Open 698: Stack the Deck (GAME OVER)

Chip Butty · Post Post #834 (isolation #200) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:24 pm

Can you just address the actual points I raised, now that we have had the inevitable semantic discussion?

Chip Butty · Post Post #836 (isolation #201) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:27 pm

In post 817, Chip Butty wrote:I just had 2 thoughts re the vig pool.

1. CK suggested, reasonably enough, the DW wagon as the vig pool but has resisted the addition of Mulch and Realeo. This could be for his stated reason (pool gets too big) OR it could be because he is scum and he knows one or both of those two are scum.

Realeo, if you are town, please stip fucking around and give us your thoughts on options 1 and 2 here...

Chip Butty · Post Post #837 (isolation #202) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:28 pm

In post 835, Mulch wrote:
In post 827, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 823, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 818, Realeo wrote:Is that an official accusation of "CK is scum with Realeo or Mulch" or just saying it for the sake of saying it?

Let's avoid semantic fight again.
It's neither. That's a false dichotomy. Reread the post. I say it can be either A or B. Obviously that's not an accusation.

It is something to consider.
No, i used the term correctly. The false dichotomy: accusation or just for the sake of it. Third option: neither, just something to consider. You presented the available choicesas A and B but it was C.
That means you are accusing me in a subtle way you know...

In post 829, Chip Butty wrote:LOL i thought i was replying to Realeo but it was Mulch who accused me of misusing the term. On my phone, i have to scroll acrosd to see avatars.

Chip Butty · Post Post #840 (isolation #203) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:34 pm

In post 838, Realeo wrote:
In post 834, Chip Butty wrote:Can you just address the actual points I raised, now that we have had the inevitable semantic discussion?
My issue is I don't know what you are telling me to think about.

Like, you tell me to consider CK+Realeo/Mulch. Ok, why do I have to think it's more likely? Is CK+Realeo/Mulch is a very probably scum partner that I have to give more attention? If yes, why are you voting Una instead.

So you say we should shoot people outside of the lynch zone..which is CK. Do you think rCK is likely to be scum? Why? Who is scummier, CK or Una?

You're mistakenly conflating two distinct things. Una is the lynch. Here we are talking about the vig pool.

Chip Butty · Post Post #842 (isolation #204) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:38 pm

@Realeo: It's a possibility that could be overlooked. Pointing to it as a possibility to consider is a PSA. Why are you resisting it so hard?

Chip Butty · Post Post #844 (isolation #205) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:41 pm

In post 841, Realeo wrote:So why CK should be shot?

Not as strong as that but i think he should be in the pool. I am suspicious of his attempt to define the pool in such a way as to exclude himself from it, even though I acknowledge there is some justification for it.

Chip Butty · Post Post #848 (isolation #206) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:10 pm

In post 843, CommKnight wrote:

Yeah, let's break this down...

Realeo
Approved the DW lynch but you refuse to include him in your pool.

ironstove
Didn't vote but said he'd hammer anyone he was told to. He DOES get added to to your pool.

Mulch
Said he would hammer DW but you won't include him in your pool.

CommKnight
You.

UnaBombaH
The lynch, so not a contender for the vig pool.

^ Just gonna point out this is all the people currently alive that didn't vote for Duck. I even put ironstove on the pool and that's because he's done fuck all.

So you are tailoring the pool quite a bit. And one interpretation is that you are scum with one or both of Realeo and Mulch.

Correct response: "Interesting, Chip, but I don't see it being the a tual case".

Incorrect responses: Aggression, obfuscation over semantics.

Chip Butty · Post Post #849 (isolation #207) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:13 pm

In post 847, Mulch wrote:Theoretically if Chip and Una were scum together, do you think they would bus here?

After being on Una before Duck and also rating the chances of Ice/Una being T/T as very low, scum.me would totally bus Una.

Chip Butty · Post Post #852 (isolation #208) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:29 pm

In post 851, Realeo wrote:EBWOP

That post either shows he is town with serious bias against me or mafia really panicking

What exactly do you mean by serious bias? I found IceGuy townie and i was right, although i was wavering a bit by EOD.

