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While this is well-intentioned, we have a 100% lynch in Raya so you should move your vote over. We can use his flip to confirm scr as scum.
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I mean that you should be voting for Raya. Right now.In post 30, wavemode wrote:
What do you meanIn post 23, kunkstar7 wrote:While this is well-intentioned, we have a 100% lynch in Raya so you should move your vote over. We can use his flip to confirm scr as scum.
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Alright, besides the fact that apparently one word posts are a thing, lets see what we can do.
@wavemode: Want to elaborate on that vote a bit...at all even? Just voting with no context doesn't provide anything to convince anyone else, so I don't know how the hell you expect to get someone lynched if you honestly believe in your vote.
I think Raya handled the random stuff in good faith, not being fazed at all (despite the debacle of "is it pressure or is it not" that went on). Disregarding me completely seems pretty town to me, the disregard comes off as a townie who doesn't care about personal survival and rather finding the content that should be discussed instead.
Tywin is another thing, if he noticed that the idea was to run up pressure then why call out kop on it rather than help out? Seems disingenuous to me. I don't think there's any wrong intent in kop there since he obviously mistook my post initially, so very misplaced vote there by Tywin.Vote: Tywinfor the insincerity.
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This is a crap post and you should feel bad for making it. Literally zero context. We already went over this. To top it off, it tells me nothing about your alignment because it's just as likely it's lazy town. Try again.
Ok, so same feeling I had on this, reasonable enough.
How was guyy's posturing awkward? Considering his ISO is just an RVS vote and the subsequent unvote+agreeing with me, lets just narrow it down to his last post. Do you have an issue with guyy's Post #58, and if so what's the issue?In post 69, Flubbernugget wrote:Guyy's awkward posturing through rvs should be self evident
I can't tell what the slip is either, so that should use some explanation, but the blind sheep is bad. Same as sesq though, seems to be null identifier because its also just bad town play as well.In post 72, Srceenplay wrote:I'll sheep. I don't get what the slip is but what ever.
@CommKnight: Please point out the slip from guyy and what it means?
This is too easy of a place to put a vote, just feels like a place for scum to park their vote without really making waves. I don't like this move.In post 67, SmoothBlue wrote:Changing my vote from RVS to serious until he shows some initiative to scumhunting rather than posting mindlessly.
I need at least 3 daykills at this point god.
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You realize what game you are playing right? "triggered" doesn't excuse anything. Try again.
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I don't think it reflects on guyy too much since it's such an easy place to put a vote, but I agree that it likely has scum on it. I'm liking the srceenplay wagon more given the following:In post 100, Kop wrote:This guyy wagon has built up far too quickly for my liking. It almost town confirms him to me in the manner how quickly it's getting to L-2.
This right here is another scummy response, no effort to scumhunt, just a pure emotional reaction to vote on himself.In post 101, Srceenplay wrote:So basically I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. Sounds to me like I'm the safe vote.
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I really don't buy into this "reaction test" because your original post actually reads as a reply to Flubbernugget's #69. Now I even more so want to see what you get out your "reaction test" and your analysis of the wagon building, otherwise you're just saying things. You say your job scumhunting got easier, well let's see some scumhunting then.In post 121, CommKnight wrote:It was a reaction test,
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There's no need for setup talk today. There is no gain for any role to discuss anything, furthermore there's nothing to discuss. Let the roles do what they need to do, this setup has been played enough times for a power role to go and look for examples of how to play their role, we don't need to tell them anything. Anyone wasting time on setup on D1 is just wasting words when they could focus on actual scumhunting.
Comm, I still see absolutely NO explanation for your slip "test". The deduction that there is at least one scum who avoided both wagons holds no water because there is no way to prove it. It's not even something you could consider as good scumplay, the idea of one person avoiding all wagons.
All in all, I think you're just covering for the heat you pulled when called out on the slip.
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You know what? I think I want a Commknight lynch over a srceenplay one. I'm analysing Mulch's reads (later on in this post) and his points on srceenplay made me relook at srceenplay.
I maintain my position that the blind sheep is a null identifier. #101 is still too emotional of a reaction and he doesn't provide any counter points, so just looks like deflection.
Why srceenplay is concerned with appearances (specifically the location of the vote) is not really a town position, but meta could prove me misled here. I will say that so far srceenplay has been consistent with his vote, as from the vote in #138 onward in his iso has specifically focused on that vote, even if he is following up quite weakly, its stillIn post 129, Srceenplay wrote:Plus I don't like it when there a people who are not voting. I would hate to be one of them.somethingI guess.
