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I disagree with you at a theory level but your response was an agree-to-disagree at a theory level that's not inherently scummy, profii was really underminey and subversive"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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So Im looking at my avatar more closely, it's got more flavor than I initially gave it credit for.
Cloven toes: probs a sheep?
scorpo tail
Lion mane
More 'feline' style facial features.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.- pisskop
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I think its a talk we could have...In post 1550, popsofctown wrote:I disagree with you at a theory level but your response was an agree-to-disagree at a theory level that's not inherently scummy, profii was really underminey and subversive
Sheeping a dead player for the sake of it is exactly what scum would do. I think ank is incredibly competent as a player, and yet they SRed my slot? Their accuracy isn't ever going to be 100%, or even 75%.
Its something a scumteam (or outrageous gambiting town) could easily exploit. Look at the norway wagon. Would it have grown so fast/big if sheeping wasnt a factor?
And finally, dead people often die for many, many more reasons than their reads. smaller games I feel tend to have more strategic kills while larger ones tend to have more subtle ones, so thats a thing I guess, But its a fallacy to try to use a dead players reads as a guidebook, and its a bad habit; especially when in a mountainous.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.- popsofctown
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you have definitely been through the breeder so many times you are at least +9"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think you are misunderstanding my reasoning.
My reasoning isn't, "Ank is dead, therefore her reads were right, therefore they should be sheeped".
My reasoning is, "I think Ank's reads are better than mine in general, and the only times they wouldn't be is when she's scum who's not bussing. Now that she is dead, that's ruled out, so only the good stuff remains".
If she was alive and I was hard townreading her it would be the same thing. I wasn't really townreading her that hard yesterday though tbh. It sounds like I'm in the minority on that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Who doesn't think that? Well at least 2/3.In post 1535, profii wrote:
Do you think scum killed Ank because she was on the money with her reads?In post 1531, popsofctown wrote:I read norwee's iso and it didn't make me feel more scared about deadsheeping Ank- Flopz
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What do you mean by that hard? The full-on sheeping kind of shows that not to be the case.In post 1554, popsofctown wrote:I think you are misunderstanding my reasoning.
I wasn't really townreading her that hard yesterday though tbh. It sounds like I'm in the minority on that.- popsofctown
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If she mislynched and then didn't get NKed I was going to murderlate her with ropesIn post 1557, Flopz wrote:
What do you mean by that hard? The full-on sheeping kind of shows that not to be the case.In post 1554, popsofctown wrote:I think you are misunderstanding my reasoning.
I wasn't really townreading her that hard yesterday though tbh. It sounds like I'm in the minority on that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I don't disagree that I have the propensity to logic bad. If you want to break it down and explain how I'm wrong be my guest.In post 1540, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Flopz
For post 1482.
It's bad analyzation at best, and grasping for an argument at worst.- Flopz
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I don't think you'd be in a super minority for that reasoning, Ank was most likely to get NK imo and it would've been surprising if it was anyone else, bar maybe Hopkirk. If she was trying to lead us to a ML and then didn't die in the night then fetching a rope would be the normal thing to do.In post 1558, popsofctown wrote:
If she mislynched and then didn't get NKed I was going to murderlate her with ropesIn post 1557, Flopz wrote:
What do you mean by that hard? The full-on sheeping kind of shows that not to be the case.In post 1554, popsofctown wrote:I think you are misunderstanding my reasoning.
I wasn't really townreading her that hard yesterday though tbh. It sounds like I'm in the minority on that.- Flopz
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I'm not sheeping Ank? I am querying why pops was sheeping- just like you said we shouldn't do?In post 1547, pisskop wrote:
That's hella sketch, tbh.In post 1543, profii wrote:
So given that town dont know the game solve how do you feel about pops sheeping ank ?In post 1537, pisskop wrote:Ank probs died because she was obviously town?
We take ank's reads into consideration but we shouldn't blindly sheep. What we do is use ank's reads to pressure wagon a player, ergo the norway wagon.
Did you /in into Ether's thread?
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This is literally why I askedIn post 1552, pisskop wrote:Sheeping a dead player for the sake of it is exactly what scum would do.- profii
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Again, exactly why I probed thereIn post 1552, pisskop wrote:smaller games I feel tend to have more strategic kills
I have no idea why you seem to come to same conclusions as me yet vote me
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Hectic/Pisskop, have you two had any previous experience with Ankamius? I think her read on me was overly ambitious for someone who's never seen my play before, and my disagreement has been obvious. But i'm curious if she has any possible meta experience which makes hear scumread on either of you any more valid? I'm asking since Pops reads changed so strongly yesterday.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I'm going to quote this since I'm going to assume PRofii hasn't answered it.In post 1476, Hopkirk wrote:Because I like too much of one wagon and too little of the other. What are your thoughts on each side/the balance there?
