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Hi!In post 272, the worst wrote:sorry; i'll obligatorily yell at the next person who enters the thread.
Probably not, but who knows!In post 391, Green Crayons wrote:is this just how you're going to play?In post 383, Umlaut wrote:Oh cool, more pages.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83575In post 387, Grumpy Cat wrote:Link pl0xIn post 383, Umlaut wrote:Town got burned badly in a recent game I was in by a less experienced player doing just that (asking a lot of "questions like these" about mechanics and whether scum could talk during the day etc., purely for the sake of looking town).
I don't historically find making cases and engaging with other players to be that hard as scum. I know self-meta is terrible but I actually find it a bit easier to get engaged with the early game when I can just make up reads and feign confidence in them instead of having to form real reads and have actual confidence.In post 399, Green Crayons wrote:Just so I'm not a complete ass, here, because Umlaut has suggested IRL reasons for not being as active as he might otherwise be (so the inactivity itself isn't AI). There's a sense of Umlaut's catch-up posts are more like detached observations rather than any attempt to really engage. No engagement is safer for scum because that never requires devolving into argument where you might actually have to put rubber to the road and evict a towns person based on the back of your bad reasons.
Can you specify which one you're talking about?In post 432, the worst wrote:what do you make of his second badpost?
"Yes I am being willfully obtuse" is... not the defense I was expecting, and I don't know what to think of it.In post 283, Something_Smart wrote:It was a little willfully obtuse, yes. But I felt like username wasn't saying what he really thought about my post, because "fake" was vague and generic and didn't really make sense in context.In post 277, Umlaut wrote:I think S_S' reply looks willfully obtuse.
Not really, "scum chose different numbers from one another" and "I propose we just start executing from the top of the list" are two different things and I can agree with one while not taking the other seriously (though it seems like it was actually serious so (1) whoops and (2) no, let's not do that)In post 291, DrDolittle wrote:these contradict each otherIn post 277, Umlaut wrote:Hoopla's data collection seems like more work than scum would do; it's easy enough to say "probably scum chose different numbers" because of course town will think of that, but actually verifying this empirically is unnecessary if it were just for town cred.
115 - Why on earth would you take Hoopla's plan seriously enough to object to it? I assumed it was a shitpost.
I mean those posts are not like stunning me with their brilliance but is there something in particular that pings you about them?the worst wrote:@umlaut both of these tbh
Datisi can be town for this actually.In post 438, Datisi wrote:umlaut, so far my way of reading him has been "does he disremind me of the two scumgames of his that i modded" and the answer was yes and he was town and the answer right now is "no" and i'm aware that doesn't necessarily translate into him being scum but /shrug
It's more that how you're reading me in this game is in line with how you read me in general. I concede I don't think I'm done anything way out of the "stuff I could do if I were scum" zone here so if you're reading me accordingly then that matches what I expect town!Datisi to think.In post 443, Datisi wrote:the wifom of "should umlaut be townreading me for this when the last time we played together and were t/t i used that as reasoning for townreading him (before voting him at eod but that's besides the point) and he liked it and therefore i would know he buys that reasoning from me so would theoretically know how to approach him as scum and he shouldn't be awarding me townpoints for it"In post 440, Umlaut wrote:Datisi can be town for this actually.In post 438, Datisi wrote:umlaut, so far my way of reading him has been "does he disremind me of the two scumgames of his that i modded" and the answer was yes and he was town and the answer right now is "no" and i'm aware that doesn't necessarily translate into him being scum but /shrug
maybe i shouldn't be overthinking it
maybe i should
should i?
There is something I dislike about this but I'm not sure how much of it is just that the post ends with a vote on me.In post 444, Hoopla wrote:at the best of times, it takes me a while to really sink my teeth into a game (even one's without distracting mechanics). some of that stems from pessimism about D1 inaccuracy. like, i know you have to "fake it til you make it", so to speak, with early reads but ugh. townhunting i find somewhat easier d1, but like you, i tend to end up with a lot of null reads.
i've come to accept that that's okay on D1.
my de facto coping mechanism is aggressive bandwagoning on non-town reads. after a while, real information (wagons/claims etc) seep into the game and i find it easier.
Much better!In post 472, Hoopla wrote:hmm lets test it out;In post 470, Umlaut wrote:There is something I dislike about this but I'm not sure how much of it is just that the post ends with a vote on me.
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at the best of times, it takes me a while to really sink my teeth into a game (even one's without distracting mechanics). some of that stems from pessimism about D1 inaccuracy. like, i know you have to "fake it til you make it", so to speak, with early reads but ugh. townhunting i find somewhat easier d1, but like you, i tend to end up with a lot of null reads.
i've come to accept that that's okay on D1.
my de facto coping mechanism is aggressive bandwagoning on non-town reads. after a while, real information (wagons/claims etc) seep into the game and i find it easier.