This bothers me because it's consistent with his play so far, and coupled with the above point about his vote makes sense. I just wish we could get more out of him rather than "gut" because without that "more" its hard to pin someone down on a read and hold them to consistency.In post 168, Srceenplay wrote:I'm a gut read player.
I reread and gave my gut reads. I'm horrible at giving reasons for them. Something I'm try to work on.
My Commknight read hinges wholely on his followup to being pressed on the "slip" comment. (which I think I figured out, #35 shows he meant that he thought guyy's confusion was a slip. If that was it why the hell do you not just own it??) Commknight backpedals into "reaction" territory, claiming to have information based on the reaction, but we get nothing. Skips straight to trying to discuss setup, which is - guess this - not player related, so continuing the dodge here. Then the awful wagon analysis where he sets up a 50/50,but then proceeds to not even commit to it himself.
I think I've just seen enough games with PRs to come to the personal conclusion that Day 1 setup talk never pans out. People are going to do what they want based on their personal reads for N1. After N1 we actually have something to go off of. This is my PERSONAL experience, not a hill I'm going to die on, since I can see your side of the argument, even if I think it has a bit of holes on that side.In post 160, guyy wrote:nobody is saying it's the ONLY thing we can talk about. so i don't understand trying to shut down that line of thinking
So this post's wording threw me for a bit, but I get what you intended now so I'm gonna focus on this last bit that bugs me. If everyone else rejects then wouldn't it follow that its a town consensus that what he is saying is improper? It doesn't make sense to have a town read if the consensus of what he is saying is inherently scummy.In post 182, guyy wrote:what ultimately pushes him closer into town territory for me is how much everyone else rejects what he says
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Sesq: Don't understand this one, doesn't clarify my own opinion on sesq either.
srceenplay: see first part of post.
wavemode: Confusing wording, but what I get out of this is that Mulch agrees with #55 from wavemode. This means he find Tywin reachy, which is consistent with his Tywin read, so fine.
Flubbernugget: I agree with the general read Mulch got here, and flubber hasn't given much else.
kop: Seems a bit weird to me that Mulch calls out kop on the wagon analysis, but no mention at all in the Commknight read.
Tywin: Consistent with mentions throughout the other reads, ok.
Smoothblue: This is the most interesting read I think from Mulch. Pointing out something that's gone under the radar a bit. Smoothblue's #159 is weird because he points out two players doing things that can be from either point of view, but only gives the pass to Commknight.
Overall seems pretty consistent across everyone, and his nulls match up pretty well with my own reads.
@Mulch:In what way do you think that Commknight's analysis is different from kop's? Also if you could clarify your read on sesq that'd be great. I think I'm getting into a place with sesq that I've done before, where a detrimental playstyle is distracting my abiltiy to read someone.
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Phone posting: I meant Comm's analysis where he came up with the 50/50.In post 208, Mulch wrote:Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I don't see any analysis from Commknight?Welcome to the Network.-
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Close enough, meta I last played in would not have tolerated your play in the slightest.In post 211, Sesq wrote:see him as an angry man who has a set way of doing things and is mad other people arent doing things the set wayWelcome to the Network.-
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Don't really want to argue mafia theory here, so we'll just disagree on whether it's AI or not. I gave my read on the situation (I think the level of emotion is fine considering the state of the game, being only D1 and a few pages in) and since I'm no longer on the srceenplay wagon I'm leaving it there.In post 204, Mulch wrote:The thing is, this is NAI. Both town and scum want to deflect their lynches. A common misconception is that town don't give a fuck about themselves, which is not true. Plus, this isn't really emoitional.
This whole paragraph helps me out quite a bit. I took a look at your explanation here and I can see the how it...lines up?...even if it's posted in a detached way. This doesn't help me read sesq's alighment currently, but I can get a better handle on how to.In post 208, Mulch wrote:Sesq has been doing a lot of stuff that isn't really AI at all and is more playstyle indicative. His short, non explanatory posts can easily come from both allignments. But when I was following the game and saw his post in 107 it was sort of a lightbulb moment where he had the exact same reaction from me and in a weird way I could follow his reasoning. It was your worst post of the game by far beacuse it felt super opportunistic and obvious, and not very well thought out (just like all the others that pushed on him). This (as a side point) is a sharp contrast to your usually very detailed and well analyzed reads.