It was a meme vote, but thinking about it the results are semi meaningfulIn post 1479, Hectic wrote:Memes aside, why would you vote Pissy here if you think I actually claimed scum with Pissy? Wouldn't it make more sense to vote me since I could be scum trying to frame a townie?
It was quick enough that scum you wouldn't probably have had time to get the ok from Pisskop to say that so...
-you say that if you're town and he's town or scum
-you say that if you're scum and he's town
-you probably don't actually say it if you're scum
Observing you see that makes him slightly more likely to be town, and unlikely to be scum in worlds where you are (technically reducing both of your scum equity despite my confidence one of you is scum).
Norway's comment on PK at the start of the day semi feels like someone trying to defend someone so badly that we lynch them after NW flips.
Alternatively, lynch the stronger scumread and ssee who the second strongest scumread is paired with since if you're going to lynch slot#2 either way you want to get into hood phase quicker.In post 1482, Flopz wrote:
Honestly, that's been my thought throughout this whole nightphase. We lynch one of these jokers and then take out the romantic couple that remains. The question is do we go for Norwee or Hectic? Norwee is basically ObvScum at this point so makes sense for a lynch on him straight out of the gate but I'm leaning towards the idea of taking out Hectic and then lynching the 100% confirmed ScumCouple that Norwee is on. I'm thinking of this on the incredibly low chance that Hectic is Town, which I don't believe for a second, we can then lynch Norwee the subsequent night and the ScumCouple that's left will be pretty obvious from those remaining.In post 1448, Hopkirk wrote:We're going with lynch Norway then see who Hectic gets paired up with (cough profii) right?
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I didn't like the reversal of Hectic and PK for the vote, right at the end. Profii came out of left-field and completely changed my view of him with the move from Norwee to Dunn.
Why are you saying that like it's unreasonable at all?In post 1484, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
So let me get this right. You think both me and Hectic are scum?In post 1482, Flopz wrote:Honestly, that's been my thought throughout this whole nightphase. We lynch one of these jokers and then take out the romantic couple that remains. The question is do we go for Norwee or Hectic? Norwee is basically ObvScum at this point so makes sense for a lynch on him straight out of the gate but I'm leaning towards the idea of taking out Hectic and then lynching the 100% confirmed ScumCouple that Norwee is on. I'm thinking of this on the incredibly low chance that Hectic is Town, which I don't believe for a second, we can then lynch Norwee the subsequent night and the ScumCouple that's left will be pretty obvious from those remaining.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.- NorwegianboyEE
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Burden of proof lies on the accusers. Not the accused.In post 1566, Hopkirk wrote:Why are you saying that like it's unreasonable at all?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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This feels kind of misleady. I feel like I've seen you link your offsite scumgame before.In post 1509, Hectic wrote:
I haven't played scum, but I think I'd bus at the point where I thought my partner would go down at the end of the day regardless of what I did.In post 1508, Looker wrote:@Norwee/Hectic: What would it take for you to buss as scum? Hypothetically.
Is the second part of this based on irl mafia and what you think you do there usually, or did you try and imagine forum scum Hectic?
Can't we save this for Hoptic's next adventure?In post 1517, Hectic wrote:What if you're going for a tank build though? Like, I want to turtle up and block all incoming damage, and then peek out of my shell to cast hyper beam every once in a while.
I'm gonna go 100% AtE in my next game and see how it goes. Without making it toxic of course.
If you read the iso carefully you can actually see where Norway starts incorporating a ton of fluff and his tone completely changes/doesn't shift back.In post 1519, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
First off i would blatantly pander to my userbase by implementing anti-scum policies. Believe me, we need tough people. There are some bad dudes out there i’m telling ya, they’re criminals, rapists, the only way to safeguard our fair population and make our forum great again is by voting Norway Trump.In post 1506, popsofctown wrote:Norwee what would you do for me as president? I could vote hectic here.
Why?In post 1529, Elements wrote:I find that in times like these it's often a good idea to sheep hopkirk
What are those arguments?In post 1538, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I get that i'm being suspected because Dunn flipped town. But i still don't know why exactly people think my ISO is bad. And who are my teammates if i'm scum? The "Both you and Hectic are scum" argument is laughably bad tbh.
I feel like 'I'm being pushed because Dunn flipped town' is incredibly disingenous when most of the people pushing you were voting you (a 5 person wagon) at the end of the day yesterday.