Chip Butty · Post Post #854 (isolation #209) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:38 pm

In post 853, Realeo wrote:Why IceGuy defending himself is towny but me and Mulch "defending ourself" is "excited scum"?

That's the game. All of us all the time are assessing each other on tone and content. Ice sermed calm and rational even under vote pressure and i could follow his thought processes. You saw how excited Mulch got earlier when I poked him, and now you're doing the same but in a different way. It's like being considered possibly scum is making you nervous.

So, what do you mean by serious bias?

Chip Butty · Post Post #855 (isolation #210) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:39 pm

Same with CK actually. Insta aggression when poked.

Chip Butty · Post Post #857 (isolation #211) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:51 pm

In post 856, Realeo wrote:
Ice sermed calm
How is IceGuy is being calm when being poked by Luca Blight? Like, the entire Luca Blight's case at IceGuy is for IceGuy's exaggeration.

I'm pretty sure calm is the antonym of exaggeration, not the synonym for it.

Calm is not an antonym of exaggeration in any dictionary i have seen. It is an antonym of excited.

I don't see how this is even close to scumhunting. What is your fucking point, or stfu and stop cluttering the thread with your atyempts to appear cleverer than you are.

Chip Butty · Post Post #859 (isolation #212) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:55 pm

Calm is an antonym of exasperated, which is what I am now. Maybe that's what you meant.

Chip Butty · Post Post #860 (isolation #213) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:57 pm

In post 858, Realeo wrote:Don't dodge the question.

Show me where you think Ice isn't calm...

Chip Butty · Post Post #863 (isolation #214) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:03 pm

In post 861, Realeo wrote:
In post 857, Chip Butty wrote:stfu and stop cluttering the thread with your atyempts to appear cleverer than you are
There is only 1
genius
who complained that I am full of shit.

There are 4
scummy idiots
who complained that you are full of shit.

ftfy.

I wish for you not to call people idiots, Chip. -PMysterious, a Mod.

Chip Butty · Post Post #865 (isolation #215) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 862, Realeo wrote:
In post 860, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 858, Realeo wrote:Don't dodge the question.
Show me where you think Ice isn't calm...
The reason why I meta dive him was exactly to defend him from the exaggeration accusation. Why do you think I persuaded Luca to consider his meta?

Stahp! You're giving me a migraine, and i don't even get migraines. You still are dodging the question of what you meant by serious bias...

Chip Butty · Post Post #866 (isolation #216) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:08 pm

In post 864, Realeo wrote:
In post 863, Chip Butty wrote:There are 4 scummy idiots who complained that you are full of shit.
Get your math right. One of those scummy idiot was GameNBurger. He is not a scummy idiot, he is conf town.

Talk to the hand Realeo, talk to the hand.

Chip Butty · Post Post #868 (isolation #217) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:18 pm

Hand says 'Ego battle? WTF?'

Chip Butty · Post Post #869 (isolation #218) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:20 pm

Hand says 'Is that what you think this is? I think we are playing different games here.'

Chip Butty · Post Post #870 (isolation #219) » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:23 pm

Hand says 'Yet more minutes I'll never get back. Lost, like tears in rain on fire off the shoulder of Orion.'

Chip Butty · Post Post #922 (isolation #220) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:37 pm

In post 921, Assemblerotws wrote:
I mean, it's awesome that you've dropped in to update us with your latest thoughts, but can we have a side of reasons to go with that?

Massive townread on Comm ATM.
...
Not letting up on Una, but thanks to the behavior of Ironstove and Chip, he is no longer my only scumread.

Chip Butty · Post Post #940 (isolation #221) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:22 pm

In post 938, ironstove wrote:mulch are you gonna link your games or what

Yeah, no hammer til that happens.

Chip Butty · Post Post #941 (isolation #222) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:29 pm

In post 809, Mulch wrote: Yeah, I have godly tone as scum.

Chip Butty · Post Post #944 (isolation #223) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:50 pm

In post 942, Mulch wrote:Ok I changed my mind again Chip is scum VOTE: Chip

LOL.