To go along with the comment above two things:In post 222, Sesq wrote:you could afford to be a bit more tolerant
1)I don't need to be more tolerant. If I think that you are playing detrimentally to town then I'm going to continue working on you. Town shouldn't let stuff like that slide.
2)Despite that, it's obviously a playstyle difference, so it doesn't help anyone to go back and forth on it. You'll just accept that you're going to be on my "willing to lynch" list for playing detrimentally (imo) till I get a proper read on you. I'm going to try to make this the last this comes up from my end and focus on the actual reading.
Ok, wait. So there's a little bit of ambiguity here on what you mean by screen's comment, but assuming the "sheep" one is the most contentious and the one that started the wagon, that's the one I'm going with. If we take a look at the highest level of the screen wagon (VC in #126, we have 5 people on that wagon: Mulch, Tywin, Raya, Kop, and myself. Of these people both Mulch and myself have declared the comment NAI and don't use it as a basis for the vote.In post 208, Mulch wrote:I'm having a hard time this game trying to figure out exactly what to do with Screen's comment. I feel like there is a chance he's just a wolf, but tbh I do think it's best to consider it NAI and the fact that so many people pushed on it is so alarming. For everyone voting him: Do you follow their reasoning? Yes, I can follow it, and I think town and scum can easily jump on it as well. But...it's also just something that's so blatantly on the surface scummy that it's pathetically easy for scum to push it, which is why I'm wary of scum pushing on it for an easy push in lieu of actually scumhunting and finding true allignment indicative things.
Kop clearly uses it as his basis here:
Kop also has not rescinded this fact nor discussed anything further actually.In post 118, Kop wrote:You voted for someone on the basis of not knowing what the slip was in the first place. I can't think of how you could even justify you jumping onto the wagon that was forming other than getting on a easy safe wagon. All you've done is replace one safe wagon with yourself.
Raya clearly uses it as his basis in #86. No change of opinion here either, no further discussion.
Tywin clearly uses it as a basis in #73 and doubles down on it in #180.
Commknight, Flubbernugget, sesq, Smoothblue, wavemode don't discuss it.
Guyy also maintains its NAI.
Tywin seems to hashing out his opinion on the ordeal currently, so I'll let Mulch continue that string.
@Raya and @Kop:
Besides the blind sheep on the guyy wagon is there any other reason why you are voting srceenplay?
I couldn't figure out why Mulch was weirding me out a bit but I found it finally:
MulchIn post 184, Mulch wrote:139 just shows pure openness and a severe lack of caring how they are perceived (this is a good thing) with calling out a scumteam that early.clearlysays here the he thinks the severe lack of caring how they are perceived is a good thing and uses it in srceenplay's defense.
Yet we take the same exact idea and apply it to my claim that srceenplay is being overly emotional and caring about their perception and we get this:
Which is direct contradiction, stating "A common misconception is that town don't give a fuck about themselves".In post 204, Mulch wrote:The thing is, this is NAI. Both town and scum want to deflect their lynches. A common misconception is that town don't give a fuck about themselves, which is not true. Plus, this isn't really emoitional.
There's just too many instances of giving everyone passes. Mulch isn't owning his reads.
In #176 We get instances of this in his read on srceenplay, Kop, and Raya. Even Mulch's own read on myself in #210 does it, stating that he "sort of scumreads me" but qualifies it with "village can obviously do it too". I'm really wary of Mulch right now because of this hesitance to go in on any his reads whole-heartedly. Too many places to let himself out if he's pressed on stances.Welcome to the Network.-
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That line is just a different way of saying what I go on about in the sentences that follow, the idea that you call a lot of things able to be done by both alignments, so you already have addressed it.In post 240, Mulch wrote:This is a separate problem altogether and problem the only part of your suspicion on me that I don't get. I've been extremely thorough this game and put a shitton of effort into it, and I definitely don't think I've let anything by if I can help it. Point me to these, please.
The response in #237 shows me you are just a better mafia player than me (regardless of alignment). I expect I'll be picking up some things from you this game. #239 is a playstyle argument and while it does explain the reason for my uneasiness, it doesn't match up with my own view on things I'm still going to feel wary, that's just how gut goes.
