making his/her own opinions.
So, Kantrip, while I'm at it, I have a quick question, since I brought this up.
Ignoring Realeo's posts, who do you think is Mafia?
I think Ari is mafia.
I guess it didn't come across very well that I was joking about voting Ari just to sheep Realeo. I laid out my reasons I think Ari is scum in another post. I also think WhyMafia and Judge have raised some flags but I could also see them being town and I need to see more to feel more confident about it.
here let me give u a helping hand. im voting u at the end of this post so u can stop fence-sitting any time now. it must hurt to have been in ur situation for that long
In post 173, Kantrip wrote:Ari can you please answer questions aimed at you? Third time I've asked.
ok. let me provide u with one question and for the first time too. how do u feel about me right now?
actually let me toss in a 2nd question: why dont u share ur complete read list with the class?
In post 174, Kantrip wrote:And like, expand on your scum reads. Right now it just looks like OMGUS and defensiveness.
3rd question: put ur action where ur mouth is and expand on the scum reads from ur answer to question #2
In post 178, Kantrip wrote:
Town. Already had town vibes from Draynth and he reinforced them.
yes. the best way to scum hunt is to have a gut feeling, get vibes and assume how others feel and what goes into their minds. we got that. anything else u want to add?
VOTE: Kantrip
hint: stop wall quoting. if you need to respond to one specific phrase then quote it. if u want to respond to the whole post then link it. if u dont know how then ask. thank u