Chip Butty · Post Post #946 (isolation #224) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:20 pm

Towner: Luca, grapes, IronStove

Null: Realeo, Alch, Assemble

Scummer: Mulch, CK

Una: starting to come around on the idea he might possibly be town. Still don't hate a Una lynch though.

Chip Butty · Post Post #947 (isolation #225) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:23 pm

In post 946, Chip Butty wrote:Towner: Luca, grapes, IronStove

Null: Realeo, Alch, Assemble

Scummer: Mulch, CK

Una: starting to come around on the idea he might possibly be town. Still don't hate a Una lynch though.

Okay i want to think about CK's proposal and maybe reassess...

Chip Butty · Post Post #952 (isolation #226) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:42 pm

In post 949, Mulch wrote:I see no town motiviation for post 941

It was a response to Una's 935, in case he is town, and a general reminder that you take pride in your scumtone.

Chip Butty · Post Post #967 (isolation #227) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:13 pm

In post 965, grapes wrote:
In post 951, Luca Blight wrote:And I'm not sure if CK isn't reading my posts or is simply ignoring them. He's dictating who to lynch and shoot but not actually interacting with anyone in the thread which is bemusing.
I'm happy to hear I'm not the only person getting glossed over.

I'm not sure it makes all that much sense to try and dictate the vig shot N2 before you've seen the flip D2 yet, either.

CK definitely seems hung up on his pools and is saying much else.

And maybe a better way would be if we each just nominate a pool of three. That way everyone who wants input has a proper say.

My vig-pool would include CK himself. Mulch I'll think about more after going through the linked games. Maybe Alch as a bit of a wildcard...

I think we're maybe being led down the garden path a bit with all the focus on the DW wagon. It was a pretty easy wagon for town to jump on to, once they thought it might happen. Yes there was probably at least one scum on it, but I'm pretty sure there was scum off it too.

Chip Butty · Post Post #968 (isolation #228) » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:14 pm

First para: 'is NOT saying much else.'^

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:13 am

He seems to have dodged taking a stand on your lynch, though. All he did was talk about how many stands he has taken.

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:55 am

In post 1002, Realeo wrote:How is this is not my position on his lynch?

In post 994, Realeo wrote:I am the first guy who made a stand on why you are unlikely to be non-traitor.
I'm going to return back to my verbose mode.

LOL you never actually left your verbose mode. Only talked about it, which ironically added to your verbosity.

So, your CURRENT position is still that UnaH Is scum but not the traitor? There's room on the wagon, you know...

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:31 am

In post 1007, Realeo wrote:I know, but isn't out priority is to hit the other two mafia because those are where the mafia power role?

Are...are you actually saying 'yeah UnaH is scum but let's not lynch him because the non-traitors have higher priority'?

I mean, first, it's either 7-3 or 7-2 (+1). We don't have much wriggle room.

Second, why so sure there was no recruitment?

Third, wow.

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:33 am

In post 1008, Realeo wrote:
In post 1006, Chip Butty wrote:So, your CURRENT position is still that UnaH Is scum but not the traitor?
I did not say that.

I know you didn't say it. So you haven't taken a current stand on UnaH. Do you think UnaH is scum, or not? Do you support his lynch or not? If so, why not vote him?

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 1011, Realeo wrote:I am going to avoid this semantic battle.

There is no semantic battle here. Why are you being so coy? It's a simple question: Do you currently support a UnaH lynch and, if so, why not vote for it?

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:45 pm

In post 1008, Realeo wrote:
In post 1006, Chip Butty wrote:So, your CURRENT position is still that UnaH Is scum but not the traitor?
I did not say that.

In post 1039, Realeo wrote:I have addressed it in page 41. Please help yourself.

No you didn't. Why are you squirming?

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:46 pm

In post 1009, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1007, Realeo wrote:I know, but isn't out priority is to hit the other two mafia because those are where the mafia power role?
Are...are you actually saying 'yeah UnaH is scum but let's not lynch him because the non-traitors have higher priority'?

I mean, first, it's either 7-3 or 7-2 (+1). We don't have much wriggle room.

Second, why so sure there was no recruitment?

Third, wow.