I'd be willing to go with a Tywin lynch, but a lot less comfortable with it than a Commknight one. I personally find your position on Tywin a bit flimsy, because it's predicated on a whole bunch of interactions (or lack thereof) that can't be proven in D1. Tywin does double down on the whole srceenplay sheep thing, which in a weird way gives his conviction in a srceenplay lynch a bit more weight because it's as if he actually believes in the lynch, but other than that I'm not particularly impressed by his place this game.In post 283, guyy wrote:kunk would you switch your vote back to tywinWelcome to the Network.-
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You are totally misreading Mulch's #208 His discussion of sesq is entirely in the context of talking to me. So every "your" is a reference to kunkstar7. What Mulch said in 208 regarding sesq is that sesq has a weird detached form of expressing intent, and he understood it by the fact that Mulch felt that both Mulch and sesq had the same reaction to my post where I moved onto srceenplay, which showed Mulch sesq's underlying logic to sesq's posting pattern.In post 313, Flubbernugget wrote:Mulch's 208 about sesq makes zero sense. Referencing Sesq making detailed posts has less than zero basis in reality. However, the majority of his other posts are good enough that this doesn't bother me too much. This could be scum unable to articulate a read on their buddy, but I won't push on that without flips. @Kunkstar: you seem to be able to articulate meaning from 208. Can you explain how it makes sense to follow the reasoning of someone's "worst post in the game"? Have you ever seen Sesq with "extremely detailed play"?
@Lang Buddha:How do you feel about the claim from Kop and how do you think it reflects on wavemode considering the way wavemode ran him up hard?
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Alright, as much as I really don't want to keep Lang around for another day Tywin seems to be the stronger wagon, it's too close to deadline to keep this split:In post 423, Mulch wrote:Let's lynch Tywin
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Vote: Lang Buddha.I still hold my position from Day One, Lang hasn't swayed me at all from the Comm slot.
Tywin's flip is great, going to have to reread pages 5-20 to see reactions to mentions of Tywin.
I don't think we are at a massclaim stage. Still too much variance to make it worth it, but Day 3 should be a good spot for it if we fail to lynch scum. (Just intuition, haven't mathed it out right now but I could if anyone cares.)Welcome to the Network.-
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Not having the votecount messes up numbering, but I think you're right: kop, ironstove, flubbernugget, myselfIn post 546, Mulch wrote:l-1Welcome to the Network.-
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^In post 591, Flubbernugget wrote:Yeah your flavor posting or whatever tone you're trying to achieve really isn't entertaining, and it makes your posting hard to understand. Not trying to be rude, just honest.Welcome to the Network.-
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Remember sesq made no sense to meIn post 572, guyy wrote:oh fuck i thought ironstove was wavemode replacement
kunk wtf are you doing voting with sesq flubber and kop
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Ok here's why we are not massclaiming:
9 players. 3 town PRs. An optimal claim strategy here is for all scum to claim vanilla, thus making the lynch pool 6/9. Then scum knows exactly our PR players and gets free shots off. It's not worth losing power roles for 6/9 lynch pool. That's why we wait a day.Welcome to the Network.-
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Ok so I see what you are getting at but then we get the issue of who's worth not claiming, then we have to analyse who's saying who should not be claiming, it becomes a big convoluted mess of trying to figure out who benefits from someone not claiming, aka playing mafia. So just simplify it down to a normal mafia day because that's what its going to happen if we go that route. Lets have a normal day then we can massclaim when the numbers work out in town's favor solidly. Tbh having a mafia powerrole lynched D1 is pretty lucky, I'm not willing to give up any edge we have here on unnecessary risks. Any PR claiming whether they are a PR or not is drawing the N2 kill. Why should we be giving mafia PR kills for free when we are at the advantage? (Yes I know there's PR shenanigans that could happen, but I don't really have any way of solidly quantifying those chances in a way that's worth taking into consideration.)In post 622, guyy wrote:not everyone has to claim
some of the more obvious town players (group A) can be exempt from this, as well as the players we're not really trying to focus on now but who still might be scum. right now that means guyy, mulch, srceenplay
this offers a large enough buffer i think (1/3 of the players) that scum still has to do a bit of guesswork. this is probably fine for two reasons:
1. we're a little overpowered here atm
2. it obfuscates exactly what information scum is getting and allows PRs to draw some conclusions that scum might not be able to just yet
the following players (group B) should, if claiming, only claim PR or not PR:
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Vote: kop.