Is this the only Flopz post you've had a problem with?In post 1540, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Flopz
For post 1482.
It's bad analyzation at best, and grasping for an argument at worst.
Agreement tbh.In post 1542, popsofctown wrote:I am possibly down to PL Hectic for avatar changeThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.- Hopkirk
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They can't kill me after I caught the scumteam (Profii/Norway/Hectic) day one. I assume I'm voting Norway right now instead of still meme-voting Pisskop who I scumread less than those 3, but I'm not going to check that.In post 1561, Flopz wrote:And when I say maybe, it's like having Pepsi as a second to Coke. They might have some type of comparison but it really isn't the same when you're offered the alternative. (no offence Hop, ily).
Mob justice isn't particularly renowned for a commitment to due process.In post 1567, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Burden of proof lies on the accusers. Not the accused.In post 1566, Hopkirk wrote:Why are you saying that like it's unreasonable at all?
I think you'll find we don't actuallyneedany evidence to lynch you.
If it's laughably bad then perhaps substantiating why you being scum with someone you've townread the whole game is laughable instead of exercising your fifth amendment and asking for proof.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.- NorwegianboyEE
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From where did you gather that i'm so strongly townreading Hectic?In post 1569, Hopkirk wrote:If it's laughably bad then perhaps substantiating why you being scum with someone you've townread the whole game is laughable instead of exercising your fifth amendment and asking for proof.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Hopkirk is lying and faking Norwee, he's going to unvote when you're at L-1 and appoint you counsel to serve in your defense. Hopkirk has way too much respect for due process of law. You can see in his avatar that the lady thought it was so important to get a signed warrant from an impartial magistrate that she interrupted a judge who was offduty attending a dinner party, still wearing different clothes, before she executed a man with a single shot for unlawful consumption of an angelfish."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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K.In post 1569, Hopkirk wrote:I think you'll find we don't actually need any evidence to lynch you.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Is everyone in on the "let's bully Norwee" train this game? Jeez.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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In post 370, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I do agree that Hectic's got his head in the right place.
But he can be a bit crude. I wouldn't be surprised if he spilled his drink on my shirt or something when we're relaxing in our gentleman's club.In post 830, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I don’t think your progression is bad or faked, but i don’t get your scumread on me, is it really as simple as you’ve got townreads on everybody else? I think Hectic is town. PK i’ve mostly seen his towngame and it seems similar to here, nothing that overly pings me as of yet. Though i don’t agree with his Profii read, but i usually don’t agree with him regardless.In post 819, Ankamius wrote:I feel like I should double check some things from NEE's past games but otherwise I think I'm good with meta stuff
Saudade Ofhrz is obvtown according to you, why? Why is Gamma also a strong obvtown? Flopz is only null to you? What are you basing these reads on?In post 959, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Townlean. I like his mood and tone so far, and it seems consistent with the town behavior in the games I've had with him.In post 958, Hopkirk wrote:How do you feel about Hectic?In post 1115, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Can you elaborate on this Hop? Hectic isn't as active lately, but there wasn't that much pinging me so far from him. What exactly are you not a fan of?In post 1100, Hopkirk wrote:Hectic I'm not a fan of.In post 1354, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hectic what are your reads right now?
You kind ofIn post 1363, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you're town Flopz, that's why i'd like to talk more with you. It's true i haven't posted any reads lists in this game. But that's because i've felt like there have been too many players and variables, i tried making reads list in a 18 player game i had earlier and it turned into a fine mess because i usually hurry them, and when there are many slots to balance around you can make mistakes which are seen as scummy because you have faulty "progression" or whatever. So this time i wanted to just go around general scum and townreads until the player list of the game has narrowed down a bit. But if you want some direct reads i've got on my mind i can say them now. I obviously think Dunn's slot is bad. Curious about Gamma, suspicious of Ank. Don't like Pop's sheep vote. Hopkirk is towny, PK i've gotten suspicious of lately, though i initially intercepted the wagon on him as weird. Profii's play this game i don't like a whole lot, but seems like town due to reasons i said earlier. Hectic's tone is town. Ofrzh redeemed the slot he replaced a little. George newbtown tone, Elements is too twitchy to be scum.explicitlysay you townread him quite a few times, defend him from me, never ask him AI questions, I don't see you trying to sort him at all, your flip on him hasn't been explained yet as far as i remember, and you ask about 3/4 fluff questions that I didn't quote to him that I can see scum asking a partner to look like they're interacting when they're not.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened. - Hopkirk
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