No response to this, either.

Chip Butty · Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:57 pm

Do people feel that Realeo has adequately clarified his current position on a UnaH lynch? He seems coy on the topic. I think UnaH himself was also interested in this but he hasn't pushed it recently. I just think it is good to get these things on the record.

Speaking of which I'm currently nullish to slight town read on UnaH. I've been moving in that direction since late d1 when i said i could switch to Ice rather than back to UnaH if the Duck wagon didn't work out. I know i rated UnaH/Ice as unlikely to be t/t but I've obviously moved away from that. I'll try to do a d2 UnaH ISO soon, my current view is mainly impressionistic.

Chip Butty · Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:00 pm

In post 1076, ironstove wrote:ck is verified scum. assumble + ck are scum.

Why? I don't necessarily disagree, but Son of Sam probably should have questioned his dog's opinions more, and i think we can all learn from that.

Chip Butty · Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:15 am

In post 1079, Realeo wrote: I endorse this question.

Nobody cares.

Chip Butty · Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:45 pm

In post 1084, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1077, Chip Butty wrote: Speaking of which I'm currently nullish to slight town read on UnaH. I've been moving in that direction since late d1 when i said i could switch to Ice rather than back to UnaH if the Duck wagon didn't work out. I know i rated UnaH/Ice as unlikely to be t/t but I've obviously moved away from that. I'll try to do a d2 UnaH ISO soon, my current view is mainly impressionistic.
So who would be your preferred lynch right now?

Please answer my question re Realeo first...

Chip Butty · Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:05 pm

In post 1077, Chip Butty wrote:Do people feel that Realeo has adequately clarified his current position on a UnaH lynch? He seems coy on the topic. I think UnaH himself was also interested in this but he hasn't pushed it recently. I just think it is good to get these things on the record.

This one...

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:34 am

I thought prodges were supposed to contain some actual game content to count.

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:52 am

Cool. Just frustrated because all my games are stalling...

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:26 am

CommKnight.

In fact i might as well make it official:

VOTE: CommKnight

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:27 am

Luca can you post a current reads list b4 u go?

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:21 pm

In post 1082, PMysterious wrote:

Vote Count 2.5

With 10 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

Assemblerotws- 2 (Realeo, ironstove)
Realeo- 0
Chip Butty- 0
ironstove- 0
Luca Blight- 0
Mulch- 0
Alchemist21- 1 (Luca Blight)
grapes- 1 (CommKnight)
CommKnight- 1 (grapes)
UnaBombaH- 2 (Assemblerotws, Alchemist21)

In post 1107, PMysterious wrote:
Vote Count 2.6

With 10 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

Assemblerotws- 2 (ironstove, UnaBombaH)
Realeo- 0
Chip Butty- 1 (Mulch)
ironstove- 0
Luca Blight- 0
Mulch- 0
Alchemist21- 1 (Luca Blight)
grapes- 1 (CommKnight)
CommKnight- 2 (grapes, Chip Butty)
UnaBombaH- 3 (Assemblerotws, Alchemist21, Realeo)

The time remaining for every phase will always be on the original post, and based on that right now, there is a little over a day left.

I feel like i can kind of see two blocs forming:

Bloc A: Chip, Luca, grapes, IronStove, UnaH

Bloc B: CK, Alch, Assemble, Mulch

with Realeo hopping back and forth. ie Assemble to UnaH then after the second VC back to Assemble.

I suspect at least 2 scum in Bloc B.

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:25 pm

In post 1102, Mulch wrote:Chip do you scumread Realeo?

I'm realeo unsure about him, which is why i am trying to get him on rhe record.

Fwiw i find his brief hop onto UnaH curious at a time when the UnaaH wagon is fizzling and after being coy on the topic for so long. It's like he want to be able to say later he was on the wagon but he doesn't really want to be on the wagon.

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:06 pm

The bottom line on the d1 lynch is Duck looked scummy. There's no getting away from that. You are way overemphasising its significance, and have been all day.