I'm in on Lang's plan I suppose. Note that with a mass claim we are guaranteed to lose a PR tonight since we have a JK rather than a doctor, there's no way to save here. Also Lang has pushed hard enough for this that it's unlikely he's scum. Its too easy to do the opposite of what he's done and seem town so him putting himself out there is probably good enough. I'm putting kop here to L-1 so he should begin the mass claim.Welcome to the Network.-
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This doesn't make sense because the mafia jk doesn't exist yet, since we haven't lost the jk yet. So either can do the kill.In post 678, Lang Buddha wrote:This means that the backup jk will do the nightkill, so if it goes through we know our jk's target wasn't the mafia PRWelcome to the Network.-
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That's what the Rolecop is for. Guyys plan misses the points of mass claim. We knew we would lose PRs if we did it. Guyy, why didn't you object to mass claim for real if this was how you were going to go about it? Did you just not think of the strategy you just came up with?In post 700, Srceenplay wrote:Letting him say pr without everyone else popcorning defeats the purpose?
No one would know if there is a cc
So I'm going to vote Flubbernugget to keep this game moving but how are we reacting to his claim then? If he claims PR are we just going to pull the same stunt or does that force a real mass claim?Welcome to the Network.-
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Because page 4 is where all the concrete reads are made right....In post 736, Lang Buddha wrote:Kunkstar went from voting Tywin to very elegantly putting others way ahead in his to-lynch pile, eh
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Lang hasn't claimed either. Not PR.In post 756, Kop wrote:Everyone has claimed apart from Kunkstar.Welcome to the Network.-
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Not me, I just agree that someone's being monumentally stupid here.In post 763, guyy wrote:does that mean it was youWelcome to the Network.-
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Apparently I can't read since I couldn't find it, Someone link it?In post 760, Mulch wrote:Lang claimed vanillaWelcome to the Network.-
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Flubber is guyy's push and prior to the claiming stuff I felt like he had the best read on the game. Screenplay's outbursting here in the last two pages didn't really ring as scummy to me, and prior to that he was null to me as nothing he's said has been notable.In post 806, Kop wrote: Why Flubber? Why not screenplay?Welcome to the Network.-
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I'm just pissed that we wasted this whole day on claiming and it didn't even go down properly, in a way that could have actually been useful for town. The way it did go down was way more helpful for scum than town. I should have stuck with my initial thoughts. Honestly it killed my interest in playing for now.
Also I would be pushing the hell out of a Lang wagon instead if there was time. Where are the long winded diatribes against everyone for ruining his master plan? The rest of the day he was going off about how the whole town was miserable for not listening, but nothing on what went down?Welcome to the Network.-
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This is what the response is?? Guyy please tell me you see how shitty this is.In post 817, Lang Buddha wrote:What do the PRs think, hmm?Welcome to the Network.-
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No, you're right that it wouldn't be helpful in that form but it shows the difference from your preclaim posting. There's a clear disregard here for following through with the things you have been saying, and that's what I'm calling out here.In post 820, Lang Buddha wrote:
Why would any of this be constructive, eh?In post 814, kunkstar7 wrote:Where are the long winded diatribes against everyone for ruining his master plan? The rest of the day he was going off about how the whole town was miserable for not listening, but nothing on what went down?Welcome to the Network.-
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You clearly came into the game without reading anything, so I threw that out just to confirm, and your reaction confirmed it publicly.In post 830, Lang Buddha wrote:So, kunk, what claim were you talking about here, man, hmm?Welcome to the Network.-
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You realize that I'm pretty much just sheeping your flubber vote right? So it makes no sense to be adverse to your own wagon. Your choice though.In post 889, guyy wrote:actually yeah whateversrceenplay
not comfortable voting on a wagon supported by kunk and lang
let's get this day over with
In any case anyone not voting either srceenplay or Flubber is wasting their vote right now and should pick one or the other so we can hit this lynch.Welcome to the Network.-
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No there isMulch wrote:I have a really bad feeling that the last power role not claiming is going to bite us in the assabsolutely nothingbad that could come from that, none at all~
Ok makes sense. I'm sticking here but I'll hammer srceenplay if that happens.In post 895, guyy wrote:kunk, yeah, i get it. it's a little too sheepy
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No one's lying. There would have been counterclaims immediately and that would have been a 50/50 lynch which would have been fine.In post 908, guyy wrote:because i think scum having a 50/50 shot of failure is better reason to divert scum away from our two outed PRs than a third claim
mulch, if one of the other two pr claims were lying, which do you think is more likely?Welcome to the Network.-
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I think that you had a reason for being on Flubber initially, so I don't see why I should switch wagons "just because". Your switch from Flubber to srceenplay is (to me, since I know my own alignment) just you psyching yourself out. I'll continue to be a vote needed for the Flubber wagon until I see that the srceenplay lynch is the only one happening, aka it gets to L-1. With the only people left not one those wagons not being active at the moment, it undermines that to switch early.In post 916, guyy wrote:
i agree hereIn post 913, Lang Buddha wrote:wavemode parked his vote on Tywin then popped back two times saying he's got shit to unload, man, but never did. Super scummy imo, and Not Mafia didn't help shit, but not sure if scummier than actually calling Tywin town.