VOTE: iconeum
I thought (1) that Hoopla's initial post 14 was just goofing around, and (2) that that was what S_S was responding to. I'm not sure about the first but the second was definitely not the case.In post 615, DrDolittle wrote:btw @Umlaut where do you read that Hoopla has ever been not serious this game?
GC there is Green Crayons, didn't notice it was ambiguous until I saw this replyIn post 639, Grumpy Cat wrote:That post is weird for another reason too actually. Umlaut says he likes me for town, but then clarifies he's eh on me but isn't "explicitly scumreading" me. Why does he clarify he's not scumreading me if he just said he liked me for town? Seems like a weird disconnect.In post 628, Iconeum wrote:that 530 is extremely wrong, which i already explained so i'm very much pinged that you are not even talking about my counter to itIn post 611, Umlaut wrote:Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)
VOTE: Iconeum
VOTE: umlaut
Where did you do this? I'm looking for the explanation and can't find it.In post 628, Iconeum wrote:that 530 is extremely wrong, which i already explained so i'm very much pinged that you are not even talking about my counter to itIn post 611, Umlaut wrote:Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)
VOTE: Iconeum
VOTE: umlaut
In post 594, Clover Ebi wrote:Was my vote on Green missed? Ah well, I don't mind joining this
VOTE: Dr Dolittle
In post 681, Marquis wrote:really wish I was scum this game I've tried to skim what I missed like 3 times but my eyes are glazing over I'm getting like no strong impressions of people and just want to get some flip to work off of
How hypocritical is it of me to want to elim Marquis based on this?In post 682, Marquis wrote:ppl probably going to bitch at me so I'll try to commit to a slow full read this weekend but right now I have 0 townreads which is annoying enough for me to want to just deal with this later
In post 128, Marquis wrote:zzzz this already looks boring ill deal with things later
This just seems like a very "I don't care how anyone reads me" entrance. I'd expect scum would think strategically about whom to vote so probably wouldn't come in and vote and then instantly change it, and particularly opening with an invitation to a reaction test like that (I really don't think Marquis believed they were putting Gypyx at L-1) seems like they're more interested in seeing what
Probably town. Probably. I guess.In post 700, word321 wrote:wahts ur take on Dats umlaut?
That's funny because after reading the worst's reply I'm not sure I'm with myself on this one.In post 708, word321 wrote:Im actually with umlaut on this one regarding marquis
Bold of you to describe that reply as a "conclusion"In post 709, word321 wrote:how, from 2 random questions without prior context, and no other kind of input on the thread arrived at that conclusion?In post 706, Umlaut wrote:Probably town. Probably. I guess.In post 700, word321 wrote:wahts ur take on Dats umlaut?
Why aren't you offering me a bribe? I was thinking of voting Marquis anyway but now that I know there are bribes available I may have to hold out longer.In post 736, the worst wrote:word, can I interest you in being bribed onto the marquis wagon? I have three relaly delicious breadcrumbs on offer.
I definitely wasn't budding.In post 751, Iconeum wrote:Somewhat caught up
Umlauts budding attempt wrt being bribed to vote doesn't make me wanna unvote
If only there were more than two people in the game, so that I could have other optionsIn post 738, Green Crayons wrote:Would be weird to bribe you to not vote yourself.
Yes I am obviously aware of it. Do you think I'm obligated to vote Marquis because I'm the other leading wagon at the moment?In post 755, Green Crayons wrote:Yes but there's obviously a bandwagon competition going on rn.
Are you purposefully ignoring that, or just accidentally?
It was a dumb joke and I thought kind of an obvious one.In post 778, Green Crayons wrote:It’s not that you’re supposed to, and tbh I wouldn’t care if you said “this is dumb and I’m not participating”
What DID catch my attention is you asking to be bribed in a way that ignores that tw is in the marquis/umlaut mindset
IDK I’m still thinking about it not sure really what it means
This reads phony to me.In post 785, Clover Ebi wrote:I still dislike this but it might just be my style of play then anything. I don't plan on hammering though!
If you think Marquis is scum there's no reason to be against the wagon.In post 797, Clover Ebi wrote:Yes that is because it's exactly what I'm doing. What's wrong with that?In post 796, Umlaut wrote:This reads phony to me.In post 785, Clover Ebi wrote:I still dislike this but it might just be my style of play then anything. I don't plan on hammering though!
It seems like you're taking a position against the Marquis wagon but not one that would actually dissuade anyone from hammering it.