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:31 pm

In post 1115, Assemblerotws wrote:
In post 1114, Chip Butty wrote:The bottom line on the d1 lynch is Duck looked scummy. There's no getting away from that. You are way overemphasising its significance, and have been all day.
Care to explain how Duck was scummy instead of just lurking?

It's in my ISO. Start with 256 and 374.

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:07 pm

In post 677, PMysterious wrote:
Vote Count 1.FINAL

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Assemblerotws- 0
Realeo- 0
Chip Butty- 0
GameNBurger- 0
ironstove- 0

IceGuy
- 3 (
UnaBombaH
,
Mulch
,
Duckworth
)
Luca Blight- 0

Duckworth
- 7 (
grapes
,
Alchemist21
,
Iceguy
,
Luca Blight
,
Chip Butty
,
Assemblerotws
,
Duckworth)

Mulch- 0
Alchemist21- 0
grapes- 0
CommKnight- 0

UnaBombaH
- 2 (
GameNBurger
,
CommKight
)

Update will come shortly.

Bloc A

Bloc B

Unaligned

IronStove

and

Realeo

abstaining.

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:14 pm

In post 1115, Assemblerotws wrote:
In post 1114, Chip Butty wrote:The bottom line on the d1 lynch is Duck looked scummy. There's no getting away from that. You are way overemphasising its significance, and have been all day.
Care to explain how Duck was scummy instead of just lurking?

In post 1118, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 677, PMysterious wrote:
Vote Count 1.FINAL

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Assemblerotws- 0
Realeo- 0
Chip Butty- 0
GameNBurger- 0
ironstove- 0

IceGuy
- 3 (
UnaBombaH
,
Mulch
,
Duckworth
)
Luca Blight- 0

Duckworth
- 7 (
grapes
,
Alchemist21
,
Iceguy
,
Luca Blight
,
Chip Butty
,
Assemblerotws
,
Duckworth)

Mulch- 0
Alchemist21- 0
grapes- 0
CommKnight- 0

UnaBombaH
- 2 (
GameNBurger
,
CommKight
)

Update will come shortly.

Bloc A

Bloc B

Unaligned

IronStove
and
Realeo
abstaining.

LOL you were on his lynch LOL

BOOK IM DANNO, MURDER ONE!

VOTE: Assemble

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:29 pm

So...you're not even going to notice that Assemble questioned the Duck lynch even though he was on it?

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:33 pm

In post 1122, Chip Butty wrote:So...you're not even going to notice that Assemble questioned the Duck lynch even though he was on it?

I mean, you're voting him, but an opinion would be nice...

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:34 pm

Assemble is L-2

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:07 pm

Butty's First Law: There is no content, nor posting style, that is universally townread.

Chip Butty · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:03 am

In post 643, Assemblerotws wrote:Yeah, I'm willing to compromise.
VOTE: DuckWorth

In post 744, Assemblerotws wrote: Also, the reason I was willing to join the flashwagon against Duckworth was to see how his flip would look for the people who started the flashwagon. Didn't get much out of it, though.

These don't really line up all that well.

Chip Butty · Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:26 pm

In post 1137, ironstove wrote:what good is mass claim going to do us here?

so... brain dead lynch vote here:

VOTE: commknight

come town, join me. If I'm right we lynch scum, if I'm wrong we lose together as a team.

Bad doggie!

Chip Butty · Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:54 pm

Good game everyone. I actually thought IS softed a PR, which is why i never worried too much about him. Luca I didn't hardclear but he was still my strongest town read, so well-played. Alch started out looking towny to me but leds as the game progressed, as i said somewhere. I came very very close to shooting him n2 after iso-ing him but gave him the benefit of the doubt given we were already at 6-3 and likely to wake up to 4-3 if i was wrong. Mulch i couldn't get traction for a lynch and because he never came under real pressure we never got to see the full-on Scum!Mulch fireworks. I might have shot him n2 but i jad already iso-ed / metadived Realeo, Alch, CK, and UnaH and my eyes couldn't take any more, so i just went for the runner-up / info shot, as on n1. Realeo i thought was a chance for traitor, because he seems less verbose and waffly in his other town games. I almost shot him on n2 too, but a final readthrough of his iso made me think probtown.