kunk- why are you okay hammering srceenplay? why can't you be the L-1 vote?Welcome to the Network.-
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Not really possible, anyone voting outside of these two is actively harming town - so any new vote is going to put a wagon at L-1 since they're both at 3 at the moment.In post 926, guyy wrote:although what if they're both at L-1
Flubbernugget(3): Srceenplay, Kunkstar7, Lang Buddha
Srceenplay(3): Mulch, Not_Mafia, guyy
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Ok here we go:
Kop and ironstove confirmed town.
Not_mafia, Lang, kunkstar7, srceenplay, Mulch is lynchpool.
Vote: Lang.That atrocious postclaim stuff or actually lack thereof speaks tons. Also this beginning of day stuff by srceenplay makes me wary there but Lang's a bigger priority.
Here's the rough layout of how the game is playing out:
Worst case:
D3: 7 alive. Town lynch, town NK.
D4 : 5 alive. Lylo.
PRs do NOT full claim. With the JK still up we can force scum to have to guess targets. I don't know whether the JK should target the other PR since it shuts it down, so my initial inclination is to just let the JK decide their own target and don't have anymore discussion on it since it might give away their decision.Welcome to the Network.-
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Just the whole pleading deal doesn't sit well with me. I don't think the way yesterday went down auto confirms you for a lynch today, and while I see what you are saying, especially with NMs vote, your start of day posting seems forced.In post 1011, Srceenplay wrote:So I'm just saying let's slow down and talk and think.Welcome to the Network.-
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This is the reasoning from Mulch...pretty much the only thing not_mafia contributed besides the end of day stuff from D3.In post 915, Mulch wrote:How is that super scummy at all, he just decided to vote park his best mafia teammate for the entire game? Who does that? LolWelcome to the Network.-
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Wait. Kop, we need a list of who you jailed each night. While it won't be definite confirmation of scum since there are two players we can maybe make this day's lynch simple. Whoever Kop jailed could NOT have made the kill. Therefore that player should not be today's lynch. For example using myself to demonstrate the logic:
Kop is confirmed town JK.
Kop jails Srceenplay.
I know I am town, therefore my lynchpool is Srceenplay, not_mafia, and Mulch.
Since Kop jailed Srceenplay confirmed scum has to be between not_mafia and Mulch.Welcome to the Network.-
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That's why I said it wasn't a definite confirmation, addressed that in the post. I personally feel that having a 1/2 shot feels easier to decide than a 2/3. I know the math doesn't hold up for it being actually better (something about picking from 3 doors or whatever I know this is a thing somewhere) but just it makes me feel more confident in voting someone, it feels more like a 1/3 versus 1/2 situation because we only get the one shot at picking scum or we lose. Also, while not likely, there is a chance that Kop's jails could provide some points for further deduction, that's why I want all his actions.In post 1075, Mulch wrote:BTW kunk the jailkeeper gives no clears because they could jail the mafia not doing the kill. So say screen and mafia were the mafia, if they jailed mafia last night it dosent clear him cause screen could have done itWelcome to the Network.-
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The 1/2 is simple:
Lynchpool is kunkstar7, Mulch, srceenplay, not_mafia.
Now for each of those players you -1 for yourself since you know you are town, bringing today's lynchpool to 3 people.
Then take into consideration that scum couldn't be jailed and also have successfully killed last night. Therefore whoever Kop jailed can't be the scum who performed the kill. That removes one player from the lynchpool for today, so it leaves only two players capable of doing the kill, which is the 1/2. This breaks down for the player who got jailkept obviously but for the other people it gives that scenario.Welcome to the Network.-
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